This is mostly fte list writing by me and a few list-related e-mails by me from 1994 and 1995. It is the writing saved by me in folder fte. I also have a later file fte-sort that I still have to sort, but that is smaller. But though the first entry below is from August 1994, some entries below are from earlier than August 1994. Also note that the fte list is no longer maintained at yoyo but I think at majordomo@smoe.org , and I am not now on the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message fte:1 - Read Delivery-date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:03:06 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Wed Aug 10 23:01:17 1994" Send-date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 16:00:59 UTC-0700 From: To: Message-ID: <199408110600.QAA06886@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Subject: Welcome to list 'fumbling-towards-ecstasy' [[ NOTE THIS! This document is several months old, I have not had time to keep it up-to-date for a while - I will attempt a major update in the near future. Note especially the the digest mode is _non_ functioning at the moment :-( ]] Welcome to Fumbling-Towards-Ecstasy! 1. What is this? ---------------- This mailing list is about Canadian singer/songwriter (oh, ok, and musical Goddess, that should keep the ectofolks happy :) Sarah McLachlan. The address to send list messages to is fumbling-towards-ecstasy@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, or fte@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, for those of you who couldnt be bothered typing all that. This is an unmoderated list, but it would be nice if posts were relevant to fans of Sarah McLachlan - for a conversational free- for-all on all sorts of topics, musical and otherwise, I recom- mend ecto (see the section below on 'Additional Mailing Lists') * This mailing list is maintained by an automatic listserver - you can * subscribe by mailing 'listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au', with the body of * either * * SUB fumbling-towards-ecstasy Your Name * (for the reflected list, where individual mail is sent as it arrives) * or * SUB fte-digest Your Name * (for the digested version, which should be sent out each day or so) * You can subscribe or unsubscribe manually by mailing * fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au. , but this will have to wait for * a human to intervene, so automatically doing it is quicker and easier. * * You can unsubscribe by sending mail to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, * with the contents either * SIGNOFF fumbling-towards-ecstasy * or * SIGNOFF fte-digest * depending on which list you are on. Once again, if you have trouble, you can mail fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au to get a human to intervene. But the human is amazingly busy, so dont expect a fast turnaround. :-( Dont send your (un)subscribe requests to the fte@yoyo address, it will just annoy everyone else on the list. To switch from reflected to digest version, or vice-versa, send a message unsubscribing from one, then subscribing to the other. The list is named for Sarah's most recent album, 'Fumbling Towards Ecstasy' (see Upcoming Releases, below.) Once again, I _encourage_ people to use the automated system, rather than the manual one. I (Anthony) am only human, and a very busy one at that, so the list request mail will only be checked when I have time. 2. Is there a discography available? ----------------------------------- Yes, in the uwp archives (see Appendix A., below). This was written by Klaus Kluge. > Version 2.2a of the discography was released 18th May 1994: > Just a quick note to let you know that I've just released revision > 2.2a of my discography. It should show up on the newsgroup and in > the archive any day now. Here's the info on how to find it: > > ============================================================================= > ===== Availability > > Major updates of this document are available through the following > sources: > > - newsgroup rec.music.info > - FTP ftp.uwp.edu > /pub/music/artists/m/mclachlan.sarah/discog > > The most recent version (also with minor updates) can be requested by > email: > > - email discog@inphobos.wupper.de > Subject: REQUEST Sarah McLachlan 3. What other sources of information are available? --------------------------------------------------- Sarah's music label, Nettwerk, have an email address, nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca. You can send them email and ask to be put on their mailing list for announcements about various Nettwerk artists, although the Sarah bits will probably be extracted and posted here. 4. Tours, &c. ------------- A partial list of tour dates is appended to this document. This has been compiled from information from Nettwerk, and also from madhouse94@aol.com and other posters. I cant verify the accuracy or otherwise of any of this information, sorry. 5. Upcoming Releases. --------------------- Fumbling Towards Ecstasy was released last year in Canada, and has already gone platinum. It was released in the US in February, and has also been released in Japan and other countries. Singles from FTE should include 'Possesion' and 'Hold On'. 6. Mail (paper type) -------------------- The address of Sarah's record label is: Nettwerk Productions Box 330- 1755 Robson St. Vancouver, BC, CANADA, V6G 3B7 7. Other mailing lists where Sarah is discussed. ------------------------------------------------ Sarah crops up as a subject on ecto (ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu), a mailing list which is in theory about Happy Rhodes, but in practice about just about everything. :-) (subscribe requests should go to ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu, and specify whether you wish to receive the digest mode or the individual articles) Sarah also crops up occasionally on really-deep-thoughts, the Tori Amos mailing list. Subscriptions for really-deep-thoughts should be sent to rdt-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu. This list also has both digest and normal modes, specify which you wish to receive in your mail. Nettwerk also run a mailing list: * How do you subscribe? Send e-mail to: Nettlist-Request@Nettwerk.wimsey.com Place the word "SUBSCRIBE" in the message body. * How do you unsubscribe? (Why? Don't you like it here?) Send e-mail to: Nettlist-Request@Nettwerk.wimsey.com Place the word "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the message body. * How do I get involved? How do I send a message? Send e-mail to: Nettlist@Nettwerk.wimsey.com 8. Biography? Other stuff? -------------------------- Available from the Nettwerk Archives (see below) Appendices ---------- A. Archives ----------- cs.uwp.edu, directory mclachlan.sarah, has a small amount of material, including a discography, a few lyrics, and a couple of images. More needed. anyone out there got access to a scanner and wants to do the world a favour? (The back of the lyrics sheet for FTE would make a wonderful screen background :) Mailing list archives may be retrieved by sending commands to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, with one or more of the following commands in the _body_ (not the Subject: line) of the mail. INDEX fumbling-towards-ecstasy this will get an index of the files available, they are in the form logYYMM, where YY is the year, MM the month. GET fumbling-towards-ecstasy file retrieve from the archive, listed with INDEX HELP general help on the listserver's operation. In the future, I'll put the month-by-month archives on cs.uwp.edu. Nettwerk have an area on ftp.uwp.edu as well, ftp to ftp.uwp.edu, cd nettwerk, and have a look around. These are files from the nettwerk BBS. B. Tour schedule (as at start of June 94) ---------------------------------------- This is from Lane (nettwerk@mindlink.on.ca) and madhouse94@aol.com. As of writing, I believe its correct, but I cant guarantee anything. (note that the dates are in strange american backwards format of month/day :-) Date Where ---- ----- 5/28 Portland, OR 6/24 New York, NY 7/1 St. John's, NF 7/5 Halifax 7/8 Burlington, VT 7/9 NY, NY 7/10 Asbury Park, NJ 7/12 New Haven, CT 7/14 Pittsburgh, PA 7/15 Baltimore, MD 7/16 Philadelphia, PA 7/18 Cincinnati, Oh 7/20 Nashville, TN 7/21 Kansas City 7/23 Colorado 7/24 Vancouver 7/28 Elora, ONT 8/6 Newport, RI 8/18 Detroit 8/19 Toronto also to be scheduled at the end of may: sacramento, los angeles, san francisco, portland, and seattle. there are more dates to be announced. -- anthony baxter @ /\/\|| |= Sarah McLachlan mailing =| australian artificial email: anthony@aaii.oz.au |= list: mail listserv@ =| intelligence institute phone: +613 663 7922 |= yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au. =| level 6, 171 latrobe st Practice random kindness and senseless acts of sarcasm| melbourne aust. 3000 Message fte:2 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 15:21:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Ford H Cotton Iii In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:2 Subject: Re: Hello! Hi Ford; you wrote: >Just thought I'd e-mail you to see how you are doing! >I never replied to any of your messages while you were on >fte, because over the summer I had very little time to check >my e-mail, and so rushed through a lot of them, especially >if they were pretty long (like some of yours happened to >be ... not criticizing, just stating a fact, mind you!). Yeah, a lot of them were long, although sometimes I send very short and obscure riddle type stuff. But people then often go "what?" so now I try to put stuff in more context. When I rejoin FTE I probably shouldn't have time for many more long ones. >Now that I have a bit more time, I have finished reviewing >my summer e-mail, and found a lot of your messages to be >full of great stuff. You definitely have a unique way of >seeing things. Through your poetry, you truly convey >thoughts that cannot be done otherwise. Thanks a lot. I still wouldn't call it poetry, more like "poetic fragments". Eventually I'll get around to actually building full poems. But I guess some of the short fragments are short full poems, but without much structure or proper meter. However I have learned not to try and put too much in, as I did in a really weird one in mid-June of 1993 (which I sent to my supervisor and others in a buzzed state around 4 or 5 a.m.). >Since I'm now a 1st year graduate student at U of M in >Electrical Engineering, specifically Signal Processing, >my brain's left half (or so it is postulated ... or is >it a fact?) I'm not so sure about that, I think that one side dominates over the other for each type of activity but some studies show that if one side is damaged then the other can learn to compensate. >can pick up a lot of what you are saying. >BTW, I'm into applications of computers, MIDI and other >technology in music and art in general. In a few weeks, >I will be part of a group that will look into the >problem of computer transcription of music. I am truly >excited that I am finally getting into a group like >this, and I hope to do much, much more in the field of >computer music in the years to come. The field has >existed for only a few decades, and so there is a vast >amount of work to still be done. Great, it is always good to get into a field that is new and growing. It is even better if you can find a hole in that field or a completely new branch of that field, or combination of the field with another one, so that you don't have to wade through too many papers. I got (and am still a bit) disillusioned with my Ph.D. area (acoustic scattering) since so much has been done since the wars and before, so there are oodles of papers and few big breakthroughs left. Thus after I finish (or get booted out) I will probably try to lean towards more environmental geophysics or space/solar physics or core geophysics, or, since I also have interests in music and other art, try to package my talents for a job in that area that might allow me to remain more of a night person. But probably I will have to toil for a while for a corporation (maybe oil related) until I can firm up some longer term plans. It might help to see if various real instruments have a fractal response or whether the treble response varies with the bass notes (like the treble frequency wobbling with the frequency of the wobble related to the bass notes). By doing this you could be able to make computer generated music (and drum machines) sound more natural. I think it is related to homomorphic deconvolution and the cepstrum although maybe in a slightly different form. (And of course I linked that to dolphin communication, information transfer/redundancy, or thought I did, back in late August on alt.animals.dolphins.) Also I think that the concept of natural behaviour of an instrument can be extended to a system, or band, so that might give good rules for EQ adjustment. I think many techs start with the drums and bass, then add the other instruments and voice. I tend to make the instruments fit the voice, and modify the separate instrument EQs to separate the instruments and bring out the voice, so the voice is a strong tree trunk and the instruments are the supporting cast. But I guess if it is a bad voice or instrumental another instrument (maybe lead guitar) is the focus. Also on my home stereo I often put a sinc function type (wavy but tapered) EQ on, and think maybe it simulates some of that treble wobble relationship. But it is probably just my speakers, which may need more bass boost, and their placement. >After I get my >Ph.D., I will probably end up being a professor, since >I love teaching (and learning in general). >How about you? I love lifelong learning, and I love one on one teaching and helping of others but am still a bit intimidated with regards to teaching a full class. Also I wouldn't want to be stuck teaching the same stuff for too long. But I was (am?) a compulsive helper (in the department and on some net groups) so with a bit of practice could probably be a good teacher. My work as open mic host (and sound tech) has given me a bit more confidence in front of an audience, and I have given two conference presentations (the last was in May91 though) and a few dept seminars, plus filled in for my supervisor for one or two classes. I didn't like that much since they were his notes and I wasn't familiar with them; if they had been notes I prepared I would be more confident Anyway, I might be a teacher, but am more interested in research, and want to be involved in a few different areas, and eventually be more of an idea generator who can work with a team of others. But if all else fails I guess I could try my hand at being a starving writher. >I have written some poetry myself, but none of it comes >to mind right now ... when I think of it, I'll send it >to you to see what you think. Sound OK? Sure, fine. Some people also post to rec.arts.poems and ask for constructive criticism. Do you compose to music? Sometimes when I'm a little buzzed I will try making up lyrics in real time to a good beat; most of it turns out pretty bad but this can serve as a way to break a writers block and the best of it can be the seed for a good poem. >Take care! Hope to see you on fte again! Yeah, I'll rejoin after my next committee meeting/progress report, probably a little after the full moon but well before Hallowe'en :-). There is still a small chance I might be extra creative again then (end of October), if it comes in a set of three this time (early July, late Aug/early Sept and late October). But that hasn't happened before in the last three years so I doubt it. July wasn't very connected so the next one I would count as my ninth poetic mood change (so far four outgoing/creative/pre-new-moon and four "Dark Night of the Soul" inward/twisted pre-full-moon psychic tests). But I don't want to go too poetic for my committee meeting so will probably avoid late nights around then and make sure it is scheduled by Oct. 21, and also since March, I abstain alcohol from 1--8 days before full moon and taper on either side. Also if I do go creative again as in early September I will abstain from alcohol during the creative period and that should eliminate the mild low energy post-new-moon delusional tail that such as that I had a few days before I quit FTE. It will also help to get at least four hours sleep per day and get up within an hour of the same time each day. So next time you should still see some playful poetry but less post-3-a.m. bizarre stuff and talk of censorship. Anyway, this is long as usual, I must get to work, will talk to you again soon and see you on FTE. I would like to see FTE move more towards the way ecto is run, in that on ecto people all have in common the fact that they like Happy Rhodes, but they all feel free to discuss their other interests, other favourite bands and much more. But then, the list is bigger and older than FTE. I went to hear UHF (Shari Ulrich, Bill Henderson and Roy Forbes) on Saturday, they were amazing as usual. Bill is Camille's dad, and was lead singer for Chilliwack. Tonight I am going to hear my good friend, musical goddess and good hugger Tammy Fassaert, and maybe the last bit of Milla in a free concert after. On Wed/Thurs Stephen Fearing is playing (Sarah did harmony vocals on one track on his latest recording, the Assassin's Apprentice, and Ash and Dave played on some tracks, so some of them may be out if they are in town). But I'll probably give in a miss since I have yoga Thursday and after tonight will have been out four nights in a row, and tomorrow's pool tourney at the grad centre will make five. Still I'm tempted to go Wed., if I get a lot of work done before then. Hey, I recently noted that sarah is haras backwards so I hope that that lawsuit guy has stopped haras-sing Sarah, and, of course, Sarah's music is working towards stopping all harassment, including of earth and animals and trees.... (I'll have to edit that into a nicer form, possibly poetic [emo-try in potion] some other time, and get some food in me for now) David Dalton -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:3 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 14:34:17 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HI8YFOV1DQ9KMIO4@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:3 Subject: Re:nailed for possession Hi Joe; >dalton@geop.> But I just wanted to recommend a good book on shamanic and >dalton@geop.> other forms of possession. It >That sounds interesting. I will have to get that book sometime when I go to >the library. What does it say about divine spirit lovers? That sounds kinda >kinky to have a ghost mess with ya. :) I would write more but I need to go >to bed. Night! The book does a sociologiocal and cultural overview and comparison of many different cultures, including Somali sar, Ethiopian zar, Christian incubi and sucubi, Italian tarantism, and a few more, but they don't talk about the sexual details. They do present a Haitian "marriage certificate" for marriage with a spirit. The book says it happens to men but more often to women since they are more downtrodden. The possession is marked by an initial traumatic experience, for the Italians described as a "kiss of the spider god" and then gradually the afflicted person comes to term with it, often joining a cult and, when possessed, ordering their spouse to pay for the initiation/healing ceremonies and make other demands that would be unacceptable in the normal culture. In some cases it says the spirits can be spirits of dead people (ghosts). In one it said that when a possessed shaman "lay" with a ghost he begat several spirit children. But often the spirit is a spirit of place, or a larger one of the sea or planet, and could ber viewed as a sensitivity or resonance instead of a possession. The sexual effects may be related to the awakening of kundalini, in that the base chakra (perineum area) and sexual chakra (next up) are the first to awaken, often with heat or other sensations. And by visualizing the planetary or other resonance as an extension of natural forces within ourselves, and viewing that resonance as (if you like) a goddess or two or three, you can connect with it. Then you can view it as love with a divine yet immanent "spirit" if you like, and direct your sexual energies towards it and perhaps be rewarded with some fire/water. But I would prefer to just try to sense and connect with this resonance in women, and if I do, am attracted, and if it goes further will still be connected with and inspired by the larger resonance when loving that woman or women. If there is no spark, I am not attracted, even if the woman is "attractive", except perhaps in the short term. But that may be a load of bullshit as Sarah says. Must run, feel free to e-mail me again, I haven't finished the book yet. David Message fte:4 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:53:21 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: The Musils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:4 Subject: Re: Good enough for me Hi Gina; you wrote: >Your musical choices are very unique and truely your own. I like that. Well, I have celtic roots in Newfoundland, and like a lot of groups from there plus many Vancouver area singer/songwriters (including Sarah and Mae Moore and Colleen Eccleston...) and other Canadian and international acts. So my CD collection is a smorgasbord of celtic, singer/songwriters, pop/rock, some classical, country, jazz, international, but very little new hard rock, some old lps though. >What is your PhD in? I have a very close friend who is working on his >dissertation in History at Vanderbilt and he must be the smartest person >I know. My Ph.D. is in geophysics, specifically computer modelling of acoustic scattering by different shapes; it can related to seismic prospecting, and involves a lot of math and computer work but little practical instrument or field work. But I have wide interests as well, in the environment, global structure, solar-terrestrial relations, the sea, music, Internet, etc. I think that is what makes you smart, having both broad interests and some specialize skills. I don't want to get too specialized so will have to plan my next move carefully (actually I will probably just fall into something). There is still a chance I won't get my Ph.D. (I am nearing the end of my first extension and am bored) but I always have my M.Sc. and computer and some writing skill to fall back on. I still would like to return to Newfoundland some day (or even now, for a while, and am supposed to for two years under terms of a grant, if a job is available in my field, else I owe them C$30000, although the pay would be less there) but would also like to see more of this world and see what I can do to help improve it. David Message fte:5 - Read Delivery-date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:41:19 UTC-0800 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Wed Mar 16 04:38:55 1994" Send-date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 4:09:01 UTC-0800 From: To: Reply-To: Message-ID: <9403160409.A0354wk@nettwerk.wimsey.com> Subject: WELCOME TO THE NETTLIST >Organization: Nettwerk Productions >X-Mailer: TBBS/PIMP v2.52 From: sysop@nettwerk.wimsey.com Organization: Nettwerk Productions Subject: WELCOME TO THE NETTLIST Welcome to the Nettwerk Mailing List The Nettwerk Mailing list was set up to discuss Nettwerk artists, bands and anything else we feel like. Let the topic lead you. Who is Nettwerk? Well, it's a bunch of us. And a whole lot of you. Any questions? There has been confusion over how the mailing list works, so heres the FAQ. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Nettwerk Connection FAQ File - "Connect to an Attitude, not a Problem." =========================================================================== Nettwerk BBS ------------ The Nettwerk BBS offers exciting discussion groups and cool file libraries filled with cover art, discographies, sound samples and more. Also, the Home Shopping Nettwerk allows you to browse our catalog and place mail orders on your MasterCard or VISA. We have a special 1-800 line for access to the Home Shopping Nettwerk. However the 1-800 line restricts access to the other features of the BBS. Sorry :-( Occassionally we have special Chat events. These allow BBS callers to interact live with a Nettwerk artist or band. Oh, don't forget the monthly contests. The Nettwerk BBS runs TBBS & PIMP software and is based in Vancouver, BC. We are presently at 7 phone lines. And we are always looking for a reason to add more. The Nettwerk BBS: (604) 731-7007 Mail Order Access: 1-800-668-1321 The BBS also has Internet access... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nettwerk Newsletter ------------------- The Nettwerk Internet Newsletter is sent out once every week or so. The Newsletter will keep you informed of the lastest Nettwerk News. Such as concert dates, special appearances, release dates and just interesting stuff. If you would like to be on the mailing list for the newsletter just send mail and ask. And tell us who you listen to. Or a joke. Or something. You see, a real person will read your mail. Not some silly computer. Nettwerk Internet Newsletter: Nettwerk@Mindlink.BC.CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nettwerk Mailing List --------------------- I have no idea why they call these mailing lists! It confuses the hell out of people. Basically this is a discussion group that makes use of your e-mail. You send a message and subscribe. Then when you or anyone else sends a message to the mailing list we all get it. And then we argue. No, thats not true. We are a nice bunch, we talk about Nettwerk artists and bands and anything else we want to. * How does it work? In the middle of the night the computer elves go out and collect all the mail sent to the list and then send it back out to everyone. So you can expect to see a nice bunch a messages every morning. * How do you subscribe? Send e-mail to: Nettlist-Request@Nettwerk.wimsey.com Place the word "SUBSCRIBE" in the message body. * How do you unsubscribe? (Why? Don't you like it here?) Send e-mail to: Nettlist-Request@Nettwerk.wimsey.com Place the word "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the message body. * How do I get involved? How do I send a message? Send e-mail to: Nettlist@Nettwerk.wimsey.com ***Please note!! When you receive mailing list messages they will be marked "FROM:" the original sender. DO NOT reply to the message as it will only be sent to that person. Just one person! That's no good! Good e-mail systems will let you reply to the "REPLY TO:" which is the nettlist address. ALL NETTLIST MESSAGES SHOULD BE SENT TO NETTLIST@NETTWERK.WIMSEY.COM I'm very sorry I had to yell. But it is very important. Thanks for listening. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nettwerk FTP by e-mail ---------------------- FTP is File Transfer Protocol. Which means you can get our cool BBS files by using your Internet e-mail account. It can be a little difficult so pay close attention. * How do I get a file list? Send e-mail to: FTPMail@Nettwerk.wimsey.com Place the words "GET NETTDIR.TXT" in the message body. You will be sent a message back that contains the list of all our files. So I found a file I want. How do I get it? Send e-mail to: FTPMail@Nettwerk.wimsey.com Place the words "GET FILENAME" in the message body. FILENAME being, of course, the name of the file you want. Now here is the tough part. If you request a file that is not text, like a EXE, ZIP, or SIT or something. The system will send you the file UUENCODED. UUENCODE is a method of sending computer files by e-mail. You will have to find a UUDECODE program for your computer. This will decode the message into the original file. Ask your friendly neighbourhood network guy or sysop for help. * Can I get more than one file at a time? Nope. Sorry. Not a chance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * What if nothing I try works? Send me e-mail at SYSOP@Nettwerk.wimsey.com and I'll do my best to help you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So that's it. All the Nettwerk computer stuff you every wanted to know. Have a nice day, Jay Sysop Message fte:6 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 15:52:28 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Amy Scarfone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:6 Subject: Re: f-lame-D Thanks Amy, it was just a brief downer, not caused by the bastards (actually that word should be reclaimed too, maybe ---> tar D bass players (related to Tardis).) but by my own unplugging of a crack about Auschwitz and the like. But a new muse sustained me through the night, so I will post another long post, with no artificial sweetener, which can cause the wrong sort of headaches (ones not responsive to touch therapy). David Message fte:7 - Read Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 0:05:32 UTC-0800 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Fri Jan 20 00:04:08 1995" Send-date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 3:04:05 UTC-0800 From: To: Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:7 Subject: Welcome to ecto-digest -- Welcome to the ecto-digest mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send the following command in email to "ecto-digest-request@ns2.rutgers.edu": unsubscribe Or you can send mail to "Majordomo@ns2.rutgers.edu" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe ecto-digest David Dalton Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: Hi, Welcome to Ecto! Ecto is the Happy Rhodes mailing list. With over 300 members, it's a fairly busy place. While ecto developed as a forum in which to discuss Happy and her music, it has grown into a very special home base for her fans. Topics on any subject of interest to Ectophiles are welcome. We talk about other artists besides Happy, and non-music topics seen on ecto range from movies to politics to just about everything in between. The list is available in both loose mail and digest format. You have subscribed to the digest format. 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Write him at: dbx@hebron.connected.com footah! --+ greg bossert rutgers university network services +-- --+ your humble Ecto moderator +-- --+ +-- --+ Bossert@noc.rutgers.edu +-- --+ http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~bossert +-- --+ PGP Footprint: 96 6D DC 1D 77 F8 73 68 C9 F6 8B 08 2C 4A 39 42 +-- --+ +-- --+ i have never been afraid to change -- Happy +-- --+ the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes +-- Message fte:8 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 13:36:57 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9406151700.AA00846@president.unc.edu> Message-ID: fte:8 Subject: Re: SM religion Nash wrote: > >What is Sarah Mclachan's religious background? Since she is from Nova Scotia, she probably had some Christian related education or at least environment, but I don't know about her family or her private beliefs. >Besides the *really* obvious implications of naming a song 'Mary' Mary can also mean marijuana, mother, and other things. >that same >song seems to fit-- in various ways-- what I have always felt is the >essense of Christianity (specifically in this case, Catholicism). If we take >the song to be a modern rendering of the state of Xtian ideals, I think it >makes alot of sense. Take, for example, the very first line: > 'Mary walks down to the waters edge an there she hangs her > head to find herself faded, a shadow of what she once was.' >If we think of Mary as a symbol (as opposed to a person) then we might easily >think of the song as a discussion of the present, and perhaps deflated, state >of Xtian religious values. Mary could also be Mother Earth, faded at the polluted waters edge. Also it refers to a reflection, in more ways than one. > >About half of the lines seem to be pretty blatant in their motive, which is >to all appearances, Xtian in nature. Ex: It depends on the listener. An infinite number of interpretations are possible, given enough time and enough listeners. > > 'Take her hand she will lead you through the fire, give you back > hope and hope that you don't take too much respecting what is > left [...]' Reconnect with the earth, rebirth, environmental management,... >I'm not sure that I am fond of this interp of the song Then make up some more. Why stick with just one? Any poem has many facets, that can make each [hr]ea[rd]ing fresh. > >Anyhoo...this bears more thought, discussion, listening, etc... I am >wondering, however, about S. McL's religious training Hey, that sounds like she is a dog or something, instead of a rever(s)ed ssedog. Her "upbringing" doesn't matter, what matters is her inner upwelling of spirituality, which is private but is echoed her songs. And I thought this list was a branch religion! (what t[h]ree? :-) >so that I can form a >context that accounts for the author of the song. all weigh fael sLlabelLs (always leave those labels, + mmore) DavidRD (just playing, knot hi) -- David Dalton ------------------------------ ------ Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:9 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 3:07:15 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:9 Subject: musical p-reefer-eances? Hi, fie, fte. With all the discussion on preferences, religious, sexual and otherwise, I expect to see speculation on SM's diet, shampoo, and past lives any day now. How about we get back to some musical discussion, or discussion of how the music affects you? What resonances does the music awaken within you, either spiritual or sexual or other or (most likely) a combination? But for now here is some late night procrastination frivolity: 1. Anybody have some good acronyms for "fumbling towards ecstasy"? Here are some rough basts comet is drawn by fat slugs a flat subcomet sings wyrd [or subcomet tails fang wyrds] cleft by a moist sung (s)ward [or cleft bay, moist sung wards] sun facet draws misty glob cuts gym, wrests fond labia [or frond wets labia(s)] Can anybody get a good three word one? (3-ward 1) 2. Well, that certainly wasn't on music either. So has the band been doing any new songs (not yet recorded) on the tour and if so what are they like? Can they (still) cut loose a bit more live than on frozen plastic? [It would be great to be able to program some pseudorandom variability into a CD.] 3. Is the keyboard player using an old fashioned organ with that circular whirling speaker to get the "orbitting sound" effect, like people in the 60s such as Del Shannon's player used to? When I heard them at the PNE in August91 the keyboard player was using one of these gadgets, I think, although it might have just been an old fashioned Hammond organ. I think the gadget I have in mind is called a Leslie or maybe a type of Wurlitzer? Like good amps and drummers, it is hard to simulate digitally, although I have some fuzzy chaotic loopy nested th-oughts on how to do this :-) but not the engineering hardware skills. [I bet the reciprocity principle comes into it --- the whirling speaker and stationary ear is like a stationary speaker and a dancing ear.] 4. Does Sarah have time to write while on tour, or at least jot down good ideas? Or is a brake planned for the three r's of writhing, rechording and rela(x,ps)ing before the European and southern hemisphere tours? 5. I know we went through this before, but who does Sarah cite as major musical influences, from the past and current? And what do the band members listen to on the road? Oh well, enough play, I'd better get back to [w,s]hirr-[k,K], especially if I want to catch my friends Tammy Fassaert and Jenny Allen and Sylvi and others at the Railway tomorrow (oops, today) night. And with some luck Colleen Eccleston might come sing backup with Jenny, although she probably won't since her new baby may not be old enough for a sitter yet. [Colleen is a very good songwriter and has a dancing voice, watch for her new album in the next year, I hope.] DavidD -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:10 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 21:25:58 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HE3DKRTI7C90TDVK@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:10 Subject: acronyms, frondling & plaid passion (was Re: Response to questions and a few of my own) SIDuct Tape (Meredith) wrote: M: David suggested: M: M: D: How about we get back to some musical discussion, or M: D: discussion of how the music affects you? M: M: Amen to that! M: M: D: What resonances does the music awaken within you, either M: D: spiritual or sexual or other or (most likely) a combination? M: M: Hm, that's an interesting one. There's certainly something about her music M: which strikes at the very core of my consciousness and resonates there, but M: I haven't quite figured out what it is yet. I'm happy to continue this M: search for a long time, since it requires repeated listening and exploring. M: It could be the lyrics and the way in which they're sung... but there's M: something more than that. I'll let you know when/if I ever get that cleared M: up. :) Yeah, me too. My responses to any music vary depending on my mood and energy level and time of the day and mmore; plus it must change over the years, as I change. Live performance generally affects me more, or at least will pave to way for later good emotional experiences while listening to the CD at 3 or 4 a.m., or maybe when pumping my energy (i.e., reconnecting) prior to yoga class. M: M: D: 1. Anybody have some good acronyms for "fumbling towards ecstasy"? M: M: Don't you mean anagrams? Yes, of course. I guess I was typing at warp speed at 2 a.m. and my brain went from "fumbling towards ecstasy" through "fte, a-word" to acronym, instead of anagram. M: M: D: sun facet draws misty glob M: M: :) I could make up some REALLY confusing bumper stickers with that one. M: M: D: cuts gym, wrests fond labia [or frond wets labia(s)] M: M: Considering the concurrent discussions going on around here, I'm not touching M: *that* one with a 43 1/2 foot pole! I didn't see the tree mention before I posted it (frond). And you don't have to feel sexual towards a tree to hug it. But you can resonate sexually with the tree, on a different time scale, that's all. Looking at all those twisted or multiple or bulbous trunks can lead to wild night images. Sexual energy is base energy and directly related to earth (and tree) energy. Higher up we are more linked to the sky but draw from the base. Also there are many kinds (typo-ed kings for a second) of labia. [Hey, I thing I'd better go get some supper!] I'll still work on a n'ice three word anagram but it will have to wait for an after midnight creative time. [especially since I'm heading to the Yale to help celebrate my Nova Scotian friend Cliff's 37th birthday tonight, serenaded by Smokey Wilson. And last night I was wowed by Tammy Fassaert (album out on a Dutch country label in two weeks) and Jenny Allen (album available from Black Swan and A&B) and the Mudlarks and Sylvi and Nadine Davenport. There are lots of powerful women in Vancouver. Some others to watch for are Colleen Eccleston, Veda Hille (who I didn't like when I heard her because I was in a pissy mood, but who many rave about), Mo Field, Claire deBrett and many more. Maybe Vancouver will do for s(w)inger s(tr)ongwriters (strong women singer sunwriters) what Seattle did for p(l)a(id)ssion.] M: Which reminds me of something I've been wondering about for a while now. What M: do folks do about home administrative details while out on tour? I mean, M: who pays the rent and the Visa bill while Sarah's cris-crossing the continent? M: I'm sure she has somebody to take care of that for her, but what of the guys M: in the road crew? The dude who drives the bitchin' equipment truck? Some of them may share places, some of the young roadies may still live at home, and others could move out when they go on tour and rent short term accomodation when they come back to town. And it is easy to find good cat/plant/apt sitters or subletters in Vancouver. But I donut know, for sure. [donut whirry/wherry] M: D: 5. I know we went through this before, but who does Sarah M: D: cite as major musical influences, from the past and current? M: In the past, definitely Joan Baez, Kate Bush, and Peter Gabriel, to name M: three. I saw a MuchMusic spotlight from a long time ago in which she said M: that at one point she just had to stop listening to Kate Bush entirely, because M: she couldn't think of anything else, and was unable to come up with anything M: of her own. (Gee, I wish I had that problem... if I had a voice like that M: and could play every one of Kate's songs, I wouldn't want to stop, either!) It might be a need to forge/bloom her own identity and avoid getting labelled as a Kate Bush wannabee and consigned to the bins. I like Kate Bush, but Sarah's voice has the added resonance that can turn the spine to jelly :-) so I rarely play Kate Bush recordings. A high voice is not much good without some earth harmonic (lower) vibrato that will make all of you listen. M: M: Currently, I would guess Jane Siberry because she's raved about her in public M: (incidentally, Jane's on the cover of the current issue of MONDO 2000, if M: anyone out there is interested- good interview, better photos), I have two of Jane's recordings but rarely play them, but it could be because I have never heard her live. M: and she M: always mentions Talk Talk and Tom Waits when asked for a list of her Desert M: Island Discs. (along with T, S, FTE), TW's Big Time is on my stereo-proximate [hey, that sounds like twice near] CD rack, although I used to like Rain Dogs better. And maybe with my next rare shopping I'll get a Talk(Talk) or Talk2 recording. I've never heard them, what are they like, where are they from. E-mail me direct if it isn't of interest to the FTElist (not fatalist fetal-est?). Oh well, I'm off to s-upper, and maybe beer and live music, although a night of rest is getting more likely. DDDDDDDDDDDDDRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:11 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 2:23:54 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199406301403.AA22549@iri14.infores.com> Message-ID: fte:11 Subject: Re:Ice Cream - a "Chick Song"? >I was listening to Ice Cream the other day when my boyfriend actually paid >attention to the words, and then scornfully declared that it was a "Chick >Song" What's a chick song? >Is it only because he's not a Sarah-fan, or do most of you guys >think it's silly? No, it is a very tasty song. And I would rather hear a chicory ice cream song than a chick scream. DD -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:12 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 2:47:17 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:12 Subject: obsession The key is not to treat the songs as Sarah singing to you, which would blow anyone away, but to treat them as mantras, that you mentally sing along with. That way you can share in the poet's vision without disturbing it. DD -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:13 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 5:49:12 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:13 Subject: crafty woundless gambits (summary of FanaTEgrams) Well, I played around trying to get anagrams for fte with as few words as possible and trying not to repeat strings (hence no "ing" or "umbl", but I did use "ward") for "fumbling towards ecstasy". Here is the list, including the few I posted before. I'm still not happy with the 3 word ones but (should) have better ways to waste my time. Let me know if you get any more three or even two word anagrams (anna-marys). drafty magnetics, sublows Sandbag, costumer, swiftly! crafty woundless gambits {woundless is in Oxford Concise d} swiftly sandbag customer [swiftly sandbag crust 'ome] croft slid subway magnets iambs glow defunct satyrs [defunct satyrs glow iambs] magnetic locus, bawdy firsts crafty nudes stow gimbals sturdy magnetic bass flow crafty gimbals sound west subcomet tails fang wyrds swift rats scumbled agony mesocrust lifts [flits] bandy wag stigmas cleft by unwords [crafty gambits wound less] crafty nuts dowse gimbals fungoids mat crystal's web [crystal's fungoid bats mew]... :-) bus: crystal woman fidgets submagnets drift cosy laws stomal cardings buy wefts sun ward cleft by moist gas soma wasted by curt flings comet is drawn by fat slugs soft magic tunes slab wyrd cuts gym, frond wets labias [cuts gym, wrests fond labia] focus wild magnets by arts [focus wild arts by magnets] a flat subcomet sings wyrd cleft bay, moist sung wards sun facet draws misty globs I was going to arrange them into some sort of sense but it's dawn late so "eye wound brought her, eh". and here are some starting words that didn't work out: menstrual, minstralery mandorlas, dragonflys, symbolic gynobase, flowery, flowers, stigmatas, symbiont fecundity, scrotums, swords, stigma ----- t fore t (time for tea +) David P.S. The latest album still hasn't hit me fully yet and probably won't until the band catches me live (wire). I really turned on to Sarah's music three years ago at the PNE, although I had previously heard her at the Town Dump and Railway Cluv. If there is any summetry then this year's sunflower concert will mirror my experiences at the 1991 NFLAB folkfest (strengthening roots), and in mid-late August I'll check out some new directions. Lately I've been giving soulace some rest, and working on touch a bit more again, but of course listen to FiTwEy most --- but not too much and with appropriate contrasts. ---------------- time waits, for tunes miles, 2 sleep, / chance d'ike toot aye. (time waits, fortune smiles, to sleep, per chance to hike today or j'zz) enD tell [D d'ellen] dd -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:14 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 1:11:07 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:14 Subject: last anagrams (bundt flaws gyrose mastic) Here's a few final FanaTEgrams. I've been slack lately so I must get back to some math craft for a few days. If I post any more it will be in other forums, and I will stick to music/concerts here. These were inspired by blue rivers and other FLOWers, and by accordion whiz Marion Rose and Lingo sister Janet Russell's seeds of play. (Combine their names to get "moon rear is all sun, jester"). --- magic flowers stand busty sling bawdy crust of mates baud stream, flowing cysts many bard tics, fetus glows sundog bays flaw metric t (or t metric, or CRT time) fast club masters windy G_o focal wings stream B_y stud bundt flaws gyrose mastic or mastic flaws gyrose bundt (MasTic Flaws GyRosE BundT or BundT Flaws GyRosE BundT) magestic flow, sundry bast (MagEstIC FlOw SunDry Bast) ---- A couple of anagrams for SM's name are: hash can call a ram (if Mc can be broken) McAran cash hall (if not, and from Aran islands) I couldn't (but didn't try hard) find any complimentary anagrams for my name (without the middle Raymond) but here are two: da land divot [or anal divot, DD] dildo and vat Next time I feel like lazing at home with scrabble letters I'll try the full three names, which takes longer. Anyway, it is time to sleep, and tomorrow see if there are any gems in my real theSis math craft. Thanks for putting up with the word play, it is a way to unlock creativity. And of course many more anagrams could be generated by computer, but I generate them as a sort of personal rorschach lingo test, and of course I ascribe no hidden intent to the songwriter, except that we share the same uni-verse. DRD -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:15 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 2:59:31 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:15 Subject: related (for/in me) musiclinks Hi, Y'all (as my Louisiana friend Sam would say); All those acronyms (oops, anagrams, unless Dick Feyman had something) I posetd (typosited) came after I had put together a tape (for personal office/computer/bus/energy building/ purposes) of some of my current favourite tracks. Here's some lyrics from that song list, that may be of interest to people who like the same music I do, typed by ear so I guessed at some, and deliberately changed a tiny bit. The theme is sort of flowers and rivers, with some sun and s-ex. 1. Loreena McKennit. Marrakesk Night Market. from The Mask and Mirror. which is overall a mellow but intense album with celtic, spanish and arabian influence, excellent vocals and instrumentals. It is not just a rehash, she findss the old soul and freshens it. [No the on the mirror implies the mask and mirror are one. links to hooded figures in mythology, or the hood of time, or the hood of the sun, or hooded plants or related organs.] clear, strong voice, percussion, violin, etc. "gathered in circles/the lamps light their faces/the crescent moon... the poets of drumming/keep heartbeats suspended... would you like my mask/would you like my mirror/cries the man in the shadowing hood/you can look at yourself/you can look at each other/you can look at the face, the face of your god" [the phase of you are Go(t)... :-)] 2. Ron Hynes. River of No Return. From Cryer's Paradise. co-written with Terry Kelly. country tinged with the sea, great lyrics, poignant voice. The album is a country album with a strong Atlantic tinge, emotional, heartfelt/sung lyrics. Ron is best known for his song "Sonny's Dream" which he didn't copyright so everyone did it. He also has some more intense songs that may not have fit the country format, but may be on a later album. Also check out the movie "Secret Nation", he is in the movie and has some good music on the soundtrack. "water risin' and rain full force/riverboat on a reckless course/ all the gamblers goin' for broke/in the steam and the sweat and the smoke/what have they all got to lose/only these gamblers blues/only these gamblers who never learn/down the river of no return... /rushing wind like a runaway train/subway screaming a wild refrain/lonely child on a city street/weary face at our window sit/it's been waiting there for so long/ waiting for love to come home/but love's not a going concern/ down the river of no return/ever wonder whose hand is on the wheel/ever wonder who negotiates these deals/ever ask yourself why/ever ask yourself/I had a friend who had all he desired/ I had a lover with eyes on fire!/a love that was pure from the start/except for the restless heart..../to a place where love's fire won't burn/down the river of no return... 3. Tom Waits Tango Till They're Sore: this track from Rain Dogs which is more smoother than Big Time but not as raw, and more upbeat than his more recent releases. has gravelly voice, good rhythm, nice piano, horns, lyrics: "....they take apart their nightmares and they leave them by the door/let me fall out of the window with confetti in my hair/deal out Jacks or better on a blanket by the sta(i)rs/I tell you all my secrets but I lie about my past/ and send me off to bed for everymore.../make sure they play my theme song/I guess daisies will have to do..." 4. Art Bergmann. The Hospital Song from Sexual Roulette. tough edge pop, good beat, passionate voice. I think this album was on Polygram but he lost the deal when he wouldn't toe the line, but just got a new one with Sony Canada. Raw emotion, power chords, melodic guitar, good lyrics. Play it loud. "yeah I know what I've done/and I know it's wrong/ cause I talked with your mom/we watched you all night long/ I put a pillow under your head/laid down some rags you'd read/ friend's said cards and flowers/said they hoped you got well/ from your hospital bed/to my padded cell/there's not one thing we need/this is heaven and hell.... /maybe later we'll get together, learn how to relax/maybe later we'll get together learn how to relax/maybe later we'll get together and have a relapse.../yeah I watched you sleep/in your tubes and IVs/they kept your face so clean/would it seem too mean/if I pulled out the plug/from your dream machine/ would I be losing you/or would we meet again..." 5. Seamus Creagh. Came the Dawn. Is a CD of incredibly emotional Newfounland influenced Irish fiddling, played and co-produced by Seamus, accompanied by two Newfoundlander, after he had spent five years in Newfoundland. He used to perform with Jacky Daly in the 70s and is now back in Ireland. The set on the tape is a humming set of reels with some nice uplifting twists and spins. This and the PLankerdown CD and Emile's Dream tape and more can be ordered from Pigeon Inlet (709) 754 7324 among other places. 6. Ferron (from Phantom Centre) White Wing MErcy. passionate lyrics and voice, good keyboard, excellent violin, more. This album may be out of print, some songs may be on her recent release, her other songs are very good too. "white wing mercy/I don't want to stay here/white wing mercy/ don't you leave me here.../it was passed among the rest of them/ while playing cards and playing friends/that some of us are crazy/ with their voice that knew who/I tied up all my laces/I covered up my faces/and staring in the mirror/I dared to wonder who/ was it my father with his hunting kit/or was it my mother with her hitting stick/was it my auntie who was always sick/or was it me, that was my biggest fear/I wouldn't look at anybody in the eyes/I was afraid they'd realize/I was a crazy in a kid's disguise/and they wouldn't let me go to summer camp next year... going through my day to day/I felt sure there was another way/ I was wondering the price I paid to belong/I love my father/ as only daughters can/I chose to see him as a monster of a man/ I love my mother/in her frameless cage/but never could I/shape her rage.../now you with your visions/and you with your fancies/ and you with your stories/I couldn't understand/my childhood adored you/and naked before you/I stand as a witness/as timeless as sand/white wing mercy..." 7. Van Morrison. Youth of 1000 summers. from Enlightenment. good keys, soulful lyrics, (commitments)squared "YEAH... yeah.. watch it... /he's the youth of a thou sand summers/he's a youth of a thousand summers/ like a sweet bird of youth/like a sweet bird of youth/in my soul, in my soul, in my soul/in my soul, in my soul, in my soul/and he looks so radiant/ and he shines like the sun/and he looks so radiant/and he lights up the world/...YEAH..love it...all right.../in my soul.../ he's the king of the mountain and the clear crystal fountain/ she is the youth.../and he makes you go skipping and makes you go dancing and gets you in rhythm and gets you in song... like a sweet bird... in my soul..." 8. Bourne and MacLeod. Riverboat Song, from Moonlight Dancers. craggy bluesy voice, great delta bluesy acoustic guitar, powerful lyrics, humming eceltic bagpipes and more. great album, as in their first, Dance and Celebrate. Could be ordered from black swan [604) 734 2828] or a&b [(800) 663 0596] or other places. "rollin' on the river, mama, feels so fine/fetchin' up to Mardis gras, you'll be mine/all the fine ladies/ and the gentlemen two/rolling downstream on the riverboat blue/ Old Tom Sawyer, Mr. Huck Finn/yeah they musta got the fever and aware a' real thin'/slip away a little, dance a bit too/driftin to the delta on the riverboat blue/ and the boys in the band/play on night long/they're a rockin' and a rollin' and floatin' in the song/and if you're high and dry/it won't be long/you'll be rolling with them/in the riverboat song/ Granny's in the wheelhouse/steered by the stars/ in all her many days/she's never been so far..." + wavy pipe solos 9. Tom Waits. Telephone Call From IStanbul. From Big Time. live edge. good horns, guitar, rhythm. passion. "??I was holding down in N'Orleans/broken glass/living in a medicine chest/mediterroManian hotel back...??/that old monkey wrote a page... I got a telephone call from Istanbul/my baby's coming home today/ will you sell me one of those (send me a rose)/shave my head/ get me out of town is what fireball said/never trust a man in a blue trench coat/never drive a car when you're dead/Saturday's the festival/Friday's just a jam, sweetheart/follow me to beulah's on drag queen road..." 10. This set is a set of Emile Benoit's tunes done by the Plankerdown Band. Part of it is also on Emile's Vive the Rose CD. The Plankerdown CD is "The Jig is Up" and it also contains Emile's "Velvet in the Wind" and some Rufus Guinchard tracks, an O'Carolan one, and some Latin and Scandinavian tracks. It is all instrumental although they have added a singer since. Stellar button accordion, fiddle and much more. This could be ordered from Pigeon Inlet (709) 754 7324. 11. Holly Near and Mercedes Sosa from Singer in the Storm. live take of Todavia Cantamos (still they sing). good rhythm, two different power voices, but I don't like that keyboard so I adjusted my EQ a bit. CD is mellow folk, but intense, emotional, voice/piano/etc. could order from Black Swan (604-734-2828) or other places, probably easy to get in California? Spanish lyrics, from a famous poet ?Victor Chavez? "todavia cantamos/todavia pedimos/todavia sonamos/todavia esperamos..." "still we sing/still we ?stdandce?/still we dream/still we hope/..." 12 Van Morrison. Avalon of the HEart. from Enlightenment. "on down by Avalon/Avalon of the heart/gone down by Avalon/ gonna make a brand new start/oh. the holy grail/baby, behind the sun/ oh, the holy grail/down by Avalon/well, I came upon/the enchanted veil/down by the viaducts of my dream..." 13. Sarah McLachlan. Fondling Towards Ecstasy. 14. Relativity. Relativity. This CD combines the talents of Bothy Band ex-s Triona and Michael O/Ni Domnahail and Silly Wizard ex-s John and Phil Cunningham. Mix of trad tunes and some nice modern arrangements. The track on the tape is a lilting Breton influenced set. This could be ordered from Green Linnet (800) 468 6644 15. Tom Waits Rain Dogs from the studio album Rain Dogs. smoother than Big Time, but still upbeat and rhythmic good keys. good percussion... "inside a broken clock/spashing the wine/with all the rain dogs/ taxi, we'd rather walk/huddle a doorway with the rain dogs/for I'm a rain dog too/Oh how we danced and we sprawled? out the night/ for it was all ripe for dreaming/oh how we danced, ?of/with all of the lights/we've always been out of our minds.... how we danced with the Rose of Tralee/her long hair black as a raven/how we danced and you whispered to me/you'll never be going back home...." 16. Van Morrison. queen of the slipstream from Best of, or from Poetic Champions Compose. "you're the queen of the slipstream, with I the tramp/you have crossed many waters to here/you have drank of the fountain of innocence/experienced a long cold winter world/ there's a dream where the contents are visible/where the poetic champions compose/would you breathe not a word of this secrecy/would you still be my special rose/going away, far across the sea/but I'll be back for you/I will tell you everything I know/honey everything is true.../gold and silver have been placed at your feet my love/but I know you chose me instead..." 17. Ferron. The Cart. from Phantom Centre. passion, poetry and building fire. (production could be a little better, in terms of instrumental spacing and instrumental punctuation of the lyrics) "the strap that holds/the cart in rein/has been let loose/ by willing thin (by waering thin)/by biting through/the shift in power/leans to you/and the cart is on a wheel/I've wept with joy(guilt)/for the things I've done/and I've wept as hard/for what I've left undone/for what I've left undone/ for what I couldn't deem mine/for what I thought was yours/ and so I drew the line/ and the cart is on a wheel/and the wheel is on a hill/ I heard someone fall/I saw another one flee?/ I saw an arm dig deep/where there was no reel/where there is no real/and there is no because/though the body be strong/ the spirit is love/and the cart is on the wheel/and the wheel is on a hill/and the hill is shifting sand/and inside these laws we dance/ we feel our lives/and souls to keep/ if we are love/I hope we do not sleep/I hope we stay our ground/ hold fast to the mother/as she turns us round/as the cart is on a wheel/and the wheel is on a hill/and the hill is shifting sand/and these laws inside do dance/cause the cart is on a wheel/ hold fast to the mother/hold fast/...." 18. see #5. this is a set of hornpipes, played with subtlety at a pace slower than the bagpipe bands do it, but with emotional twists, and at a pace suitable for making up words as it goes along, if you like that. 19. Tom Waits. Clap Hands, from Big Time. I like this better than the Rain Dogs version, but the lyrics are harder to hear and I am typing from ear right now. starts with short intense drunken monologue , then "CLAP HAND.../sane, sane, they're all insane/the fireman's blind, the conductor is lame/Cincinnati jacket and a sad luck dame/hang out the window with a bottle full of rain/clap hands/oh, clap hands/ clap hands/clap hand/ as it rolls?/it`s the thunder in the road?/ I ain't never coming back no more/it's a moon in the window/bird on a pole/I can always find a millionaire to shovel all that coal... /clap hands/.../going up to harlem with a pistol in my jeans/ cincinnati jackup and a hard luck dame//hanging out the window with a bottle full of rayyyyyn/???/.../shine, shine, a Roosevelt dime/all the way to Baltimore/running out of time/show her in CHicago, she goin' wind up in the hole/they all went to heaven in a little row boat...." 20. Jenny Allen. Flesh and Bone, from the album "Something to Say" which could be ordered from black swan [604) 734 2828] or a&b [(800) 663 0596], as could the Bourne and MacLeod or Colleen Eccleston or Ferron or Holly Near. clear, warm, emotional voice, personal and environmental lyrics, good jazz folk sound "in this earthly bound situation/I am not alone/I am not afraid/ in this higher mind contemplation/we are not alone/we are not afraid/.. reach out and touch me/I am flesh and bone, I am spirit and soul/and I reach out to touch you/you are flesh and bone, you are spirit and soul/we are flesh and bone, we are spirit and soul/... ... /high on my contemplation/we are not alone/we are not afraid/... 21. Jimmie Dale Gilmore. Santa Fe Thief. From Spinning Around the Sun. country but with good lyrics and honest passion, and a touch of the loon (bird) in his voice. "oh the townhouse warbler lives far apart in a song/ he holds the poor in his memory/he never, he never lets on/he gathers his strength as he gazes at length and a joy/you cannot tell from the song of nothing's been heard from his boy/he's a thief in the night and he's stealing from light you won't know it/he's already found you/ his arms all around you won't show it/maybe one day you'll know more of/you'll know enough to say/look over yonder he's already coming/ look over yonder he's already coming your way.... oh the caretaker's daughter lives near the garden of eden/she knows the name of each flowers/she remembers which let you in/she spills the sky when she looks in your eye/and her jasmine/a symphony heard from a mansion when the wind cuts in between/she's a thief in the night and she's stealing for love.... oh the old engineer stays patient high in his roundhouse/he watches his trains appearing through silent puffs on snow/and his eyes are bright as he watches them nearing the TIME to set the track/with a flick of his wrist he waves to let them go/he's a thief in the night and he's stealing from life..." 22. Emile Benoit's Vive la Rose is an album made by the Newfoundland fiddler a year or so before he died at 79. He was unpredictable, fiery, and his tunes went from hums of contentment to wails of pleasure/pain, usually without warning. His live performances were always better, and I like his Emile's Dream tape too, but this album is good as well, although maybe too many friends got in on the mix (the producer should have featured a different friend, with interplay, on each track, like John Lee does). This could be ordered from Ground Swell. (800) 563 7935 I like some of his older tracks, but they were on a similar tape I did for 1993 summer solstice (which also had Drown to the Rhythm and InTwo The Fire). 23. Christy Moore. Bright Blue Rose. from The Voyage. celtic soul, but mellower, folkier than Van the man. written by Jimmy McCarthy. "/I skimmed across black water/without once submerging/onto the banks of an urban morning/that hungers the first light/much much more/than the mountains ever do/and she like a ghost beside me/goes down with the ease of a dolphin/and emerges unlearned unshamed unharmed/for she is the perfect creature/a natural in every feature/and I am the geek with the alchemist's stone/ for all of you who must discover/for all who seek to understand/for having left the path of others/you find a very special hand/and it is a holy thing/and it a precious time/and it is the only way/forget-me-nots among the snow/it's always been and so it goes/to ponder his death and his life eternally/for all of you.../ / one bright blue rose/outlives all those/two thou sand years/and still it goes/to ponder his death and his life eternally/for all of you..." ------------- And again, watch for a new release by Colleen Eccleston in a while. Of course, I'll probably remind you when it comes out :-) . Probably Pamela Morgan has a new one in the works, too. I'll let you know if Ashley MacIsac impresses (he opens for fumbling to her [fumbles the opening spot?] on July 24). ------------ g'night, 3 a.m. feel like a walk on the triple edge of water and sand and air? (but that's what we are) --- D avid ( de[finite]ley no[ugh]t diva D ) Message fte:16 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 18:47:04 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:16 Subject: 3 more 3 word FanaTegrams + poem challenge I haven't generated any more acronyms myself, as promised, but I attach some from a followup. Hey, I did it again, (acronyms instead of anagrams), guess that means I'll have to get a good poem expansion from the acronym "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy" and also examine my earlier anagrams for traces of mnemnomics (that were discussed on sci.physics and sci.astro recently). For example, Feynman's "NeNa, M'gAl, SiPS Chlorine" seemed to stab me, maybe because gravity is measured in mgals, but there are lots of better ones. Anyway, fill in the blanks, preferably after drinking lots of water, falling asleep with a multidisk CD player with all her disks on random play and then waking up at 4 a.m. to get rid of water, and to get rid of accumulated dream images in the poem (ha): F___________________ T E U O C M W S B A T L R A I D S N S Y G I will wait until I am inspired or heavily procrastinating, or probably just until the pre-sleep minutes. And I don't have a multidisk player. But it might help to do a rough structure sketch before sleep and then fill in the flowery touches in the mid sleep break. Here are those last three anagrams. ------------------------------ paulp@nic.cerf.net (Paul Phillips) wrote PP: dalton@calico.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton) writes: PP: >Anyway, now it is time to get back to work and see if there are PP: >any gems in my real theSis math craft. The word play is a PP: >way to unlock creativity. Of course many more anagrams could PP: >be generated by computer [...] PP: PP: Yah... I have to vote for computers for tasks such as this. PP: PP: satisfy downcast grumble PP: forcible gymnast sawdust PP: PP: and my favorite... PP: PP: declassify strung wombat ------------------- Not bad, but the only one I really like is the first one, and that I didn't find since I wanted to avoid repeats of "umbl" . The last two make for some weird images, though --- perhaps: a heavy gymnast with sandpaper shoes, on the balance beam; and make public a secret Australian musical instrument that raises the digeridoo harmonics to new hypnotic levels, which can induce a "return to the womb" trance. (I'm sure Mickey Hart can hartly wait) Oh well, I'm off to hear the PaperBoys and Young Dubliners at the Town Pump, to warm up for the Vancouver Folk Music Festival with its large contingent of my favourite Newfoundland musicians and the upcoming S.M.&Ashley museum show (in the lea in the lee of the museum). DD P.S. I forget if I posted any weird stuff here on Saturday morning; if so forgive me since I was a bit high and sleep deprived, after doing sound and then drinking at the UBC grad centre pub as usual. But I think I restricted it to some short Jungian word id replies to the math, physics and astro newsgroups, among others. Moral: always sit on stuff written while on high and rewrite it to make sense to your hungover self before firing it off to the masses. Or stay away from the computer and use a trusty pocket notebook of shadows (stuff written pre-dawn) instead. Anybody have some good "alternate lyrics" that might hold water on their own, not just as a parody? or misheard lyrics, which happens more with Tom Waits than Sarah McLachlan? I've still been getting back to Touch more. Will have to think about the techical differences, and uses of space and interplay to see why. Must be just the play cycle, or roots. David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:17 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 16:26:36 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199407140322.XAA05559@nudge.io.org> Message-ID: fte:17 Subject: Re:Sick pups.... Jules wrote: >everything that's on sale at the merchandise table. It's a sad feeling when >you go to the concerts and you find out there's nothing left to buy. Maybe there should be a special "limited edition" item for each concert for people like you. >Who's got the glow in the dark t-shirts? Boy do they ever glow...... Sounds like the t-shirts at the bottom of my laundry basket when I do laundry for the first time in three weeks. Hey it would be nice to have acoustically activated glowing, maybe combined with the thermal (mood ring type) colours. Sonoluminescence, maybe, but I think that is the reverse (laser stimulation of sound). David Message fte:18 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 16:41:32 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:18 Subject: TOUCH'dd I've been listening to Touch a little more again lately and have decided that my now favourite song is Trust, and Ben's Song is second, although I wouldn't listen to it much in the gray of winter. I still like the singles and other songs, but perhaps they have been overplayed or something. The lyrics are good but the mix is aimed at the remote control generation. But with Trust I like the building, pacing and interplay and the mix. There is less of the digital clipping and associated ringing (real or imagined). Her voice is warmer and more confident, not wimped out by the mix, and there are good contrasts. So I guess if I had to pick one song from Touch to last it would be Trust. But that might change next week :-) What are your favourite songs on Touch? I guess from live response it would be Vox but was wondering how the list might differ from the typical live audience. DavidD Message fte:19 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 17:58:11 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9407141516.AA22540@nymailhost> Message-ID: fte:19 Subject: Re:Sarah on Conan last night Joe wrote: >I think they did a pretty decent job with Sarah last night. This time around >she actually got some time afterwards to chat with Conan about her fashion, or >"the lack of it" as she put it. Usually bands on the show just get to play >the last minutes of the show and that's it. The performance itself was needless >to say, great. Sarah's voice did sound a little funny though. Maybe it's from >that dental thing you guys keep talking about. When I saw her at Central Park >and HMW, she sounded excellent as she always did. When you say "funny", do you mean "not up to par" or just "different"? Not all of us want a reproduction of the CD in the concert but to hear the latest interpretation, filtered through the performers latest experiences. I bet the acoustics of her mouth have changed a bit, and the numbness temporarily affects shape control a bit. Or she installed two wireless mics in place of the wisdom teeth :-). Naw, it was probably just another hangover, or the studio air, or maybe she is going through puberty :-). >Did you guys get a good look at Sarah with her silver dress? Only under duress. :-) >She looked extremely edible! Joe, what's your favourite flavour (of ice cream)? Coffee? Rum and Raisin? Grape Nut? Cinnamon apple? Partridgeberry? For once I'm sad that I stopped watching TV 3.4 years ago (I'm obviously now hooked on the [fish] Net instead, but I average only an hour a day on that.) Given that, Bye for now, must get some work done, tomorrow I have to set up for Amanda Hughes, would be doing sound but the folk fest is on, with some top celtic acts. But I'll be doing sound for Colleen Eccleston and her band Rattle in the Dash next Friday early evening (she is nearly my favourite songwriter). And see all you US-PNW/CA-PSW people behind the museum next Sunday. I'll probably wear an old UBC grad centre t-shirt with the killer whale logo. Should be a hot concert, that is near a hot spot (just kidding, I haven't done any geophysical surveys on Kits beach. But they should mic the waves and birds). David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:20 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 18:06:40 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9407141558.AA09376@texas.nynexst.com> Message-ID: fte:20 Subject: Re:barefoot? Dave (not me) wrote: >Debbie wrote: >| I'm not sure, but I could have sworn Sarah was barefoot on Conan last night. >| Anyone who taped it want to check and see? > >Someone did say that she was barefoot. She was also barefoot for a majority >of the NYC Central Park Summerstage Concert. The only time I noticed that >she was *not* barefoot was returning to the stage for the encores (she was >wearing some sandal-like slip on thing). ---------------- Barefoot is always better, in hot weather, as long as there is no danger of shocks or splinters or scorches from hot weather. And it lets you ground or connect with the earth. In yoga and Tai Chi it is better to go barefoot. It may have something to do with the electrical conductivity of the foot. I bet that by spreading the foot the bass coupling is better as well. (I'll ask my reflexologist friend.) And after all, this is the fte-ish list. Trivialities, truvitalities hey, has sarah published any poetry, other than the songs? Not that I have time for it now... DavidD Message fte:21 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 23:07:43 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:21 Subject: PoSSeSS-ion: your space or my time I always get another (for me) subtheme out of Possession, that one facet is about the great divides of space and time, the solar winds, and the embraces of gravity and Time. I'll think about it some more when I work my stereo's way back to FtE, although I want to listen to the less played songs a bit more first. And I am not a fan (they fold too easily). I have never in my 30.4 years said that I am a fan of a band or musician. It sounds too gooey and insincere or bandwagon-y. What's a better word? Musical consumer, product unit :-)? Balance is essential, fanatacism over anything is dangerous. Instead of hounding the musicians, respect their privacy, stop telling Luke to "Force the ewes" (a bass player doesn't need to use force, just rhythm) and keep in mind that they are normal people with a need for privacy. But has anybody written a funny song about the band? What are some of your other favourite bands, or do you all just keep the Sarah discography on repeat in your stereo? To keep this on thread, which bands do you find to contrast with McLachlan's music so as to raise her to a new level, and which bands would you like most to see open for the Sarah McLachlan band, or which very big bands would you like to see her open for? I think I'll be happy with Ashley MacIsaac opening next Sunday, since I have never heard him (missed the Music West show). Would be nice to see them jam but that would spoil the choreography. I didn't hear the Devlins open, that was a cocoon week for me. D,David, procrastinating a'gain, 'twean twin candles lit with the matches hidden behind the t-pot (not the G spot) No, my sister Mary's poetry is much better. But above's a seed, not a jovial flower. de-de-fumbling to ward off ecstasy Hey, is apres tooth numbling instead of fumbling. I'm sure it's not mumbling or bumbling. Time for tea, aura beer, if not grav-id, eh. ... -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:22 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:46:14 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:22 Subject: the goddess within (was Re:) Don Whiting wrote: >>And she wore that damned silver dress-type thing to both Halifax performances. What is damned silver? Are you a werewolf, Don? Maybe it is related to her/the moon. Or it is a body microphone :-) >>Nobody can say she isn't different. (-: Thank god[dess(es)] of your choice. David Message fte:23 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 18:04:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:23 Subject: re: force the ewes (not!) Divad wrote: > stop telling Luke to "Force the ewes" (a bass player > doesn't need to use force, just rhythm) ... Sometimes the rhythm uses the bass player too. David Message fte:24 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 18:35:26 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:24 Subject: Re:PoSSeSS-ion (of your car) Eric Rehder wrote, a while ago, >Hopefully she will never open up for a really big band. Last night when >I saw her it was the 4th largest concert I've ever seen. I tend to like >the small and intimate. Yes, small and sensitive can be nice. A large concert is a quick way to win a lot of fans who will want to get closer (not always desirable), and is a chance to match the headliners' response. In a big concert there is a large amount of crowd energy, and a big sound system just pumping out waves of sound, throbbing into the earth and out along the curves of the earth. :-) But it is probably better to stick to midsize headline gigs instead of large opening gigs, since the crowd at a large concert rarely gets worked up early in the evening for an opening act. And the acoustics of large halls are mostly bad, unless they are outdoors, riot free. I like small friendly venues too, but at a large concert, with the crowd stilled by the music, you can simply close your eyes and be in the smallest and largest of venues (or use binoculars). The only problem is when the crowd is not into the music or has the riot-rough edge or if you are a tiny bit crowdaphobic like me; the last big concert I went to was Dylan/Petty in 1986 and luckily I stayed well away from the Stanley Cup riot. Record temperatures in Vancouver?? DRained. David Message fte:25 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:41:25 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:25 Subject: Bill Henderson, voices, etc (was Re:Camille) Jules wrote: >Sorry I posted before that Camille's dad was a celloist. I heard wrong....He's >from the band "chilliwack." Make that was. Chilliwack broke up years ago. But Bill Henderson is still going strong playing solo occasionally and more frequently with the trio of Ulrich (Shari), Henderson (Bill) and Forbes (Roy). They are three of the most passionate and moving voices and songcrafters in BC, and will release a new recording soon (as UHF), according to Roy, at the folk festival (warming the wet on Sunday). People like them and Sarah and others really move the song and are of the song --- they make the song well up inside you. They are not just laying the song there as a cute object for you to admire, but sending the song out on the wind. I'll reword that later, when I review (give personal impressions of) next Sunday's concert, maybe with some references to my favourite voices at the folk festival (Pamela Morgan, Tammy Fassaert, Roy Forbes, Quartet, Danny Dill, Penny Lang, Ani DeFranco and others). I've never heard Camille Henderson but did once hear Saffron Henderson back up Alan Dobb and Dumela. ---- Anybody in town: come check out Colleen Eccleston and Rattle in the Dash at the UBC grad centre on Friday. She is an amazing songwriter with a dancing voice that spins a jewelled poem of emotion. (But it doesn't turn me to jelly inside like some). With the right producer she could go very far. If there are any problems blame it on the sound tech (me). It is a 6 p.m. concert with two headline sets, some open mic spots and then a session or jam to end, no later than 11. Not far from Wreck Beach trails. David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:26 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 19:58:33 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:26 Subject: Re:Sarah's videos JoAnn wrote: >I got a copy of all of Sarah's videos (from MuchMusic) yesterday in teh mail >(thanks John) & of course, spent the better part of last night & this >morning watching all of them. >I had never seen ANY of them. The only video i have ever seen is the MTV >version of "Possession". I don't think I've seen any of them, since I gave up TV 3 years ago I catch snippets only when in my grad centre pub and they don't have sports on or when visiting friends with teenage children. I bet they are works of art but would rather make up my own "video" for now, thanks. (Just Friday night Paul McKenzie said something to me about The Thunderbirds and I said, "The band?" and he was amazed, but then rattled off a lot about a lot of bands --- if you ever come to Vancouver talk to Paul at the Railway or check out his Scottish punk band The Real McKenzies, which also features my friend Raven Alan MacLeod on pipes, at least once. damn, I'm rambling, time for food) Maybe they will be on display when Sarah has an art opening. (not the mckenzies, the videos, the mckenzies are on display often enough) >I absolutely LOVE the Canadian version of >"Possession"...I love the whole goddess thing she is doing. The goddess is within all women, and around, and she is just better than most at projecting this, at linking the inner and outer, and awakening flames in others. (I'm still glowing from all the powerful voices at the Vancouver Folk Festival). But don't separate the goddess on a pedestal, find your own resonances. [fuzzy writing, I know, but I must run for food at Koerner's] >i know we've >had this discussion before, so i wont ask why MTV got a different >version. Maybe there were two versions to begin with, or she wasn't happy with the first one, or the marketing types stepped in. > >anyway, it was really weird, from my perspective-having not grown up >with SARAH videos- to see early SARAH (like VOX & especially Steaming!). I think Steaming was condensed at the Railway Club, one of my favourite hangouts when it's not extremely smokey. Did they show the train set on the ceiling? It is also the "station" in Spirit of the West's "Our Station". The wood in there has soaked up so much music and who knows what else that it pulses, even on a Sunday night. >the tape i got also had some interviews from 1989...you can tell how >young she is, especially in outlook on life. A young outlook can last a long time. Play on. >Actually, i think its sort of cool that i didn't have all that visual to >go along with the music...it just made it seem more pure. Yes, it is better to get your own impressions first, and these may be multiple and evolve, and then later see what the artist has decided to extract for the video. >any comments on the visual aspects of liking music? Sometimes it is good to just close your eyes and focus on the music, let it well up within you, and relax. Other times the music will call up images, for me more often breathing nature images. Oh, I did go to the Sarah McLachlan and Judith Marcuse dance company show a couple of years ago, and thought it a good idea but (now) that it would work better in a more intimate venue with better lighting control and some mandatory audience participation :-) (Image, Sarah McLachlan workout videos. ha) Or even after dark on a big field with trees around. And the crowd was rather dead, I got there late, and few stayed for the Jim Byrnes after dance. But that was a burned out (rebuilding) year for me anyway. It should be great to hear and see the band in the setting of Vanier Park next week, and I hope the African band that did the rain dance at the VFMF on Sunday stay away (not really :-) I wouldn't mind hearing Sarah play on an offshore barge from some beach, like the Vancouver Symphony does on occasion. Videos feed but do they challenge? Anybody have some weird ideas for videos? Or is that ideas for weird videos Oh and come out Wed and Thurs around 10:30 to see the biggest subcomet crashes. For more ino call 822-2267 during office hours. (Those in Vancouver. There should be some good images on PBS as well. Wed there will be moon images galore so moon the moon somewhere dark with your sweet one(s). Or look moon-faced at the moon if you don't have a sweet tongue, and moon the US flag on the moon) Oh well, I'll settle for hearing Pamela Morgan on Tuesday and The Women of Albion on Wed or Thursday (anybody hear of them?) and then consorting with the astronomers and public on the roof on the other day (Thurs or Wed). Damn, I've verbose on the net (much less so in person). I should use the delete keys some. But at least the lines are short, which is good for quoting in a long thread. The best thing I liked about the folk festival was the marsh and the sea and sky and mountains and trees and jewelled light after the clouds broke on Sunday. What a viedio! I plan to give my S CDs a rest from now to the concert. What do others do --- do you abstain or prime? I will prime with other stuff for the web of memory. Davidio (no I'm knot, from Io) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:27 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 21:50:41 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:27 Subject: Re: Conan repeated! Vickie wrote: >... Sarah was the >icing on the cake of an already great show. Not the cake (without icing) that one hasss to have, even after a meal that's left one thought-full? (I don't like [most] icing, good bread will do.) David P.S. Who is Conan? A barbarbarren? No, just kidding --- I haven't seen his show but somehow his name slipped through the media net. Message fte:28 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 22:29:23 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:28 Subject: Re: Sarah's videos JoAnn wrote: J: On Sat, 16 Jul 1994, Mike Trevors wrote: J: M: Hiya Joann. As for Muchmusic air time, she gets alot of it I find. We J: M: have a show called "Much West" which highlights our West Coast music, J: M: and she gets air time there, and just generally on the station. J: is she considered "West Coast" because she operates (& now lives) out of J: Vancouver? ....because i thought she was from Halifax. is there also a J: MuchEast show? She is considered (by me) bicoastal. She wins awards in both the west coast and east coast music awards, and maybe the Junos and Grammys some day. ('though it is cooler to be a fan when she isn't an AM soft hits sellout) She grew up in Nova Scotia and was lured to beautiful Vancouver by, I think, a Nettwerk band called Moev. The music springs from the edenic (?) setting of Vancouver with the edged but deep root of the east. I am also starting to consider myself bipoastal, since I am from Newfoundland but have been here since Sept85, except for visits. I still plan to go back and also travel, but both the soft waves and tall trees and mountains of Vancouver and the passionate winds, old rocks, and vibrant people of home have a place in my heart. (Damn, I guess Mondays are just my day to unload after no e-mail all weekend) J: M: In Calgary here, she gets alot of Radio Play...She has a cult following J: M: here..:-) By cult, do you mean fringe or obsesxsed? By cult following, I usually would envisage a few hard-core fans of some obscure but wonderful performer. But it can also mean mind control, obsession and other nasty things. In a cult you are forced to join, disoriented, drawn in, set up. With Sarah it is more finding another purrfect voice and drawing closer like a fish to the bait --- it's your choice. But don't live just from Sarah's vision --- add your own, and link with many voices. My brother John tended bar (part time, his main job is now YWCA kitchen manager/chef) at the Banff concert; I'll have to ask him about the response. He used to run the tiny Blue Door in St. John's, where people such as Pamela Morgan and Loreena McKennit played (Pamela because she is his friend, Loreena because she wanted a place to warm up for her main gig [but I've never heard her]. Also John's food can be good enough to play for (not as good as mine, but more consistent and less experimental). But probably not at the Y. Two geophysicist student friends of mine at the CGU conference managed to scam two free tickets , after the intermission, and said they were blown away. To, more, konvertes. J: oh Calgary..!...it looks so beautiful there (from pictures). i have J: ALWAYS wanted to go there! It is pretty flat and high and dry, but clean and friendly, with lots of geophysicists and other oily individuals. I was there in the summer of 1984 but the night life has picked up since the 1986 Winter Olympics. It isn't far from Banff and Canmore, mountains and wilderness, and the badlands/Drumheller Paleontology museum. There's a 10% chance I may head out there for the end of July and the Canmore Folk Festival. But it isn't Vancouver or St. John's or Conception Bay. Come to Vancouver for tourist wonders of all kinds, go to Newfoundland or similar places for the warmth of the people and music and to let the weather push you back into line (Vancouver is too soft and boring sometimes). Listen to Ron Hynes and Pamela Morgan and for some Atlantic soul. David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:29 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 23:46:01 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:29 Subject: WEast Coast Don wrote: in reply to Craig, who wrote: >>>As for Sarah being a west coast or east coast act, that's a matter of >>>some contention. The East Coast Music Awards were held in St. John's >>>back in February. Sarah won a couple of awards, including best female >>>vocalist. I know several people who were very upset that she won. Not >>>because they think she's awful, but because they no longer consider her >>>an east coast artist since she lives and works out of Vancouver. I can >>>see their point, although I'm not certain I agree with it. >Well, as the East Coast Music Awards committee put it, the criterea for >being nominated for an award is to be *BORN* in NB, NS, PEI or NFLD. It >is her birthright. Given that she was born in the same hospital that I was >here in Halifax, I think that makes her an "East Coast -er". If there was >a music company as big as Nettwerk in Halifax, who is to say that she would >not have stayed here on the east coast? There just was no music companies >here to promote her music. At the time there was no Martime music industry. >She had two choices. Stay in Halifax and do $5 gigs at the Flamingo for the >rest of her life, or go to Vancouver and become so well known that she gets >to go on Letterman and Conan O'Brien. Hmm... which would *I* choose? Obviously to stay near an ocean, go to a big city and stay in Canada. That way she has both coasts listening and rooting and that will filter south and beyond. If you are from the Atlantic Provinces, you have a deep root, and are considered to be a AtProv-er no matter how long you stay away (but you'll be called a CBFA). Over the centuries, sometimes sailors would leave for years or even decades and then come back to be welcomed with open arms. The people are closely knit by hardship; many are forced to leave but long to go back. Maybe people like Sarah will spread this east coast sense of belonging, of kinship, of time in its time around. >Right now the Maritime music industry is at an all time high. Roch >Voisine (NB), Sloan (NS), Erics Trip (NB), Jale (NS), Hardship Post (NFLD), NFLD is not in the Maritimes. Out of Newfoundland we also have people such as Ron Hynes, Pamela Morgan, Liz Pickard, Kim Stockwood, Rawlins Cross [which also has NS, PEI members], Plankerdown Band, and many more. When times are hard people turn to the arts to let out their pain and burn it away with linked rhythms of pleasure. (or just to make time swing) >Rankins (NS), Barra McNeils (NS)... they are all selling very well. And >most are staying Maritime-based. But that is only because someone noticed >that there was talent enough here to start the industry... there was no >support for artists when Sarah first started out, so she had to leave the >Maritimes. Just because she had a chance at a bigger audience by leaving, >does not mean she hates the east coast... she had no choice BUT to leave. T She (may have) had to leave to find her true self, her true freedom. The East Coast is old, and small town attitudes can keep the timid from breaking out. But that is changing, people are starting to find pride in the arts, and also once you have gained confidence away it is possible to go back and steep in the power of storm and tea, and find hidden (insert word for those invisible lines in Lord of Rings doors) paths that are echoed at your core, apple. But who has left? The East Coast is taking over the world, it crops up in the strangest places and strangest faces. Go there, when (if) you leave you will take a trailing root. She is sure giving Ashley MacIsaac a big hand by giving him an opening spot next Sunday. I hope he responds with some sparks. I think I'll have to go cold turkey on the net soon,or else con myslef into using it to write my phd. Hey, anybody know the electrical conductivity, including anisotropy, of cod skin, or its wet acoustic properties? No, that is only indirectly related to my thesis. I bet Sarah could sing those cod into new schools, though, with the appropriate whale frequency scaling. (ha) Or time-release Fe, Arctic char low T jeans, waveguide bass, UV resistant plankton, magnetics on hibernia platform, etc. (just DooDling) Dalton P.S. In this net, where is the coast, costars? Feel the coast, triple boundary between sea and sky and land (I know, I used that before) at every concert of our (for then) triple fudge goddess symbol. Wiggle those inears to the vocal waves -- of sea and sun, earth and moon, tree and river, bird on the wind, stone and fire... . pro crass, tin ate, in G. ------ come back, complex delta function be love less of spiky delta -- biological more or like geological a than the real needle, the thinnest v e r t i c a l :-) ----- If my supervisor saw this, he would probably probably restrict my account, but luckily he is in Berkeley for two months, has a bad cold (get well, though) and would never read this list. A complex delta function is sort of like inverse distance, when you hit the right spot (or note)... For any mathematicians, what is the divergence and curl of the pubic hair vector field, for all the sexes (:~:) I should delete all that but you can instead. David Message fte:30 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 2:22:26 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:30 Subject: Re: Sarah's videos Mike wrote: >In Canada, JoAnn, the East Coast music and the West Coast music are very >different. Currently, the East Coast is really popular for "Celtic", >"Gaelic" or Traditional folk. Also, it is very popular for the >Alternative sound, such as Eric's Trip and Sloan. I don't think we can shove things into labels like that, there are bands of every type in Atlantic Canada (and in Vancouver). There are some top blues (Roger Howse, Dutch Mason, others), jazz (John Nugent, Jeff Dyer, more), reggae (Pressure Drop), rock (Dead Reckoning, Bung, Hardship Post...) country (Ron Hynes, Terry Kelly, Kim Stockwood, more), swinger strongwriters (Pamela Morgan, Liz Pickard...) and any other type of music in St. John's and other ports. Oh, and I forgot to mention The Thomas Trio and the Red Albino in a previous post. They broke up recently since Jody wanted to spend some time with his partner and their new child, but the Trio may find a new singer. Anyway, Jodi has live presence and a VOICE, and he would be my first choice for an upbeat duet with a good woman singer whose vocal spectrum would contrast appropriately with his -- it would be a dance of VoICES that would be true "sacred aural sex" (ha). >As for the West Coast, it is much lighter, more of the folk/Alternative >music.. Like, Sarah McLachlan, Grapes of Wrath (Ginger), etc. More >mellow I think. Ha! By light I guess you mean easy on the ears. The acts you mentioned can be heavy or intense, in meaning. And there are many garage bands or rising rock bands in Vancouver, including The Real McKenzies, Perfume Tree, Wingnuts, Wretched Ethyl, The Flu, The Stoaters, and hordes more bands, including some Nettwerk bands. Sam Feldman and The Agency are doing good business. Granted, many of the bands have trouble getting a place to play. And the geology here is more soft rock than hard rock, and less rubbed raw by glaciation and weather. Any good city has a spectrum of music, but not necessarily of record companies. Some of the world's top (in sales) rock bands come to Vancouver to record. Granted, there are many swinger strongwriter bands, such as Colleen Eccleston and Rattle in the Dash, or Mae Moore (now in Victoria), or Veda Hille, Sandy Scofield, Jenny Allen (now in Calgary), Herald Nix, Rachel Page, Strange Angel. But there are also several celtic influenced acts here, such as Spirit of the West (now breaking new ground), The PaperBoys, The Stoaters, Mad Pudding, Blackthorn_, Martingale, Rattle in the Dash, Fear of Drinking and more; and a hot blues scene, and a fair jazz scene. > >Nope, there is no Much East show, but, I imagine one shall soon >surface..:) It'll be the much lost, much more regained show but I hope it surfaces soon. David Message fte:31 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 3:00:54 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <1994Jul18.141020.2857385420@mtmi.telesat.ca> Message-ID: fte:31 Subject: Re:Camille D Stirling wrote: >Julie wrote: >>Sorry I posted before that Camille's dad was a celloist. I heard >>wrong....He's from the band "chilliwack." > >Wow, what a musical family!!! From Chilliwack ,to West End Girls to Sarah >McLachlan, that's quite a range!!! All I can think of now is: > >..... >She's been gone, gone, gone, she's been gone so long, >she's been gone, gone, gone, so long ..... complaining about the tour schedule again? > >hmmm, maybe Sarah will do some Chilliwack covers now??? Well, she already has done Ice and IceCream (and Ben's Song). And I can't imagine anyone doing Bill's songs better than Bill. His recent songs are even better if possible, but the folk fest and this list and my walkman going and the late night have left the titles out of my heads, except for that Golan Heights one. But maybe they could cowrite one (hey that looks like cowwrite, Gary Larson). David,3am Message fte:32 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 16:11:49 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9407201914.AA16435@cc.brynmawr.edu> Message-ID: fte:32 Subject: fumbling towards deadlines (was Re: DAVID DALTON) Oh, no -- I'm subjected, to all caps. (but at least not all craps, yet) It's terribly hot here in Vancouver. I sure hope it cools off with the moon, else Sarah will have an irritable and blah-ed crowd on Sunday. And sound carries better outdoors in lower and even slightly misty weather (but I am praying for sun, some wind and temperatures under 25 degrees). Some instruments are also affected by temperature and the air convection and shimmy breaks up the nice surface wave of the voice rolling across the grass. Here is a reply to Cheryl since others on the list may be wondering if I have a life. There are a few comments relevant to the music though, especially at the end. But if you are replying to the personal stuff then write directly to me to avoid clogging the list. Cheryl wrote: >David, >Three questions: > >1) When do you sleep? Sort of grad student computer nheard hours or music industry vampire hours. I get more creative ideas and connectivity in the wee hours but am generally less focussed. Lately it has been anywhere from midnight to 8 a.m. to 6 a.m. to noon, not very regular I want to taper back to "normal" hours. with a more consistent wake time. But an erratic schedule is less of a problem in the summer or when I am visiting home, where my sister has two small children. Why, was I posting at 5 a.m. again recently, or just posting 50 in one day? Usually I will post more on a Monday afternoon, especially if I have not signed on since Friday afternoon. I am also a pretty fast (dalton brother, y'know) 2-fingered typist and know some efficient shortcuts for using lists and newsgroups. When I started (posting to) fumbling-towards-ecstasy I reduced my involvement in some of the other groups. Also, in the summer there are fewer students on campuses and many grad students and profs go in the field so the net traffic is lower. Come September I will have to change, learn how to drop the unimportant things more easily. I will almost definitely taper down my involvement in this group after some comments of the Sunflower Sunday concert, and may even unsubscribe (from this and several others) to bury my nose in the books if no significant research gains are made this week, and also because I hope to get out of town for a week beginning in late August, maybe to an island or something. I may use a self-reward system --- when I get my daily research goal done I can then and only then read the net or go to a real club, or (last resort) listen to certain favourite music (not just Sarah). >2) When do you do your research? Ideally I would have a program running in one window, text of a paper in another window, and then when I need a break doodle on the net in another. But lately I will spend about an hour a day, more on Mondays or when creative or in procrastination mode, on the net. Since I don't watch TV and many people watch several hours a day, that isn't a lot of time. The problems come when you add in time spent club-hopping and time spent in volunteer activities. I have cut the first in half, partly due to budget, and cut the second down to 20% or less of the peak (when I was booking, making posters, putting up posters, doing sound, running jams, etc for the grad centre --- now I just do sound occasionally, on Fridays when I don't have something else pressing). Research ideas come in dribbles here and there, but the work comes in spurts :-) usually when I am pressured. This leads to a boom and bust type cycle --- get a lot done in a week, then nothing for a month. The last month has been unproductive. A way around this is to have several subprojects going, overlapped. The research is not hard, but doesn't motivate me except with the desire to finish it and get on to bigger geophysical and socioenvironmental questions. I don't want to be an oil geophysicist in Calgary or a publish or perish prof but that might serve as the base from which to pursue wider hobby interests. The net helps open a communication block --- I would probably not be as verbose in person except on rare occasions, but that is gradually changing. It is a question of somehow learning to listen and form counterpoint speech at the same time, not lose the inner rhythm when focussing on listening, and focus less on the I. In person I am a bit uptight at first, slow to spark (delayed reactions), overly cautious, and the net has provided a virtual shield that has helped me develop my real life confidence somewhat. But like anything (even Sarah's music) I wouldn't want to be addicted to it in the bad sense. I also may get some vocal coaching from one of my singer friends (maybe Tammy Fassaert or Colleen Eccleston) some day, but will first try some breathing and other exercises at home. Other voices matter a lot to me so I should try to improve my own projection and intonation and not be scared of expression. > >3) Why are you a geophysics grad student when you obviosly know and love >music sooo much? The roots were there but dormant when I entered geophysics (which I just fell into, from chemistry). My love of music didn't really take off until 1987 or not long after, in Vancouver, and I then also got more into the music of the Atlantic again, for the sounds of the wild ocean and of Home. And, as in geophysics, I sort of just drifted into it. Like all good relationships, you never know what hit you. It is good for creative purposes to have several apparently widely differing projects going on, the switching back and forth and juxtaposition can break some blocks. And of course geophysics and music are related (what isn't). Plus my growing (sputtering) thesis is on scattering of sound or electromagnetic waves, in retrospect a bad choice since in the last few decades thousands of dry papers have been published in the area, and the field is tight and barren. But with seeds from other to it and it to other new blossoms may spring. (was tempted to say bosoms) > >--Cheryl (who is trying to answer the same questions for herself) > Listen to the music (of the knotted sphere) and fumble --- you will sometimes fall but in falling find the river to your goals. (I guess that amounts to "follow your heart") How's that for mixed up? Hey, I did a long sentence once with all the song titles, I'll have to find that; it's on a scrap of paper in my untidy apartment somewhere; it wasn't very good, was done after solace, but I'll tidy it up (the sentence) and maybe add the third album. Are we going to change the name of the list when a fourth recording is made? This is too long and I should edit it down but I've already spent too long on it. DamneD, it's HOT! 34 degrees C (93 F) in Vancouver is rare but luckily water is not yet. Speaking of other favourites, I heard Pamela Morgan last night in hot weather --- her new stuff is mostly mellow but intense, partly due to the deaths in the last few years. Her voice keeps getting better like fine wine, and carries the sound of the wild Atlantic, with seabird highs and the smooth low bass hum and crash of the waves, and rolling rhythm. The arrangements (voice, guitar, keys, violin) of the trio were designed to showcase her voice. But probably a new recording (with the solo, non-Figgy Duff material) won't be out for a while. I'll post a short review about that to Usenet later. Anyone in Vancouver, come out tonight (Wed) for the Jupiter and moon shots around 10 on, south door. Also Thursday. And come hear Colleen Eccleston at the grad centre 6 p.m. Friday on the patio under the trees at the back, followed by open mic and maybe a celtic session and maybe a blues session if I do some phoning. But I guess some people are going to the Mission Folk Festival, as I may do on Saturday but not Sunday (softball. Oh, wait --- there's a concert, then maybe W.I.S.E. jam, then maybe Backstage Lounge.) . . . ------ David Dalton ---perpetual geophysics Ph.D student--- --- Dept. of Geopsychics & Astrology, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:33 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 15:32:38 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HEY38HWKWO8ZEJPR@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:33 Subject: dance and gravity (was Re: Lots of replies) Meredith wrote: >David wrote: >>I always get another (for me) subtheme out of Possession, >>that one facet is about the great divides of space and >>time, the solar winds, and the embraces of gravity and Time. > >Uh-huh. I think you need to sleep a little bit more. ;) What's wrong with a little play? And sleeping too much is almost as bad as sleeping too little. Another minor subtheme is: a good singer holds me transfixed, makes me close my eyes and just savour the sound, and when she attempts a particularly difficult piece I will my breath to her to help, or my breath is taken away momentarily by the sound. But of course it isn't consistent with all of the song. (And it didn't sound right, guess it is too early and hot.) >David remembered: > >>Oh, I did go to the Sarah McLachlan and Judith Marcuse >>dance company show a couple of years ago, and thought >>it a good idea but (now) that it would work better >>in a more intimate venue with better lighting >>control and some mandatory audience participation :-) > >??? More details about this show, please!!! I forget some, 91/92 was not a good year. But basically it was a dance company interpreting some of Sarah McLachlan's music, with the band performing live (or was it solo?), as a kickoff and fund raiser for the dance company's tour (in which they may have performed the same pieces, but to recorded music). It was not as good as it could have been (the dance portion, of course). David Message fte:34 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 16:09:45 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <199407211312.AA24881@iri14.infores.com> Message-ID: fte:34 Subject: Re: Misheard lyrics Valerie scribed: >Meth quoted: >> >>David Dalton wondered: >> >>>Anybody have some good "alternate lyrics" that might hold water on >>>their own, not just as a parody? or misheard lyrics, which happens >>>more with Tom Waits than Sarah McLachlan? > >Hm, I missed this in the original message, but now that I've seen it I >thought I'd respond. When I first heard Possession I thought it said: >"I would be the one to hold you down, kiss your soul". >It totally changes the meaning of the song, but I like it. Yeah, I often say, hey that sounds wrong, I would change just one word there, or something, when I listen to a song (but not for everyone). Also many artist deliberately use slightly different lyrics on the recording than on the lyric sheet, or slur the words a bit (e.g., TWaits). And with modern multitracking technology it is possible to lay down the main lyrics and then maybe some subliminal slightly different lyrics. Plus it is possible to pronounce a word halfway between two other words. One thing I mixheard on Solace was "free/flee the water..." > >Speaking of the meaning, have there been discussions I missed about this >song? I've been wondering whether it's supposed to be "good" possesion or >"bad" possesion - along the lines of that Police song "Every breath you >take" being intended as someone who's become too obsessive... Any thoughts? One person's good can be another's bad, and sometimes the worm can turn. In an interview (Gzowski?) I heard McLachlan say that it was about an obsessive fan. There is more in the weave, as in any poem, but be careful, since misinterpretation can lead to obsession. Seek balance, and don't have a one track mind. David Message fte:35 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 21:51:31 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <01HF0UJYTDEG9362SV@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:35 Subject: Re:lyrical ambush Meredith writes: >Sarah is great at using words and phrases one would never expect to hear in >a song: "lucid skin" -- what the hell is that? Like most words, lucid has multiple meanings --- it could mean painfully aware, or glowing or translucent, or have associations with "lucid dreaming", which is related to OOBEs and the like. >Who uses the word "inherently" in a song, anyway? Lots of people use words of more than one or two syllables in a song, as long as they match the rhythm and aren't too obscure. >Just another example of how her songs are poetry put to music. Yes, she is a modern bard. David Message fte:36 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 0:32:07 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:36 Subject: mixheard lyrics Hi all; I recently mentioned that in "Into the Fire" I could hear both "free the water" and a bit of "flee the water". And the handwriting on the lyric sheet almost looks like "fire the water". But the recording sounds most like "free the water". On the first mix of "Possession" I get a little bit of "should I spin forever" as well as the main "should I spend forever", partly do to the softened final d. This fits with my earlier comments that prompted someone to get more sleep. It is less true in the acoustic mix. I don't yet hear any mixup on "Wait" but I have misplaced my CD insert so perhaps the written lyrics are different, as some of you have indicated. The wind changed from dead calm to a good east breeze tonight around 8:30 p.m. so it looks good for the outdoor Sunflower Sunday concert, if the thunder, lightning and rain stay away or at least stay to over the North Shore mountains as usual, to provide a background light show. David P.S. From the above, I'm in boring mode tonight, so here are some unedited frivolity snippets from overnight July 8/9 to maintain my eccentric image (on this list). I left in the misspellings, etc, for now. Mild fun. =========== 1. poemeter -------- Otherwise random mistakes evolve toward the pathes that miss takes 2. (chorus: and thin no more) repaint a varnished sphere with tiny neon? tube gas rings sailors de light mist rises sun sets ell is a belle joue sailor is marnin' 3. (Re Jupiter, and PBS viewing_ ----- Sounds like a low cal cometh to me, And pubs in BC should turn on CBC. To hear the hissed images, whee Big red spots seen by mote notary 4. (Re: "The Tao of Physics") ------ breath all, a misty dowgma 5. (forget what this was for) ------- My lion always gets to sleep on time. Refrain from laments. Message fte:37 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 23:31:22 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:37 Subject: Re: More than one meaning to Possession? Don Whiting wrote: >... I think it is the listeners' responsibility >to find that message and question their own ideas on that >particular subject and compare their ideas with the artists. The listener can just relax and enjoy the rhythm and flow of the words and music, and take the obvious meaning if they like. They don't have a responsibility to probe the poet's psyche. But often after a few listens deeper meanings may surface, called or uncalled. >If the listener comes out thinking something other than >what the poet intended then someone failed in their job. The best poets never say what they intended, or what was their inspiration, but deliberately leave/left the poem open to interpretation. And even if they have one more several concious themes, there can still be more unconscious ones. The listener adds to the poem, by filtering it through her own experiences. A poem is a many-faceted word sculpture. I agree we should try to get the main messages that the poet intends to convey, and the way she sings the words helps convey those messages. But she is probably not going to list all of those meanings/inspirations on VJ-land. More later on sun flow er, but I'm pretty word-dry tonight. David Message fte:38 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 2:02:00 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:38 Subject: Vancouver Sunflower concert Here are some rough impressions of the Sunflower Sunday concert today. (it may be yesterday by the time I send it; it's 11:51 p.m.) I'm mostly uncreative tonight but may rhythm-edit it later and send the best and less personal bits of it to appropriate Usenet groups. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sunday, July 24 Venue: Vanier Park, Vancouver Time: 2:30--6:30 p.m. The day dawned calm, the pre-sunset east wind last (Sat) night was just a teaser. It was hot, not as hot as Wed/Thurs but still uncomfortable with the rising humidity and relative lack of wind. Around 1:40 p.m. I strolled down the hill to Kits beach and then along the beach, past the museum and Maritime museum to the concert area. I was then pissed off that the sound check was running late so, although gates were advertised as 1:30 and it was 2:05, there was a long gate line. Also the gate line was along the parking lot, and asphalt and cars were not preferable to the trees, grass and pond on the other side. Make the drivers walk two extra minutes next time (Bruce Cockburn). When I got inside I was further disappointed that there were few sight lines of the ocean view, but I moved to the back side nearest the water where the sound should be good, and where the view of the stage was framed by a bit of water, plus the semi-view of water and boats through the sheer black stage backdrop. Unlike the folk festival, the venue did not take full advantage of the natural surroundings, and the time should have been moved so that the concert ended at sunset. Anyway, from the above you can gather that I was in a bit of a pissy mood. The first opening act, Lost and Profound, did nothing to dispel this; I found them a bit depressing and not terribly original, with uninspiring lyrics and grating arrangements. But perhaps it was the time of day; hot siesta time, and they will probably shine at the Starfish (on Tuesday?). During their set I sat/lay on the grass and mostly read, but popped my head and binoculars up for some numbers. Then during the first intermission, instead of blessed silence the radio station sponsor pumped out some soft dance musak pap that set my teeth on edge and made me want to leave for a stroll on the beach for some real mixed rhythm. OK, after that it is mostly uphill. Ashley MacIsaac's band took the stage, and did a high energy set of Cape Breton jigs and reels, some cajun stuff, even a celtified version of "Staying Alive". I was amazed that he was fully dressed in long shirt and long pants, when in that weather a kilt would have sufficed. The sound was not quite right, they didn't get the base sound before extending it, but he is worth checking out. MacIsaac extends the ancient sound of the fiddle into electric realms, and bridges cultures and generations. He has the fire, but still needs to be tempered by a little more experience (he is 19). I semi-danced (too hot) behind the sound stage with hordes of others, and was standing for the entire set. But it was still too early for celtic dancing. An outdoor concert is great, but I would prefer a sunset one or an illegal after-hours 3 a.m. one to a midday one. MacIsaac came back for one encore set. After a short break, and some sound adjustments, the Sarah McLachlan band strolled out on stage, and the announcer said that SMc would be out shortly. The band set up a crowd-calming rhythm and after a minute or so the lead singer strolled on stage to tumultuous applause. I had a notebook in my backpack, and was going to note the songs, my impressions and the song order, but didn't bother. I'll just comment on what impressed me. I hung out near the back so I could stand rooted, so I won't comment too much on the band's appearance, even though I had binoculars. I hadn't heard Sarah live since the Clayoquot benefit, and she seemed thinner, a little tired, not as glowing. But perhaps it was just the sun beating on her face, and the tour stress, jet lag and early sound check/concert time --- she said they had gone through three time zones today. She was still an elven beauty in voice, form and movement, but it took a little while to build the energy. Early in the set they did mostly mellow tunes, to calm the crowd and get them focussed. Unlike the first act, I didn't find them depressing, since even in the blackest of Sarah's songs you get a sense of hope, of possible light, and of resonance. You could feel the crowd settling in, and the energy beginning to flow back and forth from band to crowd to band, more from crowd to band when we sensed that initial tiredness. Then the band began to build the energy, sending out pulsing rhythms, with the dancing seabird voice, occasionally punctuated by real seabirds not far from where I was standing. I found the band to be even more proficient and tighter than the one I heard at the PNE in 1991; and they no longer overwhelm the singer at times but now properly counterpoint and contrast with her. And of course Sarah picked up a guitar for many songs, and impressed all. Picture circling waves of sound, leaving the band, moving in small and large loops through the crowd. The crowd, rooted to the grass by tailbone or sole, groove as one, breathe as one, and nod their heads back and forth, sending that crown energy back to the band. I wasn't fully happy with the sound but it wasn't too bad without any repeaters and with the speakers a touch narrowly separated. But her voice did not quite the same responant warmth that it had at the Clayoquot benefit, and I blame that on sound contraints. Outdoors you really need to boost the very very lowest harmonics since otherwise they are carried away... Her voice has a little more subtlety than years ago, there are more little touches that really convey emotion. Like other of my favourite singers, she projects the song, is one with the song, and makes the song well up within you. You are within the web of song, linking singer and audience, sea and sun, tree and thee... Nothing is held back, at the end of of a painful piece you feel the need to reach out and comfort, to clear, in the difficult pieces you sing along with breath and soul. When I was starting to wander away, in attention and body, towards the concession, the moving sounds of Mary turned me around, brought my attention to stage and sea horizon, rooted my feet once more to the grass. (Then before the next song I got my ice cream, which luckily was gone before she did IC). Her (and many others') words and music have helped fuel my growth over the last few years, and hence the songs which speak to that, and to resonance with the natural world, and to making positive changes in society, moved me greatly. From the fenced in grassy knoll I could feel the music, at the boundary between city and ocean, with the rhythm of sea, earth, air and sun as a powerful backbeat. Drawn to the Rhythm helped remind me of that, and my walk there near high tide. I liked the live version of Home better than that on the recording. Her voice rang out, like an invocation, like a bell of power, to ring out around the world. Feel the voice, feel it fade, let your breath follow it, around the sphere of earthhome and back, by paths diverse but one. The arrangement of Into the Fire is also different but maybe slightly more upbeat, less stilted (lightened?) than that on Solace. But it retains its call-and-response feel, that it would be a good singalong, a good mantra. (And of course she did sing free not flee, the water of love.) Feel the twin sparks, the links from earth to sun, the small suns within you, the path at the back of the sun, the true sun flower with its deep root... They did Ice Cream as one of the encores, and I sort of rooted my feet way down to the earth's core, and felt the waves of love around the crowd. Speaking of mixhearing stuff, I always hear a bit of "I scream" as well as "icecream", to show that you can't have pleasure without some pain (or perhaps because some people tease when they make love, until their partner wants to scream "get on with it", or some people scream when they are aroused). And I guess the earth's magnetosphere/tail is a bit like an ice cream cone, with the tail driven by the solar wind. (Hey, I'm really grasping at straws.) Vox as usual got its big crowd response but far fewer people danced than for Ashley MacIsaac. But that was because Ashley's stuff is pure new-old-time dance music, whereas with Sarah's stuff people were content to listen, in the early heat. In Possession I hoped (called for) some wind to come in from the sea, stir the crowd, but none obliged. Instead, the powerful voice and keyboards stirred through the crowd, held them rooted to the earth. Again, the live version seemed more natural than the CD versions. For Good Enough, she dedicated it to friendship or love between two women, or to a mother, but didn't name any names. (I wonder if it can also be interpreted as the bonding between a woman and Mother Earth.) Fumbling Towards Ecstasy was one of the encores. I will have to disagree with those who don't think it should be released as a single, it is one of my favourite songs on the album. (But perhaps a different target station market.) It is an uplifting mantra, that you can use to regulate your breath, to sing along with, to break the barriers that hold you. Don't fear to reach out, to feel emotion, to make change in yourself and in the world. Build up the energy in yourself, then reach out, and resonate. In this song, McLachlan reached deep and poured out pure emotion, a blessing on the crowd, with a moving finale. Then (this was the second encore) she dodged off stage, once again mortal, tired, hot and probably in need of a good night's sleep. In summary, I enjoyed it but since I was tired and irritable did not rank it with my best concerts. But Sarah McLachlan has grown into a powerful front person and arranger and is just getting into her prime years (may they be long) so I bet there will be many more moving concerts in future, especially if she doesn't burn out from touring. (Hey, how's that for circular logic --- how can there be concerts without touring?) After the concert I did not hang around with the autograph seekers, but dodged out the gate and down to the beach, to savour the cool waves of water and air, wishing some to pass up to the band. Oh, and although the market stall looked well stocked (especially with the Nettwerk office blocks away) I didn't stop; I'll wait for the next Nettwerk Garage Sale (or not). Memories are far more precious than any memento; an autograph in the soul. I left the concert, strolled along Kits beach at high tide and up the hill, ate, drank a lot of fluids, and then was immediately drained --- the concert had provided only a brief respite from the flat day. Instead of heading off to the Backstage Lounge (to hear Ashley again) or to the W.I.S.E. acoustic jam or the Railway I snoozed off in my armchair around 8 p.m. But then, miraculously, a SE wind began to blow, cool air driving away the gunk of day at sunset, perhaps a precursor to some rain for the parched grass, trees and souls. The cool air (with fresh ions) and nap revitalised me, but since I felt music-ed out I came in here to await the lightning (not really, this week). Oh well, it's getting late, so I'll stop there. I may add very minor changes later, and will condense the review down (to just the main act and omitting much personal or speculative stuff) and post it to some Usenet groups later. And again, in the next week I'll have to reduce my posting to here. Plus if I post a review as long as this for all of my favourite musicians and my musician friends (some are same) I really wouldn't have a life. David P.S. Any in town, check out the Real McKenzies' underkilts at the Town Dump or The PaperBoys PJs at the Horny Aye this week, plus the Grrrls With Guitars words and music at Railway Tuesday, and Clambake (band) at the UBC grad centre early (6 p.m.) Friday (after your long hike up Wreck Beach trail?). -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:39 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 22:49:18 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9407262302.AA29245@netmail2.microsoft.com> Message-ID: fte:39 Subject: sunflower concert, semi-bye, etc. Michael wrote: >I won't wax poetic about the show (since I don't do that), but here's >what she played... > >Plenty >Drawn to the Rhythm This song I kind of link to the death of an uncle, when I went down to the ocean to mourn, and to link. >Good Enough >Wait >Elsewhere >Home >Lost >Ice >Fear >Out Of the Shadows run away from conflict to the arms of nature, but must face it someday >Path of Thorns Ouch. major acupuncture. path less travelled by, indeed. >Hold On just a little pinprick >Into the Fire break on through to our other side >------- >Possession >Mary >------- >Ice Cream >Fumbling Towards Ecstacy ---------------------------------------- I seem to recall Drawn to the Rhythm being later in the set, and Mary being earlier, and also Black. But I wasn't taking notes. After Sunday's concert, I would have to vote for intimate venuew over large arenas too. (But Sunday's was intimate enough for those content to sit.) I didn't enjoy Sunday's concert as much as previous shows but that was more due to my mood than the band's performance. The hot weather last week left me slightly irritable, and then early this week I have been low energy and slightly low in mood. If anything, the concert provided a brief respite from that mildly low mood (which was partly dehydration induced); it's just that the concert would have been much better if I was feeling up, and my review would have been a little tighter but perhaps more poetic. Since the traffic on the list is not that high, I won't unsubscribe but probably won't post or reply as much since I need to get much work done in the next month. ===> time for semi-lurk mode and if that doesn't work, I'll unsubscribe and do the hermit work thing. Also I have been neglecting my other lists and Usenet groups such as pendulum (online mailing list support group for those with bipolar mood swings and related creativity; most of the time I can offer support), alt.support.depression (I am less active there), sci.geo.geology, sci.environment, alt.sci.physics.acoustics, sci.physics.electromag, sci.med.psychobiology, alt.music.canada, rec.music.celtic, rec.music.folk, alt.pagan (which has been very noisy lately),ubc.general,ubc.events, bc.general, misc.creativity, misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition, sci.space.news (solar activity reports and forecasts are posted there)... (Luckily I don't read everything, just skim the subject headers; like everything, 95% of the stuff is junk.) But feel free to e-mail me, especially if you are coming to Vancouver, for advice on clubs/etc. I put together the Vancouver file in the rec.travel archives at umanitoba but it is a little out of date; I will update it one of these weeks. Also e-mail me if you or any friends suffer(ed) from depression or mood swings, and I will give you a list of on-line resources, most of which can be accessed anonymously. Many famous musicians, poets, artists, mystics, etc., throughout history suffered/were blessed with mood "disorders", and music can be useful in building energy or calming energy or regulating breath, or moving inwards or outwards, _if listened to at the appropriate times_. I hope I haven't disrupted this list too much, was just trying to lighten it up/shake it up a bit from the routine of set lists and autograph hunt and lukewarming stories. From now on I won't post any originals but maybe some short replies if something catches my eye. I'll try to keep most of my musical discussion to over a beer with friends at the Railway, W.I.S.E. downstairs or Koerner's (grad centre patio). And for those in town, e-mail me if you want to play my (oops, the) Friday folk session/open mic/blues jam, after 6 p.m. headline bands next 3 Fridays: Clambake, Stoaters, Clumsy Lovers. Musicians wanting gigs call Martin 822-3203 Tues/Thurs afternoons. Now I'm off to hear the Real McKenzies, or crash halfway (home). (oops, a mae-moore-ism by accident) Bye fte-id (not fetid); David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:40 - Read Delivery-date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:57:37 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Wed Aug 10 23:46:07 1994" Send-date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:26:00 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HFRCVNSOQA8Y5CT1@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:40 Subject: Re: Drawn To the Rythm >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 1171 Meredith wrote: >A fellow listmember from Halifax (hi, Davros :) told me that "Drawn To The >Rhythm" is always a favorite with the hometown crowd, since as he quoted >Sarah as saying in the introduction to the song, "We have all gone to the >ocean for solace." Being in the Maritimes and lying on the bay like Halifax >does, it makes sense to me that the Haligonians would feel a special kinship >with the sea. The song goes: > >"When we wore a heart of stone >We wandered to the sea >Hoping to find some comfort there >Yearning to feel free..." > >Those opening lines sum up the song for me, at least. ------------ The song has a strong meaning for me as well --- I relate the opening part to a time when a close uncle died of sudden stomach cancer mere months after I had seen him apparently hale and hearty back in Newfoundland. When I heard the sad news, I went for a solo walk in the rain down to Locarno Beach (was living at 12th and Sasamat at the time) and shared my sadness with the ocean, regulated my breath, and sent tears out on the tide in tribute to my uncle of the sea. I also relate the later parts of the song to other experiences, particularly one time when I was quite high and nature-linked. David Message fte:41 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 0:09:19 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:41 Subject: ecstasy of fumbling (was Re:Article excerpt...) I am resending this since it seemed not to get through last time, probably due to network difficulties or some problem at the listserv end. It seems to have been fixed (but don't worry, I won't plague you with very many posts and will save my strangest ones for other ears, as I indicated a while ago, even though some list members have said privately that they enjoyed the attempts at levity [but not brevity]) ----------------- I wrote in a recent post: D: Sharon wrote: D: D: S: >Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! -- An ecstasy of fumbling, D: S: >Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time; D: S: ... D: D: Sounds like condomania to me. AIDS de camp. D: D: David I didn't mean to trivialize the pain of war in the above comment. The reversal of the order of ecstasy and fumbling could be taken as a statement against the horrors of war. (And indeed, by depicting the horrors of war rather than glossing them over with Desert Storm type propaganda, Wilfred Owen's poetry is anti-war.) ----- DRD (one anagram: dandy mandorla divot --- shades of Dyson sphere) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:42 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 22 Aug 1994 10:43:05 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9408201620.AA01405@artwork4.cray.com> Message-ID: fte:42 Subject: Re: Back Door Man "Back Door" can mean the hidden way, but the open way (if you know where to look). In small towns in the Atlantic Provinces the back door is always open, the kettle is on for tea (and water in the well, as Spirit of the West say). Sometimes when you are blocked by a huge rock it helps to back off a little and then grow around the rock in a yin yang fashion. First back off to root, then find new directions. The back door of the earth could mean the darkest part of night. The back door of the moon could be the new moon. Of course that doesn't rise until morning so combining the above you get 4 a.m. a few days before new moon (daylight savings?). The back door of the sun is that which we cannot see but can image through a pinhole at right angles to our normal universe (i.e., a crack in our "normal" state of mind, to see the underlying connections). Or it could have something to do with the shadow of the sun's magnetic field, i.e., the sun is moving through interstellar space and has a tail like the earth's icecReAM like magnetosphere tail (and also Jupiter and Mercury, and maybe Io). When the earth is moving through one part there are different effects than when moving through the other part. The back door could also be related to the relatively dark sunspots (similar to spots on Jupiter?) and related flares and coronol mass ejections which can cause ionospheric effects which can cause weather effects, including winds and lightning, which can provide crack to the poets... :-) And when your hands are tied on the table you can see some interesting cracks and knots in the wood. By looking into cracks you find new worlds, by not looking into chasms you can more easily jump over them... Back Door could also refer to the goddess within oneself that you approach to find the rest of the triplet, the light and dark goddesses of the outside world. (Uh oh, I guess I should stop reading RGraves, PFord and MPersinger and get back to my fading thesis. With regard to that, the back door could be the shadow zone, where direct rays do not strike, only the creeping or surface waves that travel around the curves of the goddess and are given structure or smoothed by the hard and soft bumps and edges on those curves. In time the waves look like sharp spikes with fading effects, in frequency they look like many-petalled flowers, with the lower number of petals easier to calculate.) David (10 a.m.) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:43 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 18 Aug 1994 13:44:00 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9408181900.AA02422@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Message-ID: fte:43 Subject: Good! Enough! Alex Gibbs wrote: >So, the Sarah video... It starts out with a shot of a country/farm house. >It's a collage of inter/over-mixed shots of Sarah, every band member, and >shots of a family in turmoil as well as a friend of the young daughter, and >various shots of the house. Every single member of the current touring >band is shown a few times briefly, and of course Sarah frequently. I think >all those shots are B&W and the shots of the family are in color. I've >only seen it twice but I believe it's about a girl and her mother with a >drunk/violent father who "has never been good to" them. The girl gets lost >in their fights but has a good friend or sister who shows her she is "so >much more than good enough". ----------- Yes, that is one of several interpretations which have been made of the song; I haven't seen the video. I also tie it to some of her earlier work on Touch and maybe Solace but will keep my more speculative and personal meanings private. A child runs away from conflict to play with an imaginary friend or A child runs away, towards the edge of the earth (sunset), to escape, and finds no edge, only the comforting joy of mother nature, Titania and her fairies, amidst the thorns. (ch angel in G cod?) Or perhaps the child in the grownup runs away... years later due to stimulation of the blocked or buried memories. But we cannot run away for ever, we must face our fear, let out those blocked emotions and effect change. "all the fear has left me now..." Not likely, but a worthy goal, and to try is good enough, eh. Uh oh, better get back to writhing my theSis. (actually time for lunch) David Message fte:44 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:07:19 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199409052136.RAA28050@nudge.io.org> Message-ID: fte:44 Subject: Re: Fear Jules wrote: >Thoughts on the meaning of "fear", This is a call for a major brainstorming >session. Any thoughts wanted.. I'm out of the eye of the storm, and haven't listened to it for at least a week (nor suffered it) but here's a try. >I remeber Sarah saying something aout "fear" being about "the fear of giving >all of oyurself in love.." All of oysterself :-)? No, I agree, it may be about the fear of losing yourself due to a lack of security/groundedness/rootedness. You are of ocean but fear losing self in the ocean, or never coming back from nirvana. But look at it instead as an instrument coming it tune with the rest of the band. >The song is extremely powerful.. I think.. At least it isn't absolutely powerful, think i. -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 {now out of converged (eye of the) brainstorming mode} Message fte:45 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 10:57:12 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199409052031.QAA21132@bonk.io.org> Message-ID: fte:45 Subject: Re: Strange Sarah Sighting Jules wrote: >Mikey wrote ( a long time ago....) >> > >> All I can say that, if you are looking for Sarah Video's, Much Music >> plays them enough. It seems everytime I turn it on, there she is..@=) >> >I still haven't seen them play steaming yet though.... Just a snippet on >the New Music... > >> Hey! This is a odd question, but, a girl friend of mine (A friend) was >> wondering.. Is Sarah hair permed? or is it naturally curly? > >Naturally curly. Check the chat trancsript... Kids at school used to call >her Medussa (medusa?) No Medussa.... And kick and scream that they were >turning to stone while flailing their arms.. > > Bet they're laughing now...> ---------------- Yes, after all, Sarah is named after a laughing sea goddess. -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 {now out of converged (eye of the) brainstorming mode} Message fte:46 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 18:08:32 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:46 Subject: goodbye Hi fellow fumblers; Goodbye to FTE (but not the cruel world :-). I've been wasting too much time on Usenet and after the lack of response to my online "enlightenment" posts of late August and early September am starting to think it was a false enlightenment and hence will try to avoid a repeat, or at least keep it to myself in future. Thus I'll go cold turkey on Usenet for a while, until I sort things out with some rational detective work --- I still don't really think it was a false enlightenment, but a powerful, smooth, flowing resonance/goddess/nature inspired intuitive burst, and am unwilling to let it go as I have done some others. Not knowing will not help me, knowing will provide some guidance. I am now inextricably bound to serve the goddess, but that doesn't mean I have to serve humans after the last unrequited burst. But of course I am easily swayed by the voices of goddess inspired women. My one true love is the collective or nature goddess but I can now see the goddess in all women, some more than others. But don't worry about obsessive behaviour, I am no good unless they really want me and we are both in tune, otherwise there are no sparks. I don't believe in some spiritual sages' advice to avoid women, it isn't necessary as long as the higher love is also maintained and symbolized in the sacred love between people. Oddly enough, I recently figured out that I tend to be more attracted to bisexual women, which may have slowed me down somewhat. Now what does this have to do with Sarah's music? Bye, David -- D.R. Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:47 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 19:03:25 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: , Message-ID: fte:47 Subject: re: goodbye I just wanted to reassure everyone that my mild delusional thoughts have faded with the waxing of the moon, although I still think my "enlightened" ideas of early September and late August, on dolphins, transportation, sea stuff, communication, music and more, will be of use someday after I edit it into a nicer form. Also, from the experience of the last three weeks and July 8/9 I will modify my mood management techniques such that if there is a (maybe twice yearly) positive creative hypomania that has not ended by new moon, then I will terminate it as I would in the early stages of any pre-full-moon dysphoric/mixed episodes, to avoid the euphoric to dysphoric transition. But I still need to go cold turkey on USenet for a while to focus on real life and a surreal thesis. I will rejoin a few select groups in a month or so, probably including fte and pendulum. So long and thanks for all the fiche Time, for a harvest cookie David Message fte:48 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 15:36:45 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:48 Subject: nailed for possession Hi all; I haven't rejoined the list yet, will do so right after the 19th. But I just wanted to recommend a good book on shamanic and other forms of possession. It is: Ecstatic Religion by I.M. Lewis, (I have the UBC library 2nd ed. copy for the next few days.) I have only gotten to the second chapter, but the book talks about forms of nature possession, divine spirit lovers, how the initially possessed often "run away over the hills..." and so on and how the initial traumatic experiences are gradually replaced by more conscious control as the shaman matures. This lends hope, but it seems contrary to many studies that say bipolar "illness" gets worse with age. (But I don't hold much stock in _some_ studies, and "worse" according to whom? Plus there are several forms of bipolar illness, which are lumped together in the public mind, with one stigma.) The book also discusses Somali "sar possession" and similar ones from other cultures, in which the afflicted woman comes to possess some power over those who have been haras-sing her. The doctor (which?) says "stick out your tongue and say `ahhhhhh'. Listen to what Sarah sings but refrain from haraSsing. Private e-mail is welcome, and I will rejoin the list around the 20th or at the latest just after my committee meeting which I want to be on or before the 27th so I can relax and/or cut loose for the Real McKenZZZZ that night, PauperBuoys on Friday, a party and/or Hard Rock Miners (bound for south australia) on Saturday, pumpkin cake baking and W.I.S.E. jam on Sunday and I am sure there will be something happening on Hallowe'en (maybe I will visit the beach at 3+ a.m. (Nov. 1) for some sea spurs ??? (that should read sea spirit, but I slurred it again). But I won't cut loose too much since there is a chance of a triple (hat trick) of de vine perspiration (early July, late Aug/early Sept, so, since threes come, I will have to stay a bit uptight (careful) in late October, de veil is sin. David Dalton P.S. In a pool tournament last night, "illegal pot" reminded me of the posse's S-ion (is that a hanging rope or what? Q-ed). [the above is obscure even to me, that's why it's a p's and q's] -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:49 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:57:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:49 Subject: Hi --- I'm bach + tape3, newsgroups, SAD, junk Hi fte-all; I have rejoined FTE, but promise not to post terribly long, bizarre posts too often, especially since my thesis must either hatch or rot soeon. But there is still a chance I will wax poetic in late October when the veil is thin, or on an occasional very late night. I made my third "power tape" last night, with two Sarah McLachlan tracks, and will post the track list and maybe a brief lyric collage later. This tape is mellower than the last one, maybe due to the rapidly darkening season. (Anyone in Vancouver who suffers from S.A.D. should call my friend Gary Allen at 689-4016 in the West End, he has designed a low cost [C$169] portable light box that is lower glare than some, due to a plastic shield and a reflector. I may get one myself to help avoid being Ice-d, although I have fewer problems with it than many people so I will [have] probably spend[t] it on live music and CDs instead.) How come Loreena McKennit got a newsgroup before Sarah when Old Ways had far less traffic than FTE? But I think we should wait until we have enough members to do what the RDT people did, to get a rec.* group for Sarah as they did for Tori. That would reach many more sites. But it also helps to post Sarah stuff on alt.music.canada, alt.music.ecto,alt.music.alternative.female,rec.music.misc or watch for posts there, to recruit new fte-ish. I had better not bother, though, at least until my stu.dent career ends. I'll post again after midnight, perhaps my writing will improve with the lateness. But in future I will probably restrict myself to occasional twitty followups. What's a good limerick with first line ending in Sarah? (maybe later) Three cheers: Say 'rah, raw Ra! (bad, I know). nine shears: (?childhood change?) 27 shirrs: 27 can be a hurdle year for poets, musicians, shamans (P,M,S) David D (3*3*3+3 and still unsure D) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:50 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 6:04:54 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:50 Subject: the power of three (tree and thee) Hi again; I promised earlier to post the track list from my number three "power tape". Once again I included a couple of Sarah McLachlan tracks. It is a first draft, I plan to take the tracks from all three tapes, delete a few and add a couple, and organize them to flow musically and thematically and temporally. (I noticed that my earlier tapes are a little jerkier.) This third tape is mellower, more introspective, and was not prompted by late night energetic inspiration but just by my buying more CDs and I guess by the darkening of the season. But I will probably do the later re-edit in a more creative state. Also this has a strong country/folk influence since my recent CD aquisitions have included Roy Forbes, UHF, Tammy Fassaert, and Ferron. Below I will type a few lyric excerpts, except for the first track which is typed in its entirety. Perhaps my fingers will learn something for later :-). Again, I probably made some unintentional and some intentional typos in the lyrics, typed from ear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Ferron: Girl on a Road (from Driver [I moist recommend it]) "My momma was a waitress, my daddy a truck driver, the thing that kept their power from them, slowed me down awhile, I remember the morning, it was the closing of my youth, when I said goodbye to no-one, and in ??? ??? is my truth, and a walk along the river, and a rain a coming down; and a girl on a road (no chorus) there's a rhythm to the highway, and that's the rhythm of your fears, my shopping bag possessions scattered, with my splattered tears, a string of nights and truck stops, in darkness and in lies, a man they all called TigerBoy, he just had to show me why, he just had to give me something, I'd forever understand, as a girl on the road. core-us: rain upon the water, makes footprints sunk in sand, anger upon angry hurt, take me by the hand, take me by the heartstrings, pull me deep inside, say i'm one with your forgiveness, separate from my pride I don't know what it's like for you, but here's what it's like for me, I wanted to turn beautiful, and serve Eternity, and never follow money, or love with greasy hands move the earth and waters, just to make it fit my plans my eyes would be the harbour, my words the perfect place, for a girl on the road (no chorus) I met you in the summer, I Left you in the fall, in between we did some living, I'd like to think that's all, now I see words can be like weapons, no matter that they're small, use three tiny words on you, and then beat it down the hall, does this road go on forever, does this terror not all end, for a girl on a road (chorus) you cannot measure what it takes, to mend a withered heart, they'll tell you at the onset, everybody does their part, I did my best to follow, the calling of my soul, it's like that first guitar plate, at the centre is a hole, at the centre is a longing, that I cannot understand, as a girl on a road (no chorus) if music be a boulder, let me carry it a while, let it turn into a feather, let it brush against my smile, if life be somewhat settled, with the life the song has made, let there be nothing i am longing for, in the plan I may have made, in some story quickly written, during a long forgotten time, as a girl on a road (chorus) Roy Forbes: Anna Marie (from The Human Kind) [cover] well i'm riding down the highway, no place in mind, looking through the trees, and the hills behind, my whole life is gonna roll away, all the strings are gonna fly, at the end of the road [what end] let me down to die. Oh Anna Marie, don't you know me anymore, I been so long out tryin to open the door. Every night in my dreams, every day out on the road, this love has gone way out of control.... Well it was late last summer, fires were burning bright, on a cliff there beside the sea, a warm and starry night, so lost inside your love, to the future unafraid, ... Tammy Fassaert: When the Sun Comes Up (from Just Passin' Through) [cover] ...I don't want to wake up, to the sound of your pickup truck, drivin' off in a cloud of dust, in the middle of the night, and when I see the bright sunshine, dancing on the power lines, I want you in these arms of mine, when the sun comes up... did you ever reach out for something, that seemed to be so near, only to open up your eyes and watch it disappear... Wyckham Porteous: I Would Stay Here (from Could it be My Road) driving cross the prairie there's a wind then a warning that a storm is coming from the south, and the sky, like a hurricane, though I have never seen one, I know every town has a motel... and then I, I would stay here if I could, but the man behind the counter says the farming is no good, and you see the only action is at the local auction where people's only option gets stripped away... ... Main Street is a river and there's lightning by the school... [ok, now I switch from the road to another group, on dance and melody+] Iris Dement: Sweet is the Melody (from My Life) sweet is the melody, so hard to come by, it's so hard to make every note run just right, you lay down the hours and leave not one trace, but a tune for the dancing is there in its place ... Leonard Cohen: Dance me to the end [what end] of LOVE (from Live) dance me to your beauty with a burning violin, *dance me through the panic till I'm gathered safely in* lift me like an olive branch, be my homeward dove, and dance me to the end of love let me see your beauty when the witnesses are gone let me feel you moving like they do in Babylon show me slowly what I only know the minutes of and dance me to the end of love... Sam Weis: Full Moon Tonight [there was, when I taped it] bells are ringing/drums ?work, dancing/nightbirds singing/ and romancing/ah--smell the rose that's in my hair/ now we can fly/here we go, on the midnight air/... there's a full moon tonight/and I want to go out dancing, dancing, with you/music take my soul/transform me through, hold me to you... [next three or so on night] Roy Forbes: Days Turn to Nights (from Human Kind) the words don't come quick like they used to/and I find myself searching my mind for a phrase/and this thing they call living gets more complicated/as the days turn to nights/and the nights turn to day/ /now I've been a fool on a hilltop... and i've seen some dreams turning into dead fire/as the days turn to nights and the nights turn to day.../oh moon, crazy old moon/why are you sinking.../why do you hide like a child/ who knows he's done wrong... Loreena McKennit: Dark Night of the Soul [I tapered this on and off] on the darkened night/the flame of love was burning in my breast/ and by a lantern bright/I fled my house where all in quiet rest/ shrouded by the night/and by the secret stair I quickly fled/ a veil concealed my eyes/while all within lay quiet as the dead/ oh night though was my guide/oh night more loving than the rising sun/ oh night who joined the lover to the beloved, transforming each into the other... Patsy Cline: Walking After Midnight I go out walkin'/after midnight/out in the moonlight/just like we used to do/I'm always walking/after midnight/searching for you/ I walk for miles/along the highway/well that's just my way/of saying I love you/I'm always walking/after midnight/ searching for you/I stop to see a weeping willow/crying on his pillow/maybe he's cryin' for me/and as the skies turn gloomy/ night winds whisper to me: "I'm lonesome as I can be"... Sarah McLachlan: Good Enough hey your glass is empty/it's a hell of a long way home/ why don't you let me take you/it's no good to go alone/ I never would have opened up/but you seemed so real to me/ after all the bullshit I've heard/it's refreshing not to see/ I don't have to pretend/she doesn't expect it from me/don't tell me I haven't been good to you/don't tell me I have never been there for you/don't tell be why nothing is good enough/hey little girl would you like some cake/momma said it's ok/the door is open come on outside/no i can't come out today/it's not the wind that cried at your shoulder/ and threw you to the ground/who's there that makes you so afraid/you're shaken to the bone/i don't understand/you deserve so much more than this/ so don't tell me why he's never been good to you/ don't tell me why he's never been there for you/don't you know that why is simply not good enough/so just let me try/ and i will be good to you/just let me try/and i will be there for you/i'll show you Y is so much more than good enough... . Leonard Cohen: I'm Your man (from Live) [I had to add a plea for X, even though I had some unlikely ideas on cooqueen with two eggs, last month] if you want a lover, i'll do anything you ask of me if you want another candle love, i'll wear my leather mask for you if you want a partner, take my hand, or if you want to strike me down in anger, here I am, i'm human if you want a boxer, i will step into the ring for you if you want a jewish doctor, i'll uncover every inch of you if you want a driver, climb inside, or if you want to take me for a ride, well you know you can, i'm human yeah the moon's too bright and the chain's too tight and the beast won't go to sleep/ i've been running through all of these promises to you that i made and i could not keep/ but a man never got a Woman back/not by begging on his bended knees/ or i'd crawl to you baby and i'd fall at you feet/ and i'd howl at your beauty like a dog in heat/and i'd claw at your heart and i'd tear at your sheet/and i'd say please i'm human... if you want to sleep for a minute on the road i will steel for you/ if you want to work the street alone i'll disappear for you/ if you want a father for your child/or only want to walk with me another mile across the sand/i'm your man/ B. Iris Dement: No Time to Cry (from My Life) My Father died/a year ago today/rooster started crowing/when they carried Dad away/there beside my Mother/in the living room I stood/with my brothers and my sisters knowin'/ dad was gone for good/well i stayed at home just long enough/ to lay him in the ground/and then i/ caught a plane to do a show/up north in Detroit town/cause I'm older now/i've got no time to cry/i've got no time to look back/i've got no time to see/the pieces of the heart that have been ripped away from me/and if the feeling starts to comin'/i've learned to stop 'em fast/cause i don't know/if i let em go/they might not want to pass... UHF: Don't you cry (from UHF-II) don't you cry/wipe your weeping eyes.../all your sorrow/ soon be gone away/all your sorrow/gone like yesterday... let me hold you 'till tomorrow... Ferron: Maya (from Driver) [I tapered this out after first half to save tape] /last night i dreamed Joni Mitchell cut her hair and changed her name to Gaia/she spoke to me, and called? me dear, and she said "you'd better push the edge of Maya"/you push the edge, you fall off the ledge/that's how it feels this morning/ i've got my ???/it seems like a very good day to be born in/ oh holy light/you push me through what i could never get through/ do we call this a second sight/so no i'm not sad i'm feeling good in fact/in many ways i've never felt better/i'm back from the war between should and bad/and now i know me down to the letter/ the hardest thing i ever tried to do/was stay in one place and just try to come through/i love me some, now i want to love you too/spend some time in the garden/oh, the suspense of it all/ a little seed in the soil, a little sunshine and toil/ can we call it a second sense/i can't wait for those carrots to push through/i can't wait for the smell of the morning dew/ i'll plant a sunflower and a rose bush too/i'll say Maya... [I once was treated by two nurses both named Maia or Maya] Tammy Fassaert: Carry you Along (from Just Passin' Through) gazing out the window of the Morning Dew Cafe/another cup cup of coffee and she sets out on her way/and with the radio a playin' loud/she drives across the land/to another night and another town/another one night stand/ so lady let your heart unfold/your stories to the world be told/pick your voice up and sing it strong/the words of your song/will carry you along... Sin'ead O'Connor: thank you for hearing me (from m.Wounded Child.UM) [I tapered this off to save tape. This album seems to be a rebirth one, she should come back further in future. I was disappointed at first but now can get her message of trauma and rebirth. At first I thought her voice too flat, perhaps due to inappropriate medications or inappropriate med levels, but now think it could be intentional. And of course the universal mother is not always gentle, she is a teacher of the oldest school (of both hard and soft knock{er}s). Anyone know how old Sinead is? Has she gotten past 27?] thank you for hearing me/thank you for loving me/ thank you for seeing me/and for not leaving me/ thank you for staying with me/thanks for not hurting me/ you are gentle with me/thanks for silence with me... UHF: Lifting my Heart (from UHF^2) [Ulrich, Henderson and Forbes] so i was feelin' let down/shovelling pain by the pound/ lookin' down at my shoes/i felt like a human in doubt/ really my inside was out/very hard to amuse/then i heard something outside/all about a golden sun/someone singing outside/making me the lucky one/ Your song is lifting my heart/your song is lifting my heart... Leonard Cohen: who by water (from Live) [tapered to save space] who by fire/who by water/who in the sunshine/who in the nighttime/ who by high ordeal/who by common trial/who in your merry, merry month of May/who by very slow decay/and who, who shall i say is calling/... who in her lonely slip/who by barbituate/who in these realms of love/who by by something blown/who by avalanche/who by powder/who for his greed/who for hunger/ and who, who shall i say is calling/and who by brave ascent/ who by accident/who in solitude/who in this mirrow/who by his lady's command/who by his own hand/who in mortal chains/who in power/and who, who shall i say is calling/ Loreena McKennit: Mystic's Dream [tapered to save space] /clouded dream on a moody night/hangs upon a crescent moon/ voiceless song in an ageless light/sings of the coming dawn/ birds of flight are calling there/where the heart moves the stones/there that my heart is longing for/all for the love of you.../ Kate and Anna McGarrigle: sun, son (from love, over and over) oh father, come to the window, look over yonder lake at the wondrous golden city, beyond the icy wake in my short life we've passed this way ten times or more and never did the city rise up on that far shore that's the sun, son, shinin' on the water it's not cairo, new york or rome/and a matter of hours before you see your Momma, waiting for you back at home... Sarah McLachlan: Trust (from Touch) [may replace with or add Circle or others] somewhere deep inside me/i hold a picture of a time to come/ a time of peace and simple leisures/and days in shadows not so wrong/and with my mind I'm struggling/holding on to what i believe/listen to the fragments of my thoughts that leave me broken and deceived/ cause I don't know the way/he said "I can take you there"/ i can show you places where our time has had no swear/ and as ?we walk the flame?/the skies will open wide/ feeling all the shame/for what's been lost inside us all/ it's a day in the life/in my mind i've seen it all/ someday soon for all to see/the walls are slowly breaking down/someday we will be free/ searching for a message/or so i thought/or so it seems/ the ignorance in the mist of udders/is easier to redeem/ i never question the answers given/to find the faith that's been lust within/cause where I lay my trust in others/ where it lies the ground is thin [midocean?] ... i know you say that you love me/if what you say is true/ then show me something that's knot deceiving/cause you, wood Ent, lie to me.../it's a day in the leaf... [ modified slightly :-) ] UHF: On the Edge (from UHF-II) hmmm hmmm.../i'm on the edge/i'm on the edge/yeah i'm feelin' kinda lovesick i've gotta get ahold of you/well let me tell you now you're my heart's desire/i been a hummin' that tune about a fever like Peggy Lee/my thermometer's cruisin' higher and higher/i'm in a mixed up state/i gotta get straight/instead of like a cat up a tree/ i'm on the edge... Sam Weis: When you Rock me and when i fell for you/i couldn't let it show/ i was afraid you'd run/i couldn't let you go/time changes everything/ and sometimes dreams come true/i'll say it right out loud/ i am in love with you/oh, oh, when you rock me baby/oh when you rock me in your arms all night, when you rock me i feel all right/ if there's a better life/i can't imagine how/your love's a paradise/right in the here and now/and when the world gets rough/ and closes in on me/i think of holding you/and how its gonna be/ oh when you rock me baby.... Patsy Cline: got a Lot of rhythm in my soul [What, er, about Lot's wife?] come on dad/get with the jive/let's let it know/that we're alive/ until the break of dawn we'll yell for more, more, more/gonna live it up and tear it down/get in the groove and paint the town/ gotta lot of rhythm in my soul... Quartette: Papere's Mill (from Quartette) [may add The Circle to other tape] the wheel turns round/corn is ground/there`ll be bread on the table in the morning/and the love may end/hearts will mend/as sure as the wheel keeps turnin'.../i grew up, chased my rainbows/ making mistakes like we all do/i listened to some who said they knew better/thinking it was better because it was new/but the wheel turns round... ------------------------------------------------- David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:51 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:12:17 UTC+0100 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:51 Subject: circle Here is another "misheard lyric", from Circle there are two of talking in circles/one of us who wants to be which I would interprete as a love triangle, or as our perception of the earth and moon as travelling in circles but the sun travelling in a straight line or staying still. Really, the sun travels in curves too, and nothing travels in circles but in connected spirals and figure eights that form the universal heart. [ha] But of course that isn't how the song goes. David Message fte:52 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 6:22:35 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Oct 20 06:17:08 1994" Send-date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 6:04:00 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:52 Subject: the power of three (tree and thee) >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 2169 Hi again; I promised earlier to post the track list from my number three "power tape". Once again I included a couple of Sarah McLachlan tracks. It is a first draft, I plan to take the tracks from all three tapes, delete a few and add a couple, and organize them to flow musically and thematically and temporally. (I noticed that my earlier tapes are a little jerkier.) This third tape is mellower, more introspective, and was not prompted by late night energetic inspiration but just by my buying more CDs and I guess by the darkening of the season. But I will probably do the later re-edit in a more creative state. Also this has a strong country/folk influence since my recent CD aquisitions have included Roy Forbes, UHF, Tammy Fassaert, and Ferron. Below I will type a few lyric excerpts, except for the first track which is typed in its entirety. Perhaps my fingers will learn something for later :-). Again, I probably made some unintentional and some intentional typos in the lyrics, typed from ear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Ferron: Girl on a Road (from Driver [I moist recommend it]) "My momma was a waitress, my daddy a truck driver, the thing that kept their power from them, slowed me down awhile, I remember the morning, it was the closing of my youth, when I said goodbye to no-one, and in ??? ??? is my truth, and a walk along the river, and a rain a coming down; and a girl on a road (no chorus) there's a rhythm to the highway, and that's the rhythm of your fears, my shopping bag possessions scattered, with my splattered tears, a string of nights and truck stops, in darkness and in lies, a man they all called TigerBoy, he just had to show me why, he just had to give me something, I'd forever understand, as a girl on the road. core-us: rain upon the water, makes footprints sunk in sand, anger upon angry hurt, take me by the hand, take me by the heartstrings, pull me deep inside, say i'm one with your forgiveness, separate from my pride I don't know what it's like for you, but here's what it's like for me, I wanted to turn beautiful, and serve Eternity, and never follow money, or love with greasy hands move the earth and waters, just to make it fit my plans my eyes would be the harbour, my words the perfect place, for a girl on the road (no chorus) I met you in the summer, I Left you in the fall, in between we did some living, I'd like to think that's all, now I see words can be like weapons, no matter that they're small, use three tiny words on you, and then beat it down the hall, does this road go on forever, does this terror not all end, for a girl on a road (chorus) you cannot measure what it takes, to mend a withered heart, they'll tell you at the onset, everybody does their part, I did my best to follow, the calling of my soul, it's like that first guitar plate, at the centre is a hole, at the centre is a longing, that I cannot understand, as a girl on a road (no chorus) if music be a boulder, let me carry it a while, let it turn into a feather, let it brush against my smile, if life be somewhat settled, with the life the song has made, let there be nothing i am longing for, in the plan I may have made, in some story quickly written, during a long forgotten time, as a girl on a road (chorus) Roy Forbes: Anna Marie (from The Human Kind) [cover] well i'm riding down the highway, no place in mind, looking through the trees, and the hills behind, my whole life is gonna roll away, all the strings are gonna fly, at the end of the road [what end] let me down to die. Oh Anna Marie, don't you know me anymore, I been so long out tryin to open the door. Every night in my dreams, every day out on the road, this love has gone way out of control.... Well it was late last summer, fires were burning bright, on a cliff there beside the sea, a warm and starry night, so lost inside your love, to the future unafraid, ... Tammy Fassaert: When the Sun Comes Up (from Just Passin' Through) [cover] ...I don't want to wake up, to the sound of your pickup truck, drivin' off in a cloud of dust, in the middle of the night, and when I see the bright sunshine, dancing on the power lines, I want you in these arms of mine, when the sun comes up... did you ever reach out for something, that seemed to be so near, only to open up your eyes and watch it disappear... Wyckham Porteous: I Would Stay Here (from Could it be My Road) driving cross the prairie there's a wind then a warning that a storm is coming from the south, and the sky, like a hurricane, though I have never seen one, I know every town has a motel... and then I, I would stay here if I could, but the man behind the counter says the farming is no good, and you see the only action is at the local auction where people's only option gets stripped away... ... Main Street is a river and there's lightning by the school... [ok, now I switch from the road to another group, on dance and melody+] Iris Dement: Sweet is the Melody (from My Life) sweet is the melody, so hard to come by, it's so hard to make every note run just right, you lay down the hours and leave not one trace, but a tune for the dancing is there in its place ... Leonard Cohen: Dance me to the end [what end] of LOVE (from Live) dance me to your beauty with a burning violin, *dance me through the panic till I'm gathered safely in* lift me like an olive branch, be my homeward dove, and dance me to the end of love let me see your beauty when the witnesses are gone let me feel you moving like they do in Babylon show me slowly what I only know the minutes of and dance me to the end of love... Sam Weis: Full Moon Tonight [there was, when I taped it] bells are ringing/drums ?work, dancing/nightbirds singing/ and romancing/ah--smell the rose that's in my hair/ now we can fly/here we go, on the midnight air/... there's a full moon tonight/and I want to go out dancing, dancing, with you/music take my soul/transform me through, hold me to you... [next three or so on night] Roy Forbes: Days Turn to Nights (from Human Kind) the words don't come quick like they used to/and I find myself searching my mind for a phrase/and this thing they call living gets more complicated/as the days turn to nights/and the nights turn to day/ /now I've been a fool on a hilltop... and i've seen some dreams turning into dead fire/as the days turn to nights and the nights turn to day.../oh moon, crazy old moon/why are you sinking.../why do you hide like a child/ who knows he's done wrong... Loreena McKennit: Dark Night of the Soul [I tapered this on and off] on the darkened night/the flame of love was burning in my breast/ and by a lantern bright/I fled my house where all in quiet rest/ shrouded by the night/and by the secret stair I quickly fled/ a veil concealed my eyes/while all within lay quiet as the dead/ oh night though was my guide/oh night more loving than the rising sun/ oh night who joined the lover to the beloved, transforming each into the other... Patsy Cline: Walking After Midnight I go out walkin'/after midnight/out in the moonlight/just like we used to do/I'm always walking/after midnight/searching for you/ I walk for miles/along the highway/well that's just my way/of saying I love you/I'm always walking/after midnight/ searching for you/I stop to see a weeping willow/crying on his pillow/maybe he's cryin' for me/and as the skies turn gloomy/ night winds whisper to me: "I'm lonesome as I can be"... Sarah McLachlan: Good Enough hey your glass is empty/it's a hell of a long way home/ why don't you let me take you/it's no good to go alone/ I never would have opened up/but you seemed so real to me/ after all the bullshit I've heard/it's refreshing not to see/ I don't have to pretend/she doesn't expect it from me/don't tell me I haven't been good to you/don't tell me I have never been there for you/don't tell be why nothing is good enough/hey little girl would you like some cake/momma said it's ok/the door is open come on outside/no i can't come out today/it's not the wind that cried at your shoulder/ and threw you to the ground/who's there that makes you so afraid/you're shaken to the bone/i don't understand/you deserve so much more than this/ so don't tell me why he's never been good to you/ don't tell me why he's never been there for you/don't you know that why is simply not good enough/so just let me try/ and i will be good to you/just let me try/and i will be there for you/i'll show you Y is so much more than good enough... . Leonard Cohen: I'm Your man (from Live) [I had to add a plea for X, even though I had some unlikely ideas on cooqueen with two eggs, last month] if you want a lover, i'll do anything you ask of me if you want another candle love, i'll wear my leather mask for you if you want a partner, take my hand, or if you want to strike me down in anger, here I am, i'm human if you want a boxer, i will step into the ring for you if you want a jewish doctor, i'll uncover every inch of you if you want a driver, climb inside, or if you want to take me for a ride, well you know you can, i'm human yeah the moon's too bright and the chain's too tight and the beast won't go to sleep/ i've been running through all of these promises to you that i made and i could not keep/ but a man never got a Woman back/not by begging on his bended knees/ or i'd crawl to you baby and i'd fall at you feet/ and i'd howl at your beauty like a dog in heat/and i'd claw at your heart and i'd tear at your sheet/and i'd say please i'm human... if you want to sleep for a minute on the road i will steel for you/ if you want to work the street alone i'll disappear for you/ if you want a father for your child/or only want to walk with me another mile across the sand/i'm your man/ B. Iris Dement: No Time to Cry (from My Life) My Father died/a year ago today/rooster started crowing/when they carried Dad away/there beside my Mother/in the living room I stood/with my brothers and my sisters knowin'/ dad was gone for good/well i stayed at home just long enough/ to lay him in the ground/and then i/ caught a plane to do a show/up north in Detroit town/cause I'm older now/i've got no time to cry/i've got no time to look back/i've got no time to see/the pieces of the heart that have been ripped away from me/and if the feeling starts to comin'/i've learned to stop 'em fast/cause i don't know/if i let em go/they might not want to pass... UHF: Don't you cry (from UHF-II) don't you cry/wipe your weeping eyes.../all your sorrow/ soon be gone away/all your sorrow/gone like yesterday... let me hold you 'till tomorrow... Ferron: Maya (from Driver) [I tapered this out after first half to save tape] /last night i dreamed Joni Mitchell cut her hair and changed her name to Gaia/she spoke to me, and called? me dear, and she said "you'd better push the edge of Maya"/you push the edge, you fall off the ledge/that's how it feels this morning/ i've got my ???/it seems like a very good day to be born in/ oh holy light/you push me through what i could never get through/ do we call this a second sight/so no i'm not sad i'm feeling good in fact/in many ways i've never felt better/i'm back from the war between should and bad/and now i know me down to the letter/ the hardest thing i ever tried to do/was stay in one place and just try to come through/i love me some, now i want to love you too/spend some time in the garden/oh, the suspense of it all/ a little seed in the soil, a little sunshine and toil/ can we call it a second sense/i can't wait for those carrots to push through/i can't wait for the smell of the morning dew/ i'll plant a sunflower and a rose bush too/i'll say Maya... [I once was treated by two nurses both named Maia or Maya] Tammy Fassaert: Carry you Along (from Just Passin' Through) gazing out the window of the Morning Dew Cafe/another cup cup of coffee and she sets out on her way/and with the radio a playin' loud/she drives across the land/to another night and another town/another one night stand/ so lady let your heart unfold/your stories to the world be told/pick your voice up and sing it strong/the words of your song/will carry you along... Sin'ead O'Connor: thank you for hearing me (from m.Wounded Child.UM) [I tapered this off to save tape. This album seems to be a rebirth one, she should come back further in future. I was disappointed at first but now can get her message of trauma and rebirth. At first I thought her voice too flat, perhaps due to inappropriate medications or inappropriate med levels, but now think it could be intentional. And of course the universal mother is not always gentle, she is a teacher of the oldest school (of both hard and soft knock{er}s). Anyone know how old Sinead is? Has she gotten past 27?] thank you for hearing me/thank you for loving me/ thank you for seeing me/and for not leaving me/ thank you for staying with me/thanks for not hurting me/ you are gentle with me/thanks for silence with me... UHF: Lifting my Heart (from UHF^2) [Ulrich, Henderson and Forbes] so i was feelin' let down/shovelling pain by the pound/ lookin' down at my shoes/i felt like a human in doubt/ really my inside was out/very hard to amuse/then i heard something outside/all about a golden sun/someone singing outside/making me the lucky one/ Your song is lifting my heart/your song is lifting my heart... Leonard Cohen: who by water (from Live) [tapered to save space] who by fire/who by water/who in the sunshine/who in the nighttime/ who by high ordeal/who by common trial/who in your merry, merry month of May/who by very slow decay/and who, who shall i say is calling/... who in her lonely slip/who by barbituate/who in these realms of love/who by by something blown/who by avalanche/who by powder/who for his greed/who for hunger/ and who, who shall i say is calling/and who by brave ascent/ who by accident/who in solitude/who in this mirrow/who by his lady's command/who by his own hand/who in mortal chains/who in power/and who, who shall i say is calling/ Loreena McKennit: Mystic's Dream [tapered to save space] /clouded dream on a moody night/hangs upon a crescent moon/ voiceless song in an ageless light/sings of the coming dawn/ birds of flight are calling there/where the heart moves the stones/there that my heart is longing for/all for the love of you.../ Kate and Anna McGarrigle: sun, son (from love, over and over) oh father, come to the window, look over yonder lake at the wondrous golden city, beyond the icy wake in my short life we've passed this way ten times or more and never did the city rise up on that far shore that's the sun, son, shinin' on the water it's not cairo, new york or rome/and a matter of hours before you see your Momma, waiting for you back at home... Sarah McLachlan: Trust (from Touch) [may replace with or add Circle or others] somewhere deep inside me/i hold a picture of a time to come/ a time of peace and simple leisures/and days in shadows not so wrong/and with my mind I'm struggling/holding on to what i believe/listen to the fragments of my thoughts that leave me broken and deceived/ cause I don't know the way/he said "I can take you there"/ i can show you places where our time has had no swear/ and as ?we walk the flame?/the skies will open wide/ feeling all the shame/for what's been lost inside us all/ it's a day in the life/in my mind i've seen it all/ someday soon for all to see/the walls are slowly breaking down/someday we will be free/ searching for a message/or so i thought/or so it seems/ the ignorance in the mist of udders/is easier to redeem/ i never question the answers given/to find the faith that's been lust within/cause where I lay my trust in others/ where it lies the ground is thin [midocean?] ... i know you say that you love me/if what you say is true/ then show me something that's knot deceiving/cause you, wood Ent, lie to me.../it's a day in the leaf... [ modified slightly :-) ] UHF: On the Edge (from UHF-II) hmmm hmmm.../i'm on the edge/i'm on the edge/yeah i'm feelin' kinda lovesick i've gotta get ahold of you/well let me tell you now you're my heart's desire/i been a hummin' that tune about a fever like Peggy Lee/my thermometer's cruisin' higher and higher/i'm in a mixed up state/i gotta get straight/instead of like a cat up a tree/ i'm on the edge... Sam Weis: When you Rock me and when i fell for you/i couldn't let it show/ i was afraid you'd run/i couldn't let you go/time changes everything/ and sometimes dreams come true/i'll say it right out loud/ i am in love with you/oh, oh, when you rock me baby/oh when you rock me in your arms all night, when you rock me i feel all right/ if there's a better life/i can't imagine how/your love's a paradise/right in the here and now/and when the world gets rough/ and closes in on me/i think of holding you/and how its gonna be/ oh when you rock me baby.... Patsy Cline: got a Lot of rhythm in my soul [What, er, about Lot's wife?] come on dad/get with the jive/let's let it know/that we're alive/ until the break of dawn we'll yell for more, more, more/gonna live it up and tear it down/get in the groove and paint the town/ gotta lot of rhythm in my soul... Quartette: Papere's Mill (from Quartette) [may add The Circle to other tape] the wheel turns round/corn is ground/there`ll be bread on the table in the morning/and the love may end/hearts will mend/as sure as the wheel keeps turnin'.../i grew up, chased my rainbows/ making mistakes like we all do/i listened to some who said they knew better/thinking it was better because it was new/but the wheel turns round... ------------------------------------------------- David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:53 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:21:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HII42FH7LU002LVG@pollux.davidson.edu> Message-ID: fte:53 Subject: Re: thoughts on Rilke... Jacob wrote: >Anyway, one of the things that most interested me in Sarah's music is her >repeated references to the work of Rainer Maria Rilke, the brilliant German >poet. I've seen her recommend his most famous book, Letters to a Young Poet, >on two separate occasions in magazine interviews. I discovered this book >several years ago, and it struck a nerve, to say the least. Does anyone out >there have any thoughts on the connections between Rilke's work and Sarah's >music/lyrics? I'm sure there are people out there who are familiar with his >work.... I haven't read Rilke yet; I almost picked Letters up in Banyen a month ago but went with Leguin's Going Out with Peacocks instead; I will probably get L from UBC library when I get through (or give up on) my last crop of library books. There are many books on poetry and mysticism, poetry and religion, poetic emergence, etc. Some I have read or am reading are: Poetry & mysticism. / Wilson, Colin Touched with fire / Kay Redfield Jamison. The White Goddess : a historical grammar on poetic myth /Robert Graves and of course many works on shamanism, including the one I mentioned recently (Ecstatic Religion by I M Lewis) have some relevance. I will probably comment further when I get around to filtering Rilke's work through my tangled mind. Are there different translations; and if so which translation has the best rhythm for fumbling? David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:54 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:51:31 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:54 Subject: Rilke, XY mixup, etc. I popped by UBC library to get the Stephen Mitchell translation of RIlke's letters, as recommended by Jacob, but it has been stolen so I went to the bookstore, only to find a different translation, which I didn't get. Instead I got the Golden Bough on impulse. (I'll drop by Banyen or Duthie's for Rilke.) While I was at the bookstore I skimmed through a biology text and realized that in my tape post of this morning (last night) I mixed up my X and Y (in word, not inward, indeed). Sorry about that unconcious fumble in the typing. David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:55 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 1:09:27 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:55 Subject: Re: ballot/Nettwerk I guess Nettwerk is concerned about illegal use of proprietary images or lyrics or designs on the t-shirt. If they let FTE do it then others may follow suit, so maybe they don't want FTE to be the thin edge of the wedge. Why can't we come up with a suitable t-shirt that does not break copywrite rules; i.e., a nice original slogan, or a distorted lyric, with an accompanying cartoon of Sarah (if it is bad enough, maybe Nettwerk will beg you to use their material)? Also, t-shirts are pass`e, maybe we should work on other items more suitable for fumbling towards ecstasy. But me, I'd rather be incognito, after some of the stuff I've written. David Message fte:56 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 2:59:01 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:56 Subject: Rilke..., mclimerick Thursday night I skimmed through _Letters to a Young Poet_ in the ~hour before sleep. I won't comment in any detail _yet_, but in it I did sense a kinship or resonance, and can see how it may have influenced Sarah's craft and life. Much of the book appears to me to be common sense, other stuff is thought stimulating, and only a little would I make any changes to (for example, I think perfection in union can be approached even without perfection in the separate solitudes if the separate solitudes are complementary and supporting). From reading Rilke, I find his writing to be similar in some ways to mine. You may find this absurd, because on this list I am intentionally frivolous, even outside the week or two each year when I am in poetic linkage mode. However, if I am responding to a cry for help or a query for information, most often on the support groups, I try to be serious even if in poetic mode. But I use such queries as a seed, from which to learn, and in composing the reply often clarify things in my own mind, or find out something new by dancing around the problem. This is what I think Rilke is doing as well, and indeed I would like to see the letters from the young poet to Rilke in order to fully appreciate the interplay, really a way to cowrite (notbull rite). Imagine if he had had e-mail! But then the book would be too long and rushed. And, like me, I bet Rilke didn't always follow his own advice. (e.g., I have given advice out on breaking writer's block, stopping procrastination, and resetting to a morning schedule, yet here I am at 2:59 a.m. again, not working on the nemesis). What was Rilke's personal life like? What poems of his move you the most (probably best to keep this to e-mail)? Later I may comment on the book in more detail, with the appropriate soundtrack references. But I will keep any non-S.McL. related Rilke discussion to e-mail to those such as Jacob who have expressed an interest in him. (But wait, everything is related.) I also will see if Rilke is mentioned in Touched With Fire, like many famous past poets and musicians, but don't think so (it is a good book on mood disorders and the artistic temperament). Any future posts will be less about me (le mess). ---- there is a human named Sarah she belts out the truly rare ah the trussed listener quivers [edits welcome] whenever she delivers her passionate oral lay, raw (Limericks are not my strong point, they've been done to death, and I always tend to the vulgar [in them]. But in case you misunderstand, lay=ballad, oral=spoken, raw=naked emotion, trussed=captured by the song, also pun on trust. I haven't seen the videos yet.) saraha=a moist laugh (not sahara; also I see dessert, not [to] desert) Enough, Good (k)night!? David D -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:57 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 3:05:38 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:57 Subject: fear, mercy, last? mclimerick Hi all; ReFear and Mercy, I will have to listen to them again before sticking my feet too far in my mouth (although my yoga teacher might be impressed). But I will comment that Fear could be about fearing a loss of self, i.e., when you find a resonance or "nirvana" you become afraid of losing yourself in the oneness. But that is silly; I forget exactly why now, but think it is because little bits are just as important as big bits, or more so in some cases :-). Or it could be like music. I have notes on that somewhere, and will dig for them before posting a more coherent but short (I promise) personal interpretation. Re Mercy, my creative fires are very low tonight, (and my pool game sucked), so "Passion lost taken stolen" (stow-owl-in). The Vancouver rain started in earnest tonight as well --- it pays to look at it as the water of life, washing away the dirt of summer, replenishing the air and earth. But I digress as usual. Bad pun: I try to "fear mercy from a pharmacy", especially those out to make a killing. Despite tonight's tiredness and apparent low creative juices, I decided to try a last name limerick, to add to the rough draft first name limerick, which was: D> there is a human named Sarah D> she belts out the truly rare ah D> the trussed listener quivers D> whenever she delivers D> her passionate oral lay, raw Here is a rough stab at a last name one but this took me much too long to come up with. this child of McLachlan fortified by strong djinn braves web of sea and leaf breaks bonds of pain and grief sings words of earth cracklin' I'm too tired to (im)properly vulgarize this one, other than the gin pun, and am not yet happy with the last line. But then I don't expect these to be lasting, anyway. I think I like the slang definition of crackling as attractive woman best, applied to earth (although it may be derogatory if it is from comparing a woman to a piece of pork), and I guess the reference to roast pork skin could refer to the ripe time of the sow goddess Cerridwen or something like that, especially as Nov. 1 approaches. But of course it also means crackling or cracking sounds from the earth, which I know a bit about. And of course roasts often turn. Uh oh, I had better go look at the seismographs in the lobby. (Seriously, I haven't figured out how to predict the big one yet, but it is a definite risk here in Vancouver.) limerick-pshaw, David P.S. de tour, Latcho Drom, as the movie of that name says (actually I highly recommend that movie --- powerful gypsy music, dance, lots of candles and trees and imagery, symbolism of the earth mother dancing surrounded by all the musicians; and mostly male singers throughout the film, prompting me to wonder "when does she sing", which was rewarded at the end, with a call of power. It was my first movie in many months, and well worth it. Oh wait, I hope that wasn't too much of a spoiler.) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:58 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:13:44 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:58 Subject: revised compilation tape I revised the recent (power of tea, tree, thee and three) compilation tape that I made, so here is a _brief_ summary. There were no changes to side A, just some to side B, dropping some songs, adding a couple of others, and reordering to make it flow better, although I'm not quite satisfied with the placement of Trust yet. [And no, I don't make coffees, except maybe for close friends, probably Tammy and Claire who are on it, and already Vibe of the W.I.S.E.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- B. (*-ed songs are new. I removed Don't You Cry, Mystic's Dream, and Got a Lot of Rhythm in My Soul, and added Evangeline and Atlantic Blue, and reordered) ----- Iris Dement: No Time to Cry (from My Life) My father died/a year ago today/rooster started crowing/when they carried Dad away/there beside my Mother/in the living room I stood/with my brothers and my sisters knowin'/ dad was gone for good... cause I'm older now/i've got no time to cry... Quartette: Papere's Mill (from Quartette) the wheel turns round/corn is ground/there`ll be bread on the table in the morning/and the love may end/hearts will mend/as sure as the wheel keeps turnin'... Kate and Anna McGarrigle: sun, son (from love, over and over) ...that's the sun, son, shinin' on the water it's not cairo, new york or rome/and a matter of hours before you see your Momma, waiting for you back at home... Ferron: Maya (from Driver) /last night i dreamed Joni Mitchell cut her hair and changed her name to Gaia/... and she said "you'd better push the edge of Maya"/you push the edge, you fall off the ledge/that's how it feels this morning... i'll plant a sunflower and a rose bush too/i'll say Maya... . UHF: On the Edge (from UHF-II) . hmmm hmmm.../i'm on the edge/i'm on the edge/yeah i'm feelin' kinda lovesick i've gotta get ahold of you/.../i'm in a mixed up state/i gotta get straight/instead of like a cat up a tree/i'm on the edge... . Sam Weis: When you Rock me (from So True) . and when i fell for you/ i couldn't let it show/i was afraid you'd run/i couldn't let you go/ time changes everything/and sometimes dreams come true/i'll say it right out loud/i am in love with you/oh, oh, when you rock me baby/ oh when you rock me in your arms all night, when you rock me i feel all right/ . *Claire deBrett: Evangeline (from Cadien: chansons du bayou) [new] (trans) she's leaning as she waits in the shade of an oak... Oh Evangeline, he's not coming...Are you rocked in the arms of the sea, Gabriel... (+ good cajun instruments) . *Ron Hynes: Atlantic Blue (from Cryer's Paradise) [new] what colour is a heartache from a love lost at sea what shade of memory never fades but lingers to eternity how dark is the light of day that sleepless eyes of mine survey is that you, Atlantic Blue, my heart is as cold as you... (not!) . Sarah McLachlan: Trust (from Touch) somewhere deep inside me /i hold a picture of a time to come/ a time of peace and simple leisures/and days in shadows not so wrong/and with my mind I'm struggling/holding on to what i believe/listen to the fragments of my thoughts that leave me broken and deceived/... Leonard Cohen: who by water (from Live) who by fire/who by water/who in the sunshine/who in the nighttime/ who by high ordeal/who by common trial/who in your merry, merry month of May/who by very slow decay/and who, who shall i say is calling/... Sin'ead O'Connor: thank You for hearing me (from m.Wounded Child.UM) thank you for hearing me/thank you for loving me/ thank you for seeing me/and for not leaving me... Tammy Fassaert: Carry you Along (from Just Passin' Through) so lady let your heart unfold/your stories to the world be told/pick your voice up and sing it strong/the words of your song/will carry you along... UHF: Lifting my Heart (from UHF-II) [Ulrich, Henderson and Forbes] so i was feelin' let down/shovelling pain by the pound/ lookin' down at my shoes/i felt like a human in doubt/ really my inside was out/very hard to amuse/then i heard something outside/all about a golden sun/someone singing outside/making me the lucky one/ Your song is lifting my heart/your song is lifting my heart... [Now here are abbreviated and slightly typoedited lyrics of side A] A. Ferron: Girl on a Road (from Driver) "My momma was a waitress, my daddy a truck driver, the thing that kept their power from them, slowed me down awhile, ... my eyes would be the harbour, my words the perfect place, for a girl on the road... if music be a boulder, let me carry it a long while, let it turn into a feather, let it brush against my smile... . Roy Forbes: Anna Marie (from The Human Kind) [cover] well i'm riding down the highway, no place in mind, ... Oh Anna Marie, don't you know me anymore, I been so long out tryin to open the door... Tammy Fassaert: When the Sun Comes Up (from Just Passin' Through) [cover] ...I don't want to wake up, to the sound of your pickup truck, drivin' off in a cloud of dust, in the middle of the night, and when I see the bright sunshine, dancing on the power lines, I want you in these arms of mine, when the sun comes up... Wyckham Porteous: I Would Stay Here (from Could it be My Road) driving cross the prairie there's a wind , then a warning that a storm is coming from the south,... and I, I would stay here if I could, but the man behind the counter says the farming is no good Iris Dement: Sweet is the Melody (from My Life) sweet is the melody, so hard to come by, it's so hard to make every note run just right, you lay down the hours and leave not one trace, but a tune for the dancing is there in its place . Leonard Cohen: Dance me to the end [what end] of LOVE (from Live) dance me to your beauty with a burning violin, dance me through the panic till I'm gathered safely in lift me like an olive branch, be my homeward dove, and dance me to the end of love . Sam Weis: Full Moon Tonight [there was, when I taped it] (fr. So True) ...there's a full moon tonight/and I want to go out dancing, dancing, with you/music take my soul/transform me through, hold me to you... Roy Forbes: Days Turn to Nights (from Human Kind) now I've been a fool on a hilltop... and i've seen some dreams turning into dead fire/as the days turn to nights and the nights turn to day.../oh moon, crazy old moon/why are you sinking... Loreena McKennit: Dark Night of the Soul (from The Mask=Mirror) oh night thou was my guide/oh night more loving than the rising sun/ oh night who joined the lover to the beloved, transforming each into the other... Patsy Cline: Walking After Midnight (from best of) I go out walkin'/after midnight/out in the moonlight/just like we used to do/I'm always walking/after midnight/searching for you/ Sarah McLachlan: Good Enough hey your glass is empty/it's a hell of a long way home/ why don't you let me take you/it's no good to come alone/... don't tell me why he's never been there for you/don't you know that Y is simply not good enough/so just let me try/ and i will be good to you/just let me try/and i will be there for you/i'll show you why you're so much more than good enough... XXX 000 Leonard Cohen: Y'm Human (from Live) if you want a lover, i'll do anything you ask of me if you want another candle, love, i'll wear my lighter mask for you if you want a partner, take my hand, or [feather] if you want to strike me down in anger, here I am, i'm human... ---------------- David soon off to do sound for Claire Brett solo; Tammy F on the 25th, KPub now off to badminton -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:59 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 0:19:38 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:59 Subject: birthday song/poem, 27, charities, nett werkshop Gina wrote: >IE: Since we have enough time for maybe 10-12 people each group we start >with a blank tape, tape a very very very short message to sarah and send >it on (I like Kevin's idea about saving all the stamps and sending them >with), then when each group is done the tape goes to the main coordinator >to be dubbed to a master tape and then she just get's one big audio >birthday card. We could also figure out how much time people have so >that we aren't sending her 10 tapes full of us going "golly I love you >and on and on and on" but just out happy birthdays and maybe one other >line of wishes and our name and where we are from. -------------- If the main coordinator has a good mixer, you could all sing "Happy Birthday" and then the coordinator could put it together in one chorus greeting instead of umpteen little greetings. We could even make up a special verse of HB. But we would have to time/space the recording of each track properly, although not worry about singing quality. -------------------- Of course, I'll probably just do a bawdy birthday poem and send it adrift in a net bottle. With regard to his, there are two (maybe more) problems in geometry and topology: 1. with reference to Ovid and Euclid, what is the proper placement and order of 27 distinct birthday kisses, and what pattern is formed by the "connect the dots". Of course this is an exception to the usual rule, in that the sound tech must maximize nonlinear feedback, in a moist regime, and still generate sparks, which leads to 2. assuming a circular cake top, what is the best arrangement of 27 birthday candles, such as to form some meaningful pattern, such as the smiley/heart/peace or a jagged sun, or some other pattern of power. Candle colours could be monochrome or 27 different hues. (Anyone know what kinds of cake she likes?) 3. what is the topological mapping between (1) and (2), and how does that relate to earth renewal? :-) (Uh, oh, now I've got myself thinking about the relationship between ice caps [icecream cake] and earth's core [applesauce cake]. e-Later.) --------- 27.5 years=about 2.5 solar sunspot/flare cycles 27=the number of days it takes for the sun to spin, approximately, which is a bit less than the lunar month which in turn is a bit less than the calendar month. Thus 6 solar turns, or about 162 days, is about 5.5 lunar months. 27=size of celtic battalions, which were divided into 3 groups of 9. A 28th was the overall leader. -------------------- I'm not sure which charities are approved by Sarah, in terms of a donation in her name as a present. But you should be able to choose a suitable one by listening to her music. Maybe we should each pick a charity and donate something to it. That way both we and Sarah would feel good. Animal rights, AIDS, third world community development, environmental causes, women's support groups, child support, mental health self-help groups, and more, would all be suitable. Also, what medical condition did Ben die of and is money needed for research into it? ---------------- In the Georgia Straight, Nettwerk has advertised a Nett werkshop opening special, for tomorrow, of C$10 (US$7.50) for a FTE full colour eco-recycled fibre t-shirt. Wish you were here! Of course it is sweatshirt season, and we all want FTE lab coats for fumbling towards MDMA (dr. earth). And I don't know any sarafanatics to give one to, or none who would admit to it; like me they are probably all closeted behind the scenets. But perhaps I'll swing by and D-scribe it for you and maybe pick up something (not the flu, I hope) for my two (twin) brothers' b-day Nov. 29. No, I won't mail anything, except to my long neglected six older siblings, two nieces, long lost (married) drinking buddies, and I'd better start on prospective employers soonish. David Message fte:60 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 1:52:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:60 Subject: rec.music.artists.sar-mclachlan? Here are some good points from James Chokey, who is the guy who successfully formed rec.music.celtic, regarding the newsgroup: first, one by e-mail: > Anyway, enough negative stuff-- on to some constructive comments >about your desire to start a Sarah newsgroup. I don't know whether either >of my posts have made it to your site yet, but I *strongly* feel that >going for a rec.music.artists.sar-maclachlan group is much better than >dealing with the alt.music.* morass. It's a little more work to get a >rec.* group created, but it's well worth the effort. Remember that >rec.music.celtic started off as a proposal for alt.music.celtic >and that rec.music.tori-amos started off as a proposal for alt.music.tori- >amos. This would be a serious, moderate-traffic newsgroup, and we should, >at the very least, try to get it created in the better-distributed rec.( >hierarchy. and a more detailed comment on the net: > A *much* better idea would be to go for rec.music.artists.sar- >mclachlan. There's certainly enough traffic on the mailing list >and on other newsgroups to justify at least *trying* to get a Sarah >McLachlan newsgroup created in the better distributed rec.music.* >hierarchy than in alt.* The recent establishment of a rec.music.artists.* >hierarchy has created a perfect place to put single-artist newsgroups >within rec.*, and the fact that only 69 NO votes were cast for the >rec.music.artists.bruce-hornsby proposal shows that the climate for >creating single-artist newsgroups within rec.* is much less hostile >than it ever was before. Besides, alt.* group-creation guidelines >explicitly say that serious proposals for serious newsgroups should >first be proposed as groups within the big-seven. > In short, don't create an alt.* group for Sarah McLachlan-- >that's the easy way out and it just complicates things for the future. >Try for rec.music.artists.sar-mclachlan instead. It'll get better >distribution, it will prevent a "split" between alt.* traffic and >rec.* traffic if a rec.* group for Sarah M. ever gets proposed in >the future, it stands a very good chance of passing an RFD, it's >what the alt.* guidelines say you should do, and, on the offhand >chance that it happens to fail, you could still come back to alt.* >and create a group here. ----------- I agree with much of what James has to say, except of course a renegade alt.music.s-mclachlan has already been created and it is unclear whether it will fade away or gradually be picked up, however slowly. I still think we should let it fade, wait a while, and get organized to go for a much more widely distributed rec.music.ecstasy or rec.music.artists.sar-mclachlan, given what James has to say about the milder slimate on rec.music.artists.* However, I need to get some work done this week, so now wash my hands of the sordid newsgrope affair for a while, and recommend that nobody else pick it up without group discussion and planning in future. A little family planning can save much long term pain. And perhaps now is the time to go for rec.music.artists.sar-mclachlan before alt.music.s-mclachlan gets past its first trimester? If so, given that my first, maybe last, extension year runs out on Dec. 31, someone else organize it. David Message fte:61 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 17:34:02 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: , In-Reply-To: <01HKUCW6KMNE90NSR3@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:61 Subject: Re d cabbage (was Record: John's longest massage yet) Hi Meredith; you wrote: >Actually, if you believe Dan Simmons, the Time of Kali is just beginning. >Read his excellent novel _Song of Kali_ to see what I mean. Actually perhaps Kali has gotten bad press as well, she has at least two aspects, one the usual destructive and dark connotations, which I was linking to the dark time of the year (not necessarily to dark women) and one which is more creative, linked to the discovery of the alphabet by observation of the flight of cranes, and the like. Perhaps in my response I should have just indicated that the gender imbalance in the palace of Karma (and perhaps kar worship) are due for a change, with the Christmas colours of the red witch (e.g., Isis or the like) and green man (Thoth or the like), with the monthly blood of woman and the yearly five days of the green man (won from the moon goddess at draughts) coming together to regenerate and usher in an age free of "les nuages noirs". And I like kale, and cole's law, although I didn't when I was wee D. [Perhaps tectonics can be re-evaluated in terms of cabbage and snake skin :-), so I may have to reconsider expandability of mEarth.] David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth doctor stud.ent ---- -- -- and UBC grad centre volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:62 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 29 May 1995 0:06:33 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:62 unsubscribe ecto-digest Message fte:63 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:37:48 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:63 Subject: Re: subscribe Karman wrote: >Please subscribe me to this list. Thank you--Karman Kregloe If the list address is put on the t-shirt, and not the listserv, won't we get a lot more requests like this posted to the list in the future? DRD Message fte:64 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 3:57:54 UTC From: David Dalton To: The Musils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:64 Subject: Re: Good enough for me Hi Gina; Here is a quick reply, I have to run do my laundry tonight. Thanks for the video and audio tape list, I'll save it for future reference. I heard Tori Amos do Cornflake Girl, on AM radio. I have heard her do the Smells Like Teen Spirit cover before. I agree that she is very talented but doesn't quite grab me yet; perhaps that will change if/when I hear her live. My supervisor met with the dean on Tuesday afternoon, and told me later that I have an extension to the end of 1995, so a whole year, but am expected to stick to my original timeline and finish around May. But I have some breathing room now. Now I just have to keep the momentum going and avoid slacking off or getting sidetracked. I'll write again, probably by the weekend. David Message fte:65 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 20:49:53 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:65 Subject: great immor(t)als (:~:) I accidentally deleted it (Solaris operating system bugs), but Rav wrote something like: > Sarah is the greatest immortal ever So she *is* "the laughing Aphrodite-type sea goddess of the tribe of Abraham" mentioned in Robert Graves' _The White Goddess_! Thanks, Rav. Isn't the "ever" redundant, if she's immortal? Or perhaps you meant to say that she is the greatest immoral? (mm oral-->tasty voice) I'd rather be a petit mortall (not a petit morsel). We all die the little death many times, yet are immortal. Who wants to be the same movie over and over, or a sea-quell? And, or course, on alt.music.canada, as part of the pronunciation thread, I said that the proper last name pronunciation was the GREAT m'glAUKlin, but that she doesn't have short wings and a chunky body, as far as I know. "heaven is a stranger place... than the one we've left behind..." "i shall walk between the fire until its heat doesn't burn me..." hmmm, smells fishy to me. Maybe we know superwoman's alter ego? (or is that superego's altar woman) But wait, I still haven't posted that M.D. poem ("Medusa and Dracula" by Mary Dalton, who is not M.D.) but will do so soon, what with the vampire movie. But, wait, no, I put too much garlic in my pea soup (fog) and I feel my soft parts turning to stone... saved by caraway, and a Coors light or two, to remove those stones. David, now off to do too much laundry (love, ovary and ovary, till the spin cycle comes to a bend) Message fte:66 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:55:33 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9314D0965E5@caelab1.cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: fte:66 Subject: Re: Mary and Mary Tracy wrote: >Anyhoo, I was listening to Sarah and Tori back-to-back the other day, >and a thought struck me. Has anyone else noticed a similarity between >Sarah's "Mary" and Tori's song of the same name? Sarah has said that >her Mary is (at least partially) about our home planet and the havoc >we've been wreaking (sp?) on it. And Tori mentions a couple of >environmental problems, like acid rain, in her Mary. Even without the >environmental twists they appear to me to be very similar: both are >about women who are having a rough go of things. I'm not accusing >either one of them of stealing the other's ideas (nobody would be >that blatantly obvious about it), I just think it's kinda neat >that my two favorite musical goddesses think so much alike. Whaddya >think? rollin', rollin'... rollin' on the river I don't think they think too much alike, they are just sensitive to many of the same problems. If you like Mary songs, check out the new CD by Bill Bourne and Shannon Johnson. And did you know the pope has an audience with Sarah a couple of days before her Vatican concert. (From a local article, which also mentioned that FTE has reached the million sales mark in NA.) dd Message fte:67 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:05:37 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:67 Subject: Peter Gabriel (stoned angel), SM and The Popes I have heard before, on FTE, that (the stone angel) Gabriel is one of Sarah's musical influences. For those of you who are familiar with both PG and SM, which PG album would you recommend that I try fir st? (I just heard on my pendulum list that PG has said he is bipolar, like me.) A few days ago I commented, after a Shannon Moore concert, that now I had to find a third singer/songwriter with initials SM. Well, I checked my collection, and the closest were Shane McGowan and Shocked, Michelle, neither of whom I have heard live yet. But isn't Sarah auditioning the lead singer of The Popes, on Dec. 14? Anybody else have any other faves with initials S.M.? DD -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:68 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:16:27 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:68 Subject: Re: SMs On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Dave J. O'Toole wrote: > On 30 Nov 1994, David Dalton wrote: >> >> > Anybody else have any other faves with initials S.M.? Oh, wait, I forgot Sue Medley, I have one tape by her but haven't heard her live. So that makes Sarah McLachlan Shannon Moore Sue Medley Shane McGowan Shocked, Michelle (but I don't really count reversals, except geomag) Symphonies ... Mozart :-) >> >> It's a bit of a stretch but: >> >> Star, Mazzy >> >Who or what is Mazzy Star? I haven't heard her, but the name sounds like a sleeping mother under the north star (or a sleepy mother who is a star???) I get the north from the y, sleepiLy. stretch, tea, time. DD Message fte:69 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:57:47 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: The Musils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:69 Subject: Hi + Re: Peter Gabriel, Tori Hi Gina; Thanks to the very insightful post on Peter Gabriel on the fte thread I started. From it, I guess I will have to pick up Us soon or put it on my Christmas list. But I also got recommendations for Shaking the Tree (after I had posted the frivolity about the fir trees) and So. Do you still recommend that I start with Us? Regarding your earlier Tori comment, I too like Smells Like Teen Spirit better than Cornflake Girl, and also often it takes a few listens before an album grows on me, and I like artists better after I catch them live. So I will probably get one Tori album, which one is your favourite? I need to find some new emotive CDs so that I don't play Sarah's too much and get sick of her music. But with my wide range of favourites that is unlikely. My tendonitis is gradually getting better, doing more left handed typing and not as much sound gear lifting. Thesis work is slow but steady. My biological clocck is much steadier these days, I'm falling asleep early, and have bought an air ionizer and a bright light unit that help a lot with morning slowness. The only thing I need to do is exercise more to ward off that rainy Vancouver pudginess. How are things with you? Write back, at your convenience, as if it was an old-fashioned letter. David Message fte:70 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:58:51 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <009887DD.6648F800.5@saturn.simplot.COM> Message-ID: fte:70 Subject: stone ground onions (was Re: David) Hi Lisa; You wrote: L> Since this isn't Sarah-esque, I'll keep it off the already L> cluttered list. Actually the list is pretty quiet these days compared to the days of t-shirt/newsgroup/intro/birthday discussion. L> This is more, The Stoned Angel; {where's L> that from anyway? Seems M.Laurencish to a fellow Cdn, but that L> can't be it}. The name "Peter" or "Pierre" means stone or rock, I think, or at least St. Peter was the rock of Christianity. And the messenger archangel is Gabriel. Hence stoned angel for Peter Gabriel. I guess I was in confuse-us mode again. I too saw the Margaret Laurence connection, but it wasn't what I meant, and I haven't read the book in a long time so can't think of any connection offhand (yet... :-) ). L> As a huge P.G. fan, I was glad to receive more info on him, as L> the small british address devoted to him wasn't much help. There is a newsgroup alt.music.peter-gabriel as well. And from the Musical List of Lists, which you can get from Finger finger mkwong@sdcc13.ucsd.edu Anonymous FTP ftp.uwp.edu /pub/incoming/misc.music.files/lomml OR ftp.uwp.edu /pub/music/misc/mail.lists.music WWW http://server.berkeley.edu/~ayukawa/lomml.html I just did finger mkwong and scanned for gabriel to get: GABRIEL, PETER listserv@listserv.acns.nwu.edu In the body of your message, to subscribe, send: sub gabriel {your real name} then, to receive digests instead of bounce mail: set gabriel mail digest Mngr: Joe Germuska GABRIEL, PETER - Usenet newsgroup alt.music peter-gabriel L> Tell L> me, what's the pendulum list? I'm kind of new here It's not really related to FTE, except that I mention it occasionally, and it is my other main list. The pendulum list is an online support group for those suffering from one of the forms of bipolar mood disorder, which can range from mild mood swings to, if improperly treated, severe mood swings. The intensity, frequency, length and type of the mood swings varies from person to person. (Unfortunately, it is the worst cases at their worst times and under the worst care that get the most press, so it is still tarred with much stigma, although less than if called manic depression.) A rather high percentage of creative artists, poets, musicians and others suffer from the illness. Famous living bipolars (who have "come out") include: Robert Boorstin, Kitty Dukakis, Patty Duke, Connie Francis, Peter Gabriel, Charles Haley, Kristin Hersh, Peter Nolan Lawrence, Kristy McNichols, Burgess Meredith, Kate Millett, Spike Mulligan, Abigail Padgett, Murray Pezim, Charley Pride, Axl Rose, Ted Turner, Robin Williams, Jonathan Winters, probably Sinead O'Connor. Many other living musicians or artists exhibit some bipolar behaviours but may be masking or self-treating it with alcohol and street drugs instead of getting proper help. Many of those will end up on the dead list, which includes: Writers: Hans Christian Andersen, Balzac, Faulkner, Graham Greene, Ernest Hemingway, Hermann Hesse, Henrik Ibsen, Henry James Charles Lamb, Malcolm Lowry, Samuel Clemens, Joseph Conrad, Charles Dickens, Isak Dinesen, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Herman Melville, Mary Shelley, Robert Louis Stevenson, Leo Tolstoy, Tennessee Williams, Virginia Woolf, Emile Zola, Musicians/composers: Hector Berlioz, Edward Elgar, Handel, Holst, Ives, Mahler, Rachmaninoff, Rossini, Tchaikovsky, Zimmerman, Irving Berlin, Noel Coward, Stephen Foster, Charles Mingus, Charles Parker, Cole Porter, Bud Powell, Kurt Cobaine, Poets (lots more of those): Baudelaire, Blake, Robert Burns, Byron, Coleridge, Cowper, Emily Dickinson, T.S. Eliot, Victor Hugo, Samuel Johnson, Keats, Robert Lowell, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Boris Pasternak, Sylvia Plath, Edgar Allan Poe, Ezra Pound, Theodore Roethke, Shelley, tennyson, Dylan Thomas, Walt Whitman Artists: Gauguin, van Gogh, Michelangelo, Monticelli, Edvard Meunch, Georgia O'Keeffe, Jackson Pollock, Rossetti, ... On the above "dead" list, some suffered from unipolar depression (depression only), but most were bipolar. Many mystics and shamans probably suffer from/are blessed by the illness and have learned to live with and perhaps control it. The www site http://www.ucar.edu/pendulum/index.html has a bit more info. I haven't been as frivolous on pendulum lately since there are more people needing support, which I offer when I can, so often I use fte as another outlet for my creativity. But anyway, after three years my "illness" is pretty well under control ("dance me through the panic till I'm gathered safely in"), although I still have low energy mornings and some creative late nights, and have to be careful at certain times of the year and certain times of the month, to watch sleep/alcohol/etc. (i.e., if I wasn't careful I would be severely impaired about three weeks out of the year, and by being careful I can avoid the worst effects and miss only a few days of work a year). L> L> Lisa L> L> PS: Did you ever finish the onion riddle? Oh, I was waiting for someone to attempt a reply. I'll wait another day or so and then post it again with reply, perhaps as part of a longer post. I will probably have some more answers by then, but for now: Q: How is Sarah's music like an onion? A: It is layered and some cuts make you cry. David Message fte:71 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 17:37:21 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:71 Subject: more FteRIVOLITY Hi all; Here are a few quick ones: 1. I asked "How is Sarah's music like an onion?" in a riddle, and nobody answered, so here are two ways, I may get creative and add more later. How is Sarah's music like an onion? It's layered, and some cuts make you cry. (and it comes in flat circular slices with holes in the middle) (and when it is ON I am ON) (it adds spice and warmth to a bland soup) ... (like a negative ion generator, it improves mood) (the nitrogen-oxygen ion NO whatever may be important in bodily systems, so I hear, but I don't think this is leading anywhere today) 2. Does a folk rocker folk rockers or rock folkies? 3. at Iyengar yoga last week, we did our one class of breathing work, and the teacher said that the breath should make a "sa" sound on the inhalation and a "ah" (or maybe "ha") sound on the exhalation. So put an "r" at the pause point and you all have your own breath mantra. Of course, while the breath is doing that, the deep body can go (ailm)mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMc. But that would be hard, to do upper and lower sounds or virtual sounds while relaxing. Watch our for those navel sparks, if hugging a Xmas fir. Enough, time to brave the Vancouver slush, and get some spicy winter food. DRD Message fte:72 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:33:29 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HKEWXE5MHE002NN2@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:72 Subject: Re: "Rambling towards...?" me >I doubt Sarah will go the way of the Amiga, because Nettwerk believes in >advertising... earth advising Major Tomtom, get the word out on the net >It did seem odd, though, that the RS reviewer hated "Ice Cream," A rolling stone gathers no (irish) moss. Now what does that have to do with stone age transportation? (Milk)shake it up baby, twist and shout... ??? >People think Sarah sounds like Tori; it's the other way around. Ah, the sirens softly singing... >And with that unique paranoia that Amiga users develop, Now this is what prompted me to reply. This reminds me of the recent "land use" debate in BC, words which, like "this point in time" and "in my own personal opinion" get me incensed (what's your favourite incense?). After all, life is a gaiAm, and users of all sorts should rightly expect fear. Toujours gai, mon petit chou! >_NOW_ maybe we'll get a real solid Sarah thread going here! There must be the >makings of a good thread in here somewhere... But if we pull too hard on the Sarah thread, the empress will have no clothes when she greets the pope of greenwitch villa. DRD -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:73 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:48:18 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:73 Subject: papal smear, charts, loreena comparison Here are two scenarios: 1. If you were Sarah, what would you say to the pope, in 27 words or fewer? (I think she should give him a belated world aids day condom with red ribbon. But I guess if I met the pope I would be n'ice in respect not of him but of some of my relatives, but maybe write a song afterwards...[hey, it worked for madonna]. Has Sarah been conifirmed?) 2. If you somehow got to meet Sarah, what would you say to her, in 27 words or fewer, that she might not have heard 1000s of times before? (If, like me, you would probably be tongue-tide, plus know the trials of fan antics, and in real life would like to give the artist respectful distance, just consider it a "thought experiment", along the lines of Einstein's relativity experiments :-) .) [I guess this could be a warmup for your birthday greeting.] ------------- FTE has been 58 weeks on the Georgia Straight local top 50 album chart, and is at number 28 with a constant. They said recently that FTE has exceeded the 1,000,000 sale mark in North America. Is Sarah still on any of your local album or single charts (or non-local B-illbored/etc)? [hey, that B... reminds me of Bill Bourne and Shannon Johnson's "Baggins", and the Vancouver Summit.] ------------- Aside (Loreena vs Sarah, round 1): Last night I went to Loreena McKennit and was moved by some songs but overall disappointed. That may be partly because where I was sitting I wasn't getting any good bass waves, or partly because the building and crowd made me uneasy (I wonder how earthquake resistant the QE is?). Also the tone of Hugh Marsh's "fiddle" sounded like nothing born of tree; it fit in quite nicely with the electric guitar and electric keyboard but not at all with Loreena's voice and harp. That could have been alleviated somewhat if the sound tech had removed about 25% of the mid range on the violin, boosted the high end by 10% and the low end by 15% to get the true celtic hum/wail sound. But I think he should also invest in a new pickup. He is a virtuoso, as all of Loreena's supporting cast are, but I was more impressed by Brian Hughes and Loreena herself; I envy those who got to here her solo in a small venue (such as Granville Island). When she did "The Lady of Shallot", I sublaughed briefly, given my recent onion post, but it also moved me (and even throbbed my right ring finger a little). Also, I mentally lined up the closing vocals on one track with some of Emile Benoit's stuff, which for me is a strong compliment (the last time I heard him alive was 25 days before Sarah's PNE show.) But anyway, last night Loreena McKennit did not leave me glowing afterwards as Sarah has sometimes, but I think she did plant some seeds. I will check her out again, preferably not in that building, and preferably not in the pre-winter-solstice pre-full-moon period when I am best home cuddl-hibernat-ing in front of the fireplace (if I had one). [Plus while the morning bright light/ionizer and other strategies have succesfully removed my mild morning low energy, now I find myself falling asleep too early and am more sensitive to smoke. That should be less of a problem after Dec. 21 but perhaps I will have to start taking a two hour post-supper nap before going out to party.] Sorry for the ramble, the main point is that after the LM concert, Sarah is still closer to number one on my list (time-averaged). Tonight I will check out Ron Hynes/Kashtin/Lennie Gallant, tomorrow Tammy Fassaert/Valdy/Tom Jackson/Bill HENDERSON/Shari Ulrich/ The BLUE Shadows/Rennae Morisseau/Straight from the Kitchen/etc. It's Christmas benefit season. Even Nettwerk, so I hear, has a food bank box in their Nettwerk shop. Feature live artist this week is Delirium. No thanks, I try to avoid delirium (guess that's why I'd like to help change our world). But I like those deli rum balls. ... lunchtime, obviously, or time to start my Yule baking soon. David Message fte:74 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:51:06 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:74 Subject: gymnosperm The list is pretty listless lately, I guess many are writing exams, gone for holidays, preparing for holidays, and many have unsubscribed for the break. I won't this year, but will not post much. Last year I didn't unsubscribe to my lists and came back to over 1000 messages in three separate spools that my sysadmin had saved for me (nice guy). In a book I started looking at today, "Growth Rhythms and the History of the Earth's Rotation", I noticed that a conifer is a gymnosperm and a flowering plant an angiosperm, one develops tension wood and the other compression wood. But anyway, the word "gymnosperm" is another link to the earlier "conifirmed" and anagram (cuts gym, fronds wet...) posts. But nothing new today. Oh, I think I forgot to mention Bill Henderson in my previous concert mini-review. He is Camille's dad, and wowed all on Saturday. Any more Freedom Sessions reviews? This week is a good week for me to avoid red wine, even vintage '55. David Message fte:75 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:37:16 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:75 Subject: Re: found video Debbie wrote: >my brother picked up a copy of the sarah live video in sacramento at >suncoast pictures yesterday... >he had to ask them about it...luckily it was in the shipment they just >got in that day but they only had one copy there. it was $14.95 but they >were giving out $1 off coupons at the door. >saw it last night. it was certainly different since we were used to >watching the whole show from under her nostrils. Ewwww! Shades of Gary Larson (insect time). David Message fte:76 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 17:43:35 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HKN0S7MIHE008M3V@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:76 Subject: 20 Re: Quest ions John S wrote: >That's one thing I like about her concerts, is she gives that fleeting >impression that she is _your_ best friend for those couple hours. She keeps >1200 people madly in love with her and no closer than arm's length, in a >perpetual tease, and I would have it no other way. It is not a tease, but an opening up, a baring of the soul, and I am surprised at her strength. The audience is not madly in love with her, merely that part of her, words and music, that she is inspired to reveal. These words can help to awaken the audience, but the artist must be left with optional solitude in order to continue to bloom. >That's the worst thing: finding out a song isn't about what you thought it was >about, A song, like a poem or aphorism, has multiple meanings, and often explanation takes away the beauty. Even the poet often mixes (or is mixed by) different themes, so that s/he might not know all the meanings, or might forget some after the red wine wears off. So even if you find out the main "official" meaning, keep your own, as long as they aren't of the obsessive type (or at least obsessive about Sarah, it is probably OK to obsess a bit about improving the world). someone else wrote >>Yeah, Sarah, you certainly are a babe, with the sexiest name I've ever >>imagined. Come tour down my way sometime, eh? >She'd probably kick your ass for calling her 'babe.' How many women do you >know, do _not_ consider that offensive? Yeah, many would tell you to take a BaBe enema (or at least the barium part, for heavy metal lovers (I prefer a little light metal). After that your ba (related to ka) might be a little damaged, or at least your bass chakra area. Maybe I'll try it out at the Grrrls With Guitars on the 20th. No, I'd rather stay out of hospital for the solstice. >But she _is_ just about the most beautiful woman on the planet. If you factor in her voice and mind, perhaps. But you say that to all fiery women, don't you? Actually, that is a big burden to put on any person, it is better to respect someone for their work and acts. >She has spoiled me for all other women... :) She has oiled me for some other [Ww]om[ae]n. Let me rephrase that: her music has helped me open up to passions of various sorts and become a little more aware of the fire in self, others, night and mEarth. But lots of other things have opened me up, too. However I am still frightened of moon goddesses, or at least some phases, and the broom which sweeps away. [today's solar daily report had a Type II SWEEP alert]. Based on late Dec, 1992, perhaps blondes in red stockings are a danger omen; lately med-shortish sturdy women with longish darkish thick/frizzy hair have been burning me more often than usual (at a distance), so perhaps I will make it to new moon, in safe ways. Seriously, it is weird how the type of woman who has yanked my l resonance has varied with the moon and time of the year over the last three years. Unfortunately none have yanked firmly, just enough to give some direction from below. And no jokes about how tastes vary with the moon (or perhaps saturn)! But I have given up on love for now, although not Love; since when you least expect it... John, I would recommend that you try to meet women who like her music as well, and turn it on while you both (or all) get off. That way you can all share your fantasy in a safe way (not in a Safeway). That reminds me, this fruitcake must run home and start my ANNE/Ellen/Mary (tri-generation) fruitcakes (moist, with rum, fruit pre-moistened by short boiling, no aging except freezing, and brushing with rum, so it stays moist, more cake than not). I'd better not touch the rum this week though or I'll Screech to a halt. Earlier today, though, when I stopped in Kitsilano Natural Foods to pick up my Chromium, I noticed some red wine extract capsules. They are having a bankruptcy sale but I didn't get them, I'd rather have the real thing, after Sunday. I also have to do my black and white chocolate cookies (2.3 cups chocolate, 1 cup flour...) for the W.I.S.E. potluck Friday, along with the Dalton's f____cake. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth Science pre-doctor ---- -- -- and UBC grad centre volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:77 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:10:44 UTC-0800 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Dec 15 18:08:01 1994" Send-date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:23:00 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:77 Subject: harassment, marketing and supernovas >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 3219 Here are some morning thoughts, handwritten after breakfast: The Usenet is rapidly becoming a major medium and electronic town hall. It is no longer the private play world of a few intrepid computer explorers, but a new way for all like minds to touch and find solace from the lonely crowd. But in order for this to be a seed of societal rescue, on the net _better_ than `normal' rules of behaviour should be observed. (Should we perhaps put more _guidelines_ in the welcome message, and include a FAQ about threads that have been done to death?) So today I asked myself "If this was the list of a musician friend, or other favourite artist, or any other list, would I be making teasing or other remarks about looks, sexual preferences and the like?" NO, or course not, that is a form of sexual harassment, even for tabloid-weary major stars who too many see as fair game. But this and other forms of harassment can lead to artist burnout or media influenced self-destruction. We inflate out stars for a short career, then sacrifice them far too often. Instead we must support and cherish them and give them growing room, and they will blossom through many seasons, and age like a fine red wine. (Who cares about all this image hoopla, we would all still love her music even if she looked like a stereotypical bad witch, right? And I bet loads of modern O'Carolan's would still come a carolling.) So from now on I will try to restrict myself to glowing reviews when inspired, informative replies to newbees, and some of the usual twisted but tasteful (no taco belle jokes!) word play in context or tacked at the end of a post. Also I will have to be much less open on this public list and more to my close friends and siblings, some who (perhaps luckily) know less about my recent life, thoughts and growing pains than you do. I'll try not to post anything I wouldn't occasionally say in mixed (up) company at the Railway, WISE or Koerner's. The most bizarre stuff I will keep to the pendulum list, a private diary, a slightly twisted friend/editor, or cast it on the wind. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth Science pre-doctor ---- -- -- and UBC grad centre volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:78 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 18:53:41 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HKNEOU6TIY8YB7KQ@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:78 Subject: Re: Videoless Meredith wrote: >Can you get dain bramage from paint fumes? Yes, especially red ochre, which all the bra mages d'Aine wear. :-) >Our living room got painted today >and it's a rather small apartment and it's too damn cold to open the windows. >My head is swimming. Urg. Yeah, I have had some bad experiences triggered by pollutants, but usually the effect is not permanent. I find that an air purifier/ionizer helps (may help more in July/August in city), and maybe masking smells (such as baking bread or spiced cookies or the like) might compensate. >ANYway, I had a disheartening experience this afternoon I just had to share >with you all. I went into the local Strawberries outlet and asked if they had >the new Sarah live video in, and got this response: > >"Sarah who?" But I thought owls like cranberries, not strawberries. :-) >"Hi Sarah. I hope you properly appalled the Pope. with a rotten apple, no doubt. >Hey, have you listened >to that copy of _RhodeSongs_ I gave you last spring yet?" probably on the road >"Fumes! Fumes! Quick, boys > The masks That reminds me about stuff about menstrual cycle synchronization due to pheromones and the like. Who knows what danger... David Message fte:79 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 18:58:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199412150602.WAA19578@uranus.calstatela.edu> Message-ID: fte:79 Subject: Re: What would I Say? Ali wrote: >I have nothing to say to the Pope, cause I'm not catholic. But are you cat-holic? (I guess that's the antidote to cat-a-tonic) David Message fte:80 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:02:40 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:80 Subject: Re: nostrils debbie wrote: >uh, i hate to disagree with karl, but i did occasionally glance at her >nostrils because i remember someone posting that her nose twitched as she >talked and i wanted to see it. Was it when she talked or when she listened? After all, that bullstuff can smell. And we all know she has a nose for fine wine. :-) David Message fte:81 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:12:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199412152158.AA29181@bigbang.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: fte:81 Subject: Re: Microphone covers... Karl wrote: >It also "de-directionalizes" your aspiration so you don't get >the "wind on the microphone at the beach" effect. (Maybe polarize >is a better word for it?) Does anyone know the size of the mesh (e.g., is it Vancouver sand size or Halifax sand?) It sounds like a simple diffraction grating, I could, if I wasn't lazy, work out any effects on high treble if any. But most of the voice slips through, like the voice of the earth through our grids or wire. >P.S> Cutting it into pieces & selling it reminds me of the > "Beatles bedsheets" type thing... sounds like bedbugs to me > Sarah is, after all, just a person. > Please don't try to deify her No, I wouldn't want to defy her. David Message fte:82 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:18:18 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199412152236.OAA00304@netcom3.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:82 Subject: Re: More about spitting... Now we really know that it is important to wet your whistle. I wonder how the wetness affects electrical properties/etc --- it may make sparks less likely but a surge shock more likely. Also that curved mesh could really be a mini-satellite dish, hooked up with Mork and his friends, or a little tuner to the local ionospheric bass harmonic. So now they play the spitoons (spit tunes) instead of the spoons. I guess they are bassball fans. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth Science pre-doctor ---- -- -- and UBC grad centre volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:83 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:39:41 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:83 Subject: Re: I speak of a great many things... :) Irvin wrote: I> On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, John Shepard wrote: I> Dalton sez: NO, I didn't say the following three lines, so the attributions have gotten mixed up somehow. I have never watched Conan. I>> I have a camera I'll rent to anyone who wants it... :) Seriously, I>> I sometimes feel like I'm the only guy who _isn't_ sexually crazed I>> over Sarah. I mean, replay our tapes of Sarah's appearance on Conan O'Brian David, who re-greats many things Message fte:84 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 19:57:55 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199412162012.MAA01840@netcom11.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:84 Subject: Re: Woo-Hoo! Elana wrote: >First off, to Near-Dr. Dalton: >Have you ever seen _Say Anything_? THe part where Lloyd Dobbler goes to that >drunk kid: "I have your keys. you *MUST* chill!" No, I've watched very few movies and almost no TV recently, which is all for the best since artificial reality can prevent you from coming into tune with natural cycles. And a *chill* for me, while it may be in order, is not always a good sign, since it can reflect a change in thyroid function just before a mood change. >I may not have yer keys, but maybe you should take a break from the USENET for >a while. Although I went ballistic on alt.music.nin yesterday. Oof. Which post did you think was too weird? The one about Saturnalia (blonde 1993, dark 1994, ...) etc.? Yeah, I probably shouldn't have let that out here, and will try to be less personal in future, but still playful. David "random mistakes tend to the pathes that miss takes" -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth Science pre-doctor ---- -- -- and UBC grad centre volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:85 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:04:39 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:85 Subject: Medusa had a bad rap, papal cart, deep roots (I've been posting a lot today, but that is because I haven't checked my e-mail in several days, so it is not a sudden surge. If it was, I would be writhing my own budding poems, not posting samples of my sister's polished work.) Anyway, you all probably know that Sarah's high school nickname was Medusa. What you may not know is that Medusa was given a bad rap by propagandists for the patriarchy. Graves _The White Goddess_ says "Phorcus was also reputedly the father of the Gorgon Medusa, whom the Argives in Paesanias's day described as a beautiful Libyan queen decapitated by their ancestor Perseus after a battle with her armies, and who may therefore be identified with the Libyan snake-goddess Lamia (Neith) whom Zeus betrayed... Peeping from his bag there is now a Gorgon's head, which is merely an ugly mask assumed by priestesses on ceremonial occasions to frighten away trespassers; at the name time they made hissing noises, which accounts for Medusa's snake locks... There never was a real Gorgon... The winged `Gorgons' in this picture are escorting, not pursuing, Mercury: they are the Triple Goddess again..." (I wonder if they could have used a mesh shield?) Now here is the "Medusa and Dracula" poem from my sister Mary's first book "The Time of Icicles" ISBN 1-55081-039-1 It isn't my favourite poem so I will follow it with a few more from that book and from her second book "Allowing the Light" ISBN 1-55081-073-1, including some that explain my feelings toward the church and some that may help explain my roots, some background for those reading my fumblings. ---- Medusa and Dracula Beneath a gibbous moon, beside a boiling sea Medusa and Dracula set out for a walk. He averts his eyes; She looks out for her neck. "So much _Sturm-und-Drang_," she scoffs, "All this blood-renewal, eternal life, That messy striving of the undead-- My lovers are luckier; One brave glance gains them The elegant serenity of stone. But then--" As snakes write in the pewter light-- "Women, labrinthine, wrought in you, Incarnate, their necessary image of love." ----- (Here is a seasonal poem, which I send to you as a solstice blessing, as the gypsy earth begins to tilt her dance towards the sun's disco ball once more.) ---- G R A C E _i.m. E.J.D._ She is at home In a room Or a poem. In alcoves Angling a fuschia For last rays of sun. Gauging the heft Of image and vowel. In her house, Chairs welcome Space, form to pour in, And windows, wordless, widen, Avenues, Allowing the light. ---- (Here is one that may help explain my preference for live trees to the churches made from dead ones. But my brother said it was partidgeberry time, not blueberry.) ---- the priest was plump belly like a soft-boiled egg face of salt beef red with fat and indignation-- Humpty Dumpty with a white collar large in pulpits. after John's love, or Mark's, raved of money named who gave-- how much-- shamed men with broken nails, calluses born of net, axe, and shovel; women bowed over child-bearing and buckets and bread thinking, perhaps, of him the women died on Sundays, after child-birth and rosaries after Mass and Sunday dinner one alder-red Sunday one more woman missed the blueberry-picking, the picnic, slid to the canvas floor unhanding the enamel wash pan, the seventh surviving baby wriggling in its suds he was soon on the spot-- a bad apple-- to settle the issue his Christly way his coin-temple cool: "oh yes she's dead all right--" might've been an insect, a plant, a boat, some amoeba two-bit Jeremiah, didn't know his doings-- did God's work-- vicious, he freed us from institution's yoke ----- (another one for winter festivals?) ---- now is the time of icicles now, Nootka, I cast off my summer name hold hard my winter name I am become Wolf anew dancing grinning among clowns drumming a song so vast it pulls your world down ----- (one for musical roots?) ---- like moving massive stone to write those days: out behind the house our father poised on his gray rock throne broken leg stretched out before arms enshrining his fiddle such content in his content-- rare content-- held in the dance the banshee twists the fiddle and the sun and the rooster's racket in that almost-cacophony the only true quiet in our house our father speaking fluent shackles fallen moving in his world of tune ------- in mist, in fire _Again music came on the wind but there was no thing in the mist but mist. --Michael Hartnett, "Survivors"_ i'm after saying these words are song, web, net, hooked mat-- reader, dear, you must not suppose these words are auto- bio- ogle, fact, report now, these words: his words: true words in the slow flame of his last days: "look, the wound in my side, put your hand in the wound in my side--" dear reader, can you hear? o do not suppose i'm after saying ------ the old men are dying vanished the acrobat lovers in their hunched shoulders the long caress of the scythe who will uncover those fields reclaimed by the dog rose coax out again strawberry lushness from caplin and dung who'll tell us now eyes dark, in pity and scorn my duck, sure you don't know what work _is_ ------ if i were water if i were water i'd lap softly round you you'd swim in my waving i'd coil you to dolphin you'd frolic in seas ------ Archbishop Saintly Pronounces on Condoms You speak, madam, of viruses. The cause of AIDS is lack of love. The best way to combat AIDS VD NSU Is to abstain from sex Before marriage And after marriage To abstain from adultery. So condoms are Beside the point; Of course they block The salmon-leaping sperm, But the best way to combat Unwanted babies Is to abstain from sex. The notion that I am a creation of Kinks Military Inc. Kinks Military Inc. Is absurd And blasphemous to boot. I carry my crucifixes In this ever-present kit. ------ David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth Science pre-doctor ---- -- -- and UBC grad centre volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:86 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:12:55 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:86 Subject: lady of the hake (was Re: SLC date) (Here's a slow fun-key one, I have the connections but not the kick.) Don wrote: >A limited number of cities that includes Salt Lake??? That's a first. But she does resemble the Lady of the Lake, albeit wielding high caliber words instead of an XXX sword. >Two shows in eight months, that's a miracle. No, only if she walks on the lake, like at the Dead Sea, afterbirth of the old lands, as the fan of earth unfolds. But that is more likely around those "hot spot" volcanic small islands. (This is impossible, but what if the earth sucked in some salt water and gave birth to new land, a reverse Atlantis?) I wonder if we go in a leaf progression of gestation times, based on the size of the earth, what is the gestation time of the earth? :-) But actually not only the size but also the temperature is important, and the earth is very hot, deep inside, and sometimes at those sensitive surface hot spots such as hawaii. >April 1............hope no one is joking about the date No, I'm kind of fond of that date, since it is another day of the loofa, and also on that date in 1949 Newfoundland and Labrador woke up to find that Canada had joined it (at 11:59 p.m. the previous night). And I am from Lakeview, on the Avalon. Nice to see a Mount Baker show on the list; a friend of mine told me the acoustics there are superb and warm. What is the location like, is it really on a (b)re(a)d mound? (i.e., in the fall, is Mount Baker red with leaves?) I caught SM (Shannon Moore) again last night at the Railway, impressed again, watch for her or her band Deep Julia in future, including opening at Town Pump in Vancouver on Jan. 6 (although I may have to do sound for Clambake at Thea's that night so may miss them). A solstice hUg and KisS to you all. (eek, lips [et tu]) . . David o x b i n g d a y, Sal ------- P.S. (phosphorus-sulphur) doodling: "cold fusion" experiments with "tap" water contaminated by benzene and copper (and rub-bing alcohol?) might work better than some "clean" setups. [unfinished, will try again with a whisk, eh, PuMice, and more de vine H ion, less SHsmoke, and not(evil) music] -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:87 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 17:52:10 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9412221957.AA01895@artwork4.cray.com> Message-ID: fte:87 Subject: Re:SnakePERM, mooning great white whale Kevin D wrote: K> P.S. to David D. Hasn't it been just a lovely moon cycle lately? No, this last period was a wee little bit unsettling, hope it is just mild morning sickness indicating something better ahead, and not indicating me in a pickle or three. K> Of course I notice these things as I was born under the sign of the K> moon. What do you mean by that? (Forgive me, I know very little of astrology, so I guess there is a moon sign, or is that like a breech birth?) What was the phase of the moon when you were born (or give me the date and I'll check)? Was it a Monday? I was born early, in more ways than one, on a Monday when the moon was first quarter, about 9 or 10 days before full moon. According to my 1968 lcal which I just checked, Sarah was born on a Sunday the day before new moon (so if it was late, maybe a Monday new moon for greenwitch time). [That was the required Sarah content.] K> I swear my moods swing most dramatically when it's full or on K> the swing to the last quarter. Always been a mystery to me. Is this true every month or just a few times a year? My moods can swing the week before new moon (either in a creative/high or low energy/hibernation way) or the week before full moon (either in a shaky/inward-irritable/introverted way or occasionally in a more romantic but stable way), but not every month, since the moon is only one factor (solar activity and weather and time of the year also play a role). E-mail me directly if you want to discuss this further. I think that last week I evaded the worst of a shaky phase by avoiding booze, but some of yesterday's posts may have been influenced by the tail end of that phase, when I had a Guinness, a Caesar and 2 Foster's at the Railway when listening to S'Moore and others. Ordinarily that would be okay since it is well after full moon but perhaps due to the time of the year I have to be more careful. Right now there is a coronal hole but the sunspot number is low, at 20, and my energy and mood are rather flat, even a bit low, so I doubt I will have any nice mild year-end high beginning at Boxing Day and ending at New Year's as I hoped, in which case the next creative high time might begin about Sept. 11 + 162 days or given the mild sensations last week, Dec. 13 + 162 days. (I wonder what animal or plant has a gestation period of 162 days?) So anyway, you probably won't see any mystic poems or the like as this seaman approaches the great white wall of the new year or as this sperm approaches the great white whale of the new era (what's a snake perm?) (from which side?) I will stay on FTE over the next few days, since traffic is low, but my brother is in town until the 27th (or 26th if a storm looms) so I won't post much if anything until the 28th, and will sign off my pendulum support list. Also there is a tiny chance that my brother will drag me to Banff for New Year's. But I don't really want to travel to banFF before resuming my feeble kicking at the walls of alma mater. Damn, I am tired today, hope it isn't a big dip but just the little dip before a tiny kick. I hope the sunspot number goes up to at least 75 soon, (or perhaps the earth's field jerks, or the aurora borealis loops down this way.) Bob Seger: "sunspot baby, sure have a real good time???" " Dec. 21: Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is expected to be quiet to unsettled for the next 24 hours, then unsettled to active for the remainder of the forecast period. High latitude stations can expect minor to major storm levels, especially at local nighttime, by the third day of the period. Activity is expected because of a favorably positioned coronal hole. " (with two limes, no doubt, and fire) DD, still avoiding being in cups, and trying to build DDqi, not iq at least until age '95 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:88 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 15:15:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:88 Subject: January contest Hi Cathy; My answer to the January contest question is "Rose Chronicles". Nice web page. Audio and video seem to be disabled on our xmosaic but I will probably figure out how to enable it with some environment variable and/or path changes, or recompile my own copy of xmosaic, when I get around to setting up my own home page for job search/e-resum`e purposes when such become necessary. David Dalton UBC Geophysics 2219 Main Mall Vancouver V6T 1Z4 pHone: 733-1303 e-mail: dalton@geop.ubc.ca (work address since CDs don't fit in my apartment mailbox without damage, I think) Message fte:89 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 20:01:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9412221957.AA01895@artwork4.cray.com> Message-ID: fte:89 Subject: letter to S[anta] (was re: snake perm ...) sum_mary: random notes, correction to sarah birth phase, and, at the end, more of my mood cycle analysis and predictions for those who are interested. (If I am right, I won't get mystical until around May 24, when Victoria's secrets and camping often merge) I came in today to check my e-mail, not too much since I signed off my pendulum list for a while. There was a party announcement on the coffee room blackboard (I missed it) from Shawn Marshall (note the initials) and after the address he had in brackets (Back Door Man). And he is a GLACiologist! Coincidence. But he was in Banff for a conference in May and managed to scam two free tickets to Sarah & band, along with crustal seismologist Phil Hammer, and they both were enthralled. And my brother was working the bar that night. (He was just here for a week, left this morning to drive back to Banff.) But anyway, enough rambling, here are some more notes on mood cycles, lunar phase, sunspots and the like, skip if you aren't interested. David D wrote: >According to my 1968 lcal which I just checked, Sarah was born >on a Sunday the day before new moon I forgot to put in the Halifax (I assume) birth time zone, and when I did that (lcal -z5 1968 | gs -landscape -) it still turns out that Jan. 28, 1968 was a Sunday and was one day before new moon. But of course the new moon really occurred in the wee hours of Jan. 29, or what we celts and musical party animals would still reckon as the night of Jan. 28. So if Sarah was born after sunset on Jan. 28 then I would say she was a new moon baby, or perhaps a very old moon baby. > (what's a snake perm?) Oh, a few hours after I posted that I saw a woman with a snake perm, at the Railway. Now if the hair was micro plated I bet she could generate a nice personal power source just from movement through the earth's field, and use it for her hypnotic vocal stone tuner (but I thought stones were already in tune?). :-) Oh, right, I meant to write stone turner. Kevin wrote: >K> I swear my moods swing most dramatically when it's full or on >K> the swing to the last quarter. Always been a mystery to me. I replied: >Is this true every month or just a few times a year? My moods >can swing the week before new moon (either in a creative/high >or low energy/hibernation way) or the week before full moon >(either in a shaky/inward-irritable/introverted way or occasionally >in a more romantic but stable way), but not every month, since >the moon is only one factor (solar activity and weather and >time of the year also play a role). Perhaps the cycling is affected somewhat by the lunar phase and solar activity at the time of your birth. I don't have detailed sunspot data for the 60s yet, but there was an overall low in the 11-year cycle around 1964 and an overall high around 1968. So I was born prematurely during a severe snowstorm about 9 days before full moon during a year of overall sunspot low (but probably still some small scale highs such as the ones I have been tracking this year) and spent at least those 9 days in an incubator. My about twice-yearly shaky periods tend to come that week before full moon, and the about twice yearly creative highs tend to follow those by 5.5 lunar months and fall the week before new moon and generally fade by or just after new moon. Probably your cycle differs a lot, but it would be crazy if everyone had the same cycle --- it is important for some to be steadying while others are flying high, and for some to be supportive while others are shaky. Perhaps two or more bipolars with different but complementary cycles living together would somehow stabilise one another. But it is more likely they would get on each other's nerves, especially since I have never met one with a cycle even vaguely similar to mine except perhaps through their writings. Almost all of the bipolars I have met in support groups fall into a subset f the shop-aholic/workaholic/sex-aholic/drugs/etc type where etc may include occasional violence and paranoia in extreme cases, and not a shred of mysticism. There are some exceptions (shamanic types) on the net, but none I have met yet in person --- maybe because they tend to be solitary types. Perhaps I (ha) will start a local MDA branch, MDA-MAPS (Musicians, Artists, Poets and Shamans), specifically for the artistically inclined and environmoodily sensitive. (I could probably start with a W.I.S.E. Club branch, given the few moody musician/artist/actors who hang out there, or perhaps as a spin-off of the West End branch my friend Gary started.) >Right now there is a coronal hole but the sunspot number is low, >at 20, and my energy and mood are rather flat, even a bit low, >so I doubt I will have any nice mild year-end high beginning at >Boxing Day and ending at New Year's as I hoped... On Dec. 26 the sunspot number was 46, no signs of flares, a weak type II sweep, very low solar activity, so unless there is an unexpected flare there is very little chance of a creative surge from me in the next few days. That is fine, since such late surges (as in July 8/9 and early Sept) are not nearly as good as the ones that start well before new moon (e.g., Aug. 31--Sept. 6, 1991 and Jan. 5--9, 1994). And I based my prediction not on a definite pre-full-moon shaky period, but partly on the slight shaky tail on July 9 and partly on the slight heat-produced irritability around July 20--24 (which I mentioned my review of Sunflower Sunday). If anything, I have been lower energy than usual this last week, and am fighting off a sore throat, and will probably be a very dull lamp at New Year's this year. >in which case the next creative >high time might begin about Sept. 11 + 162 days or given This is again based on a mild but long shaky tail to the early September creative high, although I place a little more emphasis on this one since the July 9 one was triggered by an all-nighter and isn't ranked in my strongest connected episodes, while the September one lasted longer. Thus I will indeed be extra self-watchful around Feb. 22 for signs of a mild high. But I don't expect an earth-shaking experience if any, and would assign about a 25% chance of anything in late Feb whereas the one below is more likely based on patterns over the last 3.5 years. >the mild sensations last week, Dec. 13 + 162 days. Yes. This one I am now willing to predict, 50% chance of poetic precipitation. I think I will get a positive return to the mid-Dec careful backwards tack (no exxon valdez this time) very near Victoria's birthday, beginning around May 21 or within a day or two after. This is more likely if there is a sunspot number > 75 and M class flares (and/or coronal activity?) in the week before May 23 and local weather disturances such as dry lightning or perhaps high winds (more likely back east) just before the trigger. I wonder what Victoria's secrets are? Also there is a chance I will be in Banff that week, there is a conference of Canada's top earth scientists from May 22--25 so I may go and (give a) talk or just hang out if my thesis is done (or if I toss my thesis into the fire before then, like a letter to S[anta], left-handing fumblings of the heart, borne on wood smoke to the earth's core, through the magnetic North Pole). :-) ? But my best highs have been near the ocean so probably I won't go to BanFinalFrontier then, unless job schmoozing demands it. For those interested, you can get space weather forecasts at http://www.sel.bldrdoc.gov/ and solar index updates, including most recent (usually previous day) Observed Sunspot Number from finger solar@xi.uleth.ca and probably other sources as well. Xi.uleth.ca also has an ftp archive of back data, but after Jan. 1 I think they will charge ($75 individual/year) for access to the archive and to improved daily and weekly forecasts. Happy New Year, everyone, and don't drink 30 oz of Screech like I did two years ago (stick to 5.5 [lunar months] bottles of red wine, shared), David, off to fight off a sore throat, guess I'll have to avoid transkission if it hasn't cured itself by '95. But my sister sent me some Purity (candy) kisses so I can always give those out at the aRCh or perhaps toss one to the sea, synthetic ambrosia tasting no better than the bit of tree sap I ate on my way up the thorn hill three years ago. ... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:90 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:47:05 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:90 Subject: the moon wax-off; music and mood; KnotS; Li P.S. sum-mary: usual ramble, but hopefully more understandable than usual. A little sarah content, but peripheral. A long P.P.S. at the end that may be of interest to any who show early warning signs of bipolarity. 1. obligatory bizarrity -- After today, I briefly doubted that KisS. While walking along Kits beach I saw a sign saying 5 KnotS maximum speed (for Walking in the Sand?). :-) 2. music and mood --- Do any of you find that listening to depressing but passionate/tear-inducing music can lift you up? Some tell me that sarah's music is depressing, yet I have recommended it to online people as "light in the darkness", although I don't think I would recommend it to those who have certain types of obsessive or delusional disorders, just those with the blues who need some fire, a warm voice in the wilderness with a vision that all can share (without disturbing it). Which sarah-tunes do you like to listen to when down? or to wind down? I often find it is good, when down, to listen to really depressing but emotional/tear-jerking tunes first, to attune with, and then gradually move to more uplifting tunes, maybe by the same artist, so that you get faked into coming out of the shell, by the changing rhythm. Sometimes classical or folk or even some rock pieces do this in one piece. That way the artist leads you through the fire. Today I was really down for a while, odd since on my way east along the beach at high tide the wind and spray and rolling waves perked me up, but after Granville Island (reclaimed sludge) on the way back west walking in the sand made me more down [perhaps it was because my heart was south and away from the bassy water :-) ]. When I got back I didn't listen to sarah, but got some food to raise the blood sugar, cranked on a series of songs from old LPs on high volume with the 63 Hz boosted, and had a tiny bit of rum/eggnog, Chilean "black cat" red wine, and tea/whisky but of course not all at the same time, while gradually finishing cooking a pot of lentil soup (which I gave a splash of red wine as well). But this has been a bad moon, with the shaky period before full moon from which I predict a high around May 24, and low energy over Christmas, and bad luck with the crane bag (my chef brother whomped me once at Scrabble, nearly doubled my score, like 461 to 237 or something, although I did scrape out two wins to his four while he was here. If I hadn't let him smoke inside I think I would have done better). 3. the moon wax-off ---- Tonight I should get an early night but have e-won two free tickets to the Bourbon Tabernacle Choir, although I may give them away and rest up so I can go to the WISE upstairs jam Thursday, Railway Saturday and possibly Commodore Friday. But if the cold or mild low gets worse I will probably hole up with music, books, spicy soup, small amounts of booze, my geophone candles [ :-) ] and a quick bundled-up dash to the beach at year end or new moon (which I think is around 3 a.m., will check). [a geophone is like a microphone but for listening to low frequency bass waves coming out of the earth, and is usually inserted by stomping on it with the foot. I have one magnetically stuck in the middle of a double candlestick from an old creative period, well before I read in the chat session transcript that sarah likes candles too (but I try to avoid the hairiest bits of the moon wax-off :-). Today was the first sunny day since before the winter solstice so I celebrated the solstice today with a late morning sneeze into the sun on the back fire escape, lit a virgin blue candle for the duration of Seamus Creagh's CD, blew it out at the start of the Came the Dawn reels (who's Dawn) and passed the torch to the sun, not long before noon, then hit the shower to get to the beach by 2 p.m. Oh, and it got cloudy again as I walked back, maybe that douched my mood as well a bit] i'm no good to anyone like this enough, David P.S. Today I was also speculating a little more about birth time and mood cycles. It is well known that people born in cold countries, especially those like me born in winter, are extra sensitive to too hot weather. I wonder if those born after the winter solstice are more sensitive to SAD? And a person's susceptibility to air ionization, humidity, pollution, lunar phase, solar activity may be related to the conditions at or following birth. But of course this is probably not true for everyone, just sensitives like me (although I've been told I'm cold and uptight, not sensitive, before, it must be the shield). P.P.S. don't worry about me, my mood dropped only to -2 on my scale of -10 to +10 today, -1 to +1 is normal range, I am at -1 now, but far far from the suicide plan (-8) stage (which I did only once, July 92, because of a bad medication), or suicide attempt (-9) or success (-10). [Whereas on the high scale, the first high in early Sept91 was up near 8--10, but the strongest bits were kept between me and nature, the one in mid June93 was about +5, the one in early Jan94 about +4, glorious solitary outdoor nights but family/friends noticed nothing in day, the short mild one in early Jul94 (which I don't count for much) was about +2--3, wobbly/playful; and the longer mild one in early Sept94 was about +3--+4, very stable but with a funny negative tail after new moon which I now think I can avoid by not drinking when I go high (as well as the 0--9 days before full moon). The few inward/distorted/panic-attack/withdrawal type episodes, which I now think I can avoid by avoiding drugs all the time and avoiding alcohol 0--9 days before full moon, or longer if there are any warning signs. Those were a mixture of cognitive racing and emotional depression and would probably rank about -4 depression and +4 energy, and I have learned to terminate them quickly, should one occur despite the alcohol restriction. They are nasty, much worse than low energy depression, since it feels as though the whole world has turned against you. Those of you who have had panic attacks from marijuana may know what I mean; I would count that as another early warning sign of bipolarity, for me, age 24, 3 years before the big one.] Luckily _low level_ lithium, which I am on at a level of 0.5-0.6, acts as a mild antidepressant as well as controlling the highs but not eliminating them. It loses the antidepressant effect at higher levels which some sledgehammer doctors still like. For someone with more problems with depression but some funny highs or perhaps running off to the thorny wilderness, or the like, late at night after alcohol, maybe a tendency to all-nighters, morning slowness, procrastination (which describes me for the years 1984 to 1987, or age about 20 to 23). I think that even lower level lithium, maybe 0.3 or 0.4 mEq/l could get rid of the depression and keep the highs from getting out of hand. I hope to drop to that eventually, when my lifestyle stabilises a bit more and I map the cycles some more. Then I could probably take 3 300mg lithium carbonate daily with my vitamins instead of six, and that amount depends on weight and metabolism. At such low levels the side effects of shakiness, weight gain, thyroid effects, cognitive and creative damping should be minimal, at least after the first few weeks. (But anybody who has mood changes should also get their thyroid checked, even if we are in the normal range we are often near the edge of normal range and still benefit from a small amount of Synthroid. I don't take it, but do take kelp tablets, along with lots of water, B-6, chromium, zinc...) So probably if someone showed the early warning signs or genetic markers they might benefit from taking as little as one 300 mg LiCO3 daily with their vitamins, or a level of 0.3 mEq/l. This might prevent a big manic break or at least soften it and the consequent ringing, still allow them to enjoy positive creative highs and get rid of some of the depression (I think that diet, exercise, light therapy near winter solstice and air ionizer in late summer help too, and regular sleep wake times and reasonable sleep lengths may prevent any manic break, all-nighters will hasten it). If there is a manic break, a hospital often boosts the level way too high, above 1.0, but it should be dropped to a level of 0.65 or lower after than, as outlined in the article by Jonathan Himmelhoch in the May94 issue of Psychiatric Annals. This allows the patient to still experience occasional creative bursts, such as the one I hope for around May 22--26, which are fine as long as the patient makes sure to get some sleep (for me, at least 4 hours when up), and avoids booze or other drugs while high if not at other times (who needs booze when you have a natural high, anyway). Eventually I would like to figure out how to come off lithium, but won't until I know how to do it safely, and can stop being so uptight, and learn to relax and let go when appropriate (but for now, self-monitoring is essential so that I can learn more about this blessing/illness and avoid becoming a bad e-z-street poet). At least I won't be taking Poor-Z-AC, like many who are playing games with their organs (that stuff would probably knock me sky high, in an unnatural way; in fact I bet that Prozac is responsible for triggering many manic attacks which otherwise might never have occurred, so anybody taking it should taper it on very slowly, and if there are signs of a too-high breakthrough, back off and maybe add small amounts of lithium, which can augment the antidepressant and prevent any manic breakthroughs.) That's enough (probably too much). If anyone has any questions about mood and/or drugs or related matters, feel free to e-mail me and I will try to help you, confidentially, or pass the query on to the larger mailing lists (with name deleted if you like, or some use pseudonyms or anonymous access on these lists). But I am sure I will mention my mood on here in future since for me music, mood, mysticism, passion, poetry,... are all hopelessly entwined, like multiple love-making snakes (actually I don't know much about biology... ). Damn, my cold has gotten worse while I've been sitting here. Maybe loud live music and sh-smoke will cure it? No, I think my body is telling me to get to bed. I think that my temporary breaking of my lacto-ovo-fish-veg diet for Christmas with my brother has done me in. Maybe I'll have to give away my R.C. confirmation of admission (NY ticket) and have a private party of one. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:91 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 2:25:37 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:91 Subject: id, the crack of ms night --------------------- sum_mary: bad poetry play on, solace tunes sunspot cycle, outlined by dragon mythology, mood, and magnetism long queen of the underground ing janus gate p.s. : hoppy new year (clinkages) p.p.s: foot notes*** ----------------- she room Ok, first some light bath poetry (came in the bath): through window pass I on ----------- words in the sky music in the earth me in between song to give birth (so I guess I have plenty of words but will have to go down deep, or meditate more, to let the music out) There is better and worse poetry at the other end (pre-p.s.). some puny stuff: It wasn't too hot a bath, so it isn't S-called"Ick!" poetry b'y this S-ha-man (or one of a small circle of S-high-men?) What artist drew us, to the rhythm of the sea? (see below, in both ways) Some corrections to previous posts: a) it was a green candle, not a blue candle, it was a slip of the thumb, my white, blue, red ones are shorter, in that order b) Banff doesn't have the sea, but it does have hot springs. That reminds me of a talk by geology head Sue Kieffer showing models of geysers, volcanic plumes, etc, curling around. At the time it looked to me like a great snake coiling around to reveal a foetal shape, drawn by the rhythm of mother. c) I mentioned that the alphabet was drawn from the flight of birds, but on Kits beach I noticed a single crane on a rock, and it could form the shape of many letters alone, including the S. Also other curved letters are related to other important curves. d) Tongue in cheek, I asked "Who's Dawn?", but when I came in today there was a fresh copy of University Affairs there with a powerful native woman named Dawn on the cover, so perhaps the time has come for a new dawn for the people of this land, and for strong women. (I also got a copy of the latest SEDI Deep Earth Dialog bulletin, but won't digest/critique those 21 pages for a while.) Well, Wednesday has turned to Friday, my cold has improved markedly (but not enough for ecstatic dancing at The Commodore tonight), and YES my mood has popped up to +1--2 after last night, so I may get three wee drops before the cauldron cracks, [as long as cindy rella doesn't get me with her broom while i'm still hot (???)]. So anyway, I came in to share what will be the third post, but first drop of true inspiration in a while. But I want to get out of here before the crack of midnight, so it will probably be longer than necessary and a little disjointed. It was done on nonlinear scraps of paper so probably I will redigest it later, as with most of my stuff, during the lean times, quoth Jack (Spratt). I figured I would post it in case my apartment burns down or I get run over or something, or lightning crashes the system, I hope not since late lightning (or solar flares) are bad for the cauldron tender. Some of the following (and above) was inspired by Solace again, some by reading the first five chapters of Taliesin by John Matthews last night, although I had already seen much of it before in other sources, and found the muddled straight translations more interesting than his gay (in the old sense) interpretations. So what follows will contain some references to muSic, some to other music, some to earth music, and some to celtic mythology. You may ask "why the hell are you posting it here, and not some place like alt.pagan or soc.culture.shamanism or pendulum?" Well, I will post it to pendulum, but after I see what happens in the next few days. (e.g., as I drift from overworld to underwearld over the 3.7? years, am I getting later, so that the new moon cauldron crack limit doesn't apply? No, I'd better not push my luck, lest bantEMS get PMS, and not add grain spirits to the fire, just a LIttle bubbly Bath.) If I posted it to alt.pagan, no doubt most would ignore it, and some dry academic who doesn't know the meaning of midnight (the crack of Ace) would flame me. And soc.culture.shamanism is moderated, so I would have to narrow it down, the moderator won't let me post there until the descent to the underwearld, if any, or until my mooD jumps over the sacred cow. (?) Would some far-eye-seer tell this scribe what that last bit means? Hey, does that mean that seerS are far-sighted while I am super-near-sighted? (scribes and pharisees) Also I need to remove the Smusic treeferences that wouldn't be picked up on by those groups, not of the sarafam. Some of those old writings. though, the locker room guys (probably not the real stars) made themselves to be bigger than they were, like they were master of the elements when really they were like blind mice saying "here, pussy, pussy, pussy" to the mewses. (bob bit a dam's appelle) Rather, the shaman is partner and tool of the elements and muses. OK, the last post on the sunspot cycle go me thinking; we are now in a low period, so should I expect an 11-year repeat of the long term low intensity depression that plagued me the worst in 1985 and 1986 but had it's beginnings in the summer of 1984? Add 11 to that and you get 1985. But then I realized, that there are twin peaks in geomagnetic activity, one following the solar high by 2--3 years, one slightly lower one that lags the next high by maybe one year (the one exception to this on my plot is the 1934 low in everything followed first by the solar high not the slightly smaller twin peak, I wonder that affected the war. For those who are interested, the latest solar peak was about 1989, but the right shoulder of the peak was still quite high when I was triggered on Aug. 31, 1991. I'm not yet sure how it compares to the peak just before the 60s, which was the biggest one since 1650 at least. (Although some are shorter but thicker.) For any art, music or other history buffs out there (when did Rilke have his big productive period, e.g.?): Other solar peaks have been in 1717, 1728, 1738, 1750, 1762, 1771, 1779, 1789, 1802, 1817, 1829, 1839, 1849, 1861, 1871, 1883, 1893, 1905-6, 1917, 1928, 1937, 1948, 1958, 1968-71, 1980-81, 1989-91 (of course polarity flips from one to the next, as the sun's magnetic bi-pole reverses, so perhaps musical effects will differ from e.g., 60s and 70s.) The biggest peak from 1645 to 1985 is the one just before the 60s, and the one before the 70s was 2/3 that, the one in the early 80s was perhaps 85% as big as the one in the 60's but slightly fatter. The plot doesn't go past 84, but it looks like a low in 1985 and high from 89--91, now we are getting into a low again, but with small scale highs. The 89--91 peak was high, too, I think, at least it was more than good enough for me. There was an unusual extremely low period from 1645 to 1715, a very low period (the Modern minimum) at the turn of this century, and another (the Dalton momimum) in the early years of the 19th century. In general, the periods from 1725 to 1745, 1765 to 1790, 1832 to 1875, 1912 to now have been more spiky (or spike-heeled? not my style, I keep those feet close to the one who possesses my sole ). To get back on track, the 1985--86 depression was probably lubricated by the low sunspot period, and while I can see other signs of an eleven year low level cycle of introversion/extroversion in my life, other factors also played a role. These included degree completion stress, alcohol, moving to a strange city at the wrong time of the year, living alone, and incompatible short relationships (it helps to pre-date, to avoid the predators). This time around, I know I can avoid some of these and am mature enough to weather the others. Still, I will have to use all I have learned and more, get back to root and hearth, and learn how the queen of the underground (earth activity) can help me get through the lean times without wasting away to nothing. This follows the usual progression of the shaman, from an udderworld initiation, learning curves, and then the descent to the underwearld. So in Sept91 I went through the heart of the sun to find a blue rose, representing the surface/sky light of sun, earth and moon in Jan94 hugged the green alpine fir bridging sky and earth, and I project in May94 will have to learn more about the fire of earth, a red Beltane (in chilly Canada, Victoria's birthday will do) camp fire, bright blood of life on this spherical sacred mound that will somehow keep my spear bright throuugh the low tide of the sun. :-) Victoria's birthday falls on a Wednesday this year, although the party might be on the Friday night. ------- In the last three drops (nights before new moon): I won't drink lest I become lost in the darkness of the land when the cauldron is shattered and broken (is that related to the levee breaks?) - I always leech off (share) the dreams of others since I don't remember my own dreams (many years ago, my sister Anne had a weird dream in which I was a Frog -- but really my oral francais needs work, it sucks) grrroan That bit was inserted because, for me, S music contains lots of dreamy archetypal/symbolic links, and it is those, among other influences, that have inspired me, often unconsciously. So once again, probably the Strongwriter's conscious intention was far different from what I draw from it. But that is the beauty of poetry, it evolves. I've always been still a bit confused by Into the Fire --- I know I fulfilled the sun part and thought I have fulfilled the fire part (by going through pain and psychic torture); I always thought the sun and fire came together but now it looks as though the fire is delayed, so shamans (shymen) need to focus on binary sky objects first (sun/moon, sea/sky, tulips/roses, milky/way) and then bridge it to the earth (by tree trunk), and then go down (MD -- Mighty Devil -- Tom Waits) to the queen of the underground (Sue Medley song) and sooth Helen's itch (Shane McGowan slurred vocals). (Sir, no nose down there [Nyet-Z tonight]). Victoria: "Where the cluck are my secrets?" Me: "Here, here, in this precious little bit of you, rub this dull lamp to get a bright spear for your sacred mound, and secrets to share" :-) (or really: perhaps through the lean years on this sacred mound the bright spear will turn into a dull lamp, but there's the rub) solace --> in detained sowbelle fire Beltane ---> detained belle, or belle de Tain. analogy of delayed geomag response after solar pumping and a necessity to go down to the queen of the underground. I am a speck of water, boiling away deep in the fiery hollow between the musical lovers (Earth, Sun, Moon, each with three phases, for many combinations), and fumbling for their pleasure, as it resonates in me. So anyway, one of my New Year's resolutions (in addition to exercising mm-ore) is to graduate from being a sol-itary mystic to eventually become a terra-tiary one. In poker, three three's beats a sole ace hands down (hey, I'll have to try the handstand again, if my tendonitis gets better). The sun's high period that began my journey is over, now it is almost 10 years after the start of my last long term depressive period, and to avoid this I must pledge service to the queen of the underground (which goes with my degree, although I don't think I'll finish it, who wants to be a PHuDdy duddy anyway, it might be better to be a feted aide), re-learn the ways of earth, live at a power spot (in geomancy terms) with comrades of lik mind, and possibly use meds/drugs/roots to get through the worst storms. 2doodlings: ------ mercy --> mer, sea or mare, sea (mer=sea in french) 1 will not 4-get you --> 1 will 3-get you! (i don't know how the above two lines are linked, if at all, but perhaps it is related to Branwen's muffins) May Day, SOS ----------------- fire, warm my hagrrrl [this i juggled on the computer, unfinished?] from the sin gal lie with hern's stole, passion mouth ice, river breaks ... -- free for a smile free for a kiss penny for your oughts all I share should be free [that's why i post humus] - Now I'm getting juvenile again so I'd better go home and get some rest before the crack of midnight (actually looks like I'll get the 12:12 bus t home) so I can can be of cheery but stable demeanor for the runaway train, Ol '95, (delanne, shannon, and good vibe, and mm ore). [Actually I don't know delanne and shannon too well y, just had to throw in the Del Shannon ref. Plus I bet you don't have a raven piper at your party, although I doubt he likes bran muffins, more brand xx.] and now, at the crack of the bat, but intending to sleep through the crack of don (?sea dream?), [don is welsh godess] [ohhhhh, ha-ha, slip. sorry. gonggggg! (qi argo)] looks like time for for REM, not reams of sh-it. Good enough, night! David a m . . . short (not li length) p.s.: i'll probably do some more stuff on paper tonight, or in head, but won't post again here until Jan. 3 at least, well after the janus gate closes. DO NUT WHIR, EH, & BEER, HOPPY, WEN YEAR!!! (but don't get wan-faced) [anybody read Gateway?] wen = people who come from womb? when is easter this year? (hoppy) guess i'll have to get a calendar (hey, is there a sarahart calendar yet?) You know, I think I'll save money on booze this year, and not by home brew (but by Home brew), or a switch in drinking habits. [hare, hare] c link ages... D p.p.s.: oh, i forgot to type in the marginal notes made in the first five chapters of Taliesin (lies in tain?) 3 drops = 3 days before the new moon Arianrhod = last nine days of waxing moon blerwm=marble arches ninth wave=9x11 or 9x22 years so centennial or bicentennial patterns? or right thumb + nine others or nine months gestation (280 days, a preemie could be 9 lunar months or less, say early in the ninth lunar month, now i have to go check my officemate's tidal charts) grain discovered=premature baby dead/alive hairy/pretty silent/poetic dull/radiant=depressed/manic afadddu=depressed, taliesin=manic side of same person also amairgen, transformed also see Touched with Fire by K. Jamison sidhe mound (faery mound)=mound of venus, linked to right thumb? "sheltered glade with a mound in the centre" and moisture, no doubt(fire). p. 37 hail stones ---> they hit my dome in 84 ealier when I looked up the solar peak to geomag peak separation I hoped in would be about 3.7 years but it is less, rather the 3.7 years looks like the solar peak to geomag low fire separation, so the separation from the solar peak to the lighting of the next geomag fire. Now if that is true maybe I can get a paper out of it later (but i don't smoke :-) ). That is a rough number, which I will test later with ruler and calculator, but it is one piece of evidence to add to the projection of Dec. 13 + (162ish) days for something to happen. Next, back to the book: circular stones in bath for heat, may contain lithium p. 61: after a period of four years p.71: women cooled cuchulainn by three cold baths this could be over three days or it could involve three lOves (or just the fact that a cold night can dim passion) p.74: the sea cured the depression of Suibhne p. 90: "seven years your right, under a flagstone, in a quagmire" I take this to be the period between my earliest manifestation of depression, late summer 1984, and the solar manic trigger, late August 1991, although I was only in deep in late '85 and 1986. Then in the 11 year cycle this might again indicate a near-4 year gap from then to the underworld initiation. "you will be, for a time, a dr-iud, perhaps." this i take to mean that it is episodic, but some remains if you stay alive and well and not too medicated (maybe e.g., li 0.4 during slow years and 0.6 during high) p. 106: i know who made the great pole --> dipole (or bi pole) p. 108: madness = "waxiness" (which my brother clobbered me with at scrabble, w in the corner meeting an s at the other triple, i forget if x was on a double, major points) p.118: arianrhod=waxing to full moon, ceridwen=waning to new moon, lake of mammary p.119: the most important bit, last, and it was glossed over by Matthews: (i have revised it, but not to metre, will fix later maybe) of a muse that raises mediocrity seven score moon muses they are in the inspiration of a song eight score nights in every verse in the great abyss of depression in the great abyss of dysphoria in the fire within the earth in the air above the earth" SO: "seven score muses" = 140 muses =140/3 moons= (round) 47 moons or about 5 times the human gestation period, or about 3 years and nine months (3 yrs + human gestation period) so counting from the new moon of Sept. 6, 1991, we get 47 moons --> July! Hey, wait, I wanted May. Maybe he was rounding up from 135 muses, in terms of scores. "eight score muses" = eight score nights, or 160 nights, which lines up nicely with my observations of 160--164 days from Arianrhod's prison to Ceridwen's bower. so, Dec. 13 + 162 days = May 24. --------------------- funny? story: i went to the candy machine, pumped in a dollar or spare change (reminds me, i was going to write a poem about spare change for new year) and as the last coins dropped down, I mused "what will i eat?". W1ell, one coin must have been too hot, it failed to register and i picked it out of its slot, it was a canadian nickel, right side up. But i'm a seafood type! Anyway, I gave it a rub to cool it off, put it back in the machine, hit two buttons at random, and ended up with something I would never get normally, a FI-BAR. Wonder if that is related to a fubar, or a bi fart. ------------------ now i'm leaving at the crack of 2:42, and think this will be the only, and wee, drop this month, after all it's only precursor 160 days ago was some heat irritability before and at the sunflower sunday concert. But probably a bad headliner would have done me in. And, what does the I Ching say about the crack of three? Sounds like pool, to me, so I guess sleep will divide days at five. D en D! i.e., i am not editing this down now, even if that is sedition. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:92 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 9 Jan 1995 12:59:43 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:92 Subject: sorry about the extra weird posts last week Sorry about the weird posts late last week, I was in a shaky state, it seemed to peak on Friday after the last post, was still bad Saturday at the Railway, and has improved a bit since then. (It started out as a mild high, but turned into a depressive episode, due to some bad linkages.) And, no matter what I said in my earlier post, no cannot sound like know, or where there is doubt, assume no. David Message fte:93 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 13:50:42 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HLDS28MO0I8WVYV4@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA> Message-ID: fte:93 Subject: Re: SARAH SINGING 'DEAR GOD'!!! I'M ESTATIC!! (is that S-tatic cling?) DonW wrote: >*ANGRY* song... if she pulls it off, it has a damn good chance of becoming >one of my favorite songs ever. She is a *VERY* talented singer, but this just >doesn't seem to be a Sarah-type song. If she tries to slow it down and sing >it as a typical Sarah-type song, it just won't work and will actually destroy >the song. But Sarah doesn't slow it down, she just punctuates it, with the space between. And I never thought XTC should be on Virgin anyway, it doesn't make much sense. Island perhaps, or Atlantic. Maybe Nettwerk should catch the remains. And whenever Sarah sings, I go, even though it is dear, she is good, and i'm S-tatic. Here's an unrelated? geology joke: When the earth moves, would you rather be in the highlands or the lowlands? It depends whether the continent are coming together or coming apart. (that was inspired by an old Fringe Play/dance work entitled Continental Drift, after percolation, and I guess I can count that, along with lots of good music concerts, among my 140 [at least] muses. Perhaps it is related to the Banff thread, also I bet the Juan de Fuca plate is involved [or is it Juan/Isabella?]) David P.S. (I'll post again after a trip to the library to get some Victoria dates, e.g., her dying days [coronation, wedding, death of husband, her death] gold red? black ??? since May 24 isn't the only Victoria day. Oh, on the 2:42? bus after NY, I told someone that the buses still running were the 10, Davie and Victoria; I am 7 so I guess Victoria is 3. But really they are the UBC, Davie and Grainville one way and the Hastings, Main and Victoria the other [they run at 10 minutes past the half hour until 3:10 a.m., later on NY, for the next time you visit Vancouver]. Then I got off over the bridge, did a lopsided U [steeper on the other side] to Kits beach (passing fir, maple, cypress and a miss vickie's chip truck), enjoyed the rising low tide, beautiful lights in the sky, water and frozen sand to arouse the flames of passion, picked up an elongated heart shaped leaf frozen to the path and took it home to press in my Oceans and Islands book, and just before going straight up balsam, did a loop around one of those trees near the entrance to the park to avoid possible contact and ended up taking out a blue push pin from the tree --- so don't post posters on trees, even for est. (The pin came back to me in the laundry.) Then when I got home I lit all my candles to warm up, but in a certain order, even my huge red one made in a black velvet whisky tube many years ago. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:94 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 14:04:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:94 Subject: Re: the moon wax-off; mus Hi John, you wrote: David Dalton wrote: > DD> P.P.S. don't worry about me, my mood dropped only to -2 on > DD> my scale of -10 to +10 today, -1 to +1 is normal range, > DD> I am at -1 now, but far far from the suicide plan (-8) > DD> stage (which I did only once, July 92, because of a bad > DD> medication) > >David, I may be no doctor but I know incoherence when I read/write it. Thank you, much of it is intentional, it doesn't look too bad unless I stick too much in and make it too long, or, as in the last few days, traffic is so low that my stuff is too high a percentage. >o Did you keep a copy of your suicide plan? :-) :-) :-) I guess that would reduce traffic, or at least traffic confusion, on this list. >o Do you still have that bad medication? I have some, it is haloperidol, an antipsychotic, but I don't take it regularly since that suicide plan incident, it is useful in very small amounts when I am getting too shaky, not getting enough sleep while a bit high, or starting to have early warning signs of a panic attack. But my use in the last year has been less than 15 mg, whereas when I went agitated-depression-suicidal I was on 5 mg/day. [Actually, New Year's Day I took 2mg to help me sleep, although it might not have been necessary]. Also now my Li level is 0.6 whereas in that first year it was more like 1.0. Low Li levels are better for depression so if my bad mood had persisted for another day I probably would have reduced my Li level to 0.4, without the consent of my doctor. Such jugglings are not to be recommended unless you have done a few years of self observation and some research into the medication effects. >Happy to help a Sarah fan through another peak suicide season. Happy new year, John. May you have a peak passion season (P.P.S.) David Message fte:95 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 15:00:50 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:95 Subject: to be consumed again (fridge/kitchen incoherency) Here's a tea strainer that's not tea-sieving. (some light frivolity while catching up on netnews in my other window, hey, there are a lot of Re: mm vj's on alt.music.canada [in math, Re=real]) ------ Anyway, on Jan. 1, the last of my lentil soup said to me "oh to be consumed again, 'twould be the petite pois death of me" so I did, and then later on in the evening some squid that had been in the fridge since dec30 (I meant to get salamon, then went through nostalgia through cod to squid, but that is odd since squid is not consumed in Newfoundland, except by other sea creatures, although it is jigged lots) just begged me to cook it, so I did, with red wine, onion, garlic, celery, tomato, LOTS of spices, carrots, potatoes, but didn't consume any. This helped me warm up (I had to ask the landlady to turn the heat up when I went to pay my rent on Jan 2). That same day I finally got down to the icky job of defrosting my fridge; it took over 8 hours, luckily in the meantime I also vacuumed, did dishes, ate some squid [KaliMari] stew (with the last of my red wine), took a bath and did my laundry. I guess I reli(e)ved any smells captured in the ice over the last 7ish months. At the moment of last ice fall, Figgy Duff's "Sweet Temptation" was on, and the line "and then the fall" happened! (actually the line "first love" came, then the ice fall, the "and then the fall"). But last night I regreted it a bit, since the fridge is now a bit noisier (less muffled by ice), cuts in more (may be more sensitive to T changes), so it kept me awake a bit, since I'm not used to it. It will probably settle down after I fill it up, perhaps with a big 4l pail of icecream (else it will fill itself up with ice again) or I will get used to it somehow. Do you have Prince Albert in a can? When did Victorianism begin and end? i.e., when did "buss all" turn to "bustle" and when did bustle turn to hussle, or was it the other way around? David p.s. oh, in the space between (the fridge and the stove)... is where all the good parties happen adieu, [enough] doo-doo off to the library [and K-pub] -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:96 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:36:43 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:96 Subject: Sarah K-sighting, V-dates sum-mary: x citing victoria's loose ends stuff of lowcal or no interest 1. Guess what! Over the last year or two the head bartender at K-Pub at or grad centre has not been playing Sarah, was saying she was too mellow or something. In fact he would even not let me play her (through the house stereo, but I did through the sound board occasionally). So I was very surprised when I walked in during the early strains of the title track of FTE, followed by Possession ("just dot your eyes, dear"), and then just when I was ready to leave, the full version of Possession chased me out. It was odd, I was beginning to think listening to Sarah was a solitary pleasure or something, but ir must be multiple solitudes, which as we digital freaks know can somtimes simulate continuity. 2. This is off topic but sort of completes an earlier frayed thread, it is not about anybody named Victoria out there, although it may be of interest to them: On my way there, at the library, I picked up three books: a hefty bio of Victoria, Thomas Kinsella's translation of The Tain, and a book entitled Queen Victoria: Gender and Power. Some days: Victoria birth: May 24, 1819 4:15 a.m. Albert's birth: Aug 26, 1819 her coronation: Jun 20, 1937 she proposed to Albert: Oct 15, 1839, a Tuesday wedding: Feb 10, 1840 (honeymoon Feb 10--12) princess Vickie's b-day: Nov 21, 1840, 2 weeks premature prince Edward's b-day: Nov 9, 1841, also premature princess Alice (#3) b-day: Apr 23, 1843 prince Arthur (#7) b-day: May 1, 1850 (May Day) Albert made prince consort: Jun 25, 1857 Albert death: Sat, Dec 14, 1861, 10:45 p.m. Victoria death: Jan 22, 1901 one day after new moon funeral: Feb 1, 1901 at Windsor burial : Feb 2, 1901 at _Frogmore_ (Bridgett's/Imbolc/Candlemas/Groundhog's, also my maternal grandmother, who was like me, slightly weird, came from Frog Marsh, Brigus, also sometimes called Fairy Marsh, I think) Other trivia: Victoria did not seem to be too Victorian. Also she could not abide hot weather, would surround herself with buckets of ice at the least provocation. OK, for those who I lost long ago, that should be it on the Victoria thread, I was just tidying up those pesky loose ends, for anybody who is following my fumbling. But wait, if the Juan de Fuca plate rises with the big one, maybe it would be safer in Victoria or a high Gulf Island or Banff than in Vancouver, definitely than in the Massey tunnel area of Richmond. But the Atlantic might be even safer, it is hotter in the middle though cold around the edges, and not quite as jerky in e-w-motion. By the way, when is Chinese new year this year? David 3. ___________________ P.S. anyone in Vancouver, I will be doing sound for Dec. 6: Clambake and open mic, 8 p.m., free. campfire music, grass, reels 13: PaperBoys and Steve Mitchell, 8 p.m., free STOMP 20: Stoaters and maybe Shannon Moore or someone else, 8 p.m., free 27: Colleen Eccleston and her band Rattle in the Dash, and Shannon Crooks and Tara Wiebe opening, or maybe they will switch with Shannon Moore, I meant to call D-a today, oops, there goes the chain Feb. 3: Fear of Drinking, playing british/kiwi/canuck folk music 10: Martingale Irish sesiun 17: midterm break and my birthday so I may be elsewhere bemoaning the fact that I am (a) dirty-one. upcoming: Dyhan Roberts, Tammy Fassaert, Sandy Scofield, Lingo Sisters and anyone else I promised a gig to while drunk (or m_d), just remind me. All for free, sound quality should be blamed on the performers if good and on me if bad. The focus seems to be a funny blend of celtic rock groups and women singer songwriter groups, with the more rocking-dancing groups early in the term. Start times for opening act and/or open mic 8 p.m., then headliner 9 or s.o., some open mic and jamming each week, in the newly renovated _Thea's upstairs in the UBC grad centre. Info 822-0999 (hey, that looks like a government number with a twist). Anybody know a good place to find used mics? We have a $500 credit at DeYong sound but I think that is supposed to go towards a snake, which would help me a lot. But two of our mics got ripped off last year, and Clambake may need more, so I will have to visit L&M or DY before Friday, probably get extra cables so I can use our subwoofer, too, it took too long to hook in the DJ rig bass units on Dec. 9. But there is a harmonica player who was very interested when I told him we had a Crystal mic, so perhaps he will trade an SM-58 for it. Regarding screens, those harmonica players can really spray, so they often like to bring their own mics. You know what, I am not going home to receive and get calls from the bands I put off until this week, but back to the pub to see how bad my poo_l game is. Naughty. But I suppose I'll check to see how my machine is feeling, first, see if its spool has moved at all. Useful tool. Message fte:97 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 15:13:04 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <2F0AC366@mailbag.des.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: fte:97 Subject: sm-ile of the day (was re:Re: to be consumed again) Bob Brewer wrote: >I've noticed you have posted many long, not-FTE related posts, the one below >being an example. You are an interesting writer, if not verbose, but >perhaps FTE is not the most appropriate place for such irrelevant material. No, I am sure that file G(arbage) is the appropriate place for some of it, and thank you all for your kindness, in other places I would have been toasted soundly. But the recent spurt will not last, and some of you may have returned from holdidays to a barrage of long posts from me, but they were not all posted at once. The frequency and length will drop off, and I will return to my promise of a while ago to keep the main post relevant and just tack short little bizarre bits at the end. But you all remember the Leonard Cohen line about promises, right. >Would it be too much to ask to limit your posts in length and make them >relevant to this list? Not at all, but when I keep my posts short they may be less understandable. Also, they have relevance to the list in that they were inspired (partly) by Sarah's music, and are a type of fumbling on my part. Of course they could lead nowhere instead of to 0. >Spare those who have a lot of mail and/or pay for >their service. As you said, the volume is rather small, but it all adds up. If I didn't like someone's posts I would do a delete from=dalton before reading my mail, or I think there are ways to filter it out before it gets to the pay-per-byte stage (a filter for the mail spool, which I can dig up details on if you like). But I will take your words to heart; the worst is over, at least for a few months. Maybe I will just e-mail the stuff to myself. Bye. (not really, Dstroy that) Also my tend-on-itis is still bad so I will have to keep things short and sweet anyway. Plus the last two days I have been walking in along W.8th (off-broadway) and that has stabilised my mood, especially through the mid-afternoon slow period. Swinging my right arm to the rhythm will help the tendonitis, but wearing my bag on my right shoulder will leave me more crooked. Speaking of which, one way to cure tendonitis is to sit up straight, i've always been a little crooked. Brief mythology tidbits: the talking severed head in celtic myths is really "someone who has lost hir head" for a time, when Bran(wen) ordered hir head severed he was just passing on authority to someone else until he became well. Supplicants would chew on a raw piece of meat to invoke the head; this could be interpreted as banging on a drum, or in sexual purposes, related to the mews. And when Merlin was talking to the little piggy during his long "period in the wilderness" or "period of blindness" he was really invoking solitary tantric mysteries, or perhaps the hazel nut/sow goddess part of every woman that the poet wears inside out. i.e., Merlin, during this period, was blind or frigid, including? to Brigid. (oh, to Brigid again, cried he...). This is the period of poetic incubation. Also the shaker prophets sound like epileptics, and the seers of visions more like schizophrenics. So there is a use for everyone. When the druid consulted "the clouds of the men of erin" he was really consulting the dreams of the women of erin. Like Victoria (who I equate with the queen bee of earth) and her children, the mystics were born premature and often with a caul-flower brow. Blindness at birth denotes autism, in some cases. But often elders tell you that certain things lead to blindness, or insensitivity, or madness. Beating on a drum gives the manic head a rhythm with which to spout poetry often which others would interprete. and I got the coronation (heading) date wrong, it was June 28, 1838, and John Brown (b. 1826) dyed on Wed, March 27, 1883. The moral of the above is that the celts have always been a lusty folk, and the myths reflect this, and should not be interpreted too literally. Likewise, depressing songs often have a jewel of light at the end of the tunnel. Billy Joel: "i told you dirty jokes until you sm-oiled" David Bowie: "oh baby, just you shut your mouth" I'm sorry if that is too long, i'll try to make it shorter and thicker in future. Oh, does anyone know if Sarah plans to tour down under before or after the next album, which should make her a star around the world? D Message fte:98 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:11:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9501050341.AA03887@sunny.hq.interlink.com> Message-ID: fte:98 Subject: awwh!! I enjoy your posts Thanks, Deanna; And don't worry, I'm not going to let a little burnt stake (mild flames) bother me too much, will just try to tack the stuff at the end of a legit post or weave in double (or more) entendres so that the thick sorts will still have a meaning to cling-on to. Hey, you have the same name as Deanna Troy, but I never watch that show. Right now, if I re-join pendulum and stay on fte and have to finish my thesis then I don't have time to join ecto too, but since I enjoy a lot of strong voices perhaps I should join ecto eventually. DO you think I should drop fte and join ecto? But then I would have more of that initial shyness again, and also ecto has more volume, it might be harder to keep it up, unless I can make it part of my job somehow. Thanks again; David Message fte:99 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:40:26 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: WretchAwry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:99 Subject: Re: Hey David! Hi Vickie; Thanks for your support, and don't worry, I won't jump ship or anything because of a few mild flames (burnt steak). I don't always understand all I say until later, but am getting better about it, although I am still led by my...nose through murky water to a fine conclusion quite often. Just when I think I have it, the mystery loses me again. I leave in the murky water, which other poets leave out; that way perhaps others will learn to swim where I have failed, or swim to learn, or gain hope in their own murky water (only if I don't spectacularly fail). >Second thing, if you feel your non-Sarah posts are pushed out >of fte, join Ecto and post them there! I swear to you on Queen >Vickie's grave that no one will hassle you there and you can post >to your heart's content. I could join ecto, but the volume is higher and I would have more initial shyness and might not be able to keep it up. Also, I have to rejoin pendulum, and perhaps should finish my thesis. Maybe I will get on the ecto-digest list again, and contribute rarely. Do you think I should give up fte and take up ecto? I would do both if I had time, probably I will have lots of time and no net access soon anyway, or no time and lots of restraints (i.e., if i ever decide to finish my thesis and get a day job). But perhaps I will take the leap and shove the thesis, unless it really grabs me very soon, and then ...I don't know yet. But ecto might be a good list, since I am drawn to lots of strong voices --- Sarah's has the most tidal force but perhaps now that I have allowed her to open me up I can benefit more from listening to others as well. But she >**HUG** Thanks, wow, a four star hug! I had a nice graphic one but my blood sugar is dropping so must run, will dig it out later, it was a circular HUG thingy. But anyway, a HUGe to you to (that means a HUGElectronic). >Vickie (not a Victoria, unfortunately) Whew, I was worried about that, after I posted the V postings, I am not quite sure where they are leading, but was worried that you might be offended somehow. I don't think I am a reincarnated Victoria or John Brown or Albert or anything, nor Sarah, these are just clues of some sort. Also I was worried about another even milder delusional/obsessive tail as in the second week in September when I thought I had improved the world, but now think it is just the rhythms that be playing with me again. There is no obsession, only passion and stability, right now. [If Sarah crooked her little finger at me she could have me, but I am not about to bother her; if you love someone and they tell you to go away then you do, and I don't think I will risk the sure rejection. Besides, she is even more of an artistic muse to me than a midnight oil, so I am content in that. Eventually I will meet a woman who likes Sarah as much as I do, but I'm in no rush (well, maybe, at the next gig, hello). And as I said, there are usually other flames in the night, so maybe joining ecto would be good.] u h V g (that should be HUG(V) and kiss(u) and heart at the root of gravity?) David Message fte:100 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:06:59 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:100 Subject: f-lame-D The mild flames served as a _gentle_ REM-inder of burnt stake and Aushwitz, so I will try to couch [my future word play] in terms that will satisfy all, so that everyone will have [meaning] to cling-on to. That is what the best poets do, and layers [of meaning] are in fashion, although they take more time to put on and take off, hence there is less time for action (although I guess undressing [meaning] counts as action). Though shalt not suffer a bad pun, until this heel slips up in doo-doo (which happens too often with all these good doo-doo-ers around). -------- D, down, must be the blood sugar, time for some supper, also I messaged Delanne that I would be home 7:30 and won't till 10, so the river of tears threatens (very low level, don't worry) Message fte:101 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 16:06:17 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:101 Subject: Re: We're so proud! :-> I'm sure she'll have an alternative Grammie some day, but nine inch snails are tough competition. But as always, all the best (wishes). Those stones will roll -- with the right resonances the earth can move, so maybe she will be a Grammie winner sooner than later. But my muddy crystal ball ice dreams don't tell me for sure, as usual. DaViD Message fte:102 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 16:19:53 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:102 Subject: D-flame-D (short post) OK, I lied, I don't like artificial sweetener or too much water in my water of life, so my next post will be a very long and somewhat thick and warped post, so skip it if you haven't gotten anything out of the earlier posts. Just cluck the mouse to chick it in the trash, and complain to your net-service if it doesn't provide a way to filter out junk people without charge; the Usenet was not founded on a pay-per-byte basis. At least I'm not posting pictures, you can make up your own ones, in seven flavours of neapolitan. The next post is very weird in spots but I figured I would let it out and get a matent instead of a patent, by sending my bizarre love, born of river (oh, no, mother... that is pain two of today, see the next post for the one about excise taxes). You can get the Coles notes later, maybe. But it is a bit heavy at first and lighter at the end (what end?). Now for the typing marathon, although the bytes will be small compared to WWW and Quicktime, slowtime and W?W are fine. Bee-loveD P.s. The next post is about Sarah's music, space tectonics, sexuality and evolution, the roundest match maker, and Sol's berry bush (or replace bush with word of your choICE). But as usual, there is much doo-doo along the way, and more to come, I hope. Message fte:103 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 23:54:08 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:103 Subject: UU: love & rolling S-tomes. [abort ddis early if it is not wellcome] I have nestedly UUencoded this so only those who are interested will make the effort to read it. On a Unix system, just save the e-mail to a file, cut off the stuff before be_gin, and save it, then uudecode file. Oh, no, I won't bother, just delete it if you can't get past the opening paragraphs without an urge to threw up on it (to thine own personal self be threw). It should be enough for you to chew on for a whale, and it will probably arouse fewer flames in the wrong places since it is all in one big t-rash pile instead of too many little doo-doo-S. Feel free to cut and paste and edit and whatever with it, but don't send it back to me at the point of a dagger, unchanged and smelly. If this gets truncated (the last word is LOVE) let me know and I'll do my dammdest to fix the problem. This file is 35773 bytes long, although yours may have more header. I wonder if that number means anything to anyone anywhere anytime, eh, gee? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: this is heavily scientific material :-), and fills about 16 pages in a red narrow ruled 9.5 by 6in notebook, spiral bound, and percolated as I walked in and read your clues of the day. So skim it, and milk it for whatever you like (i.e., take of me what you will, but don't burn the rest because it is not your cup of D ... oh no, oh good FTE just came on, thanks, holy water, side 2, tape 2). In reading any scientific paper, you read the abstract first, and then skim, on the first pass skipping complicated equations that don't appeal to you, and then go back to examine those that do in more detail. [References? Me? But that was only fumbling, you shouldn't hold _it against me. I was always split between two or more fields so never really made it in most of them, except the dark side of the moon, just a jack of owl triads. But I guess my luck is changing since the moon is not dark right now, I used a mirror or two.] I think I must have some mmoral support, thanks for yesterday's tree hugs. I changed my mind about promises (in the last post), will just be myself and avoid artificial sweetener, which can cause the wrong kind of headaches (those insensitive to touch therapy). I think I would like it out in the open, even at the cost of some prickles and briars and sand crystals, but not not not ice, except in season (?). Also I got some great encouragemnet by s/he-mail from two/three p-eople I admire, to help relieve my ice dreams. Thanks for the chain mail of linked hugs, again, they turned the Killing Field skulls into a powerful wall of oracular heads, that tells me to keep the repeats to where they belong. ---------- The following is long, twisted and not too crystal clear, but perhaps there is a silver lining in the claret tea (mountain berry tea). It would have to be the dust on the blueberries, or dust on the broom. ??? Oh, and re the square brackets, I guess I have one reason to thank the church, but would rather she had life. Oh, no... Rain Dogs is just on... (Lupus iced the H-art, but not for long, see below. Queen of the Slipstream is on now, thanks river, and ps-mint tea.) Too bad there (or maybe lucky) there is no computer in the bathroom (maybe there is, the long paper tape of trees and Roger Penrose and more). Please skip over the irrelevent muddy water below and just pick at the ice-clear bits, if such is your pleasure. p.1 It wasn't your mild flames, but my own last crack about Auschwitz that threatened to eat me up and send me along towards bedlam bridge instead of midnight oil. But no, I availed myself of emergency supplies (chocolate, music, water, heat and breath), put on my tight skin mask, and madeit home, had food (including rye [bread] and caraway [cheese {with caraway} makes you ?] and radishes [?] and two pints of the dark stuff [a mixture of 66% chocolate milk, 1% yoghurt, and 33% goats milk]) and plotted TheAs' music. For the dead [not!] I lit my squat thick dusty black candle with the short wick and the big red one with the ring of hollow pearls around the deep wick (and a stand with a spike in it). When the black one was sputtering I had to blow it out briefly but then propped up the wick, like picking a dark nose, and relit it from the other candle (actually I had to carry the flame with help from the other end of a burnt ma tch). But then the black one burned too brightly so I had to pour in a little red wax from the big one for balance. Then I turned Sarah on and lit all the other candles (or the other way around?), which I didn't put out with gasoline, but with gentle purrsuasion (whatever happened to Nastassja? an ex-housemate had a nice poster of her wrapped in a snake). Oh well, the crack that threatened to eat me is now somewhere deep inside me, once more a shade of trial by thorns and firewater. I wonder how it is related to the tulips in the lowlands of Holland, and the boy whose finger got caught in the burning bush while moseying along the Dutch border with a double scoop cone, Neapoliton, no doubt (did Sarah go to Naples?). At home, I didn't cage the river, but made my vows to it, to free love from its guage of fools (linear metrics) and rejoin the healing dance of three worlds, setting the bass rhythms to eliminate higher noise and sustain higher passion. Hey, aside, that reminds me of a joke I heard somewhere: "Why is your hearing more sensitive to treble in the morning and to bass at night and does this affect producer success?" I don't know enough to answer that. (Actually, feel free to make up your own punch line, that is one of the two good forms of punch. Who's Judy? Plus it may be related to the middle ear, the middle rear, and nonlinear fluid resonances, and may require a Cray or Convex or at least a Sun Sparcstation 10 or a band of Pentiums to solve. It may take longer with the Sun and Pentiums, but seem shorter.) Comic relief (mine) aside, the raging reverie of ancient blood and fire almost swept me away, but methinks it just carried me further in my right direction :-) and may allow me to access an even deeper side of the triple scoop muse. But first I must get rid of my self-imposed protective cage of years, with some more help from the oldest, many-round-est matchmaker, and evolution by survival of those who love: lovesolution. p.2 (dam[ne], this arm will need wringing) Oh, at the end I realized that even if all the red candles are blown away, the black one (which has a bit of red in it, like some red wine kissed in the Guinness?, or like black mood blood) can be used to rekindle them. And there isn't a shortage of dark matter (doo doo) in the universe. So I guess the universe is self-repairing (and we are [of] the world). muddy water ------------- Oh, my sister Anne (actually Lorraine Anne, but my mother preferred Anne) sent me Asimov's "Nemesis" for Christmas, but I don't understand that since she is definitely my sis, she looks the most like me and has influenced me more than any other living person. She knew I liked early Asimov, but his later stuff is mostly doo-doo. It probably doesn't mention the higher dimensional black holes that share the sun (as a communal light asshole with just local transportation and communicable disease [possibly us]). But that is probably a load of blue moose twaddle and little green lady's hands, which rhymes with newfoundl(h)and(s). [I had a note here to condense, must be related to Carnations.] [ok, now going to tape 1, tape 3 is too tear-y sometimes, although of joy] p.3 If you don't like my fumbling towards ickstasy, then skip this one, on space tectonics, isostatic bumps and triaxial crystallography, it is rather scientific [led by the ?]. So the sun is a monopole and the black holes are a higher dimensional multipole, but of course they aren't really poles but curved, and not sharp but fuzzy, not stationary but pulsing. But that accounts for the missing mass, or supposed preponderonce of dark [I think we have dark and light mixed up, i n some cases] over light matter in the universe [hey, into the fire is on]. It is just that the dark gravity waves like to do the twist and so are hard to capture. ... Oops, I'm back after a long system crash, fixed by sysadmin John Amor, luckily it wasn't this machine (aires) but just the server (gafs) so I didn't lose the file. But my last page was on display for anyone to read (a couple probably did), which made me kind of nervous for a while. Maybe I should have stuck to the text only telnet from the undergrad lab, with PCs galore, where odd laughs or tears of failure might be more tolerated. Who needs graphicX anyway, if you have an ima-gination. But hey, I can never remember my most favourite tunes and faces, but recognize them, yes, even from unREMembered nights. But I will consider the c-rash a sign from la hand to reconsider everything since I last saved. So make that "hard to be captured by". During the break I glanced at a paper on multichannel appraisal deconvolution, Jack Jacobs volume 3 of Geomagnetism, and talke to Israeli student Yuval about spelling (he has trouble with "assess", I have trouble with the "e" in acknowledgement, wonder what that AC knowledge meant? Also we discussed eye surgery, and how maybe humidity affects eyes, and laser surgery might work better if the eye was not melted smooth but left with the proper porosity and granularity, probably of the finest crystalline sand. [more later] Also I glanced at an old thesis plot, ka1ampgam.eps. Damn, I hope she doesn't make me finish that thesis, besides, the thesis is never finished! Now back to the old material (sprit of the west) but I will have to type faster so inadvertent typos (unconscious typos) will probably be more frequent, dame it! ok, ... hard to capture, but easy to be captured bi, light sea horses that we are, as in that song by the Comittmints (but this time around I can't remember the name of the guy who did the song before they covered hit, so the name must be important???) I also finally remembered the name of the band I forgot on rec.music.celtic yesterday; it was Connemara and the tape is The River. ...just posted a hard reply on sea-litium to alt.support.depression The Atlantic is the asshole of the earth, and the Pacific has been well composted and home grown and is being re-injested. So where do you surf, on the net? At the Railway (ooh, near the Skibbereen, see later, no bath that time, oh wait it was a sun bath) one of the funny things I did was to place a buckled tin ashtray, shaped like a hat or something, into a rainbow polaroid film box. I think this is related to the space tectonics theory, and why met wear hats, and to how timely quartz crystal produces a rainbow heart from white ice light, and sometimes double images if you loook hard through the calcite bumps. p.4 Ore, the sun is like the small bright flame at the top of a tall dark candle much of which has little effect on local gravity but much effect at large distances, and I bet effect on local gravidity. So the sun is locally sensitive, but the true power lies in accessing the hidden dark G-string with the proper resonances. This may be related to singing to the standing stones of the orkney isles, in that perhaps ancient lovers used such aural resonances to get their lovers to come, as in the Loreena McKennitt song (about pierced basal chakras? batteries included? no, w2rong, later). I hope more of my leavings are born of pleasure than of pain like yesterday. But perhaps this will provide pleasure (laughter) to those in pain, if I can figure out how to reach the powerful resonances of the G-strings outside of the weigth of my muddy crystal ball ice dreams. The string of black pearls that hit jupiter in the summer may have been a thread of Juno's G-string, to dwarf the great Red Spot. Or, back to nature, it could be a string of electrically sensitive but fungoid/yeast prone spots (depending on ph and crystal matrix) that can be damaged by antibiotics; replacement occurs especially if you hug trees or go skinny dipping or surfing, or some forms of contact, but it can take time. p.5 Or it may be related to anisotropic elasticity (vibrations split) or piezoelectricity (tiny quartz or sulfide crystals along the path of vibration can convert the acoustic energy to sparks if the timing is right). So maybe it would help to have a tiny metal star inserted in a small piercing in the base chakra (or pope's nose) area [no, really maybe an M with the middle nose longer, so probably just a nose will do]. Also if you can't wait for replacement biota (good moss, fungus, crabs, yeast or whatever it is. hey, remember the story of Amergin and the bread dough. But I like tonic.) then perhaps insertion of a tapered S string of tiny, properly spaced and aligned quartz crystals will help. This might be aided by doing certain things in the surf, although that does'nt sound too comfey. With that resonance, goddess knows what powers might be unleashed. Uh oh. Obviously antibiotics can also affect guys, my age-18 operation (after mysterious stomach pains that came on when I was an 18 year old camp cook tending to the needs of a crowd of 16 year old mostly girls, a couple of whom came to sea me in my hospital bed.) left my far resonances intact but some near resonances slightly tampered with, and replacement has occurred more from the natural environment than the seedy world so my resonances are slightly on. But look at how early antibiotics are used these days! So I must be wrong. Sh-it for brains, I guess, after all it was an E-coli infection in the blood that caused me to need bread mold, although I got my appendix out and my natural piercings displaced every so slightly (left), into a different tuning I guess, hope it isn't a fad-ing one but a hit. So maybe the appendix has something to do with the speed of replacement of old "good" symbiota and the lack of an appendix (or tonsils? ice cream? carrageenan? red rock cove?) leaves you open to different symbiota. But then again, my thesis won't have an appendix, or a Conclusion, just many unconnected (digital) conclusions, at the rate I'm not going, slow cards. p. 6 so, anyway, it is possible to catch a new symbiotic strain that will affect your sexual resonances with others and intensity of the d-00-ze, and thereby affect evolution. But this might also provide a natural defense against some diseases, by means of the immuse system, and Other advantages, like the carrot and stick; I like carrot cake with pineapple[???] and not too much sugar in the usual icing. So the earth can tune her population instrument without breaking the instrument [in tuning, do you do the bass notes first, and is it easier to tune up or down?]. When I do the EQ I do the bass first though. So this is like gentle programming from the root up by Ma Belle and her thorny path variables, the fairy-snatched (changelings=sick child, unloved, given moldy bread, forced to eat it, sour milk, bad wine [not like me, I was loved but at a distance, dysfunctional orphans that we were] until, like Amergin, we came and spouted off about loves. It may also be related to prematurity and how the birth time lines up with the mother's menstraul cycle before and after the pregnancy [Great Big Sea do this great tune called Berry-Picking Time, plus there is a cave in Gallows Cove supposedly where my earliest NF Dalton ancestor lived for a year, not far from the Lighthouse. But now all they do is Park in gravel pits.]) So anyway, evolution and volition is the survival of those who love, eh. Also it is probably related to the magnetic jerk of the 60's following on that big long sunspot peak. So I am bee-loved. Dam, this cough is still not gone, but not worsening, guess it is nature's way to disguise strange laughter and keep me out of the far pavilions, or a water level disease to keep predators at bray. Oh, and for smoking, my brother killed me with "waxiness" (at S-crab-ble) and he smokes so I bet waxiness will cure smoking (i.e., both tapering down, making it harder to suck on, putting a patch on the base chakra, and, most importantly, changing government regulations to make cigarette paper to feel more like a cold slab than a hot butt. I would suggest a paper similar to the sunflower sunday flyer one, although that didn't burn very well (oops), and not the newsletter which I haven't seen yet (maybe the person who complained could volunteer to be editor, e-mail hir the files and let hir juggle them). Also, if you phase out the hot butt, you need an appropriate replacement. Chewing gum and exercise have been known to help. Well, back to my cold, I need the Cure, no, not antibiotics--- hey wait, I did tetracycline after the thorn climb when high lithium?? caused acne and fungal problems in odd places, but not a full cycle, so maybe I solved the conflict and have some new antibiotic resistance. I'd better be careful of transkission. But I still get some fungal problems (cracks left of right little toe, sensitivity elsewhere) when stressed, and have had acne problems on the back of my neck lately. I think that might be related to temperature, and the need to have a cool back and head, or something??? So any back rubber should have cold hands, any front rubber should have warm, in massage therapy. That doesn't make sense. And I don't like rubbers. But maybe temperature measurements, gas analysis, acoustic soundings and other things will improve the rhythm methodology. p. 7 OK, the cure--- we all know what the traditional remedies for a cold are (cluck, cluck). Hey, but I'm a seafood, veg, dairy products and egg lover! What to doo? Maybe clam chowder will help. Hydrolysed fat -- is that related to the Pope's nose, maybe the secret soup ingredient to cure my cold lies therein. But there is also the (vapo) rub, or tiger balm, but that numbing not nummie. What C-year is this? Oh, young '95, the fount of youth. When I was a young 'un one of my chores was feeding the hens, breaking the ice on their water and replacing it with something warm (but [hey!] not thick and not flat, since bubbles make it not freeze, but thick makes it stick). Maybe they repayed me in kind, with good salmon. Also I had to bring in wood for the fire. We had a dog named Og and a big black cat named Dudley who was neutered but still once killed a HUGE rat that was eating the hens' food, and once scared off a big german shepherd named Butch (Og scared off all the straight ones, he was a mixed-up border collie with a bad case of overbite who liked having his ass rubbed, due to old buckshot wounds, sheep related. His bite wasn't as bad as Lupus, though, that nelled the E in H-art for a while, world came tumbling down, I guess, but flame again [...time out, for water]) and had the loudest purr of any puss I have known so far. But, oh well, these boots are made for walking, the black puss that eased DD has passed on, as has albino Caspar the ghost (run over by a car) and steel-gray french alley cat Minette (who would sit on my upper chest and gently claw at my neck and, if that didn't work, eyelids to get attention, and probably to feed me some bacteria from outdoors), and other fine pusses. With the dog, Og, I would often walk over the pond ice in winter, carefully listening to any cracks. I and a friend started to row to the island on a raft once, my brother spotted us and waved us back, but the wind blew us past the island and to the other shore. My siblings were pissed off since I can't swim (or skate or bicycle or drive) but I guess I have a guardian angel or two, or mawB protection. Protection from what, I say? This is not helping my tendonitis, how did Shakespeare do it? Oh, with a feather touch, but there is always the rub, and he used pressure when his mews demanded it. Or was that Lady Scott [Great Scott---> walter--> wall to her --> scott tissue --> tree --> mother...] Oh, shit, tragedy and comedy of life. But Shakespeare had more practice than i have yet, in his hills and dales, or was that wordsworth, who wandered lonely as a moon cloud over ??? (my yoga teacher showed us a 3-person one where one relaxes and the other two wring hir out, and told me "you should have that done daily", but I guess not while standing on my head [it is a chair asana]) Now, is this a cough, or a disguised laugh, sea-ls? p.8 tape 3. Guess I might not get to the WISE [victoria and adanac] tonight, even though it is actors' night; I may have to settle for Clambake Friday, Railway jam Saturday (I think I'll get two-faceted [flat] the next day, if I stay from jam to slam again, but the sole food is good), and a pool and round table night jam down below at the WISE Sunday. But then again, all this stuff was done on two whours sleep. Stop! enough! please, KNOW! (the difference between a "know" and a "no" is whether there is an upturn or turndown in the pronounciation/inflection/timing/accent=MSG and whether it peaks at the end very quickly and abruptly or builds up to a moist question? So I guess guys should clean out their earwax more often (mine seems to build up too fast, dammit, but maybe it is good for something, from middle ear to middle rear???) during the intermission. Also there is a similar difference between YES and wise(up), Yeas(t), I noticed that right away after I told a new friend I was an m/d. But she kept my CDs, I hope she wipes (them) clean occasionally, to preserve the accent. (actually that is not such a S-ore point, we are friends, I just haven't gone over to get the CDs back yet, maybe I am avoiding) Regarding tendonitis, maybe I will have to get one of those dictator programs......oh, you mean a tape recorder or something like dat.....no, silly, one of those automatic voice recognition systems. No, that wouldn't work, what's sauce for one is not always sauce for the other, although it should be, with some of each in the sauce. The nuances would be lost, maybe I will try a split Dvorak light touch keyboard, left hand mouse and enforced rest stop programs (i have ftp-ed a few but haven't compiled them yet, the best for Unix may be hsh, from a scan of the files). Now how is that related to the thin white line? But Lady QWERTY has been good enough to me lately! And if that doesn't work, I'll get the message, without any of that medium (middle) claptrap, right? But rare air might be useful too. Hey, how is this going to save the threes? I've been wasting bytes and losing sawdust, all for the big nothing. Musicians have darting fingers Singers have daring tongues Writers are caught in between somehow. Finish it, with the aid of Producers and Editors and? Obviously, my production is inversely prop-ortional to sleep, but I can't keep it up forever (can I --- actually I think, given the vows I mentioned, I will keep it up as long as necessary AND desirable). I hope this doesn't lead nowhere, else I'll be knackered for nothing. So this s-hould be the last one until after my musical sounds of the weekend; reminds me of that Ray Bradbury novel, "By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes" Which always put a damp shiver on me timbers even when small. Damn, I have to have something to show the boss (MY thesis supervisor) by tomorrow, that (thought) will probably cool me down eventually, but he won't give me the boot, that is for me to decide upon reflection. adage: Time is self, with a digital candle and its backwards alarm. misscellaneous: young hags, you have worn me out (for today, but the night has yet to come) [so I guess this was written early? I'm getting hungry.] With all the flowers to get me through the pits, life is a bawl. (seriously, rising Newfoundland singer Liz Pickard has a very flowery voice; she sang backup vocals for Ron Hynes in St. John's at the LSPU on Saturday January 8, after which I went to a grand session, and took a stormy spin aroun Qui Dividi lake before strolling home to Leslie Street. That was a fun week, it was a strong re-bonding with wind, music, fir tree [I could only go so low, in the middle of the snow, with the stars all a-glow, and the world saying know, but when I went back to Vancouver, after new moon I got caught in the dead river of Grandview cut, which may rise again, says my crystal ball.]) pace yourself, said I. I am, I will wear out those rabbit slippers soon if I'm not careful. Better than a pacemaker, try a peacemaker, its the rhythm, not the method. back to physics: magnetic jerk of the 1960s modulated the usual sunspot/earth S and M cycles (the S curve of the sunspot cycle and the related double M peaks at each limb of the S, from the earth)??? Also, it may have had effects at certain special standing stones or other magnetic crystalline rocks. It probably impinged on Red Rock Cove, where I would tunnel through rock on hands and knees when small, no doubt picking up strange red algae or silver-green mildew or the like. Also, the Harbour Main (named since it is like a french sea hand, ma was in the other cove) p.? volcanics, some of the oldest crystalline rocks in north america run through there, around the site of my first outdoor "Oh!", in the Skibberine, near blue berry bushes. But that wasn't in the bath! Oh, it was a sunbath, with a blend of muskol and deep tanning oil to keep off the UV and bugs but possibly to soak up something from wicked moss, my wyrd. Now, this is all _out of order_ so you, the editor will have to fix it to your taste, or chuck-all of it. S-TOP!!! [paws, for recharging, looks like I won't be coming to the WISE on VictoriadanaC tonight after all, lots more fool's tale, no time for old wise tales until maybe after midnight tonight. Oh, the recharging consisted of a little pacing, water, gazing down the halls of academe, and some Miss Vickie's sea salt and vinegar chips (actually it was Hawkins' Cheezies). I should have brought me eye drops, though. And, as some soul musician said "i'll give you everything, baby, everything is threw"-up (strained peace). Oh, I was supposed to recharge my Li B(attery) doo but I left that at Home, will have to take some later. Is that realted to Iguana or chicken wire. Sh-it, DD.] I think I'm being toyed with -- but I never had the heart to give those open micers the finger, thus incurring the wrath of the baby faced grandfather godtender (I think I know what his secret fountain of youth is, it is related to the waters of life, and he does have a rough tongue sometimes, so I hear, for those women who like jellyroll blues types, only tonguer) when the conclusion took too long to come, like the stroke of sleep last night (1:4/5), hey that looks like a bible verse, but I don't have any bibles, just an old copy of Cowper that looks like a bible, Ovid's Erotic Poems (e.g., Facial Secrets for Young Sirens), Dorothy Livesay (The Self-Completing Three), and s'mmore. No cranberry juice touch`e for this potatoe tonight, just the horse's head of a lone star night. ??? Bridgett's amuseD smile, or caught between a rock and too-soft plaices, or actually a big sole-0 composed of glasses and nose with ice pick (no ice _uck this year): __^__ /O | o\ | + 0 + | \__^__/ Actually the pick shouldn't have to be than big, and the house or tank shape is supposed to be a Circle, but you know how it is with ascii art. I was going to blow it up and do some fine tuning but that can wait. But anyway, I will round out the sides to more of a circle, so the ears will move in, the top and bottom become round more, and that lower pick should be MUCH smaller, more of a fungus/paint scraper. Also I am not sure if the little O or big o should be on the left or right, it probably depends which way the 0 is turned. Ah well, I'll pass for now. All of the above was written at home, between 11 p.m. and noon, and percolated on the rhythmic walk in, so your mileage may vary. Earlier I mentioned that imagination can be exercised without graphics. Now imagination is one thing that should be exercised more, not excised. Uh, oh, noooooo.... don't tax this clithead of MOther [I just switch from "your song is lifting my heart back to tape 1, not my timing, for The Mask and Mirror, back to FTE later]. That was another warming pain of the day, and not one found in most spas. Now I will have to think about regeneration and earth healing again, tonight, and need[ed] some double chocolate fudge ice cream and a hug [when I wrode it]. Perhaps tissue transplants from compatible male donors with lots to spare would help, or electrical induction of regeneration, water of life on parched ground. This one is a tough nut to crack, though. But it may be related to the afterbirth, which influences fetal tissue development. I wonder if the afterbirth changes at all after the 160 day period, which I would deem as the safe limit for abortions for unwanted foeti, who will be regenerated somewhere where they are wanted. On the other hand, wanted babies have an early flame, from mother, and perhaps a tinge of colour in that flame, from loves. So, no, I think I was always wanted, if not most wanted. After the 160 day period of no fire, spontaneous combustion will occur. But of course this could be halved for safety margins, and with the right rhythms no woman will be "loved" or become "pregnant" until she loves with the right stage crew. So Clambake want 3 vocal mics, and banjo, fiddle and accordion mics so I will have to hoof it to a sound place tomorrow morning to add to my three mics so I'd better stop thinking about the big round tech down below and finish typing. Back to tragedy: raise the hoods, 'K after all, slash and burn is only for meadows and then only when they ask you to do it in lieu of lightning But there's a fine line between pleasure and pain, feeling useless as tuts on a bill (no, really, I am still doubly C-lit. WoW, what a river. Wait, I think I'm being solditude again. :-( a well of mi lk, but not bottomless, in digital times, I hope? SO for the next few days, I must do less typing, and the only ones who will get any Xplanations from me will have to buy me a beer or mercuric silver white wine or Dionnyssic red wine (actually the silver stuff is probably gin, thinking back, I had a rather bad experience painting the back of a car after too much lemon gin at age 16, so I'll stick to beefeaters [but I'm a vegetarian]). People are getting wise, it is odd for me to be typing so much and no thesis coming. If this is a dream, I shudder to think what the real thing (knot coke) will bring. I can't type any faster with my two index fingers and thumb without my right arm exploding, and I don't want to lose my s-hirt. ?I don't know what it is, but it isn't hurt? Or if it is hurt, perhaps you can KisS it to make it better, to the tune of some fine Cletic music. Oh, and my family crest has trefoils and the motto is "Patentia Victrix" or something like that, which is remarkably similar to MacLeod's "Hold Fast" except perhaps more feminine sounding, not as nautical, but nice. Oh well, must learn to Touch, if there is static cling then there's the rub (of noses, up north). But then, dreams are hard to hold on to, and fade quickly in the morning, and aren't often around for breakfast in bed or diapers and dragons. Where's the E? Oh, it must be a double bed, not banned. but then... maybe the egyptians had the secrets after all, of pyramid power. I wonder what that says about sex and the single Ommmmmm. But a pyramid can go both ways, so we'd better not pout, we'd better not cry, but be naughty and nice, sugar and spice and escargots and onions. [that was new, it is after 11 p.m. Jan 5 and I am hungry.] Why do I promise to be short and then end up being so long and promise to be long and end up being so thick, eh? I never did see Sleepless in Seattle but I did hear the ones about Harry and his Commitments, but the comb-ination found me before I let my ears get stuffed up with the wrong shit. Cheese (with caraway seed) makes you _____? Really or chew li? [oh, my maternal grandmother was Mary Walker, who often went out visiting when she was feeling perkier than usual. But she didn't play pool, whats the one about Her-cue-less about?] Now, some muddy water, that may have life if not clarity in the end. The early stuff will be some fumbling. The weekend is my day of rest(itutions), p[l]ay through the pipes to the goadess, as in that Zeppelin tuna. 3 moon phases? odd, I get a pre-new-moon phaSe, say 21--29, pre-full-moon, say 6--15, but what about 1-5 and 16-20, which bridges the two. That seems to be a split phace, which is suddenly now driving me like it never has before. The full moon phase is like my own ass (narc-otics) so I suffer or benefit depending on my own personal actions towards others, not self, then (hey, I wonder if more abstinence would help, or less digital and more analog). During the other two I am led by the ? , but, really there is much over-lap. Also the muses driving period seems to be most powerful for about 4 days so there are really seven muses, each a distinct combination of the three phases, and one day of rest? Ohhhh, blood-lessening? But what about O-riginal sin and chocolate? I don't get it. Oh, rest for some but not for all, on that day. I will consider the implications for motherhood later if I can figure it out. You mean the rhythm method allows the women to do the real work on one day a month, when they choose, and leave that spy out in the cold on that day otherwise? But when is that one day, fool moon or twat? Uh oh, watch out for vampires, werewolves, me3dusa and the like. And I guess sex during pregnancy is OK whenever the mother is clitish, but probably certain combinations would lose their appeal over ftime. ELO: turned to stone, or a toking head. So now, back to physics. For any given 3 multipoles in three dimensions, there are seven distinct feasible combinations, so the K.S. told me (actually I have to check). Now in physics I have speculated that, with K motion and S entropy, the universe can be descibed in terms of a seven-fold heart with 3 real space dimensions, 2 imaginary ones, and two time variables. So the problem is to use the key of the K.S. combinations to unlock the love of that heart in its full power. s-pare CHANGE time, D (wish list for my f-g) [cinderella reference again] war to raw abuse to ba use car to arc hunger to passion :-) ill t to till lilt great and small to sweet love all and let that love open the door on Sol's Berry _____ [pro-choice] fuck can stay, but note that law is really a great wall, with the one law (l[ove] chopped off and turned around...ono... ... ... ...) oh, that was a D-rip, o nose. Or else, if you like moist walls, turn the "un" in "unlawful" into french, eh, and the world is full of... love. doo... I do bit you adieu... DD P.S. Dam, I thought last night was the longest yet. But in the words of Burton Cummings "you ain't seen nutting yet" It is now 11:41 so I won't make the WISE tonight unless I get some pizza, but that can cause zits to rise up, must be the onions in Grease. (I forget that soundtrack) a-pole-agies to those who have read this far, that should have meaning for all. LOVE Message fte:104 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 0:20:04 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:104 Subject: ages With extra headers, my long file is 36114 bytes long, on return from fumbling towards ecstasy. Factoriazation into reasonable numbers gives 36114=78*463. Given my earlier cryptic comment about ages, I think that perhaps lifespan can increase over five-fold, from about 78 to 463 or sO. But unless I get out of here, I will turn into Methuselah and miss my bus, not Lazarus Long (Heinlein was sexist, though). But he probably wrote for his audience and had private reams. Message fte:105 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 14:11:14 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:105 Subject: APOLOGY (sober, well-rested, and down) I have glanced over the writings I posted last week, plus some I did the following night and luckily did not post, and am rather embarrassed by their juvenile nature. This was partly due to a lack of sleep, I promise not to post anything written on less than four hours sleep in future. Also my neglected thesis threatens to swamp me, so I will limit my posting in the near future anyway. Plus if my thesis dies I will be seeking another line of work, or returning to Newfoundland to fade away or write on paper. In any case, I see why editors (even self a week later) are essential. For those who care, I am almost back to "normal" after using some meds to induce safe sleep on the weekend, although the meds had some nasty side effects (numbness, slight anxiety) that have taken a few days to fade. With all the rave reviews about the Sarah and Paula tour, plus a great review of Mount Baker that a friend gave me after the Loreena concert, I will think about getting a ticket for the Mount Baker concert in May, if I can talk a group into a road trip. Anyway, please forgive me, I'll be short and sweet and in lurking mode for a while now (lurking means I won't post much, but will read), and trying to avoid having to give up my degree until there is a good option. But of course, most of you are not reading my fumblings (including this down one) any more and I can't really blame you. David P.S. I don't know how I got through doing sound last Friday night, but I did; I'll have to ask my friends who were there if I did anything too weird, like losing my friends. But I think it was mostly internal, except for the junk I posted. I think my world has been unravelled, now to rebuild. (somehow) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:106 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:02:45 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:106 Subject: world without end John said the world must be coming to an end because I am trying to enter lurker mode. John, my world came to an end late last week; all my beliefs and roots were shaken, to the very foundation. It was FEAR, in a major way, but I survived, largely due to a powerful faith in self, family, friends and fine music, and to previous trials by fire. The last long post was not the worst of it, the next one, which I didn't type in, and the day or two after that were much worse, my very foundations trembled, I coiled inwards to survive. But now that I am through it, I hope to resume fumbling towards ecstasy, after this initiation of black ice. Enough doo-doo, bye David Message fte:107 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:08:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:107 Subject: one last comment, re: timing Finally, I will say that any loopy writing of mine that are posted in the week after new moon are usually less connected than any posted in the days leading up to new moon, and that in cases when I go high when the sunspot number is very low (as in last week) then it is dangerous for me. Also when I go high very late before the new moon, say 2--3 days before, I have to be very careful to avoid the bad tail after the new moon such as last week. That was the strongest ever episode to happen outside of the week before new moon and the week before full moon, and has shaken my theories somewhat. It may be related to the current sunspot low and to the fact that the solar magnetic field will reverse shortly or has already done so, in which case my theories might have to be re-evalutated scientifically. (Ha, you say, well, we shall see, although it may take me another few observations to sort it out.) David Message fte:108 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:28:58 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: WretchAwry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:108 Subject: Re: world without end Thanks for that 8-star hug, Vickie, and I return it in kind, although lower case is all I can manage this week :-). ****hug**** Actually last week wasn't as bad as some of my alcohol or once marijuana-triggered pre-full-moon episodes, when I have had to go pretty well comatose for a couple of days. Last week was a case of magnified little fears, or one or more of my "o no s" turning inwards, and I managed to function throughout. Now that I know the timing and warning signs (false creativity and reduced sleep) I think I can avoid a repeat, so my guidelines are now to make sure I get enough sleep all the time, avoid booze whenever shaky and all the time 0--9 days before full moon (I may extend this, but booze was not involved last week), and try not to write too much stream of consciousness stuff, or if I do, save it for editing when I am in a boring mood. The period 1--5 days before new moon is when my writings should be most inspired and clear if I am getting enough sleep and am still a bit high. But this occurs only 1--3 times a year and if it happens late, as in early July, late August, and late December, I have to take measures to avoid problems the following week. Live and learn. Thanks; David Message fte:109 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:14:16 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <2F14120B@mailbag.des.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: fte:109 Subject: mood management (was Re: one list comment, re: taming) Bob Brewer wrote: >Maybe you were just having a bad day. Yes, but bad days are relative, with the m/d gene. At least mine are directed inwards, but I don't think I can afford to slip up the same way again. The edge is not forgiving. No, the serpent's tail came undone, I slipped on black ice, tiny groundless fears were amplified, and I barely managed to hold on in a strange world from very late Jan. 5 through late Jan. 7. However, it was not as bad as some of my alcohol triggered pre-full-moon states (which I now hope to avoid by avoiding booze 0--9 days before full moon), in which I went nearly comatose for a couple of days, that has not occurred in over a year, though. Last week I managed to keep up a mostly normal front, except for the post. The writing of the night after that got worse, the bad stuff started with an echo of the pain of multi-generational abuse of others through amplified fears about my own missing childhood memories. (I have no grounds for such fears, but the empathy hit me, as in the Auschwitz and clitorectomy parts of the earlier posts.) Then things got a little weird, I thought for a while that humans or maybe men had been rendered useless, that all were impotent unless they found the right combination, and some other weird fears, including a pass by the maple leaf flag and seven-trunked tree at Vanier Park, when I avoided going for a dip (actually wasn't ever close to su). So the moral of the story is that I will now be extra careful of any "inspiration" outside the period 1--5 days before new moon, and make sure to get sufficient sleep, that was the aggravating factor last week, not booze. I will have to avoid letting an overactive imagination take over again the week after new moon, pace myself, and save writings for editing when I am in a boring phase. Also if I go a bit high 2 days before new moon then I have to be extra careful the following week. However, such periods either connected high, loose "high/low", or shaky still occur only a couple of times each per year and I think I know how to avoid the worst pitfalls now. That was just to reassure you that all is well, and I will not be in complete lurker mode but will think twice about anything I post, including any concert reviews. David P.S. I could have avoided the worst of last week by taking a small amount of the bad medication early in the week, rather than a lot on Saturday, so if there is a next time I will follow that path; I should have at least taken some at the first sign of unfounded childhood monsters (shades of Lynda Barry?) instead of waiting until after a claustrophophic Railway jam, when I bet Heather noticed I was a little weird, and acting "blind" by being very introverted. I think it was a blow-up of sensitivity and empathy after the wrong turn, a week before I would have been fine. Don't get me wrong, I don't have problems every week, I have the potential to be in trouble 3-4 periods of 4-5 days each, every year, and can avoid the worst by sticking to the straight and narrow then, and being a little uptight (but then, I always was, that is why I have survived so long, if I was a loose extrovert to begin with, well, I'd either be locked up or on stage with Jim Carrey and Robin Williams). So anyway, back to my normally paced writings, which of course have been influenced by my experiences, a little zaniness survives, but the twicted editor is in control. The awl of fear has left me, I'm not flighty anymore... (But will feel better about a beer after full moon) But how will I make it as a scientist, without doping myself into stupidity? After all, I have no artistic talents, and my computer skills are like my french, adaptable. Sorry for burdoning you with this, my support list is way too busy, over 100 messages a day today so I piped themm into a self-generated digest and scanned the subjects and then deleted them all. Some good notes on Axl Rose, Jim Carrey, Patty Duke, etc, though. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:110 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:32:56 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501112126.NAA29232@uranus.calstatela.edu> Message-ID: fte:110 Subject: Re: Personality Ali wrote: >Absolutely. I enjoyed Tori's music before I met her. I liked her, but she >did not monopolize my CD changer. After I met her, I became one of her >biggest fans. The meeting was only about 10 seconds, but that was plenty. Sounds like a musical form of "shaktipat" , which in yoga is transmission of chakra awakening, or kundalini awakening, from person to person, sometimes all at once, sometimes a key. When I first met my Vancouver yoga teacher I noticed how energetic she seemed, although I did not actually see a glowing flower above her head. I went high for the first time beginning that night, after lightning, good food, ecstatic? late dancing to Zsa Zsa and Rockaway Revue, Aug. 31, 1991. But in your case it was a case of charisma, or just the fact that the good people are better live, and their sincerity grabs fans. Sorry about the chakra sparks, ignore them, but Gioia Irwin is a very good teacher, I have never had a major mood problem while in her class (we are on a break now and I am not practicing) except for the one where I smoked an entire strong joint on Wreck Beach during my alcohol/drug susceptibility week, which was stupid. But that might be related to when she plans her holidays, usually over Christmas and the hottest part of the summer. David Message fte:111 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:56:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:111 Subject: reviews promised, now that Xmas fool season is over! Hi all who haven't filtered me out by now; To make up for the 35773 byte stream-of-conciousness garbage post of last week, I promise (now that I have endured the Christmas fool psychic sacrifice that I hoped to avoid) to post serious reviews of The Freedom Sessions audio portion as soon as I get a copy (I need a calendar so maybe I'll trek by Nettwerkshop on Saturday) and also probably brief reviews of the bands that impress me at the Nettwerk 10th Anniversary concert in February, and the Mount Baker show, although I doubt I'll make it. If the reviews are good (in both ways) I will disseminate them widely on the net. Probably I will wait until I can have some red wine before reviewing The Freedom Sessions, so next week. Also, in real life, I am not so weird, and do not dwell on my illness all the time, so I promise to stop using FTE as a release/dumping ground, keep most of the junk to private diaries, my support group, and contemplation while walking in, like on this beautiful sunny morning, so that any snippets that get to you for frivolity are well percolated and short. Now that lots of others are keeping the humour level up, I can back off a bit and perhaps act like the serious uptight grad student I really am (no, that's a shield!). To put things in perspective, in 3.5 years of running music at the UBC grad centre, I have had to do sound while mood altered only twice, which is better than many sound techs who like chemicals. Once was six months ago, and I was actually enhanced, the band said I gave them better sound on stage than most big venues (but it was outdoors, and it did take me 20 minutes to figure out a stupid low end resonance monitor feedback from the standup bass mic at the beginning, that was weird because the main and monitor EQs ended up looking like the integral signs on the bass, and it sounded great, but I felt that the powers that be were teaching me a lesson). The second time was last Friday, and luckily Clambake's friend Brad did most of their sound, I got my and PaperBoys' friend Ariadne (a huge Sarah fan [actually she's tiny]) who is learning sound to do Steve Mitchell and some open mic'ers, so I only had to do setup and Tammy Fassaert and David Mosher, and did a good job despite a weird fantasy about how by twiddling the knobs I was curing musicians who were out of synch with nature (I later realized the musicians were actually curing me). Anyway, last night I asked Ariadne and Tammy by phone if I had said anything too weird last Friday and they said no, that I just seemed a little spaced out, so my mask held, except on this list. Also at the end of the night, after the last act, I told Ariadne to choose a CD for winding down and she grabbed my FTE copy off the bottom of the pile, where I had left it untouched all night, skipped to Good Enough, and then offered me a ride home, so I guess I wasn't too weird. But this week I will be good enough, for the PaperBoys, free G.I. for the first 100 grad students, others welcome, but I won't touch any beer until one pint of Guinness at the W.I.S.E. Sunday evening, no Railway Sat. or W.I.S.E. Thurs jams for me this week, next maybe. So anyway, I will dwell less on myself and more on art in future, and won't go into details of the weird empath amplifaction of last week (how does Deanna Troy block?) What did me in, after the big long post, was powerful empathy for the pain of others who have gone through child abuse, for the pain of women, and for the pain of nature [there was an inversion of the totem pole for a day or too, with me at the bottom]. I hope that these seeds from this year's mythic christmas fool sacrifice will bear positive fruits of change in future. Indeed, I bet I can turn snippets of last week's fertilizer into something beautiful. In any case, it will teach me to mask/separate better on the net as well as in future, which is good since if I ever get a job it will probably involve some sane networking, maybe I should have used a pseudonym for now, or will then. But then, I haven't sent terribly weird e-mail to my supervisor in 1.5 years or the UBC president's office in 3.5 years so perhaps I am learning to place things, and perhaps grad school has been a safe haven in which to learn. [3.5 years ago I had this big scheme to link downtown venues with different campus theme nights, save the campus, and save the world, all in two weeks, I missed that Friday the 13th Stoaters bash, got a card from them and Ellie O'Day in the hospital, and have been on the comeback trail ever since, but this month they are on FRiday the 20th and the PaperBoys are on Friday the 13th and I am on a nice low but damping level of lithium, and the sunspot number is near zero instead of 200, and there is no outdoor PNE Sarah concert 3 days before to _help_ lift me into spiritual bliss] Oh, anybody in town, Tammy is playing the Malcolm Lowry tonight (12th) at 10:30 but I won't be there. I'll be thinking about multichannel deconvolution and complex averaging functions, to get to sleep (but I should do that now, today, thesis that is). David, still fumbling P.S. 35773 is not prime, it is 83*431 but in any case it was not contrived, and I like odd numbers [of coughs, on Friday] Also I think the bad times are related to coronal holes, the good to flares, will check back solar data at ftp.uleth.ca In any case, the 162 day solar recurrence has physical grounding. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:112 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:33:22 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501122336.PAA24637@netcom3.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:112 Subject: Re:John S's "Stuff" and some other things Elana (E>) wrote, in reply to John (J>): E> The mailbox went creak, and I found a message from John Shepard: E> J> Just read Dalton's latest post, and I am somewhat E> J> startled by the change in him Well, so was I, but don't worry, I just plan to restrict myself to short bytes and dialogue and less long monologue at least for a while, but still some fun procrastination. E> I couldn't get all the way through it...could be because I have gotten E> to the point where If it's long, and Dalton writes it, my interest goes E> out the window. If some folks on the list read it and enjoy it, that's cool. E> I'm not complaining about him sending it HERE. I'm just saying that I'm a E> child of the eighties and if it doesn't interest me in the first two E> paragraphs, then fuckit. Actually, some of my posts have most of the content in the last two paragraphs, so perhaps read the first paragraph and the last paragraph and see if maybe the fumbled conclusion is any better than the long tortuous path that often could be left out. Else hit that remote control. Ow! I wish I could have left out some of my real long torturous path, is that a light, or another tunnel? E> J> . While this list has no real "leader" or "guru" per se, E> J> Dalton was probably the closest thing to it: no one else's messages E> J> elicited... What we are witnessing is the fall of our E> J> Emperor, and it is somewhat depressing. Let me know if you need any suggestions for medication or therapy. :-) Also the emperor has no close (writes too long for high traffic), from now on he will be an occasional clown, but with class. In the early days of FTE-list the list was too dry and low traffic so I tried to lighten it up, but now there are several of us fellow weirdos (is that -oes?) lightening it up, so my seeds have borne fruit, this is now a fun list, and I will be merely one of the crowd, not a deviant (never dominant) force. E> J> Things will never be the same again, E> Sorry, John, but I'm ruled by no human. No, but what is the sow goddess's name? Cerridwen? My big love is the big rhythms, too, but someday I hope to be found by somewom who shares that love, so we can both be ruled by love, not "loved" by rule. E> Especially not a man. (Went through E> that once...the hard way. Nothing against most men here.) More power to you, curves are better than rules anyway. E> And things change, kiddo. Trust me. Yes, indeed. Any poets in your family? Have you passed the age of 27.5 yet? That's when things really changed for me, through the heart of the sun, with Sarah's voice one of the keys, to Sol's Berry Hill. Yet still, I fumble, and it is mostly fun, maybe I can uncover the pitfalls so others can avoid them. E> J> Now, in the finest Dark Crystal tradition, we need a new Emperor. Like E> J> Chamberlain, I grabbed for the scepter (this morning's message) but E> J> dropped it (sent it to the wrong address). Now it is the Garthim... E> Ohboy. Maybe you should read _The Emperor's New Clothes_, eh? One weird fear I had last week was that Sarah was actually a papal castrato (is that spelled right) from some secret RC plot to produce great singers way back in the late sixties. That tells you how stoned I was, eh. But anyway, Napoleonic ice cream doesn't cut it. Oh, I know it's neopolitan. But I bet Sarah saw some great emperor (caesar salad) art in Rome, when is the slide show? How about a song, about the Cistine Ceiling? Here goes.... no, not without seeing it. E> nine inches of love, But in coiled fractal dimensions, that nine inches of love becomes infinite pleasure, with a few thorns of pain. (few! ha! ow! acupuncture, really?) David, now going back to dry empirical analysis for a time. can anyone get a good anagram for "emperor"? (or perhaps "McImpress"?) It's too early for me. Oh, and in case of long threads, Elana and John, can you keep your line lengths to 60 characters, it makes quoting a little easier. (Also it is easier to speed read, if I could.) --------------- David McDalton (no, actually the scot side is Walker, Dalton is anglo-Irish, Boland is Irish-Italian-gypsy, and Hawco Breton?) Hey, my glrrrss is empty, bye. Message fte:113 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:42:11 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:113 Subject: Re:Sarah downunder... Chad wrote: >On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, anthony baxter wrote: >> Still hoping that one day, sometime, Sarah will tour downunder... >> (yeah, riiight) >I thought that the original tour schedule had her going to Europe and >then touring down to Australia and New Zealand and maybe into Japan and >elsewhere. I think that was the original plan but perhaps that would have meant too long a delay between full length albums, or a rushed job on the next one, which we surely don't want. So the US tour is like a way of getting some final exposure in major US markets before the creative hiatus. But perhaps Cathy will correct me on that one. Any I bet Sarah could have written some good songs around a campfire with some aboriginals on Ayre's rock, or something, except that she would be too tired to do much. And I'd rather hear her thunder than downunder. (No, no poem today, besides downunder is not a word, but a state of mind, so she can mine it, but don't get trapped there, dance!) DD Message fte:114 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 13:57:06 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:114 Subject: thanks for the e-hugs, they worked! Thanks all those who have sent me e-hugs and psychic healing energy over the last four weeks (one mild irritable/intro week, 1.5 tired weeks, .5 christmas fool, and 1 christmas fool sacrifice). THEY WORKED! I feel great, I am out of the well of despair (no sign of the salmon of wisdom yet, though), and of the two unusual types of pre-full-moon episodes I told you about, this appears to be the nicer one, so perhaps I should write that birthday poem? But don't worry, I don't feel _too_ great, no emperor here. Also the "nicer" aspects got me wondering about Beethoven and this "Immortal Love" thing, I mean why are people wondering who the immortal love was, it was obviously his immortal midnight muse, calling out with musical waves of love, no real women. (Or she could have been a strong, musical gypsy/peasant woman who was the true love of his life and who introduced him to the rhythms of the 7th but who he could never marry due to class differences of the day, much to his despair.) good enough, see you later, take care, b'y D avid Message fte:115 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 19:36:01 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:115 Subject: belles, kook and candles Message fte:116 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:44:58 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HLX3V1HGU60094RB@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:116 Subject: Fartists, feminism, O-pinioning... summary: response to Kevin and John on female artists voice transformation filters are you a feminist? mutually pinioning an O (not!) transportation and standing s-tones baked Alaska recipe in poem form (not really) group birthday song composition? burns day (nights are the burning of days) notes on F-artist Colleen Eccleston (watch for CD this year) pregnancy and voice improvement? notes on F-artist Shannon Moore damn this got way too long again. oh, there's the rub (eraser). naw. Kevin and John, you should both check out the ecto list if you haven't already. I'm not on it yet, because I don't have the time. I have a bias towards some Fartists since they often are more open, sing of truth and feeling, and get inside me more, like the sirens softly (or was it sweetly) singing, in tales of brave ulysses. My collection includes people such as Sarah, Mae Moore, Loreena McKennit, k d lang, Michelle Shocked, Sam Weis, Sinead O'Connor, Figgy Duff, Mary Margaret O'Hara, Tanita Tikaram, Ferron, Sue Medley, 10000 Manics, Janis Joplin, Pretenders, Enya, that Brass in Pocket woman (I suddenly have a block on her name so it must be important), Patsy Cline, Tammy Fassaert, Jenny Allen, Colleen Eccleston, Eileen McGann, Kate Bush (doesn't do much for me yet), Melissa Etheridge, Cowboy Junkies, Jane Siberry, the Freedom to Love woman (another block), Holly Near, Marie Lynn-Hammond, Etta James, Bonnie Raitt, Iris Dement, and more, with Ferron and Sarah being about the most listened to currently, so Feb 11 may be a double concert rush job. But before 1985 or so my collection was the usual male-biased juvenile top40 stuff, and only after then did I make a conscious (at first) effort to rectify the imbalance. Also, it isn't just women's voices that move me, but any that convey the song with pure emotion, become one with the song, and that includes some guys such as Roy Forbes, Bill Bourne, Tom Waits, Ron Hynes, Art Bergmann (sometimes), Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Neil Young, Van Morrison, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Del Shannon and lots more. (But I don't particularly care for the Crash Test Dummies singer's voice, it sounds like he is swallowing air or something, perhaps I associate the voice with someone stuffy. Also the Tea Party I find a bit pretentious but with potential, and Sara Craig and Veda Hille haven't done much for me live yet. Ani is good, but I missed her this time, for sound duties on Friday and mediocre pool and second hand smoke last night (actually Ani was sold out, anyway). Xmas93 when I took a bunch of CDs home and hooked my portable up to my sister Anne's stereo, she was more impressed by the guys (e.g., Bill Bourne) and not too impressed by FTE, I think, but maybe she just likes more roll in the voice. But c'est la vie, once people mature, they probably are biased to voices that also appeal to their sexual resonances, if they have any. Also she is 43 and a single mom with two young (4,7) children so she tends to have lighter stuff on the stereo, stuff they can appreciate as well, at least until after bedtime. But I bet if she went to a Sarah concert she would like her. (Anne was a mother and father to me, pretty well, although the other five helped somewhat as well, and I guess having three strong oldest sisters has shaped my tastes in music and women somewhat. Hey, how many of you would describe yourselves as feminists? I would, and in the FEM include the big FEM, the planet, in whose womb we are still fumbling.) John wrote: >Would I still like Sarah McLachlan's music if she had been born >a man? Are you sure she wasn't? Does it really matter? Like, it would be child's play to take a guy's voice and do computer processing on it to give it the range of a woman, even live if necessary. That is, certain characteristics of a voice are very individual, but there are some range and other characteristics which can be used to generate a synthetic voice. By developing a filter that maps from one such synthetic voice to another, a person could sing into a mic and come out sounding completely different. Now this would be great for simulating samples live, so that instead of using the sample live, the singer's voice would get translated to the range (etc) of the sample, or whatever. Now that is all a load of doo doo, but I'll think about it some more later, maybe with the help of my Audiology friend Richard who also is a musician (amateur). Oh, probably John Nicol, Audiology computer manager, who holds court with the Railway Club monday night hockey pool crowd after 1 a.m. (I may go for the poetry tonight, my sister Mary really liked Patrick Friesen's latest book) can advise. But with such vocal encoding, perhaps Sarah could sound like a loon or a dolphin or whatever, at least slightly. Like, I don't even sound like a loon :-) . >Probably not. But then, I'd never have discovered her in >the first place if she had been a man (I'd never have noticed, >anyway) Captured by the videos? I haven't seen any yet, in fact I probably wouldn't recognize her if she walked by me in the street, since I haven't been up too close at any concerts since the Railway thingie to thank them for the Steaming video. Also she changes her look regularly and may even use street disguises, like royalty of old used to do. Anyway, I was captured (to her music) by her voice and words, I wouldn't care if she was a man or a gwm or bif or an old hag with two left feet and cross-eyes and one nostril bigger than the others. But probably her voice and form both reflect a profound inner strength and resonance, like acoustic medicine --- sing yourself to good health by breath control and inner tuning of chi. >Two Davids, two Kevins, two Johns... and people wonder why I >walk around confused all the time. :-) Oh, I haven't felt like I was splitting in two since the problems after the last time (May92) I smoked a joint (although it might be OK at the right time of the month). That was also when I felt I was suddenly living in frequency instead of time, and had to slowly learn to interpret the chaos, by some kind of biological fourier transform, deconvolution and migration, like what whales do (in retrospect). But no, my sound tech skills are still pretty shoddy most of the time, jack of owl triads again. >All opinions expressed above are entirely my own. It is impossible to pinion an O. (or is that to onion a \pi?) >Flame gently. I sunburn easily. Well, if I'm going to burn up, burn me with an intense fire, (don't torture a lover to ice with dying embers, make baked alaska) DEFINE pinion pin-ion{1} n. 1. A bird's wing. 2. The outer rear edge of a bird's wing, containing the primary feathers. 3. A primary feather of a bird.-tr.v. -ioned,- ion-ing,- ions. 1. a. To remove or bind the wing feathers of (a bird) to prevent flight. b. To cut or bind (the wings of a bird). 2 To restrain or immobilize (a person) by binding the arms. 3. To fix in one place; make fast.[ME pynyon -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:117 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 19:06:51 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9501170247.AA11327@cc.brynmawr.edu> Message-ID: fte:117 Subject: Re: Fartists, feminism, O-pinioning... Hi Cheryl; Nice to hear from you again! You wrote: >Hi! It's been a while, but I still read your posts. I went through a VERY >productive period a couple months ago and I'm now ending (hopefully) a >hibernation period. Why is it always all or nothing?! I think you need to recharge in between productive periods, that the body/mind cannot go at the same pace all the time but must slow down some of the time, as dictated by the rhythms of nature imprinted in us by eveolution. >Anyway, the "Brass in Pocket" woman is the lead singer from the Pretenders >(Chrissie Hynde). Oh, actually I was thinking of Marianne Faithful, and the "Freedom to Love" woman is Faith Nolan. The song I was trying to thing of was "Broken English" which is appropriate for me (I think I'll post a short follow-up on this.) >I noticed that Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez are missing >from your collection. Is that because you haven't listened to them yet? >(which I doubt since you're in Canada), or do you not like them? I guess >the third option (always looking for options) is that you just don't own >anything by them. I actually have a compilation CD by Joan Baez but don't listen to her much. Joni I like a bit but have never been moved enough to rush out and buy a CD, I may get the new one when I have some more funds again. >>Oh, I haven't felt like I was splitting in two since the >>problems after the last time (May92) I smoked a joint >>(although it might be OK at the right time of the month). > >That's the last time you smoked a joint?! With all your marijuana talk, I >thought it was a semi-regular thing. Oh, no, I've been stoned only a few times in my life, and since I had one panic attack and one bad mixed episode (panic attack + distortions, as mentioned above I don't touch the stuff. But it might be safe a week before new moon, most of my few drug/alcohol induced problems were the week before full moon, or up to a few days after for the joint episode. >>I think about our (musical) father's passing when I was 5, >>which I can't remember, indeed I can't remember him at all >>but I guess he affected my late musical interests, which may >>have been blocked early (actually I'm musically illiterate). >>And I guess seeing my world (mother) die in front of me at 6 months >>must have blocked something, but I think her spirit helped protect me. >> >I'm really sorry to hear that you lost both your parents so early. It must >have been hard on your sisters to raise you. Did they give you lots of >memories of your parents? Did they have any other family help? Well, Mary is 14 years older than I, but was away at university, Anne is 13 years older, so she was 18 and in local university. So aunts and uncles helped a bit in the first couple of years, and with other siblings ranging from 12 to 16 there were plenty of babysitters for me, 5. Then after 2--3 years Anne got a job teaching elementary school, and things were stable. Really she was my main support, the other sisters were away more. But they didn't give lots of memories at first since they were all so traumatized themselves or perhaps did not want to awaken trauma in me. But later on, I heard some, could get more if I asked, and also some from neighbours and aunts and uncles and my sister Mary's poetry books. >You seem to be getting there...keep fumbling. Thanks, I hope I get somewhere soon, but of course we always keep fumbling, or die of boredom. David Message fte:118 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 19:10:09 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:118 Subject: F-artists correction When I said the "Brass in Pocket" woman I meant the "Broken English" (appropriate for me) woman, Marianne Faithful. The other block, "Freedom to Love" is Faith Nolan. So that is odd, two faiths. Oh, many faiths. or fates? And I have no Joni Mitchell, Peter Gabriel, Tori Amos yet. Message fte:119 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 0:19:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9501170640.AA10483@julian.uwo.ca> Message-ID: fte:119 Subject: little boxes on the hillside (was Re: can one addjust...) ViC wrote: > Tears are good. Its coping. Don't be ashamed. Yes, it is worse to trap tears inside, where they turn to soul poison, than let them flow, river of cleansing, sobs of rhythm that eventually will turn to gold. Maybe some chemicals are exuded in tears? Or others generated as a byproduct of tear generation? >Try to understand the >cause and then preventatively flag it before it happens and try out some of >the million and 1 folk-lore remedies, old-wives tales, tribal medicine, >spiritual attunement, mystical searches, homeopathics, naturopathics, >osteopathic, accupuncture, allopathic, hypnotism, psychology, >psychopharmacology, nutrition, herbology. Yes, but medication is also useful for some to get kick started towards a normal rhythm. Once there, you can retune your system back towards the rhythms of nature, encoded in us by evolution and by the climate and possibly geomagnetic conditions in the months after birth. It is better to find an old wife who has gone through it hirself, to help you avoid the pitfalls. I find that bright morning light when low in the mornings, use of an air ionizer when irritable, breathing exercises, musical and other rhythms, exercise in nature with contemplation, lots of water, B-6, chromium, kelp, evening primrose oil(?), exposure to the good pheromones of others, avoidance of acoustic or other pollutants (incl. too much shsmoke) or allergens, and taking extra care at certain times of the month and year has really helped. But it can take a couple of years to figure yourself out, and move from the well of despair and blindness and the tree of runic madness to the salmon of wisdom, tom thumb's plum. >from normalcy for what he sees in you that he values. The point is until >you've tried em all then you still got tons of things to try, and somewhere >along the way you may even find some support type folks who generate an >ambiance, aura of goodwill and wellbeing that ya can't help but get affected by. Yes, some people have the glow, the rhythm entrainment, the pheromones, the shaktipat, or whatever, so start a commune of manic depressives and your cycles may all come in tune, like women living together whose menstrual cycles synchronize. (A local songwriter, Shannon Moore, has a song about how "ideas bleed", which appeals to me because of my monthly susceptibility patterns.) Also I guess the Well Being has been reasonable easy on me, all considering, along with the tree, sea, sun, moon and earth resonances. > You've got everything going for ya and if its not all sorted and in a >perfect little box, then you can figure out how, to or learn how to forget >about little fucking boxes in your life. Organize everything perfectly in a fucking little box and you have a coffin. Instead, leave it where you can get at and FEEL it, and leave it CONNECTED. So the key is to develop linkages, reach out, dance but pace yourself, don't do it all at once, build that web with others and nature a step at a time, and feel those walls of depression come down, and tightrope of mania turn to a net, that has holes but you know how to avoid the worst of them, or just treat them as your annual psychic sacrifice that you must endure to reach the fruits of hidden knowledge. And I don't think I would like fucking in a little perfect box, the best boxes I have known have been cozy and elastic and living, not perfect, nobody's perfect, if they are they are dead, they have nowhere left to go. for unLAWful carnal knowlege change to for unWALLful carnal knowledge or for UN-lawful carnal knowledge where the un is a french word and the one law is LOVE DEFINE carnal car-nal adj. 1. Relating to the desires and appetites of the flesh or body; sensual. 2. Worldly or earthly; temporal.[ME tables --> stable so maybe I will stay stable for a while. Phew! But maybe it is two balls? But I don't like Ballroom dancing. David, still predicting some mood change in late February and a nice mystic high around May 24, for me. (right now I'm just playing and don't have any good rhythms for real poetry, this was a procrastination post) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:120 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 2:35:06 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:120 Subject: freedom sessions Here's a 2 a.m. semi-poem freedom sessions ----------------- Free dom in a trice Sessions with S-hrink Goode volume, melts ice Hold on for dawn's pink (pink dawn => sailor's warning => mary says: stay home for breakfast in bed) DRD Message fte:121 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:13:41 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950117192323_4427413@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:121 Subject: Hoppy Birthday, Rabecca (was ge:Ode to Dalton) Hi Rabecca; A big HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you, you, you!!! But I am not in shape to write a birthday poem today, suffering from staying up too late last night, plus maybe weather change. >I'm not sure why I enjoy reading David's stuff, when I only understand a >fraction of it and I skim the rest. Don't want to miss anything, I suppose. But that's what I've been doing all my life, is skimming different things and then only much later do they come back to haunt me. And when I am in superlinkage mode, what I do is get about 20 books out of the library, and then use my divinatory thumb to skim through them on first go, and then follow up on anything [actually more often I don't follow up on anything] that catches my interest. In the same way, when speed scrolling through a long computer message that I don't have time to read, sometimes there will be a word or phrase that catches my eye or subliminal eye or subconscious or whatever and I will stop and follow it up. Maybe it is those chi waves coming out of the keyboard ( :-) ) and schooling me along. Yeah, right! As if the earth is going to work through the net for little ol' me, lowly tool, lonely fool. >Good news: it's my birthday and I'm not having an existential crisis! Better >take myself shopping, though, since it seems unlikely anyone else will. Are you going to do it on the net, browsing the Nettwerk site? And why are you signed on this late on your birthday? Anybody on the list in her city, drag he out to party, with her consent, right away! I am immediately sending some circling geomantic waves into the net to spark your virtual birhday candle wishes. :-) > (Happy birthday, early, to youngster John "the .sigmaster" Shepard!) I thought he was an unsung master (i.e., unsigmaster, not unhung). >I promise only to ramble like this on my birthday or when provoked Are you ticklish? I promise only to ramble like this when invoked. (I was going to say in-toked, but don't do that, or that I would not ramble on my birthday, which should be true because I won't be signing on that night, I'll either be hosting a party or boogying [that ying doesn't look right] to the penetrating rhythms of some hard rock miners.) David, at 5 p.m. Message fte:122 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:02:21 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:122 Subject: guitars Does anyone know what kind of guitars, pickups, and amps Sarah uses? I liked the tone of the one on the FS version of Mary, I think, although it may have been a different song (I'm in slow mode today). Regarding guitars, it seems that curved instruments are sexier than straight ones, which might explain why the Chapman stick hasn't caught on yet, maybe they should give it a bit of an S curve and a set of curved resonators at the bottom, or maybe a C curve, like a canoe, acoustic boat. DavidD Message fte:123 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:17:30 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HM1A46E4GQ00CHNU@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:123 Subject: male is in the card (was Re: Card is in the mail!) Shepherd wrote: >I was thinking about what I said yesterday, about my expelled >gas remarks, and how Sarah might react if she read them. Expelled gas can cause flames, if the sparks are there, but probably not flames of the right type. (i.e., don't put your candles too close to you know what, after your romantic winter dinner of baked beans, unless you are ready for takeoff, eh.) Also probably Sarah's f-arts are musical, like her doo-doo's, and the tone may vary with onion consumption (refer to Bob Seger's "The Fire Down Below"). Seriously, in September I speculated that the acoustic characteristics, as well as the chemical content, of farts could be used to detect early warning signs of illness. Sariously? OK, at least I'll keep it short, work beckons. DavidD Message fte:124 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:47:44 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:124 Subject: Re:we popped the champagne today! CathyB wrote: >FTE: over a million copies sold today!! yahoo! Congratulations! Now to go from 10^6 to 10^6.66 or 4.6 million. Hmmm... guess that will have to be the next one. Only my intuition (mostly wrong) tells me it will be 6.4 million. >back to the bubbly.....! ;-> You're making me thirsty, I'll have to head off to the W.I.S.E. sooner than planned. Oh, you meant bubble bath, sounds like fun, didn't know there was a hot tub at Nettwerk. :-) Or, maybe it is related to this recent onion thread on sci.geo.geology [I guess I won't post this to the fte-list, I will have to be apparently on topic for a while.] -------- >Newsgroups: sci.geo.geology >From: dejonge@hotspot.geof.ruu.nl (Marc de Jonge) >Subject: Re: Magma Bubble >In article <884821861wnr@landscap.demon.co.uk>, Nick@landscap.demon.co.uk (Nick Austin) writes: >|> It has been predicted by Gordon-Michael Scallion that earth >|> changes ... He believes that the cause of these earth changes is what >|> he calls a "magma bubble" beneath the USA continent. >There is some magma below the western U.S.. But it is only a very minor feature >compared to for example the Pacific rim or the mid-atlantic ridge. -------- [lots snipped, check the end of sci.geo.geology if you want the scoop, there is indeed an upwelling in the west but the time scales are too long for anything in 1995 as Scallion has said, and as for me, I think any changes will have to come through people] A million bubbles to ease your troubles and cork my foibles [fubbles] David Message fte:125 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:16:55 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501200333.WAA15898@remus.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: fte:125 Subject: Re: Sarah Boots? I didn't know she was into boots. Does she wear them on stage, ever? I do know she talks about the one who possesses her sole. At least she doesn't get boo-ed on stage (just woo-ed). DD Message fte:126 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:31:10 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950119214659_7069887@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:126 Subject: earthquakes, etc Hi Rabecca; Sounds as though you had a great time on your birthday! Here's a quick reply, have to run soon. You wrote: >That's an interesting way of doing things, to be sure. Your subconscious, >suliminal and all other brain departments must be crammed full of useful and >useless factoids and thought fragments! Oh, I don't do the skimming all the time, more so the couple of weeks a year when I am hypomanic, but I have always had broad interests. But my memory is not that great, so the surface departments are not crammed, only some deep area that I only access when I am in late night linkage mode, or something. >The beginning of the Persian Gulf >War, the Northridge earthquake and now Kobe all happened on my birthday. > What should I make of this disastrous coincidence? Should I be worried? No, big earthquakes happen every day around the world, and it is just a coincidence, or you could look at it as bad luck that balance the good luck of your birth, or that with all the bad things that have happened in the past on your birthday (plus the big good one of your birth) there will have to be a lot of good ones in the future to balance it, statistically. Also, lots of good event don't make the news. >haven't been sleeping well all week, I think because of the huge >concentration of sorrow and suffering surrounding Kobe. That could be, I didn't sleep too well for a while but last night fell asleep early with my bedside ionizer on and felt great in the morning, that could be partly due to the change in weather systems overnight. The main thing is to not obsess over things you cannot change in the short term, just make your vows to gradually and stably do what you can to change them over time. >Then again, could be >too much chocolate consumption. Oh, to be consumed again... I'll save my >thoughts on the collective consciousness for another time, perhaps another >audience, but I know it's there because I feel it. I thought you said chocolate consciousness for a second. :-) But I agree, there is a collective consciousness, and I also believe it includes the planet and all systems in the planet, and even the universe, at different levels. But if you connect with it, pace yourself, else you may burn out like I have before. Must run, David Message fte:127 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:01:57 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:127 Subject: 3-part: trees content traffic (was Treemendously Sexy) ---------- summary: A. tree musings B. a promise for content, length, and meaning C. How I deal with high traffic lists. ---------- A. John Nogueira wrote: JN>John Shepard wrote: JN> JS> Been Done To Death. The question was something like "Do you find JN> JS> women sexually attractive? You don't have to answer if you don't JN> JS> want..." Sarah's response, unedited, was "I find people in JN> JS> general sexually attractive. I find the people in alt sexier than the people in general, but people on mailing lists are much more friendly -- I would have been toasted to a cinder (not with bubbles) long ago on most newsgroups. Thanks for putting up with my growing pains, I will try not to repeat them, see section C for some thoughts on that. JN> JS> But then I find trees sexually attractive too." I find threes... actually my address/phone number is full of of trees --- who said she didn't have a Maritime accent? I like that tree picture on the new web page, the tree looks really nice, it must have been frondled gently. Just check out some of McLachlan's artwork and I bet you will find some trees, or at least tree spirits. Now I'll have to do that myself again, check out fine artwork. Making love in a tree might be a bit uncomfortable for at least one person, though, maybe under a tree would be best, taking shelter from the pounding storm, seeking warmth in one another, twin fires in the night, tree as matchmaker, not matches. As I have said before, the third love, or matchmaker, for me is probably the planet and its resonances (including trees) through which I dance, fumble and occasionally stumble. So there is no H20 scenario, with me the tiny bead of water between two lovers, or the 0 with two H-s. Instead picture two fated lovers, merging in mutual pleasure to renew the earth. No, more likely I will remain a solitary ship in the night, diverting any passion into works of f-art. A-muse for two, indeed! Rilke would not approve (actually I haven't finished that yet, due to the library book backlog, and really I'm a pushover). And of course, I live in the land of tree streets, Kitsilano, with that nice fork tree outside Benny's Bagel's at Larch, a bulbous pregnant one at 8th and Vine (?), lots of multiple trunked ones, and right outside my window at Balsam, a twin-trunked tree with the trunks winding in a slight s-curve around each other, merging into one whole that together bridges underworld and outerworld, but separated would shrivel and die. You know, I will have to get a tree book and learn to identify them, someday soon. JN> Wow! I made the cut (pun not intended) on both counts. I'll admit that JN> you may have to brush (again, pun not intended) up on your Portuguese to JN> get that one. Perhaps Mr. Dalton can decipher this one on his next trip JN> to the library. I'll have to ask the next time I drop by Santos tapas (rarely) or just ask friendly prof Tad Ulrych, who trots between here and Brazil very frequently. And I still have some of Taliesin, The Tain, The White Goddess, Geomagnetism, Queen Victoria --- Gender and Power, Pagan Symbolism in Ancient Europe, Electromagnetic and Acoustic Scattering by Simple Shapes, etc, to skim through. Some Newfoundlanders in port towns have Portuguese blood, but I am pretty sure I don't. But they also left other seed, of music and more. B. Sorry for the limited Sarah content (actually, she's responsible for her own content) but I guess my view of this list is that we are a group of people who have in common a liking for Ms. McLachlan's music (MMM) and that while the overall focus should be on the music, discussion should be allowed to wander a bit to related topics, or brief stuff inspired by the music. I do apologize for some frequent recent lengthy and thick posts, those who know me will know that this is a cyclic phenomenon and is unlikely to recur with such intensity for at least a couple of months. I will try to ensure that my posts are reasonably short, and have at least some Sarah content, probably at the top. Instead of long rambling bizarre blocks with no surface meaning, I will endeavor to write things well, in paragraphs, and make sure that the outer layer of meaning is easily grasped, while there may still be some nice double entendres for those few who like them. If I do feel moved to put in a short poetic fragment or bizarre paragraph, I will put it at the end. I will try not to average more than 80 lines per post or 1 post per day, probably fewer, even though this list is actually rather low traffic compared to my other one, pendulum, which I am starting to divert some of my mythology and medical musings to, as well as beginning to support more troubled souls now that I am back on firm ground (I won the pool tournament at the grad centre Tuesday with a level of play that I haven't been at since July, and am now inserting paragraph breaks, but still don't know when to go home). C. Oh, for high traffic lists I create my own digest by saying move unread to folder-name open folder-name (delete from=dalton) pr to=monash This pipes all fte messages to the pager, and then I scan for subject headers with /subject: the first time round, and just / every time after that. This is on Unix with ean, but your mail program probably has similar or better features. Perhaps I will try out pine and mailtool so I can advise you on those, but I think there is a good online help. And as usual, anyone with mood problems feel free to e-mail me for some confidential support, or pointers to online resources that can reduce the stumbling in the fumbling. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:128 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:13:27 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:128 Subject: personal massages Sarry about the personal messages on the list, usually they have other layers of meaning and I thought that some besides the recipient would get a chuckle from them on this low traffic music clubhouse list. In future I will send very off-topic replies off-list, and perhaps I will just write that birthday poem in the sand rather than sending it to the list. Note, Vickie, that was not an apology, given the spelling, or accent. David Here's an off-topic keyboard divined poem snippet, for the junkies: a pack of cards the joker missing seven of hearts prepare to ring (i'm not yet sure what that means, but hope this slist doesn't get TOO dry, like the crack of doom) Message fte:129 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:30:37 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:129 Subject: correction Oops, I mistyped the last poem snippet, which is from a pendulum thread, was part of my attempt to extinguish some flames between others there. Anyway, there is no "the" on "joker" Message fte:130 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:48:21 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:130 Subject: tree music Here is a quote from p. 320-321 of John Matthews' Taliesin, which I think is OK in the thread on Sarah's love for trees. " Is not the tree the musician's treasure? The fruit of its increase, its inspiring brew, ages over five cauldrons, (brewing) and Gwion's river, and good weather, and honey and clover, and intoxicating mead pleasing to the pen-dragon, a gift of the druids. " i.e, the fruit of the tree are words and notes, boiled in the cauldrons of inspiration, probably lubricated with some red wine. Davidd Message fte:131 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 21 Jan 1995 1:24:03 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: cornholio boy In-Reply-To: <199501202320.SAA06543@remus.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: fte:131 Subject: Re: personal massages Thanks, woj, and I often post my doo elsewhere, such as penulum or USenet groups, but lately more has been to fte. Re sunspots, my mood doesn't map directly to them, but they are one of several factors that when lined up make it more likely that I have a mood change. Probably I'll be able to figure it out eventually. David Message fte:132 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 1:45:45 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:132 Subject: Freedom Sessions review + fog + sunspots + boots The subject line lied, I will go back on my promise to write a review this weekend, since I have been in dry/introvert/boring/tired/serious/slightly-low mode since Friday morning. Also my CD player seems to be getting sick, I will have to take my portable home. (After repeated play of FS, my CD player has burned up? No, it probably just needs some tender loving care [cleaning, dare the rub].) The lack of weird posts from me is more due to my own mood than to your flames --- I promise to continue posting a few juicy snippets in future, for your delete key's delight, or subconcious seeds to heal your deleterious nightmares and fuel delicious dreams. And if I hit myself with some rigid sleep, diet and exercise self-regulation over the next few days, I may write that review. (More likely I'll just take the original pre-review and tidy it up, removing the chi stuff or couching it in more descriptive terms.) Any birthday poem cannot be contrived, it must flow, and it would flow better if some of you inspired me with your own writings on the list. After all, my best posts are the leech ones, not the 35733 byte originals. (But "leech" has several meanings.) Tonight the fog is thick in Vancouver, reminds me of my first Christmas here, 1985, a ghostly town, bereft of soul; hope I don't go down like 1986. No, I will use the power of music to keep the inner flame alive. From "finger solar@xi.uleth.ca", the sunspot number is fairly high, 93, and it was rather low during my last "high", so I am beginning to think that perhaps during the 11-year reverse polarity cycle (the sun's magnetic field reverses every 11 years, so the full cycle takes 22 years to complete, although the amplitude cycles in 11 years, 11+, 11-) I may be more likely to go high when the sunspot number is low and more likely to be low when it is high. I hope not, since it will be getting much higher towards the turn of the century. And, looking at the space weather on "http://www.sel.bldrdoc.gov/", solar activity is very low, with less than C-class flares, no M-class flares of the type that could make me soar, perhaps in late Feb, more likely around May 22--25, but not in time for a bizarre birthday poem. Oh well, I can(?) still write when low to normal, so we shall see, later this week... And I will make my own www page someday soon, after reviewing what I know of SGML, reading it's subset HTML's guidelines, and scanning in a couple of things. It may be funky at first but I will tone it down if I ever have to use it as an electronic resume for oily types to see. I have some great NF music going now, suddenly feel better, or perhaps it is just that it is 1:35 a.m. ..bridgett's reel...all night long, chasing the dragon (thomas trio)... out behind the house/up the southern shore...sarah lives on a farm... (oh, boots, and all DAT, are made for waulking) DaviD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:133 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:31:04 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9501231546.AA25196@royce.nymetro.COM> Message-ID: fte:133 Subject: Re:Freedom Sessions review + fog + sunspots + boots Hi Mike; you wrote: >Very creative and interesting, but what does any of the below have >to do with Sarah? Huh? I had promised to write a full review of Freedom Sessions on the weekend, in this last post I explained why, and also why I didn't feel I would come up with a cute Sarah birthday poem for this week. You could have stopped after the first paragraph. Many of my writings are inspired by Sarah's music and I often include some links to her music in them, but you may not get them. At least ten people on the list have expressed an appreciation for some of my writings, many others have said they don't care, so feel free to use your delete key. As I have said before, my view of the list is that it is like a clubhouse, where we all have a love for Sarah's music in common, but discussion can vary a bit from the usual dry tour lists, concert set lists occasional reviews and the like. Granted, I will try not to vary too far, and will include at least some Sarah content in every post, or a pointer to how the writing was inspired by Sarah's music. The list is very low traffic, so a little frivolity is not out of place. David Message fte:134 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:21:06 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501232328.AA25798@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: fte:134 Subject: help for obsession (was Re: Stalking Sarah) Michael passed on the Ottawa Express article on Uwe, I will comment on some quotes from it at the end of this post, but first must say that his death was a great tragedy, it is a shame that he did not reach out for help on alt.support.depression or the like, or I and others would have tried to guide him to a better way out. And now I am pissed off at myself, because really he did cry out, on this list, and I think I did not reply, or wait, maybe I did, but not strongly enough. Anyway, those who may be beginning to get obsessed, here are some clippings from my files, I will be happy if they help even one person on this list, so no flames about being off-topic, please. (However I have not needed any of these resources myself.) First, a quote from a post of mine to someone suffering relationship breakup and associated obsession: "Why would you be interested in a person who is not in the least interested in you? That is obsession, and it is unhealthy and leads to circular negative thoughts which indeed do increase depression. Depression may have contributed to the failure in the first place, and the failure makes it worse. But if you can put that failure aside and work on breaking out of depression, then new relationships will come along. Expand your circle, and your energy, away from the isolated depression." This was a bit unrelated to fan obsession, but in fan obsession it helps to also widen your circles, find healthier obsessions (like improving yourself, and improving the world) until you will find that you begin to shine in yourself and will attract a soulmate. For those who cannot break the loop, you may need an antidepressant to break the cycle, but not for life. Some obsessive-compulsive-disorder (OCD) sufferers have gotten benefit from Prozac, but drugs that may work even better for OCD include Anafranil and Luvox. If you have mood cycling and mood highs as well as lows you will probably need to take a small amount of lithium, depakote or tegretol in addition to the antidepressant, tegretol may be more useful if you suffer from outward irritability and violence with your "highs" (which I don't, and I haven't taken an antidepressant since very early 1987, other than lithium). Anyway, I think Anafranil is the most recommended for OCD. From a tricyclic FAQ: "Clomipramine (Anafranil) is a somewhat specialized tricyclic agen t only recently introduced into the United States and approved specifically for the treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder, in contrast to the other members of this class which have a broader range of accepted uses" From a drug list: "fluoxetine Prozac Antidepressant/Anti-OCD fluvoxamine Luvox Antidepressant/Anti-OCD" From a post to pendulum: --- "There is an OCD web server at this address: http://mtech.csd.uwm.edu/~fairlit/ocd.html At this server there is information on a lot of the antidepressants too. If you have mosaic it shows the molecular structure of the different drugs." ------ A note from Dr. Goldberg on Luvox: Luvox is an SSRI that has been available in Europe and Canada for a number of years. Like Anafranil, a highly serotonergic tricyclic antidepressant (with lots of side- effects) it is being approved only for the treatment of OCD. Luvox os sometimes successful, both as an anti-OCD agent, and as an antidepressant, for some people whp have not responded to Prozac, Zolift, and Paxil. > Buchanan says Vandrei's home was well-stocked >with computer equipment, and that the computer >engineer was a well-known presence on several >Internet newsgroups. (Psychologist Stevens says many >obsessive loners are turning to the Internet to find >some sort of social fulfillment.) But the net, if properly used, with balance, can act as a healing force. Sure, it gives you a shield, a virtual personality to hide behind, but you can gradually develop new social skills on the net. However you have to maintain activity in other social spheres as well, and gradually bring your Internet confidence into them. I once speculated that this might be beneficial for the painfully shy and even the autistic. > Other neighbors tell of meeting Vandrei on the >street and immediately finding themselves involved in >a mostly one-sided conversation of the merits of >McLachlan's music. That is another reason why we should allow the discussion on this list to go slightly off-topic on occasion; I mean, good as she is, there are only so many things I can say about Sarah and her music without getting in deep doo-doo, at least until I learn more about music. In the words of Sting: "If you love somebody set them free." Thus while I could fall for someone like Sarah very easily if she wanted me to, if she decided she no longer wanted me I would get packing; it takes two to tango. For me my main obsession is staying stable and not overly obsessed in anything, by diversifying and linking various intellectual and social spheres. My second obsession is chasing the midnight muse, the rare stable natural mystic high; sure, Sarah is one of my mortal muses, but that does not entitle me to disturb her heaven. So now, instead of a birthday poem addressed to Sarah (I don't think I would have done that anyway, except obliquely) I will try to write a 27 line one inspired by her, with a different song title incorporated in each line, or something, while procrastinating as usual. Anyway, the 27 birthday kisses thing is too hard a geometry problem for me to solve without help, the order depends on chaotic instabilities in feedback, which are not easily computable, and like mo(i)st mysteries are a truly hairy problem. DavidD P.S. I think the ice of the last 3--4 days is melting, or perhaps it is just the morning blahs again, which I can use light and walking to dispel. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:135 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:04:54 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:135 Subject: correction on OCD www page The OCD www page is not http://mtech.csd.uwm.edu/~fairlit/ocd.html but http://mtech.csd.uwm.edu/~fairlite/ocd.html (the typo was not mine, but a cut and paste of someone else's. The page has a cute "CD with sectors" button.) DD Message fte:136 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 0:21:12 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501240648.WAA02465@netcom17.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:136 Subject: Re: help for obsession (was Re: Stalking Sarah) Thanks, Elana, and I don't feel too bad since I did at least send him one e-mail of advice, and probably he would have rejected any attempt at help anyway. I think his family and friends fell down on their part, though. (But one friend of his did post to alt.support.depression on his behalf, and I guess he couldn't be committed until he endangered himself or another; perhaps he never actually threatened Sarah.) So anyway, I am not going to blow up this "what if" guilt. David Message fte:137 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 1:59:34 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:137 Subject: Usenet addiction, help! + 10th anniversary tix I take back what I said about my obsessions; obviously my main obsession today (Monday) is the net, I spent over six hours on newsgroups, two mailing lists and (more importantly) sorting through old e-mail today. Somebody must have broken into my account, there are a lot of weird postings in there, and far too much embarrassing personal stuff that could be used for teasing or blackmail (not really, if everyone already has it). Still, I felt a twinge of redness on Fri. 13th when one women said "you're David Dalton?... I've read your posts...", but probably they were just my local ones promoting bands on campus, and I didn't let her drag me from my vigil at the sound board onto the dance floor, could be risky (with all those sudden instrument changes that the PaperBoys do). But anyway I will have to try and restrict myself to an average of an hour a day, so you should be safe from long outpourings but not short cryptic witticisms and fragmented limericks and the like, as I try to get a life. So I guess I will have to do the first draft of the McMusic boem at home, like most of the FanaTEgrams, perhaps using that untidy sentence I once mentioned, with all the song titles in it, as a first seed. But this is silly, I cannot work to a deadline, or else will probably post something at the last minute. Perhaps candlelight and strong music will help, or there's always the ___. By the way, I think tickets to the Feb. 11 Nettwerk 10th anniversary concert are going fast, at least when I went to ticketshafter 3--4 days after they went on sale I didn't get the seat I wanted (I decided to try the balcony for a change) but one four rows back on the aisle but with my tendonitis side on the inside rather than outside, still central though and suitable for observing crowd, band and any energy flow for review purposes. But since it is before full moon I won't be drinking anything but music and holy water (all water). Anyway I really liked the balcony at the Iris Dement concert at The Cultch, didn't like the side balcony at the Loreena concert, but hope the one at The Vogue will let me hide in the dark, enjoy the music, and catch some good acoustic waves, including lots at the very bottom slider that some techs ignore (but if you boost the 64Hz and lower sometimes, you have to dip the 128 and 256 a little to compensate. What a hum!) So get yours, now! Again I will write a loose review for FTE of all the bands and later maybe tidy it up for appropriate net groups, like the freedom sessions review soon. But for now I'm looking forward to Vogue-ing again. Oh no, that was partly on topic, I must be losing it! But for topical applications, there's this rube. Anybody have any hints on tendonitis? Oh well, yoga starts again on Thursday night, for more bounce and less s-tatic cling (do those mic shields prevent sparks as well?). Procrastinatingly yours, David (now partway through his 10th year of grad school in Vancouver, and hoping not to make it to _that_ 10th anniversary) ------------------- P.S. here is my old weird summer solstice Joycian poe-m of June93, just to show you how much I have improved since then. It is condensed a bit, I don't even get half of the twists any more, but ask me if you would like some explanation, _off the list_. Again, this was written 1.6 years ago, so don't worry. But it was inspired, by lightning, sunspot and dark of moon. There was a rambling middle name game verse but I left it out. This was crossposted to far too many newsgroups and e-mailed to my Ph.D committee! I won't do anything like that again. But it did not end in hospitalization, I slept it off quite nicely, but later missed a Ph.D committee meeting due to the meds and to '93 Lollapallooza-induced bus delays and probably partly to the fact that I had nothing to show them. 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ShePhard wrote: >The overall amount of traffic here hasn't changed that much >since I've been here. It's been in these last few weeks that >we've been seeing a major flood of people unsubbing. Great, now the list is cozy again. Actually the last month or so has been a bad moon/stress month for a lot of people, there is more humour on the list in the spring and summer. A major flood would be 30, I remember only about 5, and they were probably more curious temporary lurkers than long term net addicts like us. We don't want the list to get too big and hard(hearted), right? I may even go cold turkey for a few days, but that's probably just a wishbone. >You made no bones about telling Dalton where >to stick it... Actually, in certain circumstances, that could be fun. D, composing math today Message fte:139 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 15:36:23 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501242239.LAA12034@arwen.otago.ac.nz> Message-ID: fte:139 Subject: Re: Whence this quote? Simon Brady wrote: >Curse my failing memory! Just last week someone (David D?) No, I just followed up later in the thread. >posted the >quote which now appears in my .sig (see below). Someone on rdt has just >asked me where I got it from - so that I might give due credit, could >the culprit please make themselves known? It is from an online chat session, full text of which once was on the official WWW site, I think now it has been abridged, but the full text is still floating around elsewhere, maybe on unofficial WWW sites. >Simon Brady "I find people in general sexually >University of Otago attractive. But then I find trees >Dunedin, New Zealand sexually attractive too." >simon.brady@stonebow.otago.ac.nz - Sarah McLachlan But she didn't say "sexually attractive to me", just that everything is sexually resonant, right? So it sounds as though crowd applause turns her on, which makes sense, although that is carrying group sex toward the ultimate be-in earth healing limit. :-) Or perhaps my frondling anagram is right. She must make a lot of trunk calls while on tour, and for tree fetishists, there's always the rub, plus on that OCD WWW site there is some stuff on fetishes. And there is more that one way to scale a fte-ish. It looks as though that quote will be a haunting one without some further elaboration in another net-chat. David Message fte:140 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:49:42 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:140 Subject: Re:Number of people subscribed? Mike Reilly wrote: >After reading John's last post I looked back to see how many people really >unsubscribed to the list. I could only find two. Two out of how many? If >there is only 20 that would mean that 10% unsubscribed! If there is 1,000 >that's only .2%... You can find out who is on the list by sending an e-mail to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au with body REV fumbling-towards-ecstasy >One last thing.... I don't know how many of you are on the Tori list (RDT), >but Anna Sunshine was flamed by someone that said her posts sounded fake. That sounds like a pseudonym, but it isn't mine, although I wish I had used a pseudonym, and wish that some of my posts were fake. I agree that some are contrived and juvenile, but to find the gems in life you have to wade through much doo-doo, and one person's gems can be another person's doo-doo. >When I read her posts they remind me of Dalton. I don't for this to sound >mean, they both seem to talk (type) similarly. Luckily, I don't talk the same way I type, unless provoked. :-) >I was wondering if Dalton has >ever communicated with Anna Sunshine or did anyone else ever notice this? No, I am not on RDT, and have never read anything by or communicated with Anna Sunshine, just the big anna (celtic earth goddess reference) and the big sun's dark moon shine (actually the only shine of the dark moon is one of the triple: light from the 1sun, bouncing off the 2earth, and bouncing off the dark side of the 3moon, which is towads us at new moon, as in the pink floyd song). If Anna is on Ecto perhaps I will see her, or maybe you can invite her to join FTE, Mike. :-) DD Take of me what you will (but leave the rest to D-compose). doo--doo => dd oo oo uh oh Message fte:141 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:59:10 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: melizand In-Reply-To: <61eBZc1w165w@brewich.com> Message-ID: fte:141 Subject: Re: Greetings, rock person... Hi Melizande; >So now I know two....You're the second professional geoscientist/pagan I >have met, other than myself (the other one's currently in Norway...) Great, and I have seen posts from other rock hounds on alt.pagan before, but haven't saved their addresses. I am not a professional yet, just a Ph.D student, but have worked in Calgary for Chevron for a summer before. I am not a member of any pagan organization, but a solitary by nature, and have drawn more of my beliefs from intuition, inspiration and readings of ancient (and some recent) poetry and myths than from the writings of neopagans. >I found your note in alt.pagan, regarding candle-burning (I disagree--I >only use candles once for spellwork, since they're charged for purpose, I don't believe in charging, and feel it is merely symbolic; i.e., that the charging is a symbolism that you attach to the candle; I find I can attach the same symbolism to ordinary household objects, all objects are charged, are part of the Mother. People, however, can become charged. >so I use short candles unless I need more for some reason..I also >agree--I re-use my altar candles until they're gone, figuring the >God/dess will approve the lack of waste.... ;) I don't do fixed rituals or the like, merely occasional late night inspired sequences, many of which have involved candles. The last such, at the last new moon, involved candles of several colours, with three red ones: huge, midsize and taper, symbolizing grandmother, mother and daughter, plus a black candle, with a small splash of red wax, symbolizing dark matter, or dark moon blood, that could be used to relight all the red ones even if they went out, hence the universe is self-repairing. But anyway, these are more works of dance or art, than fixed rituals or spells --- I believe that all rituals should be adaptive, rigidity leads to the papal cart. >Anyhow, I' a petroleum geologist in Houston, and I've been working with >the big oil cos. for around 15 years now. How 'bout you? What are you >studying, and I assume you're going for a PHD? I have geology courses up to second year, from Memorial in Newfoundland, but since then have concentrated on geophysics. My B.Sc. thesis was on core-mantle coupling, I worked for one summer with Chevron Canada, did an M.Sc. here on acoustic diffraction, and am now doing a Ph.D again on diffraction, using some integral equation techniques from inverse theory to look at some aspects of forward diffraction modelling. So I guess lately I have been more of an applied mathematician, computer programmer and theoretical wave propagation person, but my interests span many other areas of geosciences, including global environmental problems. Probably my Internet skill will come in handy, I am starting to learn SGML (and its subset HTML) and will make up a personal web page soon. >Kindly forgive the typing, my wriist is in a heavy-duty splint for a >sprain and I generally do better than this... Oh, it was fine! I have a mild case of tendonitis now myself, but it is getting better. Thanks for the note, it is good to know that other geoscientists are also inspired by the midnight muse. David Message fte:142 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 1:41:09 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:142 Subject: NETTWEB, plus D(ouble) D(elight) On an impulse I decided to check out nettweb again for the first time in weeks, and found out that is was just updated an hour and a half before I entered the net/web! Anyway, check it out at http://www.wimsey.com/nettwerk/ The rest of this post is some of my usually rambling, not too long but skip it if you don't care for the night humour. DD The title "nettweb" reminds me of those spiders, e.g., Shelob, in the Lord of the Rings, or perhaps Ariadne's silver moon web and her fishnet stockings that made men bull-headed in the Labyrinth of night. (But fishnet stockings are not in Vogue these days.) ... No way, I am not growing a goatee! (cool poem, though, raphael -- soft focus: without your glasses you have to use your ears and nose to home in; I've blindly kissed the right rose before, after some thorns) no rhythm in me tonight, so I won't leech-poemize no tales of mountain passes no fire of token grasses no sticking to m'lass's ___ soon time to drop my contacts and submit to sleep's time ax (trans: I'd love to stay and play but it is 1 a.m. so I must be getting off home, even though I am in night owl mode, just loosening up and have warded off my supervisor's hand until Thursday with a spurt of work this afternoon.) birthday poem? no, not tonight. Maybe I'll start it at home, though, say from 2 to 3 a.m., without the keyboard juggler but with music and appropriate lighting. But that is silly, I should write one for my niece Hazel who turns 8 on Feb. 3, instead, far more important than any singe-r. Ah well, maybe I can do both, except that having a definite goal can leave me dry, I usually fumble into any poems, like entering a spider's web. By keyboard divination, the alphabet music of night finds me, and words fall into place, transforming the world. DD (double delight, or double delete, as you will) (or double scoops of ___ ___) (now I am thinking about acoustic refrigeration again, those cool outdoor concerts on hot summer nights, would you give your heart to the...) S TOP Message fte:143 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:26:58 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:143 Subject: circularity (Was Re: Pigtails, snails, sugar and spice) Doug wrote: >>While I've got your attention: does anyone know why they tacked that >>extra copy of Possession onto the end of Fumbling? Strangest thing >>I've ever seen... Martin replied: >Not especially strange. I've got several CDs with hidden tracks on the end, >some of them reprises of other songs on the album. The extra track at the end is an example of circularity, similar to Joyce's Finnegan's Wake (I've read the first page and the last page but little else so far) with it's river of life (Lif-E). It could also be taken to mean that you can never completely exorcise the demons, must hold a seed in cold storage, like the smallpox virus was, as an example, or vaccine, against full return of new demons. Lest we forget... David Message fte:144 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 16:41:04 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <2F267589@hubsmp8.pcmail.ingr.com> Message-ID: fte:144 Subject: Re: Pigtails, snails, sugar and spice someone else wrote: >> Or Sarah's pigtails when she chooses that hairstyle. Doug Bailey wrote: >I _hate_ how she looks in pigtails! Gimme that wavy, flowing look >anytime... But Chinese New Year is coming up, and guess what year it will be? I didn't know that when I wrote about crackling and the sow goddess and the like, months ago. Besides, pigtails look so pull-able, or dip-able, for those who were school torturers (not me, although I wasn't tortured too much either). Maybe she should audition to be the next Anne of Green Gables, musical version. DD Message fte:145 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 17:03:28 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501252352.PAA28278@netcom16.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:145 Subject: On-Topic Ramblings Thanks, Elana; And remember, after CHinese New Year, we are in the Year of the Pig! David Message fte:146 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 17:45:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:146 Subject: Prozac can trigger mania! Vickie wrote a very good post, including: V> When we live in a society (I'm speaking United States here, since I live V> here and can't speak for any other) where "take a Prozac and mellow V> out" has become a buzzphrase of the mid-90s, If you have the gene for bipolar disorder (manic depression), Prozac will not mellow you out, but may trigger the onset of mania which will later recur, when it otherwise might not have. But people who take a mood stabilizer such as lithium or an anti-convulsant can take antidepressants. However, people who have the manic depressive gene and who are in a straight depression might actually have their depression lifted by a _low level_ (say 0.4 mEq/l) of lithium. So, if you take Prozac and have signs of feeling "too good" you should stop your Prozac dose and add a small amount of lithium carbonate but don't let them turn you into a zombie with levels of 0.8--1.0 mEq/l. (I am on a level of 0.6 mEq/l, but let it drop to 0.4 mEq/l during low energy periods such as this past week.) The low level (0.4--0.6 mEq/l) lets the artist retain creative highs while also retaining his judgement (most of the time) and the low level also combats any depression better than a high level would. And, as I have said before, the antidepressants Anafranil and Luvox are probably better for those with obsessions than Prozac, and there is a good page on this at: http://mtech.csd.uwm.edu/~fairlite/ocd.html V> and where Kurt Cobain's V> death can bring all the horror show ghouls out of the woodwork in V> alt.music.alternative, I believe Kurt Cobain was bipolar (and have a magazine quote somewhere about that). Anyone out there interested in mood swings should have a look at the WWW page http://www.ucar.edu/pendulum/index.html The "writers and artists" section lists many famous dead artists who were bipolar or unipolar. (A subset of these is discussed in the Feb95 Scientific American, but for more detail see Jamison's book Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament.) V> Just to add a little bit of reality to the situation, I want to V> point out that Prozac is a medication used for a medical condition V> called "clinical depression" and won't do a darn thing for anyone V> who doesn't *need* it medically. Indeed, it could trigger rapid cycling manic depression in you if you have the genes. That's all I have to say on this on the list, since it has drifted off topic, but am willing to correspond by direct e-mail with anyone who needs advice, pointers to information, or a supportive ear. David Message fte:147 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 14:40:51 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:147 Subject: Wear and tears (was Re: Two quick questions) someone wrote: >>1) Why didn't Sarah print the lyrics to "Wear Your Love Like Heaven" >>in her lyric booklet in Solace? Mike replied: >I believe that WYLLH wasn't intended for the CD. It was a song that was done >for a benefit CD, then added to the US release of Solace (I don't think it >was on the Canadian release, but I could be wrong.) Right, it wasn't on the Canadian release, and I guess the same booklet was used for both? But I bet the main reason the lyrics weren't in there is that it is a cover, a Donovan song, not her lyrics, not her copyright; many artists don't put cover lyrics in their booklets. [or book licyrs in their coverlets?] >I'm sorry, but I have to >stop the CD when it comes on, I can't stand it. It's the only Sarah song >that I _don't_ like. I heard one story that she didn't want to put it on but the distributing label made her put it on to "lighten up" the CD. But it was kept to the end, right, like the best patches? Speaking of wearing love, for those of you who see auras, what colour is Sarah's aura? I bet Neapolitan. But I can't see auras, luckily, just that she is in tune eh. Love can be wearing, right? Wear and tear(s). This is heavin' to no one else, wear (be your love life) S-TOP (I have to go set up for Colleen s-oo-n) [If I come back at 1ish a.m., I'll doo the birthday poem, if not it will be a late one on Sunday, I doubt I will come in after The Stoaters Sat night and am usually wiped Sat early after doing sound Friday. So anyway, hope (three to the power of three) is a good vinatge.] DRD 2:30 p.m. Friday Message fte:148 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 17:46:50 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:148 Subject: 'ware your love life gina wrote: someone else wrote: >> > 1) Why didn't Sarah print the lyrics to "Wear Your Love Like Heaven" >> > in her lyric booklet in Solace? >If I am not mistaken on this list a few months ago we were told that >Sarah was a bit unsure of some of the lyrics. Perhaps she just wanted to substitute some of her own, better ones. David Dalton Message fte:149 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 19:45:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:149 Subject: H.B. (lunar birthday), o-dd numb-ers, tan-it-a Well, I didn't post anything yesterday (28) so I'll just consider tonight (29/30) her lunar birthday since it is the right phase, if my earlier post about that is correct. But anyway, I have been terribly dry (of words, not beer) lately, which is surprising since my mood is fine, and many of my weird posts were done in a normal mood (not the longest one, though). No hint of any sm-art poetry, about birthday sm-ooch-eS, just some garbage. My muse has left me, this week, for which many of you are no doubt grateful. So I put a big X (kisses are little x-es?) through the non-attempt to write a 27 line poem with seven syllable lines each containing a song title, and despaired. Then, since my pen was not flowing, I went in search of a HB pencil. But on first grasp I came up with a green one labelled "Beaverbrook Hotel"; don't know where I got that, must have picked it up. Then I found a "china ventura HB pencil", blunted tip, yellow, with a missing rubber, sandwitch of graphite and wood. HB Homer's binder Helen's bounty Heaven's blessings Horny Bridgett etc. Happy birthday (see, that is no good, maybe a seed for later, though) (haw pea bird eye two yew) Recently I also noted that Sarah's lyrics tend to have more even numbers of syllables than odd, and wondered about whether odd numbers are better than even. Maybe the odd numbers are more uplifting, you can end with an upturn. That is related to when I was sick (with a cold and more) on Jan. 6, an even number of coughs was bad, and odd number was good (disguised laugh). Today I also dug through some old tapes and found an old "temporary copy" of Touch, I made it when I gave my copy of Touch to my sister, but long since got the CD at a Nettwerk Garage Sale at the old location. But anyway, on the other side is a "temporary copy" of Tanita Tikaram's "Ancient Heart", upon listening to it again I think I will have to get the CD, I like it much better than her second one, on which she sounds rather flattened. Anyway, "Ancient Heart" has some great lyrics, she has (had?) the touch, plus good string arrangements and more, and I recommend it over her second one (and what about the third one?), the sarafam should like it. OK, I'm off to the W.I.S.E. Sunday jam, after which I may try an early Groundhog Day new moon spring renewal artwork No dirty minds now, this will probably just involve transplanting some of my house plants, arranging them all in a pattern with symbolic objects and maybe candles, watering them, playing some music, and through the earth harmonics invoking positive change in this year of the pi g. Or perhaps I will wait until after the g w g, tomorrow night to ring the earth belle. (Home? Home? No, please leave a message after the bee pee.) Oh well, with no muse fire (at least early, it's 7:25 p.m.) perhaps I will do some theSis work. No, off to play pool. David Dalton P.S. I am going cold turkey on SM-usic for a few days, I played all my stuff yesterday while trying to write, and probably I will appreciate it more after a short break. (those short breaks can stretch sometimes, like the crack in the earth that turns into a new ocean, but probably this will last until next weekend, and of course I will continue to plague the list now that others are starting to write some interesting stuff occasionally) DRD P.P.S. Or was it Pippy Longstocking? x95.dd Message fte:150 - Read Delivery-date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:08:19 UTC-0800 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Sun Jan 29 19:47:51 1995" Send-date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 19:45:00 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:150 Subject: H.B. (lunar birthday), o-dd numb-ers, tan-it-a >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 3999 Well, I didn't post anything yesterday (28) so I'll just consider tonight (29/30) her lunar birthday since it is the right phase, if my earlier post about that is correct. But anyway, I have been terribly dry (of words, not beer) lately, which is surprising since my mood is fine, and many of my weird posts were done in a normal mood (not the longest one, though). No hint of any sm-art poetry, about birthday sm-ooch-eS, just some garbage. My muse has left me, this week, for which many of you are no doubt grateful. So I put a big X (kisses are little x-es?) through the non-attempt to write a 27 line poem with seven syllable lines each containing a song title, and despaired. Then, since my pen was not flowing, I went in search of a HB pencil. But on first grasp I came up with a green one labelled "Beaverbrook Hotel"; don't know where I got that, must have picked it up. Then I found a "china ventura HB pencil", blunted tip, yellow, with a missing rubber, sandwitch of graphite and wood. HB Homer's binder Helen's bounty Heaven's blessings Horny Bridgett etc. Happy birthday (see, that is no good, maybe a seed for later, though) (haw pea bird eye two yew) Recently I also noted that Sarah's lyrics tend to have more even numbers of syllables than odd, and wondered about whether odd numbers are better than even. Maybe the odd numbers are more uplifting, you can end with an upturn. That is related to when I was sick (with a cold and more) on Jan. 6, an even number of coughs was bad, and odd number was good (disguised laugh). Today I also dug through some old tapes and found an old "temporary copy" of Touch, I made it when I gave my copy of Touch to my sister, but long since got the CD at a Nettwerk Garage Sale at the old location. But anyway, on the other side is a "temporary copy" of Tanita Tikaram's "Ancient Heart", upon listening to it again I think I will have to get the CD, I like it much better than her second one, on which she sounds rather flattened. Anyway, "Ancient Heart" has some great lyrics, she has (had?) the touch, plus good string arrangements and more, and I recommend it over her second one (and what about the third one?), the sarafam should like it. OK, I'm off to the W.I.S.E. Sunday jam, after which I may try an early Groundhog Day new moon spring renewal artwork No dirty minds now, this will probably just involve transplanting some of my house plants, arranging them all in a pattern with symbolic objects and maybe candles, watering them, playing some music, and through the earth harmonics invoking positive change in this year of the pi g. Or perhaps I will wait until after the g w g, tomorrow night to ring the earth belle. (Home? Home? No, please leave a message after the bee pee.) Oh well, with no muse fire (at least early, it's 7:25 p.m.) perhaps I will do some theSis work. No, off to play pool. David Dalton P.S. I am going cold turkey on SM-usic for a few days, I played all my stuff yesterday while trying to write, and probably I will appreciate it more after a short break. (those short breaks can stretch sometimes, like the crack in the earth that turns into a new ocean, but probably this will last until next weekend, and of course I will continue to plague the list now that others are starting to write some interesting stuff occasionally) DRD P.P.S. Or was it Pippy Longstocking? x95.dd Message fte:151 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 19:24:01 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: fte:150 Message-ID: fte:151 Subject: Mary no longer On Hold sum-mary: muse is not gone, just deeper on up notes and down notes thoughts on ethnicity and second sight (supertramp: dreamer) some of my plant sculpture details (SeSSionS to free Mary) more earth sensitive ramblings does Sarah work for CSIS? I hate replying to my own posts but here's a correction or update, with some S-music content: dd> My muse has left me, this week, dd> for which many of you are no doubt grateful. Actually late last night I felt a bit better, I must have a bit of bio-clock shift (like jet lag) or something. Plus some S-music and Sculpture helped (see below). dd> Recently I also noted that Sarah's lyrics tend to have more even dd> numbers of syllables than odd, and wondered about whether odd numbers dd> are better than even. Maybe the odd numbers are more uplifting, you dd> can end with an upturn. At the W.I.S.E. I talked to Alan MacLeod about something unrelated (how Tom of the PaperBoys doesn't sing trad Scottish songs _properly_) and he said you shouldn't end a song (or I guess a line) on a floating note but rather with a firm foundation note or something, so the song will continue even after it is over (I added that last bit just now). Also a Lachlan McLachlan was mentioned in the book on Highland second sight that I just loaned McLeod, although the McLachlans and McKenzies and others may have been Irish originally and then moved to Scotland. But I don't know anything about Sarah's genealogy, except what I can hear in the night. Also I was surprised to hear that she is #3, given my bus remark after New Year (10: Davie and Victoria). (aside, math: bus = buss - s) dd> OK, I'm off to the W.I.S.E. Sunday jam, after which I may dd> try an early Groundhog Day new moon spring renewal artwork After I left the WISE I said to friends: "tomorrow will be warm and sunny" so was disappointed when it was miserable this morning. But I guess plants need rain, and I was pleasantly surprised with the sudden spring in the afternoon. dd> involve transplanting dd> some of my house plants, arranging them all in a pattern with dd> symbolic objects and maybe candles, watering them, playing some dd> music, and through the earth harmonics invoking positive change dd> in this year of the pi g. I did this, around 1--2 a.m. I guess, although it may have been later. I transplanted my spider plants, added new soil to my jade and palm plants, transplanted what must be a tiger lily or something that shot up unexpectedly a week or so ago from a hidden bulb, etc, formed them into the shape of a letter, watered them, placed candles in the gaps and at the curves, placed some objects that I attach memory significance to (hence they are "charged" for me) in the small gaps, lit the candles, then... (see below) dd> P.S. I am going cold turkey on SM-usic for a few days, I dd> played all my stuff yesterday while trying to write, and dd> probably I will appreciate it more after a short break. Actually I lied, after I formed my plant/etc sculpture I couldn't think of any better music so I stuck the Freedom Sessions on, hitting random play with my right thumbnail. Oddly enough, the tracks I am least affected by came on first, then it built up almost in exact order of my song preference, culminating with the sequence of Ice Cream, Mary, Ol '55, and the hidden Hold On track. But the peak resonance occurred not during Ice Cream or Ol' 55 but actually during Mary, then was when I linked with the whole earth and sent out a message of renewal and love. Ol' 55 and Hold On then were on as I wound down, snuffing the candles with finger and thumb moistened with plant water or something, and toddled off to bed after hearing "hold on cause this is gonna hurt like..." and I filled in LOVE with arms stretched out, to change any hell to love. Then around 3 or 4 (I think) there were some semi-dreams/pleasant thoughts/fire, but I managed to get to sleep, and woke up mildly low energy again. In any case, I think I will take it easy after G W G tonight, but visit Nitobe Garden tomorrow or Wed or Thurs. So anyway, "Mary" used me last night, to find her true reflection, to dance with her shadow, we are no longer On Hold with the goddess in Ol' 95. I wonder what the year of the sow will hold, and hope "Mary" will continue to find a use for this accessory. (I never use mary, not since that last joint in May92, but amuse her, eh.) Actually last night was still not as powerful as the renewal thing I mentioned in early September, when I was on a mild high, so I hope for something even better in mid-late May, possibly late February too but in that one I would have to be more careful, in May I plan to be on holiday, safe, and able to cut loose a little bit, away from the Internet. I guess last night was like an early Bridgett's (Candlemas/Imbolc/Groundhog/C-new-year) seed of change, but expect something even stronger in May (a late May Day/ Victoria Day/Beltane). In late February if anything I expect another mild one like late January with a bad tail unless I take measures (which I will this time). OK, now I will go cold turkey for a while, maybe, and stick to red red wine for my highs instead of musical blisS. Seriously, the three voices that affect me the most these days are probably my sister Anne's, my yoga teacher Gioia's, and I guess Sarah's, they could probably hit me like those voice users in Dune if they wanted to. But luckily they all seem to have words of positive change, and their voices all jive with the tuning of the big bass ball. So I guess Sarah could probably sell some relaxation tapes, and also figure out how to direct obsessed fans to go off to the ends of the earth to do volunteer work in the third world, instead of flowering her with showers and the like, no more Rapunzel syndrome for this Sweeping Beauty! Hmmm, maybe she works for CSIS. No, but she is a sea sis. OK, off to hear the grrrls grrr-owl. I'll report back if there are any up-and-comers worthy of ecto/fte notice. (Colleen Eccleston will be there, I have talked about her here before.) David Dalton whose thesis is DeaD, but the S is not, see! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:152 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:01:55 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501310201.AA281117680@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: fte:152 Subject: use the rhythm for a chic hag O (I said earlier that all a cool hand luke needs is rhythm, not force, and suspect that Newton wasn't a musician.) sum-mary: use the rhythm, not force [trees for eSt (what is est? oh, S-ed!)] up tight, ness things fans scream out from the front row? Arnold wrote: >Who's showing up at the Chicago show (I'm thinking probably a lot of you) ... >have a small group from my hall showing up with me and curious if anyone wants >to get together beforehand/afterhand/force CATHY TO GIVE FTEs BACKSTAGE PASSES Perhaps you meant "beforehand/afterhand/seduce..." i.e., be really nice to Cathy and promise to be her tools on the net occasionally and you'll be laughing, unless of course there is a risk of there being another obsessed fan in Chicago who is on FTE. But anyway, forthe chic hag O (or chic "ha, go") don't use force. Me, I try to stay well away from Sarah, wouldn't want to burn up (actually I would probably freeze due to my uptightness). That last word make me laugh, I had to think about the "Aunty Mary had a canary" tune, so I guess not all up tightness is bad, some can lead to redness. And really I'm just kidding, she is perfectly normal, no Carrie Anne like in the movie, but I will still hide in the balcony at the 10th anniversary concert, well distanced from the front row crowd singing out "we love you, Sarah" or probably worse things. What was the worst thing you ever heard a fan sing out at a concert? The best? The funniest? Did you ever sing out (or say in an autograph session) something that you want to take back and change (but would like to share with us, like a confeSSion). Damn, this post is d-evolving again so I had better go get some sustenance. To suss ten ants? DRD 8 p.m. PST Monday Jan. 30th a v i d Message fte:153 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:35:49 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199501310201.AA281117680@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: fte:153 Subject: Re: use the rhythm... Here's a short, serious correction to the last post I wrote: >Me, I try to stay well away >from Sarah, wouldn't want to burn up (actually I would probably >freeze due to my uptightness). That is silly, I have been in the same room as her several times over the years; friends have said to me "pssst, pssst, hey that's Sarah McLachlan over there" or something to that effect, and I have always avoided staring or the like. Even if I thought I recognized her in disguise (I sort of felt I did, at New Year's) I wouldn't bother her, or become too uptight or emotional or anything, that's silly. I have been a supporter from the early days, and heard her at some small shows back in those Touch-D days, and would always give her the distance she wants, plus the common non-pedestal-ization sense of safe home that any musician wants. Besides, I don't bug musicians, they just bug me for gigs these days, although occasionally I will be collared by a new voice and have to bug her/him to come for a gig (as I did for Shannon Moore of Deep Julia, speaking of whom I have to call Delanne about the March 10 headliner spot). But Sarah is a fair bit out of the range of the grad centre, although she could probably headline the Arts Undergrad Society last day of classes Arts Country Fair at the UBC football stadium, outdoors to 10,000 people, some day (but she's in the US this year on March 31, I think). The second biggest show on campus is the AMS BBQ the first Friday of classes but they haven't had big headliners lately (they used to, I heard k d lang, Doug and the Slugs, and David Lindley there in I think 85/86/87) so probably up and comers such as Rose Chronicles would have a better shot. DavidD P.S. For those few in town, Feb at the grad centre is getting folky, with Irish/Scottish/Atlanticprov sessions on Feb 10, 24, nothing on the 17 (midterm break), Fear of Drinking on Feb 3, Martingale hosting Feb 10, Aran (Alan MacLeod and friends, acoustic) hosting Feb 24, Tammy Fassaert March 3. Watch my posts in van.general,bc.general,ubc.general,ubc.events for details; ubc.events has the least noise, or e-mail gss2@unixg.ubc.ca to be put on their mailing list, moderated, 1--2 posts per week of info, no ramblings allowed. :-) There may be more rocking shows again on Mar 10, 17, 31, with the ballroom back, but probably still with a cletic tinge, especially March 17. Message fte:154 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 2:11:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:154 Subject: music for love; wish list for next album, f.t.8. 1. music for passions of various kinds -------------------------------------------- Do any of you find that listening to music, for example some of Sarah's, improves your abilities in any game or sport, or other mutually pleasurable activity (e.g., sex)? Or is her music purely a dry, cerebral pleasure, suitable only for solitary listening and no dancing? :-) Like, I think Sarah has said in an interview that some Peter Gabriel album or something is "great music to love to" or something like that, so do you think that any of her music is appropriate for shared passion, directed not to your image of Sarah but to a real lover. I can't answer that, I firts got into S-music after my last "relationship", but spring looms, perhaps I will give myself away to passion. I still fear (that can be read at least two ways). But s-hit, whenever I'm talking to dangerous women in a bar I get all serious, so the truly interesting wyrd women give up on me too quickly. Cold hands, warm heart? However, I wouldn't want to hit them with the s-hit I've posted here, or most would give me the cold shoulder. Who cares, there are still some warm shoulders left, and I'd rather get the cold ones right away than after fumbling (translation: I will still come out and tell prospective S.O.s that I am a mystic bipolar badpoet-scientist early on, that will weed out incompatibles early; sure it is tempting to lie but I was never one for a short stand [I am tempted to make a pun on that last word]). nigh is my companion, solitude my goad, still I fear falling off the edge of this road yet the time has come to share the heavy loaf Naw, I'm not really poetic tonight, the above is again a seed, and it would take a lot for me to fall past the second stage again. Also, do you ever use the music to get worked up about the message, not about Sarah but about her words, as I did during my earth renewal ritual with "Mary"? 2. themes, plus musical wish list for next album ---------------------------------------------------- On the next recording, what sort of themes or messages would you like to see Sarah explore, maybe some that she hasn't obviously touched on the earlier recordings? If you could have some say on the direction of the next recording, what would you say? This is purely a thought experiment, obviously she has enough inspiration in dreams, experiences, and red wine to fill a few more rechordings, but it would provide a very small sample of what hard core fans think they want. 3. ramble about pool and FTE and etc ----------------------------------------- Tonight I was at my local K-pub, and the bartender had Z-95 FM on, and I asked him why he didn't put a stack of CDs on. He said that they were all in a mess, but then right at the end of the night stuck FTE on. (Perhaps he was experimenting to see if my pool game was better with FTE on rather than Z-95.) Well, actually my pool game was spectacular, much better than it has been since Jan. 17, worse during Z-95 commercials, better at a certain metronome (maybe) of music, not noticeably better during FTE since I was by then a little drunk and playing against a beginner. But at one point, before FTE, during the evening, I visualized a very hard shot; three banks on the cue ball, just missing balls on either side, hitting a ball into a corner pocket from its position about 7 inches away from the pocket and not quite centred, and said silently "to sarah", then shot quickly almost without aiming, and got it. I was quite surprised, usually I don't play that well unless I am a little high, and don't plan to make a habit of this. Probably it was just a fluke, plus I made several almost as good shots throughout the night without the invocation. Funny, though, I usually play better to good music, also better in singles than doubles, but that can vary depending on the partner and opponent, my game is often worse against women even when I don't want it to be, and better when playing doubles with a woman partner than a man, from W.I.S.E. observations. (This does not depend on the strength of the partner much.) So anyway, my earth renewal ritual or something seems to have tuned my pool game, at least temporarily, back to the level of July and Jan. 17. Probably it will suck again at the W.I.S.E. on Sunday and at the next tournament at the grad centre on Feb. 21. Plus really the good game was probably a subconscious way to keep me from getting any thesis work done again, I planned to go for an hour and stayed for five. Next time maybe I'll try "Touch" to see what that does for my touch shots. Despite having had five pints, I have nothing truly weird for you tonight. But of course, next week I would not chance that, and for the late Feb new moon probably not either. But for now, the banks of the river are good to me. Now I am supposed to do some coding, but feel like a co-ding (D-ing D-ing). Help, danger, fumes! Oh, last night at Grrrls with Guitars, Colleen Eccleston did two new songs and they cooked me more than the old ones, guess I am a sucker for new songs, or perhaps she put something extra into the performance of the new ones. Anyway, watch for an album from her this year. "and the poets think of everything to say" not! H[E{Art(h a p p y DaveD 2 a.m. PST Jan. 31, no I guess Feb. 1 now. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:155 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 15:58:42 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:155 Subject: lyric composition, cold turkey, flares and VD Well, I'm still managing to abstain from playing SM music, since the new moon, and probably until I go through a cycle of all the deserving artists I haven't touched in a while (such as Tanita Tikaram, Mary Margaret O'Hara, Jane Siberry, Michelle Shocked, Christy Moore, Van Morrison, Leonard Cohen, kd lang, Jennifer Warnes, Sinead, etc, etc). Then I will probably appreciate S even more, if that is possible. Happy Groundhog Day (although mine was Sun/Mon night). It was cloudy here in Vancouver so we will have an early spring as usual. But even if the groundhog saw her shadow, it is S-HAD-OW, with the past tense, so no more ows for S, in the year of the sow. ??? S-owl. Today I walked in, and find that the rhythm of that, or dancing, or good music, or probably love is conducive to making up bad lyrics on the fly. For instance: "my heart is a torch, aloft upon a stick; bare, wide, and open, for you to take a lick" (actually it was better but I forget it) (note the ice cream reference, for S content) Another one was even worse, something like: (actually it's gone, but it was about kissing ever part of a lover and then having to start over because by the time you are finished the rest of the lover has changed, sort of like exploring the earth) "i want to kiss every part of you, and then to start all over again, because the rest of you has changed" But that's not it, it was much better, part of a larger whole, and with proper metre. (Sm-hooch? But s-hooters can lead to hangovers.) This week, there were some Mc class flares, and thus I am feeling the fire, but am not in danger of going high since it is after new moon, but maybe will have to watch out for danger leading up to the VD full moon (which is around moonset after midnight on Vnight). But tonight is Candlemas, so I will go listen to music by the light of the candles in beer bottles at the WISE after yoga. " JOINT USAF/NOAA REPORT OF SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY SDF NUMBER 032 ISSUED AT 2200Z ON 01 FEB 1995 IA. ANALYSIS OF SOLAR ACTIVE REGIONS AND ACTIVITY FROM 31/2100Z TO 01/2100Z: SOLAR ACTIVITY BECAME MODERATE. REGION 7832 (S21W82) PRODUCED M1 FLARES AT 01/0906Z AND 01/0932Z. MINOR RADIO BURSTS ACCOMPANIED THESE EVENTS. A TYPE II WAS OBSERVED BETWEEN 01/0844-0847Z (BEFORE THE BEGIN TIME OF THE FIRST M- CLASS FLARE). THERE WAS A POSSIBLE DELTA IN REGION 7832 ON 31 JAN. " Delta? Anais Nin? Elena? So her middle name is Elena, not Anne or Bridgett or Victoria! Aha! (Yeah, right!) Help, danger, fumes (of chocolate)! (Actually I did get cookie supplies yesterday, have a potluck to go to on Sunday, I think, pre-wise, post-fool.) David Dalton -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:156 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 18:34:39 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:156 Subject: Siren's Whisper Here's a slightly edited note from Tonya Kearley (on rec.music.celtic), about the promising unsigned Newfoundland duo of Kathy Phippard and Esther Squires, which I am cross-posting her partly because of the comparison to SM and partly because of the chuckle I got at the spelling of M. But in any case, watch for this recording, and others by such women as Pamela Morgan, Liz Pickard, Kim Stockwood and other "strong women of the sea singing words of power in the night". T> -kathy phippard and esther squires, siren's whisper. T> The girl'eens are contemporary/indigo girls/crash vegas/sarah T> macglacghlan types with all original material and heavy traditional T> tones within! very good stuff! Many well known Newfoundland musicians T> are featured on it and it is highly rated. I recommend it. T> Contact me for more info any time? by the way... have you ever been to T> God's country.. Newfoundland , that is? all the best, Tonya Kearley T> tkearley@plato.ucs.mun.ca This probably could be phone ordered from Fred's Records (709)753 9191, fax (709)739 4849. I don't have a copy yet but will review it when I get one, so e-mail Tonya if you want more details. They did impress me live, as far back as early August 1991, though, and I bet they have improved since then. David Message fte:157 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:47:30 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HML4H3KI828XYT0E@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> Message-ID: fte:157 Subject: ChAT SeSSion (was Re: Sarah) Michelle scribed: M> Has anyone else read the "Chat Session" on the Netscape home page M> dedicated to Sarah? For those of you who know what I'm talking about, M> do you think she was trying to "be" a certain way or act and say things M> a certain way? It seemed to me that she was awfully flippant about M> things especially her music. She seemed to be very, I don't know, M> crass. I understand that she wanted to be portrayed as human and not M> some musical goddess but jeez. I guess my question is, was that really M> her speaking or someone she wanted us to see? I don't remember it being that awful, it wasn't a cat session, rather an attempt to deal with a crowd, with lots of quick one-liners, on a probably unfamiliar medium. And it was Sarah's day persona, no doubt, not her night persona :-) . She was probably a little nervous and wanted to act like one of the gang, who she may have thought was a bunch of teenage computer nerds and not sophisticated fans. But hang on, I'll look at the original chat session again, from http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~jds5s/music/sarah/chat.html She says things such as (taken out of context and order by me): S> My first time on one of these things. S> I'm kinna freaked talking to a computer S> I'm hung over and hugry (I like that word - D) S> I find people in general sexually attractive. S> But then I find trees sexually attractive too. S> Ask me something juicy! S> First time. I'm virgin. S> Just trying to dispell the myth. S> Usually I do it (hackysack) in airports and parking lots S> But it is the only exercise I get. S> Do you have to get deep. I'm hung over. S> Boys would scream and fall to the ground and writhe S> guitars, still my weakness. S> Hey, no problem...just a bit hung S> Painting, drawing, playing pool, hanging at the beach S> Peace. So I think she has a great sense of humour and was rather quick on her responses give that she was a chat virgin. (I am still a chat virgin, have never participated in IRC or multitalk or the like, but you guys are welcome to finger me and then try talk if you like; i.e., finger dalton@gafs.geop.ubc.ca to see which MACHINE if any I am on, and the try talk dalton@MACHINE.geop.ubc.ca) Plus I bet she is different one on one than in group sessions. But anyway, we should praise her beginner's chat fumblings and that way she may decide to try again, if we give her flak then she might decide to say F.U. and let a virtual personality construct handle her chat sessions (like emacs -f doctor). One thing that would help would be for her to use little emoticons to convey the displeasure or whatever; i.e., little smiley-faces, belches (how do you do a belch in ASCII?) and farts and the like, so that sheltered computer types won't be put off. I am glad she didn't play the remote musical goDDess princesS, but let a little of the real human shine through, and deservedly got pissed off at some fans who need to get a life. Granted, the conversation was at a shallow depth, but what do you expect on the first d-ate! Speaking of which, the lunar phase on the date of the chat session was one week before full moon (which is when I try to avoid booze). So maybe with no red wine, a better breakfast, and perhaps even a night chat session, with pre-screened participants or something, it would work better (actually I think it would work better if the chat session and red wine happened at the same time, although there would be more chance of foot in mouth slips (fte-ish and chips, silicon, again). I would rather see the session with one person at a time getting 2.5 minutes rather than four getting 10, and then a side chat line, which Sarah would not be responding on, designed for interaction between people waiting and those bumped off. But probably that would provide less opportunity for her to ignore the assholes, so maybe 3 is a good number. Or perhaps she should only respond to the questions that turn her on, and ignore the rest, like a mini-BBS. Time to go do sound for Fear of Drinking and Time Waits & The Eventually Brothers. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:158 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 16:56:14 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:158 Subject: goodbye cool world I've been a touch low since early Saturday evening and am way way behind on my "work" so am going to try and find solace in semi-hermit mode for the next week or so before resuming my free time dumb sessions on fumbling towards ecstasy. That is, I am taking a holiday from my mailing lists fte and pendulum and non-local newsgroups for at least a week or until I feel well above water and/or creative again. (Or if I go into real hermit mode, at least my mailbox limit of 300 won't be exceeded. This _morning_ I actually let my machine take the calls when I was home! Horrors!) Thus I might resubscribe next Monday after the 10th anniversary concert to post a review, or I may wait until after V-night full moon, or I may wait until the week before new moon in late February (when there is a chance I will be creative, although not as much as Victoria Day). Also I am running a good celtic session on Friday night so perhaps that will give me freedom from the mild blahs. But really, I know what to do, to break free of this doo. So have fun with your ticket purchase stories, Uwe trivia, sexual preference questions, and the like, in my absence. I will reply to personal e-mail, but not as fast as usual, and will probably still skim ecto-digest, since it is just one post a day and it is not worth the effort to unsubscribe and resubscribe, but won't post anything. I have some good abstracts on chocolate addiction if those of you with VD chocolate addiction want them. I didn't make my cookies for the potluck Saturday, she needed main courses, but will make them soon. I was invited to a Belgian chocolate fondue party (bring something to dip) Saturday but of course it is the Nettwerk 10th anniversary concert; also Ferron but instead of a matinee she is doing two squished evening shows so unless I skip the first bit of the Nettwerk concert I won't hear her. I probably won't since the bank balance bellows "budget, babe". Just as well this is my dry semi-hermit week. For those who are concerned about me, no I am not really depressed, just -2 on my scale of -10 to +10, with -1 to +1 normal, and worst in the morning, and a bit introverted, but the weather is changing. Oh, for other moody people out there, I forgot to mention last time that certain cold/anti-allergy meds, including Seldane, can cause mania; also some anti-inflammatories, such as cortisone/prednisone, can cause mania; I haven't used these since years before my trigger, but you should all be careful. OK, so long and thanks for all the fte-ish, and sea you next week or s.o. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:159 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 6:40:02 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9409100448.AA11981@rasputin.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: fte:159 Subject: Re: Sarah comments in RS Kevin Hawkins wrote: >Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV} wrote: >|> >|> Don't know how many of you have read the "Raves" section of >|> the latest issue of Rolling Stone, but I thought a couple of >|> the comments Sarah made were rather funny/interesting. She >|> said that Peter Gabriel's album _Passion_ is "Great music to >|> make love to". And of course there's a "great love to make music to". But it can be a stRolling one. >|> I also chuckled when I read her view on Ridley Scott's movie >|> _Blade Runner_. I quothe "Oh, and I just had a total chubby for >|> Harrison Ford". Use the force Luke! Whats a chubby? Is that like a sea hubby? Or a reverse he-butch. Maybe it's the be laid, runner or the ha' rise on or the ride ley's cot or all the androgents... >Wow, superior movie...=) I'm glad we respond similarly to the same stimuli, >although I don't really get a big "chubby" for Harrison Ford. =) I will admit >though, he is a sexy guy, at least in my opinion. How do you get an O from a pinion? clew: Sounds, like S & M. David, still at the whim of ggg (hey in this font upside down???). No, maybe it's gag me with a spoon (name less). -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 [[still in creative/linking mode]] Message fte:160 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 7:14:58 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:160 Subject: Re: interp: wait Deborah Sah writes: >I thinkthe song seesm to be about not being able t have children, though I >have never had this feeling before... or even had children, i was reading >the lyrics, and the thought just struck me.. so here goes. It could also be about the burning love of the goddess. (I must have a three-track mind. <:-)]} or from the subject, coitus interruptus, bi-gus -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 [[still in creative/linking mode]] Message fte:161 - Read Delivery-date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 15:05:50 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Sun Sep 11 08:29:27 1994" Send-date: Sun, 11 Sep 1994 7:47:00 UTC-0700 From: "David R. Dalton" To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:161 Subject: Re:nothing in particular >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 1490 J&orL wrote: >About Sarah's apperance on Leno: INCREDIBLE. She looked >>into the camera a LOT more than she did on Conan. To me, it resulted >>in a more direct and captivating performance. Perhaps it was just that >>the camera was positioned directly in front of her instead of off to the >>side of her ... did anyone else get this sense? She seemed to be >>a lot looser, too. I could see her drumming her hands on her hips and >>just moving a lot more. Much more openness from Sarah. :) "The poets of drumming... heartbeats suspended.... " ($\nu$ weighs, and the thumb tongue) >Yes - as this was the first time I'd ever seen Sarah in anything resembling >a live performance, I was struck by just how "cute" she actually is. And >the way those brown eyes of hers looked in the camera - it was almost as if >the cameraman was a little captivated, also. Perhaps it is her power time of the month or year. I also thought she glowed more at the Clayoquot Sound benefit than at the SunFlowEr Sunday concert but that was probably partly the lighting, the crowd, and the difference in my [in]sensitivit[out]. > >One thing I've noticed here on the list - there seems to be little or no >discussion of her "Touch" CD, which was her first. That is actually my >favorite - with the drum backbeats that make the music stand out more than >usual. There is some discussion in the archives. I like Touch too but sometimes it is nice to make the music fit in (but still stand out). That is, the recent albums are built around the frame of the best instrument, her voice, and the other instruments are produced to drive the message of the voice, so maybe with a tapered oscillatory EQ that lets the voice stand twide. -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 [[still in creative/linking mode]] Message fte:162 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 18:05:56 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:162 Subject: Re: Possession lawsuit It could be a troll (flamebait, perhaps forged). But if not, grow up/get help. Unrequited love is a waste of time. Get some counselling, take a month off, and write a 4-line apology to Sarah, and try the flowers on women who glow at you and who like Sarah too. This is a group for fans, not pans. D ea D (knot) Message fte:163 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:45:46 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9409142021.AA20213@delta1> Message-ID: fte:163 Subject: Re: Remark for David Dalton Chris Guerra wrote: >David Dalton wrote: >>"...try the flowers on women who glow at you..." Maybe I shouldn't have used that, because some women glow all the time or in concert. It should be easy to tell when someone is glowing _fire_ at you and not just at everyone, especially when you meet them, but when someone is hurt/sick they may misinterprete the natural glow. Voices of sea, fire and honey often attract lost bees. [what did Orpheus do to ward off the sirens? Or what did the sirens do to ward off Orpheus, I guess, or was it Odysseus. Let's develop a cure for Obsession or a way to spot it at a distance. You guys work on it.] > >I _like_ that word - glow! Thanks, I like what it describes too. Can be scary, though, moon power. >You certainly have a way with words. ..... Geophysics? Considering your >musings with words, I'm surprised you aren't an English student or something >along those lines. Poetry is a nice way of tying all of life together. It's >good to use both sides of the old brain whenever possible! The best poets are well-rounded, in many areas and were not English disectors. I guess my life has been a poem, and the Poetesses (muses) have subtly nudged me here and there (and subtle touches can produce fire, you know). There is also poetry in geophysics, it bridges many disciplines, but I am starting to get frustrated after the lack of response to my creative/intuitive efforts of two weeks ago and with the lack of progress on my thesis and perhaps will have to seek a different path in writing or music or something if things don't look up soon. Of course, I wouldn't let any success swell my head or spoil my sense of intuitive play and life-long learning. My sister Mary has published two poetry books, "The Time of Icicles" and "Allowing the Light" available from Breakwater Books/Publishers in St. John's NFLD or Toronto. I write only when inspired and either free form or to good music backbeat, but will surely write some whenever I end up unemployed or (hope not) in the hospital. Thanks again, Chris; David Message fte:164 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 18:06:05 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199409142301.TAA19965@r-node.io.org> Message-ID: fte:164 Subject: Re:Sarah on WFNX Jules wrote: >Hmm I wonder....if Sarah owuld lose her fan base if she did change her name >to Lusty DeVille or would she just get a whole bunch of new ones? > >Boy would that change the demographics at her cocnerts.. But a "bad woman" image might scare away some of those "white knights" who like courting "virgin princesses", such as the lawsuit guy. But of course she shouldn't have to change her persona, just her PR image. Do the "bad girls" of rock still have problems with lovesick fans? I bet they do, so there goes that theory (along with many more... flushhhh). DD Message fte:165 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 15:21:42 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9408241856.AA21989@texas.nynexst.com> Message-ID: fte:165 Subject: lukewarm joke (was Re:Mpls. Show) Dave wrote: > >(No personal indictment intended, Kevin - I just find it really funny & >pleasing that the joke that I started (with Meredith et.al.) to be used >at a Chicago show last April/May has come this far!). I think it is kind of stale/lukewarm, and it is time for a new one. Also we should come up with new ones for the other band members as well, and then pre-arrange by Internet to surprise them with a new "core-us" each time. DavidD -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:166 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 21:38:29 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:166 Subject: tea's shared, gift stockings, jack o'lanterns Re the t-shirt debate: I vote for a fte headband, with "headbanging towards ecstsasy" and with the list join info (i.e., the listserv address, so the list itself doesn't get too many subscribe requests). Maybe the voters for a back design wanted people in the crowd to read the fte info from behind. After all, when Sarah is on stage, all people see are backs. So maybe the back should have the list info (listserv subscription info) and the front something more intimate. But I don't wear BANneD or BARreD T-shirts, unless the band has broken up or is very obscure, and don't wear bar t-shirts until I leave town. Also who wants to be tagged as a computer hacker in a bar, the members of the appropriate sex then know you might have no time for them at night. Plus Sarah is so popular here in Vancouver that it wouldn't be cool anymore? Maybe I'll wait for a non-Sarah-related t-shirt designed by Sarah, or a set of matched fumbling-towards-ecstasy condoms and candles for yuletide gift giving, along with the right mood music, and some nettwerk stockings :-). Plus a gift subscription to the fte-list. Anybody have any good ideas for Hallowe'en costumes or party themes linked to any of the music or art? David ----- p.s. All this debate about t-shirts will probably get me talking about t-shirred next time I dip into sci.physics. But I'd rather think about t shared and for now will go for some t stirred (Blue Rose). I'm off, 9:30 p.m., no 3 a.m. verses from me tonight. -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:167 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:18:29 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <24102709391848@vms2.macc.wisc.edu> Message-ID: fte:167 Subject: Re: Solace Julie wrote: >Hi there, ho there, hey there! I just have a somewhat nit-picking question >regarding the pronounciation of "Solace". It seems to me that I say it as >"sole-ace" and I have been corrected more than once by some phonetically >with it people who claim that my way is not right, >and the word is "Saul-ace" (OK, that Oh, no, not those phonetically wicked people. >looks a little weird, but the point being they claim there is no "sole" in the >word). I consulted my handy-dandy dictionary, and frankly I don't care what it >says. I like my way better. Doesn't Sarah herself say it "sole-ace"? Who >says Mr. Webster (of dictionary fame) was *always* right. Is that the guy in The Devil and Daniel Webster? Also reflexology is actually very relaxing and/or stimulating. I guess the dictionary pronounciation is Saul'-ass. But, with my first name, I'd rather avoid Saul and stick to Michal or the like. I prefer to pronounce it with the accent on the first syllable, which could be either Sol (especially with the jump in sunspot number yesterday) or Soul (with Nov. 1 approaching). The second syllable is somewhere between ass and ace, probably closer to ass the way I (don't) play tennis. David Message fte:168 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:24:01 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HIRRV3CUB6AR36B3@phobos.ucs.umass.edu> Message-ID: fte:168 Subject: Re: halloween costumes 'stine wrote: > Ok, I feel like getting silly now. You could be a 'Back Door Man'. >But I'm not sure, if you dressed up as a door, how you would distinguish >yourself from a front door or a side door... I would have to be more open, have a light on (drinks), and probably do fewer (dance) steps. But I don't think I would wear a trapdoor. > I think the most obvious choice for a costume is Sarah's version >of Medusa. I think it would be neat because she made Medusa look so angelic >and that would confuse people. My sister Mary (named after my two grandmothers) has published a great poem entitled "Medusa and Dracula" or something like that. Maybe I'll post it closer to the end of the month, if I can make it relate. David Message fte:169 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:42:37 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <4248*dalton@geop.ubc.ca> Message-ID: fte:169 Subject: Re: Solace >I prefer to pronounce it with the accent on the first syllable, >which could be either Sol (especially with the jump in sunspot >number yesterday) or Soul (with Nov. 1 approaching). The >second syllable is somewhere between ass and ace, probably >closer to ass the way I (don't) play tennis. P.S. But as someone else points out, it comes out sounding like "us". Also the dictionary seems to include the l in the second syllable, so maybe we can twist it to sow lust, with sow as a verb not a noun, I guess (although see my earlier comments on the sow goddess). I guess at Hallowe'en Johnny will have to do something with those seeds after bobbing for apples. Accents and regional variations in speech and music, are the cinnamon of life. David Message fte:170 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:43:42 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9410280130414410927@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:170 Subject: Re: FEAR T wrote: >This is also one of my favorite songs. Does she also do the backing vocals >or is it Camile? Probably on the album the backing vocals are Sarah clones, and live they are Camille, after the lead-in. >I can match her pitch with a little pressure. I wouldn't want that kind of pressure, at least in certain spots. Protectors are a good idea in certain sports. David Message fte:171 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 16:06:56 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:171 Subject: turbulent indigo tributary of light (was Re:Joni Mitchell) Steve wrote: >To me, Touch seems to be deeply influenced by Joni, and Solace a little >bit less so. I heard Joni on Gabereau a few days ago, plus there was a big retrospective write-up on her in the Globe and Mail early in the week (I have it at home if anyone wants the date). Her hours and writing appeal to me but I haven't really gotten into her recordings yet. >Musically, Sarah seems to be a paradigm of growth from more >derivative ("but not in a bad way") to more personal. I guess she started as more of a tributary and is now a big river of her own, and doesn't need to be up bullshit creek to find good fertilizer. Also it is good to hear more curvature and less first derivative, for the mathematically inclined (or warped, like me) gen-Xers born (or maybe stressed) in a storm around the time of the big "jerk" (jump in the curvature) of the earth's magnetic field that occurred around 1968--1970. :-) I think "jerk" is a bad term, since the higher derivatives are probably smooth. Maybe it was a magnetic orgasm, after all that 60's psychedelic loving. David p.s. I'll be watching for that turbulent indigo lightning/night sky over the next few nights, now that the sunspot number jumped again yesterday and we are six days before new moon. But Aequinox--Wsolstice has usually been a slow time so I probably won't post any creative outpourings, plus I have to get up at 6 a.m. for an all day yoga workshop on Sunday so late nights on the computer are not an option until Hallowe'en at least. How's that for a run-on sentence. Friday afternoon, so I'm off to badminton, then to help with sound at Koerner's so you won't hear from me for a while, those of you who haven't been skipping my posts. (i.e., use delete from=dalton or the like in your mail reader. Also, those wanting a digest option should be able to create your own by doing print new to=fumbling and to=fte or however it works with your mail reader. Some can be set up to create a folder and automatically file mail from the list in that folder, and even thread it.) I plan to re-order side two of my compilation tape on Saturday, while doing pumpkin cake baking and cleaning. I did it past 4 a.m. when tired and packed too much in, and it ended up jerky, not like evolution, love's solution. But side 1 is smooth, unlike this post. Message fte:172 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 18:44:08 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:172 Subject: aurora Sarah is a northern light (to the U.S., anyway), so here is an aurora activity report quote for those of you who plan to be out late looking for ghostly images in the next few days: ----- from finger aurora@xi.uleth.ca: A> "Auroral activity is expected to become moderately to strongly enhanced A> on 30 October due to a recurrent solar coronal hole. The last rotation A> of this coronal hole produced major auroral storming that was easily A> visible into the northern U.S. states. Similar levels of activity may A> be attained on 30 and 31 October. Lunar phase will be waning at that A> time and will provide optimum viewing conditions until the moon rises A> sometime between 2 and 3 in the local morning (varying depending on your A> location). This disturbance is expected to last between 4 and 6 days, A> although the most intense activity should be observed on 30 or 31 Oct. ------- So late on the night of Hallowe'en (early on the 1st) will be a good time to view the aurora and greet the moon's slip. Also, the recent solar activity and coronal hole will be echoed in the geomagnetic field shortly. Sunspot number is at 87 and rising, but flare activity is unlikely to reach M-class. But anyway, everybody check your chi. Here is a quote from finger daily@xi.uleth.ca : D> "The shock related to activity on 25 October has yet to pass. The D> greater than 2 MeV electron flux persists at high levels. D> Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is D> expected to be at active to minor storm levels both early and D> late in the period. A shock should disturb the field soon, the D> disturbance weaken on day two, and then coronal hole effects D> dominate on day three. D> Geomagnetic activity probabilities 28 oct-30 oct: D> A. Middle Latitudes D> Active 30/25/30 D> Minor Storm 35/25/30 D> Major-Severe Storm 20/05/25 D> B. High Latitudes D> Active 20/35/25 D> Minor Storm 45/25/30 D> Major-Severe Storm 25/05/30 D> HF propagation conditions were normal over all regions. D> Minor signal degradation may be observed over the high and D> polar latitude paths during the next 24 hours should the D> flare-related shock arrive. Otherwise, near-normal propagation D> will persist until 30 October when recurrent effects from a D> solar coronal hole should moderately disturb HF propagation D> on middle to polar latitude paths." ----------------- But this happens quite often so don't worry. Satellite MTV will probably not be disrupted. I would relate the aurora to a song, but must run along. Flames me by e-mail, not to the list. I just thought people would be interested in the chance of a good Hallowe'en aurora. Now I'll have to figure out a good place to travel to from The Railway, Kits Beach might not be the best spot to see the aurora after all. David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:173 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:33:06 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HIWHBNGRJI9QV0KQ@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:173 Subject: vat I can (was Re: Weird is weird) Meredith wrote: >I also find it strange that Sarah is playing at the Vatican, but that might >just be because I'm a bitter recovering Catholic. If I ever went to the >Vatican I would have a ball at the museums -- I hope she has time to check >them out. Yeah, and maybe make a side trip to Venice to see that statue that Spirit of the West sing about. Sarah is a segret agent of change on a special mission to the heart of the institution. I bet she will inspire the pope more than the other way around, unless. But after all, he does kiss the earth every time he travels, and without a latex oral guard, of course, of course. The Vatican is filled will remnants of past ecstasy, so her songs will fit it, and the artwork may inspire, plus the location must have something going for it. > >If you consider that she will be playing for heads of State Of course, she is a visiting head of state (of fte). Also the Italians are rather musical and appreciative of fine emotional voices so when they love her it will be another notch in her guitar handle. David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:174 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:52:10 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:174 Subject: gay french epsilon (Re: Kinda Mean letter..) Someone whose name I deleted and am too lazy to exit to get again wrote: >Everyone seems so concerned with Sarah being gay or not? WHY!?!?! XX!XY?XX~ Seriously, I guess people are just naturally nosy, and want to find out all they can about the inner workings and vibrational modes of a star. Also some people want to nail down the song interpretation instead of letting it dance. And others want to sexually worship Sarah and don't feel comfortable about it unless they know. I guess by being amBIguous she gets the wonderful benefit of obsessive fans from all genders and persuasions, but all of them are still unsure, except her hairdresser. :-) >I think Sarah writes "Human Songs".. Right on, 'man! The U, man, is of life and time, horseshoes, horns, and the unwrapped circle of light. ??? Davidd, early on a windy Hallowe'en -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:175 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:03:19 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9411012152.AA15418@ag1.iastate.edu> Message-ID: fte:175 Subject: Re: New Topic =o) Mark boldly scribed: >Okay, I'm going to start a new topic since I'm not reading certain (ahem) >posts anymore. =) So, here it is: What's your favorite album and why? Who's Al? Oh, Al L, for topical application (l)only, new Ys. :-) Mine is Touch in the morning, SOLace in the afternoon, and Fumbling Towards Ecstasy at night. No, seriously, they are like favourite friends, I would never be able to rank one above the other, just appreciate their differences. Touch is touched with strangeness and passion and vulnerability, Solace is more grounded (or seatit), but still strange and raw, a mix of growth, root and wind. Fumbling Towards Ecstasy is smoother, centred, a reconfirmation, a base from which to explore new regions of s-pace. I hope-bet the next one will be Ecstasy, and the world will not-ice. Oh, and from the above it appear that I listen to three each day (I do, but not those three), but really I haven't played either one in the last week due to new purchases, but have played the compilation tape a couple of times (I also redid side B). >I'd have to say mine is FTE, probably because the lyrics seem to really >speak to me. Lines like "I believe this is heaven to no one else but me" >say soooo much with just a few words. Yes, the new lyrics are good and mass ready, but I kind of miss some of the old weirder doodling/jigging/rapping consciousness stream lyrics too and would love a ba-lance of the two in future. But maybe the first drafts are still doodling and then they are smoothed out, like art from dream to sketch to textured oil. And with _that_ VoICE (voice of vice, not voice of ice) there is more meaning in the song than just the lyrics. She could sing a nursery rhyme, with gregorian/tuvan backing vocals, a capella, and many would buy it. But her lyrics are good enough that this will never be necessary. >Sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I'm relatively new to the >list, and I wanted to get some other discussion going. And I'm going to >smack anyone who gets into a flame war over which is the best release! >*laff* :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) (Putting in a bunch of smilies so no one >thinks that last sentence was serious!) But some types of smacks are good (lip). Luckily you put in an odd number of smileys. It looks like a sideways totem pole, maybe a totem pole belt with the ends dangling. I guess that would be a belly laugh, or earth totem belt to make a beautiful woman even more dangerous. (The belly dance of the earth, to keep us all in the dance, not just lip service.) And a flame war would result in a lot of dripping wax and a lot of angry threes. Flames of love not war love encompasses peace and happiness and root and diversity... (I get my warmest degree from diversity not university.) David once again sucked into a long post by low blood sugar, bye. Message fte:176 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:38:12 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:176 Subject: Re: money With the low CAN/US exchange ratio, it might even be cheaper (and possibly more convenient if there are a lot of Canadian list members) for the t-shirts to be made here in Canada. My friends at Red Dog Graphics produce very good t-shirts and other stuff, and could be reached at reddog@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Graham-Smith). But I guess this is not realistic if there is a big duty, or if no local list member wanted to coordinate activities (I am too busy with thesis and other weary-D writings or non-writings and also just took on booking the grad centre Friday music again so won't have time.) Just a thought. Steve plans to set up a WWW site soon that people can use to click on/view/order t-shirt designs; they have some good house ones. (Steve also plays a mean guitar or bodhran and belts out good Stan Rogers covers/etc.) David Dalton Message fte:177 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:44:51 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199411031606.LAA13274@io.org> Message-ID: fte:177 Subject: black birds (was Re: Part One: Intro) Dwayne wrote: >... went to see Sarah for the second time >at the Pacific National Exhibition (PNE). The sun was setting over the >coastal mountains, turning the sky fire red. Suddenly, just before Sarah >came on, a flock of small black birds, a least 2000 of more, rose and darted >around the stage. It was a magical sight... Yes, indeed. Thanks, Duey, I had forgotten the birds and other visual details. That concert was tremendously moving, and part of the buildup to one of the most powerful mystical experiences of my life. Sarah wasn't the only trigger/influence, but an important one, and it is good to remember the sunset and wheeling vee. Weeks before this concert I had gotten an overdose of Atlantic folk in St. John's, including Emile Benoit (who died a year later), and the Sarah concert connected me with Vancouver and the modern world, then a few days later the lightning struck. Those little PNE doughnuts surely helped as well. David Message fte:178 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:16:48 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:178 Subject: DRD Intro You all probably know way too much about me already, but here goes, and I am in very boring low energy mode this week, so it is dry. ------------------------------- I first heard Sarah McLachlan at The Town Pump, with Lava Hay opening, when my brother John was visiting me back in the late 80's. I later heard her from the lineup at the top of The Railway's stairs when she was doing a thank-you gig for the club's letting her do a video there (Steaming, I think). The concert that really blew me away was the PNE one on the last Wed in August 1991, outdoors near sunset. I have since heard her at the Judith Marcuse dance opening, at a Clayoquot Sound benefit, and most recently at Sunflower Sunday. Here is a bio which grew too long as usual --------------------------------- roots: David Raymond (Boland Walker Hawco) Dalton, with some celtic musical roots (father John played mandolin, fiddle, both grandmothers Mary Boland and Mary Walker played accordion, many, including mother Ellen Hawco, sang), but little in current generation yet (nieces Hazel and Ellen are working on it), and with some premature silver and maybe weirdness from maternal grandmother Mary Walker of Frog Marsh (or Fairy Marsh), Brigus, Newfoundland. Seventh child, after three sisters and three brothers. Orphaned at 6 mo. (m), 5 yr (f), then brought up mostly by second oldest sister Anne. Eldest sister Mary has published two books of poetry so far: "The Time of Icicles" and "Allowing the Light". birth: three days after Valentine's, 1964, premature, in a snowstorm so that makes me an Aquarian Dragon. Born in a St. John's hospital but live(d) in Lakeview, Conception Bay Central, on the Avalon Peninsula about 30 miles from St. John's. physical: height is 6'2" in the morning or after yoga, 6'1" at night, weight has been 174 lb +- 5 lb for the last 14 years, hair is very dark brown with some silver, gets very fluffy in humid weather or if blow dried so since it is now a bit long I don't blow dry it. Eyes are brown with a touch of green/hazel. I have a slight downward hook in my nose, more visible from the side than front. I have wide feet (11EEE to 11.5EEEE) and a long scar up my belly from exploratory surgery when I was 18, that slowed me down for a while, a weaker right knee, very nearsighted eyes (I would be helpless without my -10.75/-9.75 contacts or glasses, and was once, on that tree...). education: perpetual student, started in Chemistry at MUN in 1980 at 16, switched to Earth Sciences in 1983, got B.ScH in 1985 at 21, moved to Vancouver to start M.Sc. in Geophysics on Sept. 1, 1985, was slowed down by a mild clinical depression that ended in early 1987, finished thesis in Dec. 1987 at 23, started Ph. D. in Jan. 1988, so am nearing the end of my 7th year and must either finish or give it up and get a job soon. Thesis topic is on computer modelling of sound scattering and the like. But in the long term I want to get back into global environmental (or socio-environ-mental health) work and the like. extracurricular: for over three years have done volunteer sound work open mic hosting, booking and related stuff at the UBC grad student centre, which of course involves some club hopping to scout and schmooze with rising talent. My favourite clubs in Vancouver are probably the grad centre, Railway Club and W.I.S.E. hall/lounge but The Town Pump and Commodore and Yale and Glass Slipper and others occasionally draw me. Other activities include pool, badminton, cooking, SF, literature, poetry, yoga, mythology and much more. I haven't picked up an instrument yet, will wait until I am really high or until I have a lot of spare time. musical interests: many of my favourite bands are those I have heard live, here in Vancouver or in St. John's, and include NF bands such as Pamela Morgan (ex of Figgy Duff), Rawlins Cross, Great Big Sea, Roger Howse, Thomas Trio and the Red Albino, Dead Reckoning, Liz Pickard (The Liz Band), and Vancouver acts such as Sarah, Mae Moore, Colleen Eccleston, Jenny Allen, Sandy Scofield, Dyhan Roberts, UHF, Roy Forbes, The SToaters, The PaperBoys, Bughouse Five, The Real McKenzies, Tammy Fassaert, Wyckham Porteous. I haven't heard The Blue Shadows yet but may on Sunday or Saturday. Bands such as The Perfume Tree, The Flu, HEatmiser, Wretched Ethyl, The Clumsy Lovers, along with Colleen and Jenny and Tammy and The PaperBoys and many others, have played my open mic and gotten gigs from me. Rose Chronicles and Spirit of the West play a free concert at UBC on Nov. 18 so I will check them out; of course SOTW is one of my faves but I haven't heard RC yet (at least the band). There will probably be a few benefit concerts over Christmas as well, including the Spirit of Christmas show at The Railway. Of non-local acts, I like Ferron a lot, and Tom Waits, and Kate and Anna McGarrigle, and hordes of others, but don't own any Tori or Happy or Milla yet (some Bush, though). other: solitary by nature and introverted, although grad centre activities and net activities and nature's hand have opened me up somewhat. Since Sept 5/6, 1991 I have had some more mystical and poetic leanings to go with the science, but haven't tried to publish anything yet. No religion, although was RC by birth, if anything now just an improvised form of solitary paganism or nature worship, evolving. I have one mild form of bipolar mood disorder (which is a spectrum), but one that does not include the strong irritability, violence, self/other abuse, overshopping or random sex that some experience, but instead periods of strong creative linkage and mystic resonance, maybe 1--2 times/year for a few days each time, usually just before new moon so the period from Christmas to New Year's this year is one for me to watch. There are also periods of psychic torture or disorientation, which have occurred 1--2 times/year, often 5.5 lunar months before the creative episodes, usually alcohol or marijuana triggered (like a panic attack) the week before full moon. Hence I now avoid marijuana at all times and alcohol during certain times of the month (I guess the goddesses want me on the straight and narrow at full moon time, when I am at their mercy :-) and thus hope to minimize these "mixed states" or eliminate them. I have not had any long depressions since Jan1987, just some low energy periods here and there, including this week. Such low energy periods are also likely to begin before new moon and I am doing some scientific analysis to try and predict them. I also can use music to help manage mood. My mood problems have rendered me incapable of working only about four days this past year, and made me extra zany another four days, late at night well after midnight and well past most working hours. With proper mood tracking and management techniques I hope to reduce this in future, at least the inward/twisted/mixed periods. In the past I have been a bit frivolous on fte, partly to vent any weirdness that I probably shouldn't e-mail to my supervisor or blurt out in the coffee room. But now that traffic is increasing I will try to restrict any frivolity to stuff tagged on to the end of an occasional serious post. Plus I probably won't get at all weird until after the winter solstice if not much later, and even when weird on the net can be pretty boring in person. David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:179 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:22:48 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:179 Subject: Re: Sarah Newsgroup ** PLEASE READ ** I think we should wait until we are well enough organized and have enough numbers to get a rec.* newsgroup, as the RDT people did for Tori Amos. But then again, it might be best to stick to creating Sarah threads in existing newsgroups, than way we would attract more new Sarah fans, who might not bother to glance in the Sarah-specific group. That is, create lots of Sarah traffic on alt.music.canada, alt.music.ecto, alt.music.alternative.female, rec.music.misc and the like, first, and then if that traffic is high enough go to a Sarah newsgroup. If there is a gateway, I too would like to see it one-way, from list to newsgroup and not newsgroup to list. Such a gateway would give the newsgroup some initial volume and momentum, which, for example, alt.music.lor-mckennitt does not have (although I haven't glanced there recently). How many members do we have now? How many votes and how many positive votes are required for a rec.* newsgroup? It is usually best to aim for a rec.* group first, then if it fails go for an alt.* group. David Message fte:180 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 1:44:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:180 Subject: Sarah newsgroup A newsgroup is not out of the question, but if we want it we have to build up a volume of discussion on the existing newsgroups. This would involve starting a Sarah thread crossposted to many groups, with followup set to the most appropriate ones. I will do that right now, and it will include rec.music.misc for those without alt.* group access, and will be crossposted to the groups of related artists but with followup set to outside them (to rec.music.misc, alt.music.canada, alt.music.ecto, alt.music.alternative.female) If even half of the people on this list posted something to such a thread within the next week, and then we submitted a properly formatted request for a alt.music.sar-mclachlan group, pointing to the recent volume, we would probably get the group. (But even after the group is established a fair number of posts should be crossposted to the related newsgroups, to draw new fans.) The other options would be: 1. traffic is dying down on the list again, maybe we don't need a Sarah newsgroup 2. perhaps the groups such as alt.music.canada and alt.music.ecto are enough 3. perhaps we should wait until after the next recording and go for rec.music.sar-mclachlan 4. perhaps we should try for an alt.music.nettwerk instead to cover all Nettwerk artists. But this might be hard to do, with the commercial name in the group. It might be easier if a different catchy name was used, but the group still for the Nettwerk family of artists. Anyway, right now I will post some Sarah thread bait to many groups, if you want to increase Sarah's volume (on the net) add your two cents worth, even if it is a repeat of stuff on the list, or bio info, or whatever, for the benefit of the many net people not on the list. But for now I won't mention fte on the net; if net posters seem not to be too immature then we can invite them by e-mail to join the list. (But then again, I am pretty immature at times.) The post will go to rec.music.misc,alt.music.canada,alt.music.ecto and some other groups. David Message fte:181 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:26:05 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:181 Subject: Re: Birthday Card For Sarah There isn't really time to mail around a card many times, but perhaps people could all fax their signature, with short note or funky artwork, to someone with a PC fax board who could merge them all in one funky bitmap that could be either faxed or e-mailed to nettwerk, or printed on the blank area of a card that would fit through the manual feed slot of a printer. But there is nothing wrong with doing a group e-mail thread card, so someone starts a thread or story and others just keep adding on to it, so it becomes a cascade virtual story birthday card from everyone on the list (although the >>>... would extend rather far to the right by then, you would need a very wide screen to view it). Maybe it could even be a web card. And it might save some trees and some licking (of stamps). And I guess this birthday card won't be much of a surprise. What about a present? It could be a publicity blitz announcing her coming of age, with requests, hitting all the media outlets we know of. Will she really be 72? (kidding, I know it will be "three to the power of three") David Message fte:182 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:10:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:182 Subject: Sarah McLachlan newsgroup At the end I summarize the recent alt.config discussion for those who are interested. Vickie wrote: >David Dalton wrote: > >> A recent attempt to form an alt.music.* group for the discussion of >> Sarah McLachlan's music failed since it was improperly formatted. >> Before we try again, it would be good to demonstrate some >> traffic related to Sarah McLachlan in the more general groups >> in which her name has cropped up, TO WHICH I HAVE SET THE >> "Followup-To:" LINE. So if you are interested in a separate >> McLachlan newsgroup or simply want to share your personal experiences >> with her music or find out more about it, join in this thread. >> If traffic is low, we won't bother with the newsgroup attempt. > >Wait...hold on! This is not a flame, but this post is another indication >that some people don't understand the newsgroup process. Nothing >personal David, but you're one of them. The problem is not about >*getting* a Sarah newsgroup, because: > >THERE ALREADY *ARE* *** 2 (two) *** SARAH NEWSGROUPS. Yes, but they were improperly created without adequate discussion, have been panned on alt.config and have been rmgroup-ed by many and won't be picked up by others without a proper discussion on alt.config, and it may help to distance ourselves from the failed proposal by waiting a week or more and using a different name so that there is a new newgroup message for newsadmins to consider, in the light of the discussion, not before it. The two existing newsgroups are not recognized by most, and could be allowed to die quickly while we start afresh. >alt.music.sarah_mclachlan This is not valid, as previously discussed, since sarah_mclachlan exceeds 14 characters. >and >alt.music.s-mclachlan This was created within a few hours of the proposal, without adequate discussion on alt.config, and was rmgroup-ed by many sysadmins if not globally, and is unlikely now to be picked up by many others without adequate discussion on alt.config and demonstration of some Sarah McLachlan related traffic in other groups. Just creating a new group without some discussion and justification in alt.config is not the way to go. We need to try that proposal/discusion again; we could use the same name (alt.music.s-mclachlan) since it has already been created, or a different name (such as rec.music.sar-mclachlan) to distance the new proposal from the original one, and also because many newsadmins have ignored the newgroup for the .s-mclachlan group but might respond to a newgroup command for .sar-mclachlan if it is preceeded by adequate discussion in alt.config. Perhaps I am wrong and we can rescue/publicize the .s-mclachlan name successfully, so go ahead if you wish, but I would rather not risk trying that when a fresh proposal is more likely to be accepted quickly, rather than the old name after a long period of lobbying. But it might be best to check with alt.config war veterans for advice. >They both exist, and have been picked up by at least some systems. As >soon as they're created, they exist forever and ever, amen. But as discussed in the alt.config FAQ, some fade away far faster than others, and it is usually much better to create the group after a period of discussion so that it is picked up right away by a large number of sites and has some initial momentum, rather than fighting its way up from obscurity and premature illegal birth. >The *problem* >was that they were created without sufficient discussion in alt.config, >which means that a majority of systems did not pick them up. Yes, and they are now very unlikely to very quickly, whereas a new proposal would get many to pick it up right away. >There's no way we can go for a 3rd alt newsgroup. Again, the first two were hastily newgrouped, as the appended discussion shows. Nobody really "went for" an alt newsgroup, Arnold just went ahead and created them, without the preliminary discussion period, and they will probably die. Perhaps we can use the one already created but it may be better to start fresh. Convince me with previous examples of newsgroup creations if you wish. >The best we can hope >for is to try and get alt.music.s-mclachlan wider propogation. You're >on the right track David, all you have to do is give up the idea that >we can get *another* newsgroup (you suggested alt.music.sar-mclachlan, >but it's too late for that). From the alt.config discussion, which I append, the .s-mclachlan group is unlikely to be picked up. It might be best to let it die, do proper discussion, and do the .sar-mclachlan proposal since the original group has been rmgrouped by many newsadmins and will not be picked up by others. We could use the same name, but I think it best to use a new name, to avoid the uphill battle. >Again, you're on the right track, but please learn the ways of alt.config >and newsgroup creation/propogation before you go any further. I believe I have. It is best to distance ourselves from the improper/aborted creation of alt.music.s-mclachlan, and redo it properly, taking care not to start any flame wars in alt.config, and thus ensure that more newsadmins would pick up the group. Perhaps the same name can be used, or perhaps not; that should be determined after discussion, and it might be best to use a new name to distance ourselves from the old proposal. In any case, I don't plan to create a new group; you can feel free to direct the discussion towards using the old name if you are sure that sysadmins who have previously ignored its newgrouping will get a new message about it and will not ignore it. Have you read the recent discussion in alt.config? From it and the FAQ I gathered that indeed two groups had been created, that the first was removed due to name length, and the second was probably doomed to slow obscurity from non-acceptance. Sure, once a newsgroup exists, it exists forever, but often in solitude (doesn't get picked up by many computer geeks). Here is some sample discussion from alt.config A: On Nov. 3, Daniel Hartung wrote, in reply to Arnold Kasemsarn' proposal of A: > PROPOSAL: alt.music.sarah_mclachlan A Touch of Solace in Ecstacy A: A: Nope. Has to be 14 characters max per element (WHY don't people read the FAQ A: first??? WHY?). A: A: Following the alt.music.lor-mckennit example, perhaps alt.music.sar-mclachlan A: would be an acceptable name. A: A: On Nov. 3, Oscar Acosta wrote, in reply to the same proposal: A: A: >PROPOSAL: alt.music.sarah_mclachlan A Touch of Solace in Ecstacy A: > A: >(if this is ok with all the newsadmins out there) A: A: I've got my goddamned doubts !! Seeing that you went ahead and newgrouped it A: anyway, I guess it doesn't make a difference (except that now you A: have two pieces of net litter). A: A: This should be put in the How To Create An Alt Group FAQ as an example of A: how NOT to do it . A: A: A: From: lmccarth@bali.cs.umass.edu (L. Futplex McCarthy) A: Newsgroups: alt.config A: Subject: *rmgroup* alt.music.sarah_mclachlan A: Date: 4 Nov 1994 07:39:10 GMT A: A: After a scant few hours of discussion on alt.config (including someone A: pointing out the problem with the name, and maybe 2 or 3 people total A: indicating interest), Arnold Kasemsarn writes: A: A: $ For your newsgroup file: A: $ alt.music.sarah_mclachlan A Touch of Solace in Ecstasy A: A: Bad idea ! Let's rmgroup this ASAP. A: A: You just lost nearly all your credibility with me (and others here, I A: suspect). Not a good way to get people to take you or your proposed A: group seriously. A: A: A: From: lmccarth@bali.cs.umass.edu (L. Futplex McCarthy) A: Newsgroups: alt.config A: Subject: *rmgroup* alt.music.s-mclachlan A: Date: 4 Nov 1994 07:58:06 GMT A: A: Arnold Kasemsarn writes: A: $ For your newsgroup file: A: $ alt.music.s-mclachlan A Touch of Solace in Ecstasy A: A: Looks like we have a mad newgrouper on our hands. That's two Sarah A: McLachlan groups in one night, mere hours after the idea was first A: raised on alt.config. Apart from the fact that I've seen no mention of A: this name in alt.config, nobody's come close to indicating that there's A: enough traffic to warrant a separate group. Scott Hagie has indicated A: the opposite, I believe. A: A: I heartily support the removal of these first two Kasemsarn creations A: (hopefully we'll never see any more), and firmly oppose the creation A: of any further debris along these lines. I'll be happy to put my control A: messages where my mouth is, when the time comes. A: A: A: From: ak1@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Arnold Kasemsarn) A: Newsgroups: alt.config A: Subject: Re: *rmgroup* alt.music.s-mclachlan A: Date: 4 Nov 1994 18:31:39 GMT A: A: OK, I made mistake, albeit a pretty big one ... I AM SORRY ... got a little A: bit too anxious after getting the (as of 5:00 pm the same day) 20-30 NEW A: messages off of the fumbling_towards_ecstasy listserv ... was not thinking A: when the first control message went out and tried to rmgroup it as soon as I A: realized what I did wrong ... I hope that you accept my apology ... A: A: have been on the Internet for over a year already and have created several A: fairly well attended groups already (with the attendant lurkers, of course), A: and had forgotten some of the rules over the past several months ... so A: rmgroup as you wish (already did so myself to the first one, as I mentioned). A: A: A: A: From: ak1@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Arnold Kasemsarn) A: Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.misc,alt.music.canada,alt.music.alternative,alt.music.alternative.female A: Subject: Re: RMGROUP alt.music.sarah_mclachlan A: Date: 4 Nov 1994 18:40:07 GMT A: A: A: In article , Scott Hagie wrote: A: >Arnold Kasemsarn (ak1@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: A: >: You ever look at the throughput through fumbing_towards_ecstasy ... the A: >: mclachlan listserv, it would seem that it would need another release for the A: >: information/discussion/gossip that it entails ... A: > A: >No, what is the throughput of the listserv? A: > A: >Scott A: >-- A: > Scott Hagie - hagie@netcom.com - Sierra Madre, Ca. A: >It dropped so low in my regard, that I heard it hit the ground, A: >and go to pieces on the stones at the bottom of my mind. A: >But I blamed the fate that fractured less, than I reviled myself, for A: >entertaining plated wares upon my silver shelf. - Emily Dickinson A: A: From: ak1@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Arnold Kasemsarn) A: Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.misc,alt.music.canada,alt.music.alternative,alt.music.alternative.female A: Subject: Re: RMGROUP alt.music.sarah_mclachlan A: Date: 4 Nov 1994 18:40:07 GMT A: Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL A: NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu A: A: To NEWSADMINS: A: A: Please remove alt.music.sarah_mclachlan if you carry it ... the name was A: improperly formatted on proposal/control ... I am sorry about the A: inconvenience. A: A: Arnold Kasemsarn A: ak1@merle.acns.nwu.edu David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:183 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:56:35 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:183 Subject: Re: Sarah newsgroup Oops, in the last post I wrote: "...We need to try that proposal/discusion again; we could use the same name (alt.music.s-mclachlan) since it has already been created, or a different name (such as rec.music.sar-mclachlan)..." Of course I meant alt.music.sar-mclachlan, not rec.music.sar-mclachlan. In a few years, after another album or two, we will be able to go for a rec.* group. But as the alt.config FAQ mentions, this desire should not be mentioned in any alt.config discussion (or new proposal). I also want to reassure you that I will not jump the gun and try to newgroup another SM newsgroup, but merely want to stimulate discussion on related groups for a while. Then if the discussion warrants we can either push for acceptance of the .s-mclachlan group in alt.config, or if that appears unlikely (or if doing so won't get it newgroup-ed across sysadmins desks again after they have already killed it once) then will propose or help propose a new name, after proper consultation with other fte members and perhaps the people involved in recent alt.config discussion. This would include politely consulting those who were pissed off at the original creation and soliciting their advice on the proper procedure, to get them on board if possible and not ready to red flag all "mclachlan" strings. David Message fte:184 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 0:52:45 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:184 Subject: Sarah Newsgrope, digest sarahn rap Gina wrote: >Sorry to sound so stupid but is this why the RDT list for Tori Amos has >gotten so huge and unruley? I mean I can hardly read this thing because >it is a novel every day. I have unsubed because I just can't keep up. >If this is why then I understand but it sucks. Sorry for the non Sarah >content but I know that someone on this list will know how to answer this >quesstion. That could be the case, if the RDT list is two-way gatewayed to the newsgroup. But if the FTE list is gatewayed to the newsgroup (to give the newsgroup some initial momentum) it will definitely be one-way, so posts from the list will appear on the group and give it some direction, but followups and originals on the newsgroup will not appear back on the list. Also, it could just be that RDT has gotten huge and unruley just because of Amos's popeularity. (Of course, really deep thoughts are often huge and curved, or small and sensitive, or both. :-) Perhaps we can develop a code for subject lines, so people can preface their subject by INFO: or FRIVOLITY: or RELIGION: or ANIMAL-LOVE: or SEXUALITY: or CAMBODIA: or REVIEWS: or LYRIC-INTERP: or FAVS: or INTROS: or T-SHIRT: or SarART: or VIDEOS: and you can delete all those you aren't interested in. But of course many of my posts stray across many boundaries so I would probably stick to FRIVOLITY: most often. hmmmommmmmmmmmmmmble, bee If we go to a digest then I bet traffic will drop a bit since people are less likely to reply to a digest. But digests are easy to skim through by scanning for the Subject: lines that interest you from the table of contents, so even if the digest is massive you can pick out that jewel (from me, I doubt) and trash the rest. ---- When will we hear some Sarahn rap? it would be sea wrap, not (bull) c-rapE unrelated to the F_a^b(4)'s Pollythene maP. DavidD Message fte:185 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 17:54:45 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:185 Subject: smoe It is an anagram for some and meso and 'omes and ms oe and ms eo and more I' sure, and maybe some chemical implications. What is soma? I'll stick to emo s As an acronym, maybe situation marvellous, ovulation excellent or improvise your own. David Message fte:186 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 1:43:39 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: "r.l. dusky" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:186 Subject: Re: Thanks!!!!!!:) Hi Sarah; you wrote: >Although, I have just begun to use the internet, I am really impressed >with the resources and the kindness of the people who use this facility. Yes, it is really close to old fashioned letter writing and gives you as much distance and time lag or as much closeness and immediacy as you want. Of course, if you want faster response then you can use the "talk" program but then it is almost as well to phone. >At first the whole idea was intimidating to me, but now I really enjoy my >time spent on the computer...as in my opinion I have become quite the >avid internet buff!!! I talk to my friends more on the computer than on >the phone...if you can believe it! Yes, I can believe it, especially if the friends are flung far and wide, may not have office phones, and may not be home at regular hours. It is easy to use finger to see if someone is logged on and then talk to converse, and of course e-mail when they are not on or when they are trying to work. >Once again I really appreciate the time that you have taken out of your >precious summer holidays... As a Ph.D student I am here all summer (although I will probably take a few days off from the end of the month to the day after Labour Day) so you haven't taken any time away that I wouldn't have frittered away anyway. >to answer a cry for help from someone you have >never met.... as I got your e-mail address from a forwarded message from >a friend! Don't worry, it is easy when the info is at your fingertips. If I had to bring it in from home (as in some lyric requests/etc) I may never have responded or it would have taken a while. And I am a compulsive helper; it sometimes takes longer to forget/ignore/delete a question than to answer it. Probably someday I will act more as a consultant in many areas or as an idea person than as someone who sticks to one area forever. >Thanks again, for all your great mail, time and effort!!!!! No problem, it only took me a few minutes, since I just copied some info from other files and am a pretty fast (dalton brother) two-fingered typist. >If there is anything I can do for you let me know!!!! Although, the only >thing I avidly read up on is science, the environment and >dolphins...so if it fits that category...at least I can try and help! You might want to glance in the newsgroups sci.environment talk.environment and alt.animals.dolphins although probably only 5% of the stuff there will be of interest. You can turn up other groups by scanning through the .newsrc file (which does not show up on ls but does on ls -a ) on a Unix system. >However, these music newsgroups are amazing...I even noticed a Tori Amos >group in the info you sent me....boy, there are others out there with my >funky taste in music!!!!! You may also find the newsgroup alt.music.ecto interesting (but it may not be at UWO yet, UBC just picked it up a few days ago). Also there is an ecto mailing list (where they discuss Happy Rhodes and other artists such as Sarah McLachlan, Tori Amos, Milla, Kate Bush, Joni Mitchell, and others; I think it started as a Happy Rhodes list and is now a list for "what the list members like") and a Milla list (I haven't joined, she cancelled her Town Pump gig due to visa problems so I haven't even heard her yet) and of course lists for Tori Amos, Kate Bush, Enya, Bruce Cockburn and hundreds of other groups. Have fun on the Internet but don't get too hooked on it. Like any media (such as TV) it can easily take too much time which could be better used otherwise. Don't let your Internet activities and relationships detract from your real life ones. But of course sometimes what you learn in the virtual or shadow world can be applied to the real world, although perhaps after a delay. I must run, it is 1:45 a.m. DavidD Message fte:187 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 0:34:14 UTC-0700 From: David R. Dalton To: Raven In-Reply-To: <28AUG94.09251930.0023.MUSIC@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> Message-ID: fte:187 Subject: Re: Sun King / Divine Poet and manic depression Hi Raven; you wrote: >This is also the teaching of Spiritual Alchemy, where the >Philosopher's Stone is reached though three stages: > Nigredo ("blackening", the dark night of despair); > Albedo ("whitening", purification); > Rubedo ("reddening", ripening, maturity). Of course this is cyclic and fractal (big and little cycles) and you ideally keep finding new layers of the philosopher's stone within and without. >I wish you good luck, and every good thing, my fellow bard. >Survive and succeed! Thanks, I will indeed try to dance around the worst obstacles and pay heed to the lead of the goddesss. >Y Gwir yn erbyn y Byd (The Truth Against the World) -- I prefer "The Truth Within the World" David Message fte:188 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:10:05 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: "r.l. dusky" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:188 Subject: Re: David Help!!!!!! Hi Sarah; you wrote: >I'm swamped by all the messages on my account. I think it is time I >gave FTE a break, the problem is I lost the file on how to >unsubcribe....can you help!!! Don't worry I still love Sarah >Mclachlan, I just can't devote the time needed to read over 500 >messages at a time! OK, I will forward you the original welcome message again, and it tells you how to unsubscribe. But note that traffic has been unusually high lately; it may dip when the t-shirt and other large threads fade away. I also get swamped, and end up deleting blocks of stuff by subject, or even some days scanning them, just picking one or two, and deleting the rest (e.g. delete to=fte and delete to=fumbling) often after moving them to a folder. Plus there has been a lot of clamour for a digest option so it should be on stream within the next little while. That way you would get your messages all in one file each day and just scroll through it, rather than getting a full mailbox. Plus people on the digest option are less likely to post so that will reduce traffic. Also there will be a newsgroup soon and some people will go to that and leave the list. So you might want to check back (or check with me) in a few weeks to see if the digest option is up yet. The other thing I tend to do is try and identify which people write posts that interest me, and if I am in a rush I will read theirs and skip/delete all the rest. Also as exams approach and winter sets in and the tour memories fade, posting may decline. Still, I am on two lists and am considering giving up fte for a while again to focus on the other one; or perhaps go to digest options for each one. Good luck, hope to see you back on the list when the digest is offered; David P.S. On Saturday I "sang" as part of a chorus on one track on my friends The PaperBoys new CD, done at Crosstown Studio (some at Mushroom) with producer Colin Nairne (of Barney Bentall, has produced Mae Moore, others). It (the track, not me) sounds great, so grab it when it comes out, which might not be for a while given the usual sticky label details. Colin, who seemed a nice guy, gave us a little tour and demo of the studio; it was interesting to get a taste of the studio world and compare it to my limited live sound experience. There is a big free (so the AMS can get quorum) concert with Rose Chronicles and Spirit of the West on the 18th, so I will finally get to hear RC, but then may miss SOTW since I have to do sound at a celtic session at the grad centre. One woman playing the session knows Geoff Kelly so maybe she will twist his arm and get him to come over for the crack. But even if not, The Spirit of Christmas benefit show at The Railway on the 22nd of Dec will be great, plus J Knutson the night before and PaperBoys on the 23rd plus I may do a party/session on the 27th or 28th. Any hot concerts in your area? Message fte:189 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:50:43 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: "Dave J. O'Toole" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:189 Subject: Re: DRD Intro Hi Dave; you wrote: >I've always enjoyed your posts, thanks for the additional bio info. I >especially like the way you turn words and phrases, approaching ideas at >different angles gives many different interpretations. I especially like >the way you spell and combine certain words and phrases in a way that gives >deeper insights (eg: your recent post that contained 'voice' spelled VoICE, I >forget the details but I followed your meaning). You should try to >publish, I'd buy it :) Well, if my Ph.D. thesis doesn't pan out, I may look into "serious" writing, among other options. The word play and cross linking is a characteristic of many bipolars, when I am in trouble (a few days a year) it gets out of control, but usually just a bit leaks through and I manage to keep it in some sort of context. >I was born on 7-Aug-1968 during a thunderstorm at 1:00am, shortly after a >window slammed shut from the wind (so my mother tells me). This makes me >a Leo of some sort... I've always had an affinity for rain and storms, the >power of Nature and the sense of renewal after a shower, breathe deep the >wet Earth. Yes, I have heard that people most love the weather they were born in, or at least the climate averaged over the first few months of their lives. Thus we Canadians have a very hard time in hot countries but if we had been born there it would be less of a problem. Of course, there is also a genetic component. But rain and storms often clean the air, provide fresh negative ions (try an ionizer) and stimulate the spirit. The change in barometric pressure may also change the oscillation frequencies of the body and bring it closer in tune with the earth. I am always charged up by high winds or lightning storms. >I also harbour a duality of sorts. On one side I'm the Engineer. Everything >is structured and logical, my robots dance to the tune of my software. On >the other side I'm appreciative of Nature and art and music, a closet writer >and an untrained poet. I've told people "I hate math, that's why I >became an engineer." But software is an art, once you strip it down. The >canvas is the blank screen of electrons, the brush the keyboard, the end >result being a series of robotic welds that builds a car, something that >others will drive. There's a piece of me in every Saturn, Dodge Neon, >Nissan Sentra, Nissan Truck, and Chevy Cavalier that drives down the >road, my anonymous mark on the world (despite the pollution that internal >combustion and manufacturing brings, more of that duality I mentioned...) Great, it sounds as though we have something in common, although you have managed to incorporate your artistic sensibilities in your engineering work and I am still struggling and bored with my thesis right now. But in the long run I hope to be able to combine the many passions. You don't have to be one or the other, just be a Rennaissance type, use one talent for your bread and butter but keep lots of pots on. >I was in your corner of the world a few years ago, I hiked the Olympics >in Washington. I remember standing atop wind blown Hurricane Ridge, gazing >across the Strait of Juan De Fuca at the glory of distant BC with the clouds >far below, playing across the mountainsides. On the coast I encountered a >rare Bald Eagle perched in a tree, it flew away before I could get >close. Being from the mostly flat state of Michigan I was in awe, it's >a magical place you live in. Yes indeed, the mountains and trees and sea all awed me when I first moved here, although Newfoundland, where I am from, has even wilder weather, plus rugged scenery, and is powerful in its own way. In fact, in early January I felt more moved by Earth/nature in Newfoundland than any time in BC except perahps the early Sept91 mystic experience, which was more sun related. >Same here (O'Toole is an ancient Irish name and as Catholic as they come), I >hold out that machines can take on personalities, I've taken an active >interest in artificial intellegence. By trying to make machines emulate >thought we can learn a whole lot more about ourselves. Not that I'm playing >at being a god or anything. Besides, I don't have the math skills to be a >real AI expert, but a guy can dream, right? In one mixed episode (after smoking up), I became convinced that we are all in a virtual reality, controlled through the Sun. But later I figured that it doesn't really matter and stopped worrying about infinite nesting of virtual realities. Of course we can dream, and let others develop the tools we use to explore and communicate, or provide the ideas for them to spend their lives on while we move on to something new. > >Butanyway enough intro expansion, my candles gutter low and my bed here >in the eastern time zone calls. For some reason I had the urge to write >tonight. Must be the Irish Whiskey (uisce beatha) I guess you know there is a band called that now? (Uisce Beatha) Great to hear from you, Dave, your writing is quite good, and I will watch for you of fte. I am rushed right now so my writing is probably choppy, I may send more later. David Message fte:190 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 1:09:31 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Gina Musil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:190 Subject: Re: Good enough for me Hi Gina; you wrote: >I am glad that a few people got >something out of my post. I feel much better now that I have had some >possitive feed back. Thank to you very much. You're welcome, I am glad to see some good writing, with real emotion, on the list, and hope to see more posts from you in future, although not necessarily as personal. >> Both music and proper breathing are important tools to help me >> get through problem times, or unlock stuff within, too. > >This is just something some people don't understand. It is also very >hard to explain this to people who don't understand. Amazing. Yes, some people don't like music at all, or don't get anything special out of it. It has always been important to me. The breathing awareness has come more in the last few years. >> If you or any friend gets in such a situation again, >> check out the alt.support.abuse-partners newsgroup or real >> local support groups if any exist. > >I hope I am beyond the need for help since I think that recovery is long >over. I have been looking into a few other similar groups because of a >attack that happened to me 4 years ago. It wasn't as all bad as it >sounds because I was saved from my attacker but it still is something >that has shaken me up and receintly more than ever. Call me odd but for >some reason I am not dealing well with this one. It wasn't a rape so I >don't belong in that group. It's great that you have recovered, but sometimes old wounds can resurface so if you ever have problems still check out the alt.support.abuse-partners group. It is not a group for rape victims but for those who have suffered physical or mental abuse from their partners, or those who are suffering such abuse. I don't follow it, but it is a fairly low traffic group; you might even be able to advice women who are where you were years ago, and learn new things yourself. (The rape groups, which are different, are alt.sexual.abuse.recovery.d and alt.sexual.abuse.recovery and are probably higher traffic.) But enough talk of that. >I do own a couple of classical things and a few country things (not much >really at all) but you are right there is a place and a time and a need >in my life. Hell, I have an AC/DC cd and it feels really good and fun >when the moment is right. Makes sense right? Yes indeed. Sometimes when I have been listening to Sarah and Loreena and Mae Moore and the like for a while, they will no longer work and I will resort to classical or celtic instrumental or hard rock to change the mood. Some of this is more appropriate to cooking, some to dancing, some to reading. >You should check out >US or So by Peter Gabriel (I think So is more poppy and US is more >personal) and try Little Earthquakes by Tori first. That or the Crucify >cd single with Smells Like Teen Spirit and Thank you on it. It is awsome >too. I love her other stuff too but this is a great place to start. Thanks for the suggestions and I will try them someday, after I get a new CD rack or finish my PhD or get a job, whichever comes first (almost definitely the rack). See you on FTE; David Message fte:191 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 22:30:58 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:191 Subject: terrorism condoms, phone alpha, eerie quest, P-update, frivolity Hi, reel Time; ----------------------- Now that the Fumbling-Towards-Ecstasy@yoyo.cc.moash.edu.au (of which I am an occasional member) netterrorism has succeeded, here are some things you might consider if you want to foil sinister plots by other such groups: 1. when threatened with a mail bomb, simply threaten to mail it back to the list. The few or single member organising the terrorist plot would not risk enraging the whole list. Most lists allow people not on the list to send to them; for those that don't it takes minutes to join via a listserv or majordomo, send the mail bomb bounce, and sign off the list again. 2. aquiesce to the request, but then play the worst and most obscure song by the artist that you can find, perhaps something from their high school days. Some list members might like that, in that it might be something not in their complete discography and clipping and video collection, but most wouldn't like their fave getting a bad rep. -------------------------- After I wrote down your number, which I think is 1-800-563-2328, I tried to come up with a good alpha expansion for it. One is 1-800-Joe-BEAT (or Joe-Beau). But I guess that is a bit sexist so maybe Jo-E-Beat is better. Also some people tend to dial zero instead of six for the o. This might be worth having a competition, perhaps for a mnemnomic expansion verse, such as Lovely Musical Dancing Cats Defecate Around Town 5 6 3 2 3 2 8 or Jolly Network E-mail Blast Flames Clumsy Virgin or, the leftover set of letters, with the "o" again: Kali Orgasms From An Eccentric Boreal Umbra (hmmm, this one has me thinking, maybe I should check the seismometers :-) etc (of course I probably have the number wrong) ---------------------- eerie quest: (e-quest) something from Thomas Trio and the Red Albino, perhaps Chasing the Dragon or (Stare into the) Darkness plus maybe an update on what the split members are doing? ------------------ Also my friends The PaperBoys just finished recording a CD, with Colin Nairne and Geoff Kelly producing, and will release it in January, I will friendly-review it for the net then. They are looking for a CD name, winning entry to get at least a free CD, if anyone wanted to e-mail ideas to me I would pass them on. ----------------------------- Computers are a great way to procrastinate: Good Enough reminded me of, at this "point in" "real time", how bullshit=horny sheared imaginary time (precessing lemniscate time) I guess you know what a real "Time" is in Newfoundland? Also, across Canada I guess it is now the "Time of Icicles" as my sister Mary says in her first book of poetry, much better than mine. Now, it's really time, to get (back) to work. D avid [de(finite)ley no(ugh)t diva D] (old FTE-list quote) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:192 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 0:07:31 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:192 Subject: Re: NF-Time (was Re: terrorism condoms...) Hi Robert; you wrote: >Heh David.. > >>No, a "Time" in Newfoundland is a ceili/party/dance, >>sometimes in a hall but often in a kitchen. >>Thus a real time can be a reel time, and generally >>a real good time. > >Seems to me that there should also be a gravel pit >involved somehow. am I wrong...? No, the people who go to the gravel pits are those thoroughly immersed in American influenced TV/car culture, and enslaved to their campers. Many people who would go to a "Time" are proud of their past, and are willing to go offroad, even hiking occasionally, to find a camping spot by a pond or stream rather than in a gravel pit; and lots would pay a fee and get a site in a provincial or national park. The gravel pit subculture is a small but well publicised one, that perhaps grew out of teenage makeout sessions/parties in gravel pits and nostalgic returns to those sites of first orgasm (but I'll let the sociologists deal with that). :-) Sounds like a good concert so far. Oops, make that was. Now for some David Wisdom (no, with this song I think I'll switch over to Holgar Peterson for a while.) DRD Message fte:193 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 1:37:25 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: The Musils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:193 Subject: Re: Good enough for me Hi Gina; you wrote: >Aren't you well versed in music? Not from a musician's standpoint, only from a music lovers one, and from doing sound technician stuff. I do want to learn some music theory and an instrument some day, though. I don't have much of an ear, but it is improving --- when I go a bit high my ear is much better (or at least I think so), and afterwards some remains. Also all the sound-teching and live concert attending has helped. >It is an impressive trait. I love >thata celtic sound. Have you ever heard of Clannad? I think it is a >sound you would really like. I've heard of Clannad, yes, and that their early stuff is more traditional and the later stuff more Enya-like, but don't have any of their stuff yet. I have stuff by Figgy Duff, Rawlins Cross, Tickle Harbour, Great Big Sea, Plankerdown Band, Pamela Morgan, Emile Benoit, Jean Hewson, Seamus Creagh, Irish Descendants, all from Newfoundland, and Altan, Capercaillie, Bothy Band, Tannahill Weavers, Tempest, Boiled in Lead, Relativity, De Dannan, Liz Carroll, Celtic Thunder, John Whelan and Eileen Ivers, La Bottine Souriante, Silly Wizard, Loreena McKennit, Rare Air, Pogues, Weddings Parties Anything, Christy Moore, Luka Bloom, Patrick Street, The Stoaters, Spirit of the West, and more, so lately I haven't been buying much. I eventually want to get some Clannad and some Old Blind Dogs and maybe some Runrig and Wolfstone and Ashley MacIsaac and ... But I don't listen to many of my CDs so will probably sell or give away a bunch one day and keep the moving ones. >> My Ph.D. is in geophysics, specifically computer modelling >> of acoustic scattering by different shapes; it can related to >> seismic prospecting, and involves a lot of math and computer >> work but little practical instrument or field work. > >Ouch. Not as easy as saying "history" is it? I do know a bit about the herstory of the earth, though. :-) >How long should it take >you to accomplilsh this if you decide to go on? If I can motivate myself and decide to finish it, and go into hermit mode and drop most of my social and other activities, then I could get it done by spring, with a good chunk done by Christmas. The main problem is that the thesis is still sort of vague and I don't feel it will contribute anything significant, and if it isn't going to help the world in some way then I find it hard to motivate myself. More than anything it has just been the block that has led me in other directions. Probably I should have switched subfields to something like oceanography or planetology or solar-terrestrial physics when I finished my Masters in Dec87 rather than continuing on in the same area in Jan88. >> But I have wide interests as well, in the environment, >> global structure, solar-terrestrial relations, the sea, >> music, Internet, etc. I think that is what makes you >> smart, having both broad interests and some specialize >> skills. I don't want to get too specialized so will >> have to plan my next move carefully (actually I will >Your interests are so varied you will surely find what you need when the >time is there. All these things could in a roundabout way complementary >to the others. Yes, maybe something will turn up, and the Internet explosion can only help me. But sometimes I feel that I am a jack of many areas and master of none of real use. I can only hope that will make me more versatile in the long run. >> probably just fall into something). There is still >> a chance I won't get my Ph.D. (I am nearing the end >> of my first extension and am bored) but I always have > >Are you bored because you know this stuff or are you bored because it >just isn't interesting? I made a mistake in continuing in the same field as my Master's, when I should have switched to a fresh area. My initial Ph.D. proposal was too broad and vague; I always try to link too many things rather than focussing on a few. The field is old, and there are hundred of relevant papers, whereas in some newer fields there would be only a handful. It took a while to narrow it down, and I guess I am bored mainly because it probably won't produce much if any benefit for science or society, and I could be using my skills to more effect elsewhere. But I guess I just have to look at it as a hurdle, to benefit me (although sometimes I feel that I don't want the Ph.D but would rather remain one of the people, not the elite, and sometimes a Ph.D overqualifies you for many jobs) and just do my best to get through it. But I don't want to give up what social life I have to do it. I know I can do the stuff, but want to get on to something new, and something more challenging but potentially useful, rather than spending time going over pages of dry math and programming stuff that will never be used again outside my thesis. Also I am better at working on several small projects rather than one big long one (although I should be able to break it down), and lately have been better at creative idea generation rather than the nitty gritty grunt work. But I know I will have to do much more grunt work before getting to be a creativity consultant or team leader. Maybe I'll excite myself by, instead of considering scattering from a cylinder, consider an array of standing stones, with a certain type of internal crystal matrix and internal paleomagnetic (magnetic field frozen at the time of crystal cooling) field, and figure out how acoustic, thermal, magnetic, EMF, and internal radioactive decay are interrelated in a tuning fork which when aligned with a similar one elsewhere can provide transport for matter. This would require musical activation, probably with voice and harp. No, my Ph.D committee would not appreciate that, I'll save it for a story. >> I still would like to return to Newfoundland some >> day (or even now, for a while, and am supposed to for >> two years under terms of a grant, if a job is available in >> my field, else I owe them C$30000, although the pay would be >> less there) but would also like to see more of this world >> and see what I can do to help improve it. >Is this kind of a Northern Exposure kind of scenario? For two years, after my four year NSERC scholarship and one year PetroCanada scholarship ran out, I got C$15000 from the Newfoundland Offshore Career Development Awards Program, and a condition was that I return home to work for one year for each year of the award if a job is available. I wouldn't mind that anyway since most of my family and friends are there, plus good music, exciting weather, and good seafood, and more, and my nieces will forget me soon if I don't at least visit [out of seven of us ranging in age from 30 (me) to 44 (poet Mary) there are only two children, Hazel and Ellen, daughters of my sister Anne, who raised me]. But I now have some roots in Vancouver as well, and many friends. Still, some late night outdoor high experiences I had from Jan. 5--9, 1994 in St. John's and Lakeview were better than any I have had in Vancouver yet, except perhaps the Sept91 one, which was more of a rollercoaster/shamanic self-initiation and not really fun. (But it may just have been the time of the year so I am hoping for a late night creative buzz just before the new moon after Christmas or the one after that.) So the Atlantic still has more of a hold on me than the Pacific. Of course, I have yet to visit any Gulf Islands or the west coast of Vancouver Island, to feel the real Pacific, and will have to do that soon. (At a party the other night, I thumbed through a big book of videos and randomly selected one, and it was "westward ho", so maybe I will go westward to the island during Ho-Ho season. :-) ) My friend Steve Mihaly (ex-of the band The Hopping Penguins, great live) lives on a boat in Deep Cove near Sydney on Vancouver Island so maybe I will visit him for some Nova Scotian hospitality over the holidays. Oh, and St. John's is actually south of Vancouver, although further magnetic-north, but is cooler due to the ocean currents. It is still warmer than Ottawa or Edmonton or Winnipeg in the winter, but moister and windier. >I think you will >be fine in the future when you decide that it is that you want to do. >But there is no hurry now, just relax and take it a day at a time until >you are sure, then your decision could only be the right one. Thanks for the encouraging words, but I really have to decide soon either to go for broke and finish it, or give it up and try to find some Internet or science consulting type job and do some writing on the side. But I haven't really been looking at the job market for years, and have never worked outside of summer jobs, so I had better get my rear in gear soon. This Friday at 1:30 p.m. I have a Ph.D. committe meeting with my supervisor and three other profs, and have to report to them my progress since February, and my timeline to completion. Up until the summer solstice I made good progress but since then have been sidetracked, although since the fall equinox have been making slow progress. So this week I have to go into hermit mode and get some work done, and prepare a presentation. If they like it, they will recommend to the dean that I get a second extension. If I don't get that then I have to be done all the work and have a thesis draft to the dean's office by the end of December (and have my final public oral by the end of January or so). But it looks likely that I will get an extension to the end of April, maybe the end of August, or maybe to the end of next December. I would rather not have it drag on while I build up a student loan, now at around C$17000, though, so will have to make that decision as soon as I have some time for soul-searching. Sorry this was so long, and thanks again for the support; David Message fte:194 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 0:28:42 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: The Musils In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:194 Subject: Re: Good enough for me Hi Gina; (Here's a quick reply, I may write again after Friday.) You wrote: >Well, this just isn't something that I have ever been into, just music in >my soul. Maybe if I would learn more about it I would feel even more >impressed by music. You think? Not necessarily. Sometimes when you learn more about something you get to appreciate the details more, and the artistry, but may fail to get the overall emotional content. I too am more impressed by music that resonates in my soul, not by cold technical prowess. Sarah McLachlan could throw in lots more bells and whistles, but that wouldn't make her any better, it's her voice that moves me the most, like one from a dream, (and I doubt my mother sounded like her). It wouldn't improve matters for me to say "wow, she just spanned 4.5 octaves and has a 0.2 second delay with layered reverb" or anything like that, although I hope it wouldn't hurt the appreciation either. In fact I would like to someday do some signal analysis on my favourite voices to see if they have something in common; I suspect it is related to how natural they sound, how the sound fits in with the sounds of nature, the whales, the loons, etc., rather than just acting as classical, mathematical constructs. (e.g., I heard Tori Amos on the CBC on the weekend, and liked her a fair bit, but found her voice wasn't as good for me as Sarah's, was maybe a bit too classical and a bit too much towards Kate Bush's voice. But it was AM. Anyway, I digress. >I love Loreena McKinnett. Everyone else I haven't even heard of. Just >shameful, eh? I think the best place to start with Clannad is with an >album called Past/Present. See what you think. Great, I'll give it a try sometime in the Future. If you like Clannad, check out the Figgy Duff Weather Out the Storm album and the more traditional After the Tempest (which is my favourite by them). The first album, Figgy Duff, is also traditional, and the last, Downstream is sort of celtic tinged soft pop with some mystical lyrics, and isn't as celtic, but still showcases my brother John's friend Pamela Morgan's beautiful smoky voice; she is one of my favourite voices (and I cooked supper for her when I was 18), along with Sarah and my friend Tammy Fassaert and a few others who can melt/fire me. Pamela will release a solo album soon, with a gypsy fiddler friend and others. You would also like Capercaillie, not their new release but maybe Sidewaulk and Get Out and Secret People and Delirium; Karen Matheson has a good voice. Also Altan's Island Angel and Harvest Storm and others are great, with the beautiful voice of Mairead ni Maoghanoigh (sp?). Rawlins Cross is like a Maritimes pub rock band with bagpipes, accordions, etc., good lyrics, much celtic and some reggae/blues/etc, the best album to get would be Reel and Roll. Enough for now. Oh, and I should go to hear Loreena McKennit on Dec. 8, if I switch my yoga to the Tuesday morning and if I get around to picking up a ticket(s). I like her a lot, which is surprising since I have never heard her live, and a live concert is what usually determines whether an artist has it for me. But I still like Sarah's voice and deep personal, emotional opening on CD better, whereas Loreena's stuff is more contemplative, mystic resonance with the ancients, traces of today, but Sarah's stuff is more alive for today, more from within, less derived from study of the ancients. But I have gotten powerful feelings from Loreena's stuff too, and will have to think about the difference some more. (Vive la difference.) (Plus on Dec. 9 I am supposed to do sound at the grad centre (may train a volunteer to replace me), and Ron Hynes, one of my very favourite songwriters, is opening for Kashtin downtown, and Nightnoise, anothing celtic band worth checking out, is playing elsewhere. Choices, choices.) >> ... Probably I should have switched >> subfields to something like oceanography or planetology >> or solar-terrestrial physics when I finished my Masters in >> Dec87 rather than continuing on in the same area in Jan88. >Which way are you leaning. Is it something you think you will do? I would like to do something in Earth Systems Science, or the earth as an integrated system, so the above would all be related. But more practically I will have to focus on one, and it depends on what opportunities open up. I would lean towards solar-terrestrial physics and how that may be connected to the icecaps and core of the earth, through the ionosphere and aurora. But I could end up doing something different, such as exploiting my internet knowledge and skills, or applying geophysical signal processing ideas to music. In any case there would have to be an intermediate career stage that would allow me to bridge the gap, and learn. >> Yes, maybe something will turn up, and the Internet explosion >> can only help me. But sometimes I feel that I am a jack >> of many areas and master of none of real use. I can only >> hope that will make me more versatile in the long run. >I have felt this before but not nearly with the knowledge that you have. >I don't think you could go wrong in anything. Thanks for the encouragement, and I guess I will be able to sell myself somehow, despite not having done it for years. (But in the past I did write some good scholarship applications and get through some tough interviews, and my people skills are better now.) >> many jobs) and just do my best to get through it. But I >> don't want to give up what social life I have to do it. >You would only be giving up your life for awhile. After that what would >you gain, is really what you need to look at. :) Yes, I need to do some mid-range and long-range planning and goal/value soul-searching, and see if I really want to get the degree, and if so just finish it. I know I can work much more efficiently than I have been, and wouldn't have to give up all my social activities, just give them all up for a week or two until the work and sleep schedule is very solid, then pick up the most favourite activities but not all of them. >It sounds as if you are working somewhat successfully on a decision. Yes, but often I can conceptualize something in my head or even on the net and not really apply it, as in I have given others advice on resetting their body clock yet mine is still pretty out of whack, during the winter. But I think after this Friday meeting I will sit down and consider my options more carefully, and even start scanning job ads in the scientific journals and other places. >> Maybe I'll excite myself by, instead of considering scattering >> from a cylinder, consider an array of standing stones, with >> a certain type of internal crystal matrix and internal >> paleomagnetic (magnetic field frozen at the time of crystal >> cooling) field, and figure out how acoustic, thermal, magnetic, >> EMF, and internal radioactive decay are interrelated in >> a tuning fork which when aligned with a similar one elsewhere >> can provide transport for matter. This would require musical >> activation, probably with voice and harp. No, my Ph.D committee >> would not appreciate that, I'll save it for a story. > >Sometimes I feel you are way beyond my brain. I guess I will have to >read the book. :) Oh, that was a joke, I was doodling again, although I do have some interests in the physics and geometry of megaliths and their placement with respect to magnetic or other field lines, but I don't believe much of the new age stuff that has been written (some, maybe). >> For two years, after my four year NSERC scholarship and one >> year PetroCanada scholarship ran out, I got C$15000 from the >> Newfoundland Offshore Career Development Awards Program, >> and a condition was that I return home to work for one >> year for each year of the award if a job is available. >> I wouldn't mind that anyway since most of my family and >> friends are there, plus good music, exciting weather, ... > >So it isn't something that you really mind, is it? No, not really. In fact, up until a couple of years ago I was definitely planning to return, and now I could handle either Newfoundland or Vancouver or perhaps some other coastal location that isn't too hot or humid and has good music. But I do want to return for a while after I finish even if it is just a few months in between jobs. If there are no jobs in my field in Newfoundland then I won't have to pay back the $30000. But I would like to do something to help Newfoundland, and thus may lean towards sea related topics. > >> Still, some late night outdoor high experiences I had from >> Jan. 5--9, 1994 in St. John's and Lakeview were better than any >> I have had in Vancouver yet, except perhaps the Sept91 one, which >> was more of a rollercoaster/shamanic self-initiation and not really >> fun. (But it may just have been the time of the year so I >> am hoping for a late night creative buzz just before the new moon >> after Christmas or the one after that.) So the Atlantic still has >> more of a hold on me than the Pacific. >My grandfathers family is from the East Canadian coast so I am with you >on this one. I guess ties are there so so is the heart. Wow! Atlanticans everywhere! Which province, or do you know? I should also say that the reason my Newfoundland experience last January was so nice may have been that my computer access and most of my books were in Vancouver so I just relaxed and enjoyed it, whereas when I have gone creative/mystic here I often spend time on the computer and jotting down ideas at home, not out walking after midnight enjoying the great outdoors as I did in Newfoundland. (Actually the weather was horrible a couple of the nights but I had an inner flame.) >> This Friday at 1:30 p.m. I have a Ph.D. committe meeting ... >Let me know how this goes. I will, although I won't know about the extension until my supervisor goes to talk to the dean, probably next week. In any case I will keep in touch. >> Sorry this was so long, and >> thanks again for the support; >You never have to be sorry for this. I am sorry that I don't understand >more to be more comfort to you. It really seems that you need a shoulder >and if you ever need to talk/write, you just do it. I am always there/here. Thanks a lot, I appreciate your support. I also have my online pendulum support group, but I have signed off there until Saturday, and usually offer support there more often than ask for it, and wouldn't usually talk about such things as career and goal matters (but perhaps I should). My officemate Guy Cross (he is just finishing a thesis on geophysics applied to archaeology) and my supervisor and some others are also quite supportive, but I tend to open up more on the net than in person. I probably won't be able to e-mail again until Saturday so if you reply don't get worried if you don't hear from me for a few days. I have to go hear Rose Chronicles and Spirit of the West early Friday evening, then run a concert/celtic session/open mic Friday night, so probably won't be on until late Saturday or early Sunday. If you send me any messages I will save the reply for then, since I tend to be so long-winded. Thanks, and e-Hugs, David P.S. It feels funny to be getting support on the net when usually I give it, in my "wounded surgeon" (T S Eliot) mode. But it feels good --- still, don't hesitate to dump your problems on me again, after Friday though. Message fte:195 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:39:33 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:195 Subject: spelling of M(a)cLa(u)[cg]hl[ia]n Here is one more article, from soc.culture.celtic (I am still not back on the list, will rejoin late Friday afternoon.) ------------------- Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,alt.scottish.clans From: Danny@dannymcl.demon.co.uk (Danny McLaughlin) Subject: Re: McLachlan info wanted Reply-To: Danny@dannymcl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:00:33 +0000 SOME INTERESTING/USELESS INFORMATION I am a McLaughlin which is the common spelling of the name in Derry/Donegal In the south they spell it McLoughlin. These are both apparent Anglicisations from the Gaelic Mac Lochlainn. I believe the name means something like the Scandinavians - can't find my references on this at present. McLaughlin seems to be one of those names that causes lots of people spelling problems. A few years ago before its abolition, the Greater London Council's Police Committee produced a report about Police and Computers and checks on the public by officers on the street. McLaughlin was used as an example of the problems an officer might have in correctly spelling a name over the radio in order to do an effective identity check. As an example, the London Residential Phone Book includes the following variations all of which appear to be or could be derivations:- McCaughan, McCaughin, McCloughlin, McGlaughlan. McGlaughlin, McGlouchlin, McGloughlin, Macklin (Charles Macklin, a Victorian actor changed his name from McLaughlin), McLachlan, MacLachlan, McLacklin, McLauchlan, McLaughin, McLaughlan, McLaughlin, MacLaughlin, MacLauglan, McLauglin, McLoughin, McLoughlan, McLoughlin, MacLoughlin. Hoe this is helpful. -- Danny McLaughlin Tel +44 171-238 5268 15a John Fisher St FAX +44 171 238 5266 London E1 8HA U?K EMail danny@dannymcl.demon.co.uk Message fte:196 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:50:33 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:196 Subject: I'm back + ice, creamed Hi all; I have rejoined the list, but won't read/reply anything until after my Ph. D. meeting in 103 minutes. (After that I will be able to stop saying "I can't come out tonight" and party a little tiny bit.) I will also report on how the carrageen in ice cream affects binding, and procedures for sticky stain removal for ice cream spills. (maybe) :-) David Message fte:197 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:45:22 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199411182028.AA12172@pure> Message-ID: fte:197 Subject: I sCreamed after my meeting Hi all; My meeting went well so it looks as though I won't get booted out but will get an extension to the end of June, although I won't know for sure until next week. So I avoid having to get a job for a little while longer and will continue to plague you with messages from this site. Regarding ice cream, we all know it can be very messy and sticky if allowed to melt. It contains sweet things, milk products, gum, and lots of other things, most notably carrageenan, which is an extract of carrageen (or carragheen), also known as Irish moss, a red (one dictionary said purple) seaweed which is named for Carragheen, Ireland. One book said that the carrageenan extract is gluey with a seaweed smell and a salty taste. (But one I looked at on health effects said that too much might be bad for a fetus.) Last night I bought some green tea Italian gelati ice cream and was going to do a poem based on the ingredients but am not creative today and must go hear Rose Chronicles and Spirit of the West for free shortly. (Oh, and Irish moss reminds me of Aunty Moss in Leguin's Tehanu, plus, separately, what the ancients used for body insulation, or maybe to wipe their mass, or maybe to carry a bit of home with them. This last is from hearing about that frozen guy who was found in Europe in the last year. How's that for a ramble.) Also here is a reply to ; my e-mail bounced >Hi Piaw; > >you wrote: > >>So is it Congratulations, Dr. Dalton? > >No such luck, this was just a progress report meeting, >not the final one. They needed to hold one before my >supervisor could go to the dean for a second extension. >But it went well, and it looks like I will get my >extension to the end of June. I won't know for sure >until late Tuesday (and won't get official word until >I get the letter a week or so later), but things look >up. So it is congratulations, Mr. Dalton for now. > >David DRD Message fte:198 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 3:26:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:198 Subject: Rose Chronicles vs SMcL, two rivers, bramblings Any more reviews from Europe? And right now I have only the three albums, if I was to buy one more SMcL recording which would you suggest? The viLe one? The new ungulped one? Or one of the seedy singles (bars)? Actually I'll probably spend my money on (under the) influences (volcano) (of SMcL) mentioned in old threads clogging my fte mailbox folder, or perhaps some new threads. I heard Rose Chronicles earlier and was rather disappointed; they seemed bored and bored me, or at least rarely surprised me which is unusual since I had never heard them before, even a recording. But to give them the benefit of the doubt, it was early, the sound quality was gymnasium quality, and I couldn't make out a single lyric for most of the songs except a few when I stood next to the sound stage (which was elevated slightly so the sound was probably better on it; I guess the techs didn't bother to cruise through the crowd to check out the sound). So the voice was reduced to just another musical instrument, not a bad one, but not like Sarah as some have told me. Sure, Kirsty can make _some_ of the same sounds, but cannot sing as well, cannot make the words/sounds take on emotive life of their own. But again, it was an early free show (they had hoped to get 3000 people for a meeting quorum, but ended up with less than half, even for a free show on a 30000 student campus, with RC and Spirit of the West), there sure wasn't much (student) spirit in the west today. Also often the opening act is given poorer sound since they don't get as good a sound check. So I will check them out again in some cozy nightclub, to give them one more chance. I wasn't impressed today though, except by the drummer occasionally, not by the bass player, and not by some of the synth backbeat they added to the live stuff. I expected waves of sound, sure, but not unconnected doodles and monotonous unexperimental backbeat. The only time they moved me was when I laughed. They sure didn't live up to my rose chronicle. But I will give them one more chance. I didn't stick around for Spirit of the West, had to do sound for David Kootnikoff (great songs about Davis Inlet, tree planting, all day eggs, etc), Shannon Crooks [her finger?] (one of those great crystal clear but rolling and pub-ish voices, attitude, just moved here from Winnipeg, on Irish, Scottish, Nova Scotia, etc tunes), an open mic spot from Ship of Fools, and an Irish session to end the night. So I'm tired tonight, especially cause in the pub it was so crowded that the stage space was small, speaker separation was small, and I had to crank up the volume, and Shannon's guitarist Tara (river number two) had no pickup and had a funny resonance on the guitar that resulted in much ringing. So I was frazzled for a while but it all sorted itself out in the end, with a great rendition of Farewell to Nova Scotia, with 1.5 guitars, whistle/uillean pipes, lead vocals, two backing vocals, and audience participation. I'll be glad next term when we move back up to the renovated 250 capacity lounge with fireplace and ample stage area and time for sound check, plus I was just told we have money left in the budget, so to buy 3 more mics (we used to have five but two got ripped off when I wasn't there) and a snake, which will mean that I won't have to be bobbing up and down to check the sound so much. But, ideally, I would train some other volunteers to do it and then just act as volunteer booker/host/beer provider. Sorry for rambling, I had some time to kill while waiting for the bus, but have since outlasted several. And hey, it's snowing in Vancouver in November, for the first time, I think, since 1985, the year I arrived, when there was a long cold spell in November. Hmmm 9 years, what a surprise, 9 years, stuck in bars... good (enough) night, time to go out and play in the snow DRD 3:19 a.m. PST (winding down, and hope that 3:42 bus is not snow bound) Message fte:199 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 1:32:48 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <199411220111.RAA23312@jupiter.calstatela.edu> Message-ID: fte:199 Subject: etC. + H.I. (re-Handling Intros) Ali wrote: >Starting on December 1, let's have all the people whose names start with 'A' >post their intros. On December 2, 'B's can post and so on until everyone is >covered. Because of the volume of the intros, I have only skimmed most of >them. This way we can take our time reading and writing them (those who >don't like them, can delete them). Or: 1. they could be put in a special directory or file in the archives, that you could look at later, or even on a WWW site with a picture for those with access to a scanner who want to come out. 2. people could post the intro a day or two before their birthday each year 3. people can put a short intro at the tail end of a post, and say e-mail me or finger my id if you want more detail. On Sunday I made up for the Rose Chronicles concert by catching Connie Kaldor in a matinee and Shannon Moore, star of the banned Deep Julia, in a late show. Kaldor is a power folkie, don't miss her live, I was impressed to tears and laughter more than by almost anyone; and Moore is an exLA rocker who warmed my ears and more x (Shannon Moore, sure can roar, fire and lore...) although I liked her better solo, she still has to work on the arrangements a bit, but will give her a gig after Xmas. Oh hey, I just realized that Shannon Moore and Sarah McLachlan have the same initials. Uh oh. Now I have to think of a third singer with the same initials. Any ideas. At least it isn't Shanna Moore, names ending in a vowel were seemingly more frequent lately. But of course her band is named Deep Julia, 20,000 leagues under the skin. (Anyway, that means I can't use SM or S&M in association with either of them in this post which contains a mention of both.) But my SMcL point, if any, is that these and other powerful voices and their cunning lingo, plus SMcL's long absence, mean that SMcL is now more in the background, or my love for her music is now in a fallow, less activated state until the seed/flower of her voice and words at the next live show. Actually that's not really true, there are always CDs. Really it is just that I am a sucker for all good voices, many but not all women, maybe because few men can really let it all hang out, except in the locker room. :-) I would probably check out the ecto-list if I had any money to buy more CDs with. But I'll probably spend some money on the Loreena McKennitt and Ron Hynes (with Kashtin closing) concerts. "Feel the music, deep inside, race off through the dark of moon, waves of fire urge you on, send your soul to dance with all" (that's pseudo-McKennitt) and Sarah lives on a farm, in a place by the sea, she can kick off her boots, and write new tunes for thee [pseudo Ron Hynes] Early morning, navigator; up to no good, instigator; far away, in way out places, [sing the joy, to all the faces] still, in the end, alone [mostly Ron Hynes, he hasn't released it yet, along with the title track from the movie Secret Nation, so I forget the lyrics] rushing wind like a runaway train; subway screaming a wild refrain; lonely child on a city street; weary face at our window seat; it's been waiting there for so long; waiting for love to come home; but love's not a going concern; down the river of no return [Ron Hynes] dd -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:200 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:29:33 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:200 Subject: occupational fumbling Hi all; Sorry about that last post, it was getting a bit juvenile/bizarre. Granted, occasionally a gem is fertilized by such fumbling starting material, but not yesterday, it was just groping in the dark. I think my bad typing habits are catching up with me, I may have mild tendonitis in the right wrist and forearm, or a related problem, but probably not carpal tunnel. I will go get it checked out shortly, and will then start to change my keyboard ways. But I will stay on the list, and lurk/read, and perhaps post an occasional brief (and hopefully not too weird) reply. I will also reply to any personal e-mail, and may get wordy again after I get help from the doctors, physiotherapist, my yoga teacher, and the sci.med.occupational FAQ advice. Also salt intake causes fluid retention which aggrevates such problems so I may reduce my salt intake slightly. For those who read my earlier posts, my supervisor met with the dean, and they decided my plan of action was good enough, and the dean is giving me a full year extension to the end of 1995, but I am not supposed to use it all, but instead finish writing by May 1 as I outlined. The extra time is just for breathing room. But anyway, from now on I will have to be strong and silent, or short and sweet (or thick). th-->s D avid Message fte:201 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:01:41 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9411302316.AA02034@artwork4.cray.com> Message-ID: fte:201 Subject: MisSing MaSs (was Re: Peter Gabriel...) Kevin wrote: K> On Wed Nov 30 14:18 CST 1994 David wrote: K> D> I have heard before, on FTE, that ... Gabriel K> D> is one of Sarah's musical influences. For those of you K> D> who are familiar with both PG and SM, which PG album would K> D> you recommend that I try first? K> I recall a couple of months ago a discussion was started here K> (actually by me) about PG's album "Passion". The whole thing K> got started when I mentioned that Sarah had been quoted in Rolling K> Stone mag saying she thought this album was "great to make love to." How do you make love to an album? :-) (press random play, with sticky thumbs) Oh, that reminds me, here's a riddle: How is Sarah's music like an onion? K> It helps to be in a certain mood though, if you know K> what I mean. No, I'm more often in an uncertain mood. :-) K> At times the CD reminds me of Dead Can Dance. K> Certainly no blasphemy intended. But it definately has a theatrical K> sound to it. Good for late nite listening with the lights down low K> and headphones. and by candlelight, I guess, or perhaps earthlight this week, (new moon, light scattered sun--earth--dark side of the moon--earth) which I guess is like womblight or incubator blue light (love in vain). K> As for other PG albums I'm afraid I can't help much. I remember he K> put an album out a few years back called "So" that I heard a few K> times and thought was pretty good. It got rave reviews also. But K> anyway, I'll quit blabbering and let others who are better schooled K> on Mr.Gabriel steer you in the right direction. Well, passion and S.O.'s go hand in hand, or they should. Also, regarding So, I was thinking about the initials SM in physical terms late one night, and how if SM was a universal constant the missing mass problem would be alleviated. i.e., as entropy increases, mass decreases, although probably not as simply as S/So=Mo/M. But that would be sacrilege. :-) S.O.S., Mommmmmmmmmmmmmm I also got some recommendations for the allbum So on the pendulum list, here are SoMe snippets from there: Joy Ikelman wrote: J> Peter Gabriel "came out" about his manic depression back in the J> mid-80s, I think, right around the time he put on SO (the album). J> On this album you will find a song, Mercy Street, dedicated to J> famous bipolar Anne Sexton, who committed suicide, and also my J> favorite of all Peter Gabriel songs, "Don't Give Up." The song J> makes me weep. J> There are those on Pendulum that claim that Gabriel's music J> "describes" (musically) their manic phases so well! And that J> when they found out that he was bipolar like they were, well, J> it just blew them away. Robin Moore wrote: R> "Some background info on _So_: From what I've read, most of the R> album was written & recorded during an 18 month period where R> Peter & his wife (and 2 daughters) were separated, so a lot of R> the emotional swings have a great deal to do with having that R> going on in his life. After going through a fair amount of R> marriage counseling, they eventually got back together R> some time in early/mid 1986, but eventually split up for good R> sometime in 1988. R> "I think it was during this latter part of the marriage that he R> ended up getting into psychotherapy in a big way (I think both R> group & individual sessions, as a matter of fact), and kept up R> with it until some time in 1992 or so. As a result of all this R> psychological work, he's probably one of the few well-known R> people who will publicly expound on the virtues of therapy (which R> is *especially* unusual in the UK--proper Brits still don't R> believe in all that much, you know...); even before this, I can R> recall reading a couple of interviews where the subject of mental R> illness has come up--he's been fascinated with the topic for a R> number of years (for example, "Lead a Normal Life" on PG3 is R> about a mental inpatient, although, contrary to popular belief, R> it doesn't seem that he's ever been one himself), and that R> desperate sense of teetering on the edge of madness pops up VERY R> frequently in his writings (and, IMHO, is one of the aspects that R> gives his work the power it has to move people--he seems capable R> of this perhaps more so than any other single musician I can R> think of). R> "I haven't seen any interviews where he 'fesses up to actually R> being bipolar, but I do recall several other where he discusses R> various aspects of his personality (one bit involved having 3 R> basic components to it--the outwardly cheerful, extroverted, R> hammy part; the more introverted, darker, perhaps nastier part; R> and the shy, scared little boy); coming to terms with the more R> negative aspects of his character (which is what "Digging in the R> Dirt" on _Us_ is all about--he's addressing *himself* in the R> song, not a third party); and trying to come to terms with R> himself in such a way that *he* controls his emotions and not the R> reverse. A great deal of this psychological archeology (if you R> will) shows up on _Us_, which also deals with the aftermath of R> both his marriage & his relationship with Rosanna Arquette R> falling apart, although there are similar themes that pop up all R> through his career in his music." Susan Loggiodice wrote: S> "There's an interview with PG from a Prodigy session in his www S> site that has that reference to him dealing with his condition S> (http://www.acns.nwu.edu/music/gabriel/interview.vox) (this www site seems to be down right now) I'll try to keep the PG talk to a minimum from now on and get back to fumbling, and papall dirt, etc., as we all move towards the season of totem fir trees in our living rooms. Make it a live one this year, so the silver branch doesn't turn crackling brown. David, in late afternoon mode Message fte:202 - Read Delivery-date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 19:42:34 UTC-0800 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Wed Nov 30 18:13:27 1994" Send-date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:01:00 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9411302316.AA02034@artwork4.cray.com> Message-ID: fte:202 Subject: MisSing MaSs (was Re: Peter Gabriel...) >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 3019 Kevin wrote: K> On Wed Nov 30 14:18 CST 1994 David wrote: K> D> I have heard before, on FTE, that ... Gabriel K> D> is one of Sarah's musical influences. For those of you K> D> who are familiar with both PG and SM, which PG album would K> D> you recommend that I try first? K> I recall a couple of months ago a discussion was started here K> (actually by me) about PG's album "Passion". The whole thing K> got started when I mentioned that Sarah had been quoted in Rolling K> Stone mag saying she thought this album was "great to make love to." How do you make love to an album? :-) (press random play, with sticky thumbs) Oh, that reminds me, here's a riddle: How is Sarah's music like an onion? K> It helps to be in a certain mood though, if you know K> what I mean. No, I'm more often in an uncertain mood. :-) K> At times the CD reminds me of Dead Can Dance. K> Certainly no blasphemy intended. But it definately has a theatrical K> sound to it. Good for late nite listening with the lights down low K> and headphones. and by candlelight, I guess, or perhaps earthlight this week, (new moon, light scattered sun--earth--dark side of the moon--earth) which I guess is like womblight or incubator blue light (love in vain). K> As for other PG albums I'm afraid I can't help much. I remember he K> put an album out a few years back called "So" that I heard a few K> times and thought was pretty good. It got rave reviews also. But K> anyway, I'll quit blabbering and let others who are better schooled K> on Mr.Gabriel steer you in the right direction. Well, passion and S.O.'s go hand in hand, or they should. Also, regarding So, I was thinking about the initials SM in physical terms late one night, and how if SM was a universal constant the missing mass problem would be alleviated. i.e., as entropy increases, mass decreases, although probably not as simply as S/So=Mo/M. But that would be sacrilege. :-) S.O.S., Mommmmmmmmmmmmmm I also got some recommendations for the allbum So on the pendulum list, here are SoMe snippets from there: Joy Ikelman wrote: J> Peter Gabriel "came out" about his manic depression back in the J> mid-80s, I think, right around the time he put on SO (the album). J> On this album you will find a song, Mercy Street, dedicated to J> famous bipolar Anne Sexton, who committed suicide, and also my J> favorite of all Peter Gabriel songs, "Don't Give Up." The song J> makes me weep. J> There are those on Pendulum that claim that Gabriel's music J> "describes" (musically) their manic phases so well! And that J> when they found out that he was bipolar like they were, well, J> it just blew them away. Robin Moore wrote: R> "Some background info on _So_: From what I've read, most of the R> album was written & recorded during an 18 month period where R> Peter & his wife (and 2 daughters) were separated, so a lot of R> the emotional swings have a great deal to do with having that R> going on in his life. After going through a fair amount of R> marriage counseling, they eventually got back together R> some time in early/mid 1986, but eventually split up for good R> sometime in 1988. R> "I think it was during this latter part of the marriage that he R> ended up getting into psychotherapy in a big way (I think both R> group & individual sessions, as a matter of fact), and kept up R> with it until some time in 1992 or so. As a result of all this R> psychological work, he's probably one of the few well-known R> people who will publicly expound on the virtues of therapy (which R> is *especially* unusual in the UK--proper Brits still don't R> believe in all that much, you know...); even before this, I can R> recall reading a couple of interviews where the subject of mental R> illness has come up--he's been fascinated with the topic for a R> number of years (for example, "Lead a Normal Life" on PG3 is R> about a mental inpatient, although, contrary to popular belief, R> it doesn't seem that he's ever been one himself), and that R> desperate sense of teetering on the edge of madness pops up VERY R> frequently in his writings (and, IMHO, is one of the aspects that R> gives his work the power it has to move people--he seems capable R> of this perhaps more so than any other single musician I can R> think of). R> "I haven't seen any interviews where he 'fesses up to actually R> being bipolar, but I do recall several other where he discusses R> various aspects of his personality (one bit involved having 3 R> basic components to it--the outwardly cheerful, extroverted, R> hammy part; the more introverted, darker, perhaps nastier part; R> and the shy, scared little boy); coming to terms with the more R> negative aspects of his character (which is what "Digging in the R> Dirt" on _Us_ is all about--he's addressing *himself* in the R> song, not a third party); and trying to come to terms with R> himself in such a way that *he* controls his emotions and not the R> reverse. A great deal of this psychological archeology (if you R> will) shows up on _Us_, which also deals with the aftermath of R> both his marriage & his relationship with Rosanna Arquette R> falling apart, although there are similar themes that pop up all R> through his career in his music." Susan Loggiodice wrote: S> "There's an interview with PG from a Prodigy session in his www S> site that has that reference to him dealing with his condition S> (http://www.acns.nwu.edu/music/gabriel/interview.vox) (this www site seems to be down right now) I'll try to keep the PG talk to a minimum from now on and get back to fumbling, and papall dirt, etc., as we all move towards the season of totem fir trees in our living rooms. Make it a live one this year, so the silver branch doesn't turn crackling brown. David, in late afternoon mode Message fte:203 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:35:40 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HKKJPDWSBM005QA0@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:203 Subject: nozone, no t! [was Re: I speak of a great many things... :)] John wrote: >Dalton sez: (John wrote) >>>And with that unique paranoia that Amiga users develop, >> Now this is what prompted me to reply. This reminds me >> of the recent "land use" debate in BC, words which, like >> "this point in time" and "in my own personal opinion" >> get me incensed (what's your favourite incense?). >> After all, life is a gaiAm, and users of all sorts >> should rightly expect fear. Toujours gai, mon petit chou! >I must be tired; I can't make much sense of what you said. Great, I'm glad you made some sense of my nonsense. I guess I will have to issue or disclaimers more frequently, for the benefit of new members at least. >At this point in >time, it is my own personal opinion that... no! Don't hit me! >I just plain old didn't get that paragraph. I should have, but didn't. I wasn't incensed at you, the words moved me again. "In my own personal humble opinion I think that" and other such constructions are redundancies. "At this point in time" can be replaced by "now", indeed I feel that physically there is no such thing as a point in time but rather a fuzzy window. We are of the land, we do not use the land, but form part of a system with the land, or may become redundant, hence the fear and paranoia, amigo. The gaiAm is an anagram of Amiga, and could mean happy being. The french means something like "don't worry, be happy, duck". When words incense me for little concious reason, I follow the incense trail. I don't care if you don't get all of my puns/etc, I don't fully "get" some of them myself, some are half-finished seeds, but most should have at least one good chuckle, at least at my weirdness. But you can always delete from=dalton posts to avoid them. Usually I try to put such stuff at the end of serious posts but this time was prompted to dash off a hasty reply by the "amiga users paranoia". Oh, wait, is amiga the female form of amigo? Oh, and one final thing: on the weekend, the night after Ron Hynes lifted my soul and Kashtin's bass drum gave me the thumbs-up (on my right thumb); Babe Gurr, Tammy Fassaert, Valdy, Shari Ulrich and more impressed, and The Blue Shadows sang "i've told you NO a thousand times". So the nitrogen-oxygen system I mentioned earlier may involve a long Chain. Guess I'll have to listen to Fleetwood Mac again. But love is like ozone, isn't it? David (no t!) Message fte:204 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 22:36:11 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:204 Subject: SWF solar-semifrivolity, SGT... Does/did Sarah have the list subscription address on her concert program like Loreena does? We haven't had a peep out of Europe (reviews/etc) for quite a while. But I guess if the address was on the program and the seed ease and seedy Rom then the list would rapidly inflate and fragment into fumbling, towards, ecstasy and info. Single Gun Theory lovers may want to check out the very bad review of them in aus.music recently. It sounded like a venue problem to me. It would be good if there was just a single gun. Now how is that related to SWF, flares, and birth control? Lets convert our guns to snuggles, for shelter from the helter skelter song sung blue. (sarong sung blue in Saratoga by Saracens wrapped in saran, who thus risked getting a HI five.) On the daily solar report and forecast, there is a sunspot number of >80 and a *SWF warning, with a possibility of M class flares in the next while. I had to chuckle about the "SWF" acronym, but will try to take the warning to heart, especially if the activity is strong in a week to 11 days from now. In any case, I will try to avoid posting any truly weird stuff just before new year --- if I do just delete them or embarrass me with them in 95. Also my chef brother will be here to keep me in line and well fed for Christmas but not for New Year's, guess I'll have to try that vegetarian hagease, or invent some for the tart An, who hugs many. David Message fte:205 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:26:11 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199412150137.AA14565@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: fte:205 Subject: Re: What would I say? Byan wrote >Anybody here know how fast she can draw? she's faster than a Dalton brother (she gets me every time, at least when I'm alive) David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth Science pre-doctor ---- -- -- and UBC grad centre volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:206 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:55:43 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:206 Subject: Re: Record: John's longest massage yet John Shepard wrote: >Dalton and others have expressed a little dislike for the recent nature >of list traffic. No, just that I (and others) should probably avoid getting too personal and prying with Sarah on the list or going over and over the same old threads. But while sexual harassment is a no-no, a little teasing amongst us and play with the lyrics is fine by me. But serious talk about SM's X-files (mixed up sexlife) is not really appropriate. >Specifically (I don't have the message right here to >quote from) something about we know more about Dalton than his friends >do, No, that was separate from the plea to give the artist more room and was not a complaint about you, more about myself, and a statement that I would try not to trouble you as much with my personal details but probably will still hit you with lots of wordplay and the like. >Still, I don't think we need to fix the list. Sure, we can cut down on >foul language Why, when Sarah herself uses such language in interviews and songs and the like? And why is it foul? In an earlier post I twisted "no ware" (or "no where?") in Trust to "no swear" which given the current trends could also be "nose wear". But the word "fuck" should not be a bad word. Labelling words "bad" leads to guilt trips, to the Vatican. >This list has a >character, and while I'm sure Dalton and others didn't mean anything >major, No, I try to avoid Major Danger, fumes and the like, and stick to mining for lots of salt. >Someone (Sushi Deerskins?) saw Sarah at Chicago in August... I tried to >go to that one, but encountered a few problems (anyone want to buy a >grandmother?) not the least of which was dealing with TicketBastard. When >we spoke to the folks at Karma Records here in Columbus Indiana, we got a >range of responses from "It's sold out" to "Sarah McLachlan is a slut, But just wait, the solstice approaches, Kali's time is is near an end, and the serpent goddess will reign!!! :-) (Hey, what chinese astrology sign is sarah? I'm an atypical draggin'.) DEFINE medusa DEFINITION 0 Me-du-sa n., pl. -sas or -sae 1. Gk. Myth. One of the three Gorgons. 2. medusa. The tentacled, usually bell-shaped, free-swimming sexual stage in the life cycle of a coelenterate of the class Scyphozoa or Hydrozoa.[Lat. How long have you people known about the trip to the Vatican? How long >have you known about Taco Bell? Is there more to the Taco Bell jokes than >I'm aware of? Am I to understand you guys beat the TB thing into the >ground before I got here, or am I the one who beat it into the ground? No, just the libertine belle. > Q. How many obsessed Sarah McLachlan fans does it take to change a light >bulb? > A. None. I like the dark. I thought they basked in her glow (undersea phosphorescence). (or is that underwear phosphorescence, tour) > Q. What did the Trekker say to the obsessed Sarah fan? > A. "Get a life!" Go where no fan has gone before, trek to the north pole and stay there, drinking Corona until you chill out, unfold and dance the fandango. (Actually maybe that is the south Sandwich Islands, not the north pole.) ---that was intentionally obscure, but related to Ariadne's rod DavidD Message fte:207 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 2:30:59 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:207 Subject: stratwarm alert I just checked the geomag daily report (finger daily@xi.uleth.ca) to get: Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be very low. The geomagnetic field has been mostly unsettled. A stratwarm alert exists, warming over the northeastern and central siberia spreading northeastwards. NOTE: Intense stratospheric warming exists over central Siberia and is spreading northeastwards. Temperature has increased 40 degrees Celsius at 10 HPA since last week. A strong polar vortex exists over the Siberian arctic. The coldest region is shifted southwards to Scandinavia. Stratospheric warming is related to enhanced D-layer ionospheric absorption over the middle latitudes and may affect transionospheric radio communications. Upper-middle latitude paths that cross near the regions of intense stratospheric warming (and are daylit) may experience enhanced ionospheric D-layer absorption and partial reflections. Near-normal propagation is expected over the next 72 hours, through 01 January 1995 inclusive. (The reason I posted, was that a stratwarm reminded me of a guitar warming). Message fte:208 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 14:50:24 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:208 Subject: jewel boxes, Milla's humour, s-wet nothings No, this is not a post along the lines of "Jewel boxes Sarah, who would win", like the "Jesus boxes Odin" noise thread on alt.pagan recently, but a comment that for me the name "jewel" now has some negative connotations because of those stupid jewel boxes, very environmentally unfriendly, and prone to breaking at the corners at the slightest provocation. Also, another strike is that her name doesn't end in a vowel sound, which seems to be required for ecto-goddess-hood. But anyway, the reports of her voice have piqued my interest, how about the musical arrangements and instrumentation, what are they like? Also could someone post a few of your favourite Jewel lyric exerpts, so that I can see if they are good enough for me? Of course a good singer can make simple lyrics divine, (and bad/hokey lyrics can make the best singer lose interest). Speaking of Milla, I liked her sense of humour when she played here, although I was one of the few who laughed; what a dead crowd! She made one cute crack about Princess Cruises (cruise ships from Alaska to Vancouver, I think) that she may have been on, and hardly anyone laughed. But it was one of those s-wet nothings that make a concert memorable for me. It would be good to get some a digitized s-ample of Jewel on the web, as well, although I still haven't bothered to configure my sound player for xmosaic. David D Message fte:209 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 13:23:09 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:209 Subject: all's well; fish, tea and oranges I haven't rejoined the list yet, but just wanted to let my few friends on FTE know that my mood and energy improved quickly not long after my last post, after lots of water, sleep regulation, morning light, walking, and even more after yoga last night, she really made me work those hamstrings (ow). So the funk early in the week was merely a result of too much fun last week which caused me to get slightly dehydrated and let my sleep wake time become unset again. It was not the five nights of Macha, so I consider a positive return in July now unlikely, whereas Feb, May and June new moons are ones I will watch, especially May. (Regarding Macha, I just started reading Kinsella's translation of The Tain, and her story moved me. I also had to laugh at the story of Queen Ness, matriarch of the Cu Chulainn line, after my discussion of the state of being uptight, last week. But I doubt she was very tight, except when she wanted to be.) This will be my last post until after the 10th anniversary concert, I guess now that my mood is back up the strange bands are more likely to move me favourably, so look for a good review in the next few days. But I won't rejoin the list until after full moon, or maybe not even then, it is nice to be in semi-hermit mode sometimes, and have 2 e-mails in the box instead of 100 or so. Or I could fully move over to ecto; if so I'll let my fans on fte know first though. But anyway, if you want me to see a reply, cc it to me. Regarding the thread on the newsgroup about Back Door Man related to a back alley abortion, that could stick fit in with the environmental theme in that the earth could abort us. However, I know she is more subtle than that (the earth, I mean, not sarah, although she is suftle too) Yesterday I went to what was only my second movie in a year (the other was Latcho Drom), Go Fish, at a lunchtime screening as part of outre festivities this week, and must recommend it, it was a lighthearted love story with thorns of pain/meaning mixed in. The parental rejection scene was the deepest thorn for me, and the cooking made me laugh the most. Speaking of tea, this morning something funny (and unusual for me) happened. One of my orange quarters slipped from my grasp and plonked into my nearly full pint of tea, sloshing tea onto a pile of tapes on the table. I grimaced, but then quickly wiped off the tapes (no Sarah, but Hothouse Flowers: People, SOTW Save This House, Luka Bloom: Riverside, Jenny Allen: Something to Say, and Sue Medley: (first one)) and retrieved the orange. Then of course, I just had to put on the S song, that one by Cohen, track 13 on his Live CD. But wait, I don't know any Suzanne? (Later I also listened to that Sahara tune by the Police but that didn't work, besides I always hear a river in the SaraHa, dessert not desert, from lips of vintage '68. How does that Neil Diamond song go? Red, red lips, make me feel ???) I lied when I said "I felt I recognized S at New Year" since consciously I didn't at the time, and even now I am probably only projecting S onto some other strong woman with similar cheekbones and moves (and tuning?), so I guess there are lots of fish in the river. Of course, I did say "felt" rather than "thought". Re Saturday concert; early in the week during the warm weather I told someone that we would have one more s-now "storm" this year, now I will guess that it (Snow, not doo doo) will start to come down close to an appropriate song during S's Set, but that we will have warm weather again for Valentine's. (Anyway, I won't have any superhot weather irritability like in my July review.) But I have never been a good gambler, so probably Valentine's will remain fireplace weather for the lovers among you. Me, I'll probably be playing pool at Koerner's or listening to the blues at the W.I.S.E., or more likely, baking cookies for a chocolate dose (hmmm, but with my mood up I guess I don't need it). OK, that's enough swet nothings for today. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:210 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 13:41:24 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:210 Subject: werk to nett fish, tea and oranges I'll be going to the Nettwerk 10th Anniversary concert Saturday and will post a review early next week. It features short sets from S , Ginger, Rose Chronicles, Mystery Machine, Delerium and Brainbox (actually one of the last three is not playing, but I forget which, so it must be an important word, right?) Yesterday I went to see Go Fish, which was only my second movie in a year (the other was Latcho Drom), at a free lunchtime screening as part of outre festivities this week, and must recommend it, it was a lighthearted love story with thorns of pain/meaning mixed in. The parental rejection scene was the deepest thorn for me, and the cooking made me laugh the most. Anybody know who was on the soundtrack? (By the way, the soundtrack to Latcho Drom is also good.) Speaking of tea, this morning something funny (and unusual for me) happened. One of my orange quarters slipped from my grasp and plonked into my nearly full pint of tea, sloshing tea onto a pile of tapes on the table. I grimaced, but then quickly wiped off the tapes (no Sarah, but Hothouse Flowers: People, SOTW Save This House, Luka Bloom: Riverside, Jenny Allen: Something to Say, and Sue Medley: (first one)) and retrieved the orange. Then of course, I just had to put on the S song, that one by Cohen, track 13 on his Live CD. But wait, I don't know any Suzanne? Oh, s.o. mers (i.e., french your s.o. to get the sea blooming) (Later I also listened to that Sahara tune by the Police but that didn't work, besides I always hear a river in the SaraHa, dessert not desert, from lips of vintage '68. How does that Neil Diamond song go? Red, red lips, make me feel ???) [Actually, of course it is just the beautiful music that comes from the lips that makes me feel so fine] DavidD Message fte:211 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:34:51 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:211 Subject: Touche' My CD player is on the fritz, and I haven't bothered to hook up my portable instead yet, so this morning I listened to my very old temporary copy tape of Touch, and it seems that the tape gave me some new insights. Steaming and Ben's Song and Vox moved me even more than they used to, maybe even more than Out of the Shadows and Trust. Wow. Snow! DD Message fte:212 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:43:18 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <65535.25900288@nettwerk.wimsey.com> Message-ID: fte:212 Subject: Re: tHANKS! Hi Ralph; >I saw your review of my performance at the Nettwerk 10 year show & would like >to say THANKS! You're welcome, sorry it wasn't better but that's due to my mood and of course the lack of buildup, early hour, etc, although sometimes my first impressions change so probably the next review, if any, will be better, sometimes it takes a while for stuff to get through my thick skull, even if after it looks as though it has been right under my nose all along. Probably I can learn a lot by listening to another show or so. >and mention that, quite coincidentally, we're at the Glass >Slipper tonight, Feb. 14, with Veda Hille & others, if you are in that neck >of the woods. Right now I am fading due to tossing and turning last night but will get a short nap and will probably warm up later (I did last night). I plan to play pool at Koerner's from 7 to 9 p.m. and if I and the weather feel like it may turn up at the Glass Slipper sometime between 10 and midnight, well before the 4:15 a.m. full moon but I will probably risk a beer or two anyway. I like the Glass Slipper, although it doesn't have as many places to stand and be invisible as the Railway. But given the name, I hope your career takes a cinderella turn (now I want to try anagrams for cinderella but will resist). >You're right, Railway Club has been a great venue (I've played >there twice). Yeah, it has good wood, is above street level, and is on a corner, for some reason that makes it better for me. But the smoke has been getting to me lately, particularly in the last few days when I have been extra sensitive (to bad hot air). Sometimes I feel as though I am attracting smoke. Maybe I will think again about a smoke repellant, or ways to satisfy smokers without hurting them and others. Perhaps a variation on a water pipe? >We usually make a "theme" night of it ("Julie London Meets Jack >Kerouac For Drinks", for example) and team up with another group, The Van >Pelt Trio, whose chanteuse is a Julie London type & do two sets each. I think I have heard them, but am not sure. >Take Care! No, my dentist told me to avoid care, she's too sweet. And those safeway lights are too bright sometimes. (Seriously, thanks, with this ice I had better take care or I'll end up on my ass, or wreck my knee again.) Thanks again for the invite, I haven't been scanning the media much for goings on the last few days so I missed seeing it. David Dalton Message fte:213 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:22:11 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HN9USFUZ7M004T6F@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:213 Subject: Re:My FAQ Some comments: 1. Aren't Nettwerk about to release their own Sarah_FAQ? If so, it looks like we will have an unofficial and official version floating around, like the discog. 2. SIGNOFF worked for me, so maybe SIGNOFF and UNSUB both work 3. I'm back, and may finish my thesis by looking back, or perhaps will stick with the M.Sc. title. 5. Re ol' 55: What is 55 in Roman numerals? Add vowels of your choice. Also what day is the 55th day, from a starting point of your choice? What speed limit? 4. Re icecream, tacos, and wind: no, I will refrain today. (But I did like the snow with chocolate sauce, out of the wind, nice touch.) DDalton P.S. Hold One, Hold All == HO HA (I hope, eh) and for a change this is not a mile long p.s. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:214 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:32:44 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950215152459_22410264@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:214 Subject: Re:Information poll Lois wrote: L> I sink L> into that same "Sarah" mode. Trying to get any cd that she mentions or is L> related to her somehow - those you mentioned like XTC, Miracle on 34th L> street, boys on the side, etc. What was that classical piece that used to be mentioned, Goretski or something like that? L> (I'm going broke trying to keep up.) I already had the video "Blade Runner" L> but... L> ANYWAY, on my lazy Sunday, I really got into it. Do you like the director's cut better, or both in different ways? L> I was hanging out at my favorite bookstore earlier in the day (the kind L> where people sit on the floor next to their favorite volumes, have espressos L> and cappucinos while reading the merchandise - it's more like a really cool L> library, but...) All of the sudden, I remembered about a couple of Sarah's L> favorite books, so I hunted them down. I didn't do the cappucino thing with L> them, these were going home with me. Then I also bought the Electronic L> Musician magazine with the Sarah article in it (actually 2 copies, just in L> case someone who can't find it might want a copy). L> When I got home, I just sat back and relaxed. With L> Peter Gabriel's "Passion" playing in the background I read "Letters to a L> Young Poet" by Rainier Maria Rilke and started to read "Jitterbug Perfume" by L> Tom Robbins. I stopped reading "Jitterbug Perfume" when my eyes got a little L> tired and then I watched "The Piano." You've got me intrigued, I'll have to get Passion soon, am partway through my Letters copy, and haven't seen the Piano or read JP yet. Is the Piano soundtrack good? And are there good vertical dancing sessions in JP? L> The average Joe may not have gotten the Sarah connection in all of that, but L> ...It was a very Sarah day. :-) Well, it is that year. L> ANYWAY, don't think me obsessed. It's just kind of nice to try to figure out L> what makes our musical hero tick. Sure, we'll never really know, but just L> like people imitate their sports and other heroes, Sarah's mine cuz she is so L> frickin' talented. I don't know how to explain it. And her music says so much L> to me and it's not mindless like most of the "hit-oriented" stuff that gets L> air play [H]airhead play? L> And then when you see her live, she's so real. She's not one of those plastic L> performers. She's not a perfect person and she doesn't to pretend to be. L> That's cool. Like ice cream or snow. L> And what other performer do you think would sing, "I used to have an old L> banjo..." in her best banjo voice? ......That's what I thought. Is there a band named Joe? There is one here named Joe Fool led by a blind drummer named Gary Steeves, they sound cool. L> Besides, as we follow in the way of Sarah, our horizons are being broaden. L> Now that can't be all that bad. Sometimes it is good to focus in close as well, occasionally, I sure have to without my glasses. The eyes have it (lashes). D Message fte:215 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:48:12 UTC-0800 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Feb 16 16:45:50 1995" Send-date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:04:00 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HN2U9FFYF8007PFG@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:215 Subject: ReAre theY all lik thighs? >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 4365 JS wrote: >Someone responded to one of my messages via private mail, and >included what appeared to be the entirety of one of my messages >at the end of the letter. I noticed something odd: Perhaps the listserv is buggy and is now flagging certain strings as commands, i.e., some listservs will reject messages conatinung the words subscribe or unsubscribe, unquoted. So perhaps your message is acting as a Turing worm or string and the listerv is cutting it up, in the good sense (non, I know); shaboom. D Message fte:216 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 0:49:57 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950221214646_28536638@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:216 Subject: Re: Tonto and stuff Lucy typed: >I have the "No Alternative" video. They have "Hold On" as music for a short >film, not a Sarah video. It has good info on the tape but if you're just >going for Sarah content you should probably pass. Is it a film about condoms? Yeah, I didn't think her tent would take doms. D -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:217 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 1:14:22 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950221221547_28570542@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:217 Subject: Re: Sarah's religion--FAQ corr... Lucie wrote: >I thought she got confirmed just for the formality so she could go sing for >the grand-poo-bah at the vatican. The organized religion thing really >doesn't seem to suit her, maybe she sees just how disorganized it all can be. No, in the RC religion you don't usually choose to get confirmed, they whomp you with it when you are about 10--12 years old, so it is rare that anyone says "no, I am not firm on this" then, they just go along with their peers. And I don't really see JP giving a big whinnie like the little man in the SPirit of the West song that I mentioned a while back. No, Sarha may be Roman Candolic. D avid -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:218 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 1:22:45 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <5551B522F9@caelab1.cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: fte:218 Subject: Re: Sarah's religion--FAQ cor... Tracy wrote: >What ever happened with the big Papal shindig? Did anyone catch it on >TV or anything? Yeah, The Frayed Knots won. D Message fte:219 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 1:45:40 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:219 Subject: Rek ind Ectophiles, please respond ! Re defintion. I think Ecto is evolving towards this and is near this for some members. However, new members are not too aware of who else belongs to the group, plus even old members are not necessarily aware of the new memebers, things are in a state of flux. Also every member has different goals, plus there are some guidelines for the group, ecto is looser than some (e.g., fte or rdt or the like); we are not so much striving to attain mutual goals as "fumbling" (a la the big S) towards something. I would revise the definition, in this semi-drunken state, to Group: individuals with something in common who occasionally interact That's all for tonight Message fte:220 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 2:48:35 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:220 Subject: REef a cue, t Now there are coffee drinkers plenty Even I have coffee flavour, IC SO, I am not original tea Still, I am arouseD by the choice tasteS Now that is silly and doesn't? even go to metre, why would a tea sipper and coffee kisser flame? (I will try to answer that later, in terms of ki/qi/chi, qui sera, etcethera.) I guess it would be an incentive to get to the pot first, but that's not pool. But sharing flavours is imp. Speaking of metre, what's this stupid hangup about (the) 9-ball? I (have been/am?) easily whomped at that. I guess diamond racks are not my friend. Dame, i.t. It must be my yellow stripe. Oh, sHit, things have conspired to keep me here until 3 a.m. tonight. Too many I's above, but that's life. Message fte:221 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:04:50 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:221 Subject: bye for a while My tendonitis is acting up again, it's worse today than it has been since before New Year's, so I am signing off for a few days, at least until Monday. Today I'm in boring mode, no good frivolity. I made my world peace soup way too spicy, by a spill of cayenne instead of a pinch (reminds me of the time when I was a young kid and put cayenne in the apple flips instead of cinnamon, by mistake). I also properly made my pineapple chocolate chip cookies, no cucumber peel this time like in the September bake-a-thon. I'll have one for you. Sarah content: since she was confirmed she may not have a middle name but two middle names, maybe initials S.L.A.M. or something, for dancing. :-) I didn't get an extra name when I was confirmed but most if not all of my siblings did (or was it just the guys). Hope my yoga tends on the tendonitis tonight, else I will need roadies tomorrow to move gear. D Message fte:222 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:55:58 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:222 Subject: I'm back, toasty Hi Y'all, I just resubscribed, but plan to cut down on the groan elements of my posts (i.e., probably less punning and S-______ jokes, some of which I was also letting slip into posts outside fte when I was off). So expect to see some more ramblings (I was born to be a rambling man) inspired by music and life, and probably some gentle ribbing (what is the origin of that word?) of Sarah and/or her music, but less groaning puns (i.e., less of the juvenile stuff that gives a one-time chuckle and more of the steady lasting stuff that can give laughs of pleasure for a longer time). Does that make any sense? But of course, that will mean I will have to act as my own twisted editor and filter the doo doo for gems before posting it. Probably I will slip up here and there, if so, c'est la vie, eh. My next post should be rather dry, it will be a deciphering of my handwritten notes and memories of the Nettwerk 10th Anniversary Concert, and will be dull (but the concert wasn't), this month I am more distracted by seasonal matters, not up to wild poetic rambles (nor work, it seems). But me mood is fine, albeit a bit bouncy inside the normal range, and a bit of the nicer type of full moon effects, although those can be frustrating sometimes. Also I seem more easily affected by music, air quality, traffic noise and other factors than usual. But even though I am in slob mode today, two women smiled at me, they must have been downwind. :-) Fir O moans? But I will make sure to get a shower before the RC ritual tonight, Monday night services overseen by godtender Keith. Fumbling towards ecstasy; David P.S. Actually, at the rate I have been doing work lately, you might not see many more posts from me anyway because one of three things will happen: 1. i go into hermit geek mode to finish up and end up stressed to the gills in spring and land in the dark place again 2. i get booted out due to lack of progress (but, it was the U.B., see!) 3. i quit the thesis and go in search of something better, consultant rambler extraordinaire (more likely pan handler or dishwasher) and jack of owl triads. But it is hard for me to say "I give up. Stop." and really mean it, as you know. next, frog in throat, musical virus duet, and more, man Message fte:223 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:46:03 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:223 Subject: Re:DRuiD new moons, BelTain, >> We shall see what the May 22--25 late Beltane will bring, though. > >Isn't there a solar eclipse on the date of Beltane this year??? I don't think so, unless it is a minor/partial one, although I will check Sky and Telescope more carefully later (there is an astronomy seminar on now). If there is one I will e-mail you again. By the date of Beltane do you mean May 1. I guess I mean the new moon before or after May 1, in Canada after due to weather considerations, or the period 0--5 days before that new moon. However, there is a total solar eclipse on Oct. 24, which is reasonably close to Samhain and I guess must be at new moon, I am not on an X machine now so I can't check my lunar calendars, will do later. David Message fte:224 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 20:14:54 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:224 Subject: correction to last post (T-->S, 5--> re-inserted) Things are conspiring to keep me here later than I planned, at this rate Feb. 13 may be over before I go out. Anyway, my returned copy of the last post was badly garbled, with material between Tara and Sarah deleted and the paragraph on the meaning of five at the end snipped as well. Was yours garbled as well, or just mine? (It could have happened on the way from here to australia, in the listserv, or on the way from the listserv to me.) I know it means something but won't think about it now, for you I guess it means buy Tara's recording when it comes out. Anyway, here is the "review" again in its entirety, with the ginger left in this time, and with slight edits. Scan for "Sarah's set" if that's all you want to read, and then ignore the ending ramble. I hope this doesn't get chewed up by the satellite again, in any case I won't see the bounced copy until tomorrow since I am now leaving at 8:20 p.m., 2 hours later than intended. I think the big twisted editor sent it back to me for slight revision, but probably in future I'll have to exercise my own restraints. (but that is silly, the changes were minor, just taste adjustments) ================== Subject: Nettwerk 10th anniversary concert notes Well, I wouldn't call this a review, just an attempt at transcribing my own handwriting in the dark the other night, with some added stuff from memory (I of course put away my notebook during the last set). I will probably tidy it up a lot before sending it to ecto and alt.music.s-mclachlan, if ever. On the way to the concert, I was feeling quite good, with some nice chi waves in the back of the bus as we moved over the bridge. But once I entered the Vogue concert hall this faded quickly, the air in the balcony was quite warm, stuffy and dead, plus perhaps the acoustics were not giving me the right harmonics. Still, I did enjoy the concert and had some mild effects, which I won't describe (or will I?) during the later sets. But I don't think I will get a balcony seat there again, the air must have been better down below. Over the course of the night there was a video retrospective, with video clips from various artists, during the set breaks, plus some semi-acoustic sets from special guests. I could have done without the videos, although they did give me a chance to hear other nettwerk artists, but not rest my eyes and reorient to directions other than straight ahead during the breaks. Plus the one strange artist I liked the most I managed to miss their/her name both times (two videos). Single Gun Theory videos didn't impress me too much, they were not projecting. Sarah's Hold On video came on when I was on my way to the washroom, I paused but the usher shoo-ed me off the stairs, saying "you don't want to see this" (not really, she said to sit down but I decided to wait for the real thing, not coke but she sure cooks (me). I've lost my program or it is on my fridge, but here goes. The first special guest was Ralph the beat poet, who you can check out on the nettwerk www site, I think. I forget his last name. Naturally there were backing musicians. It was entertaining but lacked a hit, or smelled of an era of too many hits. The poetry was more framed by the beats than born of the beats. Cute, but no tears. Still I think I would check it out again, in a more intimate venue, perhaps Reading Railroad or Tongue of the Slip, and also later at night. The first act always is the hardest spot, although I bet following Sarah would be harder. So may the beat go on. The first feature act was Brainbox. They sounded mildly interesting at first but I got bored after a little while, however those of you who like spacy instrumental dance music should check them out. It sounded like background music for some space cop show, mildly interesting, with the twisted edge that would be bad for me if I was in a mixed state (when I have enough edge, and need safe curves). I couldn't hear the drums very well, and the keys were piercing, but I think that was intentional. But by doing that the coupling between rhythm section and keys is lost. Of course, a drum machine could be programmed to spawn off the keys somehow, or the other way around, or even a back and forth interplay, with control slipping. It was OK for a while but wore quickly. All instrumental and without much direction or building of momentum. And there were no twinges, or maybe one, in the late stage they did some pseudo-whale noises and I felt a cool breeze effect. Anyway, they would be OK dance music for those of you who like one-purpose music, but this wasn't a dance. And I can get spaced out quite nicely by myself. The second special guest act was Taste of Joy and I liked them, although again the bass wasn't coming through to me. I liked them enough that I may check them out opening for Art Bergmann if it hasn't sold out by the time I get around to getting ticket(s), probably at the door. They looked a bit tired though so I tried to send them some energy (yeah, sure). Maybe there was a good party Friday. The second feature act was Mystery Machine (who's Miss Terry?). I was quite impressed with the rhythm section this time, especially the drummer, maybe his kit sounded crisp too but I forgot to check the kit name. The first song was garagish, but they are a cooking, tight band. I couldn't make out the lyrics until I shaped my ear to receive them, and the singer could use some more singing lessons for proper flow, less reading effect, and the other guys should learn harmony. But they are young and I think they have a lot of potential if they play their cards right. I think they must have missed that party. Oh, despite the good rhythm section, in my seat I wasn't getting any sub-bass. Also they still have too much wank-off-ishness [or is that wank-of-fish-ness] and not enough use of space/intensity-building/transition but again they are young and may grow out of it. The song title "Horn of Plenty" made me laugh, next to it I wrote down "horn of plain tea" but don't think that is the only reason. The song endings need work, they sort of peter out instead of coming to a strong climax (next to this I had something written down "lyrics/?????" but can't read it). Then there was a speech, patting everyone on the back for a job well started. The third feature act was Rose Chronicles. They had a much cleaner sound than when I heard them at UBC, but again, where I was sitting the lyrics were very hard to make out; perhaps this could be helped by doing separate and complementary EQs and effect parameter setting for voice and r.o.b. (rest of band), the voice content zone and instruments EQ overlap too much, so that there is tension, unlike with Sarah, when the band is really there to back her up, plus her voice has a wider content zone (what the hel do I mean by that?). So anyway, I hate straining to hear lyrics, I'm not always able to make my own up. Also I found that Kristy sometimes did not project quite enough, was in a little bit of a shell, and perhaps could use more work on singing without a mic, i.e., opera style lessons. But probably that; that the voice was not in ear and brain at the same time, was due to the EQ overlap and the fact that I was not familiar with the music and so could not anticipate and sing along internally as I can do with Ms. McLachlan's magic music. So anyway, I think a band should back up and complement a singer and not overpower her, and that good lyrics can transform a mediocre band into a good one, for me. Still, I liked them, and may get the recording, but don't plan to strain live again soon (oh, but my CD player just died). They were seething but had no higher dimensional projection, or were seething but contained, not moving.??? Oh, another reason I was getting down, as well as the bad air, was the sit down venue, I guess I hate getting squished into a little space, depending on who is squishing me. I was on the aisle but people were continually going by, and the guy to my right seemed to need more than his share of space, so I was twisted to the left, and oddly enough my usual tendency is to twist to the right, and put my heart side forward, a little too often, in kitchen or computer chair. So I wish I had gotten the seat on the other side of the aisle as planned. (Now, that is crazy, right?) Plus the hot, stuffy, dark balcony was putting me to sleep. The next special guest was singer/songwriter Tara McClean, who is featured on a compilation CD to benefit Rape Crisis Centres in Canada, maybe that will get promoted around International Women's Day. Anyway, she was good, sounded almost as good as some of the acts I book, and I hope to hear her in a more intimate venue someday. She was backed by Ash Sood and Stephen Nikleva, and got a very warm response from | the audience. I didn't write down any details though. [In the garbled version, it was clipped from "response from" to the line in the Sarah section "think she was barefoot", i.e., everything from the vertical bar above to the next one was deleted. What's this about feet and carpet? And no, I didn't do this, the listserv did, or the satellite.] Then Kristy Thirsk did an acoustic version of Fleetwood Mac's Songbird and I heard her clearly, she is a good singer but still, for me, somehow she sounds as though she is behind a wall, needs to open up and project. Probably it is just something in the inflection, an upturn or downturn. Or maybe it was just that it is supposed to be a sad song. The next feature act, Ginger, had some minor technical difficulties in the first song and seemed a bit uptight at first, I thought Ginger could use a little ale :-). Also during the first song I was not super impressed with the rhythm section, but that was because the song was an intense fast one, difficult to sing and play bass at the same time. But they rock, I like them better than I did the Grapes of Wrath. Then, later, I said that the above was actually not true, the bass/drum work in the later songs was very good, and also some exemplary distinctive slide guitar work, it might be nice to overlap the slides somehow. But the keyboard wasn't cutting through to me, it may have been a location thing. I thought at first that singer Tom Hooper was just laying the lyrics there, not projecting, just saying admire these and not making you admire them. But he/they had good stage presence, and then later in the set he seemed to loosen up and really project. I guess that is the problem of 20 minute sets with short sound checks early in the night. Oh, and one note I made was that he could sing slow songs with more emotion, but that is often the case. This ginger would start the rocking horse. The song Ocean Dream impressed me --- gentle waves, followed by a pacific storm, then a fading, then, just as we thought it was over, an atlantic storm. I forget if there were gentle waves at the end, or if there is an end. The video for this could be good, waves of love, waves of sea, the sun rises in her eyes, the tide rises in her thighs, my heart rises with her smiles... Earlier on Sat I had walked at Kits at high tide, later I would walk there near low tide looking for markings in the sand, and soothing the heart. During the song, and maybe during the next set, I linked with the beach (I had said to the sea "come with me to the concert") and also with a furious Atlantic outflow wind of last Jan.6. Anyway, on Sunday we got a good wind storm, of course not as strong as the one on Avalon but for here OK, it perked me up and held my sleep to 3--4 hours (back to 7--8 last night, no worry). Oh, back to Ginger, at one point I also visualized the 5-some as at points of a 5-star (apple sliced sideways) or pentagram (cabal of 5 grandmothers, I wonder if Ginger all have grandmothers with the same first name), this was in the pounding storm at the tail end of O.D. OK, now, on to what you've been waiting for. Sarah's set was great, rocking from the start since the 20 minute sets give no time for the usual acoustic foreplay, it was like a relaxed jam-ish set in front of the hometown crowd, replete with the usual cries, flowers, proposals. Sarah was glowing, dressed casually but looking very much the confident woman, the embodiment of natural health, well rested and smiling at almost every chance. I most definitely take back the papal c remark, not that I ever really meant it. I also take back the "only her hairdresser knows" comment, she obviously hasn't cut that beautiful mane of hair in a goodly enough while. It would be scarilege to cut that down to waif length again, although probably would take a while for one to wash. Anyway, she moist definitely has changed for the better since I first saw her at the Town Pump, the shy talented waif with the pale face and mournful eyes; now she glows in audiovisual+ . Also she had a beautiful rug spread out under her feet (I don't | think she was barefoot though, and thus converted the whole room, by magic carpet ride) into her living room. [so the garbled version snip ended at the vertical bar above] Anyway, that was just for those of you who like to talk about her appearance. Now, during her set I put away the notebook, and didn't write down the set list, so much of this is from memory. She did Possession first, a rocking version, I didn't sing along inside but just listened. At the very beginning her voice sounded a little strange, and I thought, oh, no, she has a cold.... no, she's hung... but that disappeared after the first couple of words/notes, really it was just a hook to get the audience to pay attention, something different to make them listen, and then she hit us with the waves of voice. Then she did Elsewhere, Good Enough (dedicated to Earth Day, and I also dedicated it inside as well to International Women's Day March 8), and it sure was good enough, but I suddenly felt not good enough (to finish my thesis?). Then she did Hold On, I made sure to stay put for this one, never move for those thorns of acupuncture (but dance to the piper, and wake up and smell the roses)??????? At one point I was mildly cooked (by bass waves) in the seat, but not as much in the hands as I have been when I'm up close doing sound, e.g., Wingnuts' or other bass players with good amps or something. Again my location was such that I mustn't have been getting much sub-bass or perhaps it was coming from above instead of below. And for Sarah, sometimes her voice and the guitar (at one point I said to myself "I'd like to be that guitar right now") also fry me. So it isn't just the bass, it must be something else, tuning or chords or whatever (chords with a hook?). They suffered from none of the problems I mentioned with the earlier bands. I noticed the guitar solos a little more than last time, and the keyboards a bit less, though. At the end, Sarah did an impromptu encore duet with Tom Hooper of Ginger, of the musical virus Girl From Ipanini (I forget how to spell it). It is one of those tunes that can run through your head for hours if you let it take hold, but you can't remember the lyrics. "The girl from ipanini goes walking, and when she's walking, she's ????, and then she goes to the sea" or something. It was silly but they did a great job together, the audience ate it up, and then the videos ushered us out. After I left, maybe because of the bad air and ardent crowd, I felt down, so I took (oh yeah) my Nettwerk free grab bag containing posters, postcards and a RC CD single, and went on home, stuck some LPs and tapes on (my CD player is at least temporarily dead, although I will hook up my portable shortly and attempt the rub or something on the big one) and then, not after midnight, but after 12:30 (Newfoundlander) I went on down to the beach and on impulse off to the Railway for last call. That was a mistake because the band was rude and ended early, before I got there. Still, I had a ginger ale and an odd owl's (O'Doul's), showed a loon to the owl before tipping it to the beartender, and rushed home perked up by the people (whereas sometimes they would have irritated me). Oh, and to prevent the virus from taking hold, on the beach I invoked an anti-virus --- I went "Val ree Val ra, ...." for a second and it worked. So maybe valerian and sunshine is a cure for brAIDS or is that bra-ids. Anyway, she didn't have breads Sat, just sweet breaths tuned to soul D, not mould. I was rapt as she rapped and wrapped me up, but it was con-sensual, no can oil, eh (besides Ferron says don't use oil). Some random notes from later: tea and oranges ---- tea = hot matrix, oranges=crystal, all the way from china=tunnel through the earth, related to flowers and granite, also due to the piezoelectric effect seismic or acoustic waves can cause localized temperature and other variations in the crystal matrix, which could act like a computer chip in a way. So, that still doesn't solve the transportation problem.??? [the garbled post had everything from the vertical bar below on snipped out, by the listserv or the long distance connection] the meaning of five --- is there perhaps | an unstable isotope of lithium containing three protons and two neutrons? From a quick glance in geochemistry books there seems to be no mass five isotope but a mass 6 and 7. Perhaps the mass 5 is a transition unstable catalyst for an important nu-clear reaction (ha). Also perhaps the lower percentage isotope (I think 6) may be more important for mood disorder control than the other one, so by separating out the small factor isotope people could be treated without having the adverse side effects. Does the small factor isotope come from the sun only whereas the other is a secondary daughter product in the earth? Or is it the other way around? And what does that have to do with the price of tea in Murchie's. (I don't know why, but that last word is important, I had to break the china, probably I'm being had again given the time of the month. No bull here, though, just the usual d d.) David, now hugry, so bye. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:225 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:04:36 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HN1YMG4F660072IA@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:225 Subject: Re: Posters (was Happy Valentine's Day) John Shepard wrote: >She looks like a hippie. :-) a la moderne? David Message fte:226 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:23:35 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:226 Subject: hellO Hi all; My "ByE" post was a bit cryptic, I should have said that I was just taking a few days off, didn't know how many, and would resubscribe later. Anyway, I'm back, after three days of relaxation, and now think I like the cymbals as much as the bass drums :-) --- i.e., for a few days too many symbolic linkages were eating me up, but now I find I can take them or leave them, as it were --- so I can choose to delve into deeper layers of meaning if I need to, but most of the time hope to weave a "normal" life. Of course, an occasional chuckle or groan will still pop through and I will probably continue to make unconscious linkages for you to interpret, as I bet has been happening for quite a while now. (But it doesn't stop when I become aware of it.) Hey, I guess that is the first word of 27 or more. I always knew that when the Hold is On, nothing hurts like the Muzak, or feels as good as the HellO. I hope I got rid of some of my hang-ups, this weekend I've been finally healing myself, but still feel a bit of the tend-on-itis; any suggestions? LoFTEve; David D (who's eve?) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:227 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:35:58 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:227 Subject: Re:Sarah's religion--FAQ correction Don A wrote: >On Mon, 20 Feb 1995, elana wrote: >> >> In the MUSE zine article, Sarah said she was confirmed. >> This would mean she was Roman Catholic. > >Or any one of a few dozen or so protestant churches........... But then would she have the password to the Vatican? >> what i gave to you just meant nothing. when i see the sun i hope it shines on >> me and gives me everything. well almost. At last, a tan, but not a burn? Or SaraHa wetness balanced with the Sahara dryness? For me, the sneeze. She does say gO d, in Whole Dawn. (yeah, right.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:228 - Read Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 3:25:47 UTC-0800 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Wed Feb 22 03:23:41 1995" Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 3:21:00 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:228 Subject: hackysack >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 4476 >From the chat session, it seems that the consummate (is that spelled right) SaraFan should delve into the intricacies of hackysack. Have many of you done this already? I haven't yet since it reminded me too much of soccer, which I am not too good at. But anyway, itis time for me to hit the sack, and not the Dry one. D Message fte:229 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 3:27:10 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:229 Subject: Re: hackysack Lest that last one be misunderstood, by dry sack I meant sherry, and not Sherry, whoever that may be. D Message fte:230 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 3:31:46 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:230 Subject: hoe el dawn drunk, off to hoe el dawn D, yawn Message fte:231 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 19:13:13 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HND4VGM5ZM00IKTL@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:231 Subject: dessert (was Re: It's Wednesday night) John S wrote: >It's Wednesday Night. You know what that means? Time for me to go cook some soup guaranteed to appease. But it will be out of whole peas this time. However, I don't have a blender, so it might not be whirled peas. Oh, but stirring is a form of whirling. >| "In the desert of my dreams I saw you there..." -Sarah McLachlan | Isn't it the dessert? (And to explain the coffee poem, I, a tea drinker and chocolate lover, on impulse bought some Hagen Daaz coffee flavour the other day, it is sitting in the fridge freezer. DD (dreamy dessert) P.S. Marie Antoinette said "let them eat caique, a good enough one, from this hel's rake napoleon" Well, I'm a flake, but I don't see how sodium poles help solve the transportaion problem? Oh, THAT sort of transport. But I will have to edit the above. Anyway, I had better get off to call my open micers for the session. sig? it's gone back to nature, and is now well, not sig. Message fte:232 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 19:43:11 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199502230302.WAA01968@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Message-ID: fte:232 Subject: Re:Sarah, the Junos, and You Sarah wrote: >Can us Americans call this number too, or am I going to have to make a run >for the Windsor border? (Speaking of which, can you even *call* a 900 >number from a pay phone? Is there anything I can do? Oh, woe is me!!) If you are a really good hacker, not of the sick or sack types, then you could hack into the phone company's system and use it to run up the numbers. Also I guess the numbers for other artists could be impeded somehow. I guess you could look at it as having all Sarah's online fans, including virtual ones, phone in, and transfer the charges to the big record companies --- i.e., some of their calls for whoever would get rerouted to the Sarah line, but not enough from any one to get them suspicious. But that might show up on the bill. But of course this is illegal, the big SMcL (kiss all [with voice]) would probably not approve, and I am not advocating it, plus I am not a very good hacker (or sacker) so I won't offer advice. (I would get caught.) riddle: How is hacky sack related to unlimited energy? DD p.s. as Will S (and Figgy Duff) say, in the teapot, temp est: Juno sings her blessing on S Hmmm, hope this doesn't Gather Pace, as Relativity say. No l.i.p.s. today :-( Message fte:233 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 20:16:22 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:233 Subject: earmarks Steve Ito asked what an "earmark" is. Well, it is related to smoe (situation marvellous, ovulation excellent) and of course to nibbles and nubbles (which I prefer to nobles and no belles, and which go with no belts). The official definition is an identifying mark on the ear of an animal; or any distinctive marking; or to reserve or set aside for a special purpose. So, discerning lovers earmark their lovers for later "consumption", sort of like marking their territory, but gentler than scratching on the 9-ball. And of course there are many ways to make a silk purse, especially this year, so don't be a bore, make up a few definitions. Earrings give me tin-itus. David Dalton P.S. Some songs caress my ears like the best lover, and leave a cheery-mark deep within, aural hug -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:234 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:07:35 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: "Sushi Deerskins" , In-Reply-To: <83EEFF2079@caelab1.cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: fte:234 Subject: hacky sack/hold on (was Re:Sarah, the Junos, and You) "Sushi Deerskins" wrote: >Almosta Dr. Dalton asked: >> How is hacky sack related to unlimited energy? > >Sarah has both. I hope not, since she seems to compose better when relaxed (is that true?). But of course you can have energy in store and yet be relaxed. I think I had some vague answer in mind along the lines of hack E + something else to make new energy, but obviously the answer could be In both your try for perpetual motion and fail. etc. (I think it is related to S exchange [S=entropy]) Last night at yoga I made a funny slip; a guy was holding me up in a back bend, I said I would try it on my own, he started to lower me, I changed my mind, and instead of saying "Hold On", I blurted out "hold me" quite loudly, embarassing especially since it was a guy, and the whole class heard. But it was just a slip, related to the back bend/shell/etc. I'm still not back on the list but feel free to e-mail me directly as Sushi did, and if it is crossposted I may send my reply to the list, like this one. David D -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:235 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 1:26:49 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Cc: Message-ID: fte:235 Subject: Pierre Marchand bit on DNTO; Ol' SOS (I'm still not back on the list, so CC any replies to me.) Did anyone catch the spot on Pierre Marchand on Definitely Not the Opera on CBC-AM radio Saturday afternoon? I heard them say it was coming up after the 4 p.m. news, but then they went into one of their jerky TV worship sequences and I turned it off, and being a teeny bit low, dozed the afternoon away and missed it. One little funny thing to note about that: I was sort of half dreaming/half asleep, with eyes closed, and was thinking a personal question, I forget what exactly, something about the door or road ahead. Anyway, I opened my eyes and there staring at me was my alarm clock with the time 5:05. Now I wouldn't mention that except that it looked a lot like SOS and also reminded me of Ol' 55 and my stupid SOS poemette. But though I am a bit low tonight I don't need to yell SOS yet. But I finished off my H-D icecream and all my cookies today, and skipped concerts by Hopping Penguins, Queen Ida, Old Blind Dogs and [since I just missed the 1:12 bus downtown] I guess Bughouse 55. What a shame, I even have all black on for once, even though it is a cheap laundry day track suit, but perhaps will wander to the sea instead and get an acoustic hug from the waves, sea lit that I am. Hey, it's Ash's day on Wednesday, that's when all good cat-holics activate their third eye chakra with leftover hash ashes. But I think I will stick to blueberry pancakes on Tuesday, with a bluenose dime in the batter, before the latest S rove. (I forget the significance of who gets the dime, anybody remember? Probably the person who has to go to the dentist next.) Odd how all the big religious dates are falling right on the moon dates this year, that doesn't happen too often. But this month I'm square, and the moon doesn't date squares. (groan) David (definitely not diva D) Message fte:236 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:03:29 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:236 Subject: coverlets/panama Has anyone recorded a cover of a Sarah McLachlan song yet? And of the musicians on this list, who of you have covered a Sarah McLachlan tune in front of a live audience? Which one(s), and how big an audience? On Sunday at the WISE Shannon Crooks had on a panama hat, (it was actually Rick the t-shirt/etc guy's) and that later reminded me of The Girl From Ipanama (I spelled that Ipanini earlier) tune that Sarah and Tom Hooper doo-eted on at the Nettwerk 10th Anniversary concert. But of course it is actually spelled Ipanema, which rhymes with enema, and I've been lax lately so bye. D Message fte:237 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:24:25 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HNK6F96NR293508T@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:237 Subject: Re:give me shelter from the coming storm Meredith writes: >Would you all please take this whole veggie/carnivore thing elsewhere? Here, here (oops, make that hear, hear)! I though we long ago decided not to talk about who/what she/we eat, or at least force it down anybody's throat. But it is good to see some spice on the list now and then. Another slice of the vegetarian, please (pizza). I know she likes trees, but broccoli, and to f.u.? (Those of you who have experienced both sides, does a vegetarian taste better than a carnivore?) Sariously, check out rec.food.veg, rec.food.veg.cooking, talk.politics.animals, talk.environment, etc. Now this talk is making me want to make up a recipe/poem with several meanings, based on the set list one of you will post. Yeah, right, but tis a seed, to chew. >So let's all just hold on until Wednesday when hopefully >we'll have something really interesting to talk about -- Sarah's award! The Grammies are Wednesday? Or the Junos? Oh, I didn't know Sarah is a ward, just forward, backward and random play. Shields on. David P.S. good word incorporation, subliminal redirection back on topic, Merdedith. Message fte:238 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:50:53 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:238 Subject: Re:everything and all else inbetween Jason wrote: >Is this the Sarah McLachlan list or what?? We all have in common a love for Sarah McLachlan's music but sometimes the threads will stray to stuff inspired by her. You can ignore or delete the ones you don't care to swing on. >In regards to the cow and the environment: >>From an existential point of view, if you're an environmentalist, you >should kill yourself... you're wasting Earth's valuable resources. Heck, >kill everyone!! That way, we can preserve our beloved Earth! Luckily, I hope/feel, the earth does not share your tongue-in-cheek views, it is possible to tune the system, like tuning that guitar (I spelled it guytar for a second). Also, if you love Sarah's music, you are rather obtuse to ignore some of her messages. >Seriously, it'd be senseless to commit suicide or to go out and murder >people. Why is such tedious philosophy discussed here? Wouldn't this >kind of discussion be better suited SOMEWHERE ELSE?? or at least >privately?? Music is not separable from other aspects of life. The music does evoke responses/meanings in some of us. But of course we should reference the music in our arguments, or should we? >However, if it isn't too much to ask, I would like to request >that all topics that have nothing to do with Sarah not be discussed >here since this list IS a list for Sarah related topics. Everything is related, and Sarah is more connected than us mere mortals can begin to imagine :-) . I agree that flame wars should be taken off list, but don't agree that occasional writings and philosophical points inspired by Sarah's fumbling are out of place, you can just ignore those of us who are the worst perpetrators, or threads that get out of hand. Else this wouldd quickly become a very boring list, especially during the year after the tour. >Please, for the sake of sanity, What's that? >stick to what interests >EVERYONE POSITVELY on this list. (and of course, the topic that >interests everyone positively on this list is Sarah McLachlan....or else, >you wouldn't be on the list! :) I guess you mean her music? But it is impossible to please all of the people all of the time, the only thing that would do that would be if Sarah herself posted to the list once a week or something. And I don't mind negative interests as well as positive. Plus several people have told me that if I post somewhere other than fte, and give up fte, to let them know, so a goodly chunk of the list actually like some of my ramblings. Sorry I missed the cow thread, but as you know, I am a semi-vegetarian, still eat free range eggs, dairy products, and some fish, may work towards veganhood eventually (or is that veganity?). It all comes down to identifying with the cow, and also to resource allocation. Don't have a cow, wen. David Message fte:239 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:28:59 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:239 Subject: steaming: vegetarian restaurants, love and hair+ For those of you who live in cities on the tour schedule, what are the don't-miss vegetarian restaurants in your city? Do you use bamboo or metal baskets for Steaming (vegetables)? ...on a palette/pallet/palate Steaming, spinning... Are tickets sold out yet and if so are any of you planning to scalp tickets? If you have heard Sarah in several venues, which was the best venue? I would have to say the PNE gig but that is because it affected me the most; the Clayoquot Sound benefit at the Commodore was also memorable, Vogue and Sunflower Sunday I was a bit off, I have heard that Mount Baker is a great venue but don't have a ticket. Hey, that reminds me of Amergin and the bread dough, again (a tale of lady's fingers). San Francisco is a fun city, I actually wandered around there after midnight a bit during two conferences in 89/90 and didn't get mugged. Anybody have the coffee mug? What's it like? Has anybody on the list actually fallen in love (with someone other than someone on stage) at a Sarah McLachlan concert and developed a real relationship because of her? (Last night a friend told me of two friends of his from the Yukon who had taken a side trip to Edmonton to hear Joni Mitchell and then got married, much to the chagrin of her boyfriend [up to then]. But whitewater rafting also played a role.) But I guess this falls into two categories: someone who you go on a date with and heat up with because of the show; or someone strange who you meet at the show. Maybe we should start a personals thread on here, and try to ensure that people have complementary subsets of the discography. Solitude notwithstanding (Vega-n ref.). Does anyone know Sarah's favourite shampoo? I bet it wasn't tested on animals. Now I'll have to check mine. Hair --- we're gonna live forever... Huh, how is shampoo related to Alzheimer's/aging? All the colours fade to black? Not! But at the Nettwerk concert at first her hair looked a bit funny, almost like a glowing halo or something, but maybe she got some sun recently, or used a blow drier. After the first few minutes though it looked great to me, no more thoughts of a wig; her face was like a hypnotic jewel nested in that fabulous mane, sending out sublime sounds interspersed with radiant smiles. For those of you who catch her only in the middle or late stages of a tour, well she's great then but even better when rested and comfey. This is silly, I can say no wrong, even in a bad mood, so something must be wrong. But I will continue to tastefully tease. Oh, last night I went late to Grrrls With Guitars and missed most of the acts but a friend said that Karen Parent was someone to watch out for. I think Sherrie Lee was on drums for one of the bands. I'm trying to avoid the stupid S-________ puns, they were getting tiresome, plus V-week I started seeing too many of them hither and yon (along with other word split stuff, for a while I couldn't look at or hear a word without thinking of oodles of meanings, but have learned to be able to put that aside and call on it only when needed, mostly). I also got a few zaps in the fingers when going through downtown, indicating which buildings (or companies?) were fucked and which were full of gold, or something. One building (or really a sidewalk next to it, so perhaps something under or something that recently happened there) nearly blew my middle finger away, will stay away from there, earthquake city or toxic waste or evil doings or whatever. But none of that this week, or probably for a while. And probably it is just the tendonitis. Anyway it was low level, no threat to sane tea. Procrastinatingly yours; David D P.S. Give up listening to Sarah for Lent? You must be kidding. But perhaps I'll get in shape, at pool that is (but I don't swim?). Those pancakes were good this morning, but I didn't smoke the dime. What's a Grammie clause? Message fte:240 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 18:24:30 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:240 Subject: singalongs and dowsing (was Re:coverlets/panama) Chad wrote: >Well, I'm not a musician but I almost got caught by Sarah herself while I >was absent-mindedly singing one of her songs just after her concert. Does >that count? :) Oh, yes, indeed! Does she ever try the singalong thing in concert, like point the mic at the crowd? But if she had caught you, would you be the next Camille? (Ouch) Or would she try to make sure you had paid your CAPAC fees? Hey, that almost relates to the cap thing. I don't think I even sang on the beach/hill but sure did act out my own interpretation/video. And at home, I wouldn't want to drown her out. By the way, I fixed my CD player by opening it up (ignoring the electric Shock warnings) and gentle tapping a few things and doing the rub on the lens. It then worked for about 5 CDs and died again, so back to the portable. I think it is the motor or a related digital switch. So for now Sarah will go in my portable CD player. Speaking of shocks, that downtown ramble wasn't as bad as it sounds, I was just on my way to Stanley Park and that day was sensitive to traffic noise/etc so took a detour down to not far from the rail yards, suddenly had a desire to avoid puddles (thought toxic waste), then looped back up past a terraced building near some construction, on the way to Robson. The down side of the building felt great (waterfalls, stepped, good colours, windows with size and aspect ratio that seem earthquake friendly) but then when I looped around the other side, in between a bus stall and the building I got an immense jolt to the right middle finger, as if something nasty was below the asphalt at that point. I hastened away, to the ducks, swans, snow, trees and sea of the park, but may go back to try and identify the corner. And the gold reference was from a nice glow another finger got when I walked past one financial building before than. On the way around the seawall there were a couple of bad spots as well, where I thought that maybe assaults or something had occurred, so I sent out "healing waves". Three chocolate chip cookies, a golden apple, and half a bottle of New Zealand Delgato red wine helped me get around, to no ill effects, and I was greeted by some snow dolls on a bench near the end. (Actually I didn't plan to go all the way around but got Lost.) Maybe I will have to read more on dowsing, and see which finger corresponds to water, which to gold, which to true love, which to electric power, which to certain bass notes, and so on. Of course the geoscientist in me says this is a load of icecream, and it is not always repeatable from week to week, so more fumbling will be necessary, at different times of the month/year. For locals, re thee bread thingie (was it Amergin or Taliesin anyway), and Spirit of the West fans and those who have seen Go Fish: "If Venice is sinking... I'm going under..." (Venice is a local bakery, but back Home it is a pizzaria.) David Message fte:241 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:39:58 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:241 Subject: 1. Grammie loss; 2. sacred cows, C-rushes, etc 1. From the latest posts to clari.living.music , I see that Green Day has somehow won over Sarah for the alternative Grammy. Bummer. But then again I don't think she is that alternative, but that depends on what you mean by alternative. (i.e., really she should be winning album of the year or something but I guess that will have to wait until next album.) But get those phone votes in for the Junos! What's the number again? Does modem auto-re-dial work? (Not that I have the $ or modem, no computer allowed in my bedroom, too much bedroom allowed in my computer, but if I get a real job I will have to get a home computer to keep net frivolous activities and work activities nicely separated. But not in the bedroom.) 2. Following on Jason's last post, I came in late to the scorched beef debate and did not realize how acrimonious the tone of the thread had become, and will refrain from regurgitating my vegie conversion thoughts of September. (Actually you can check the archives if you like digging through old rambles, sometimes I wish I could delete _some_ of them from the archives.) Also, Jason, Sarah is not my goddess, she is merely one of my biggest living muses, someone I respect and listen to, someone I (along with far too many others) have a tiny crush on but no real obsession for since I have few delusions that I would ever have a real chance with her, and no delusions about messages meant _just_ for me. Ordinarily such a tiny crush is not a danger but right now I am otherwise crushless (usually inner crushes are multiple and overlapping but don't go anywhere), and thus should try to get crushed soon to avoid writing sappy/tacky spring poetry on here or elsewhere. (What are sea rushes? Oh, the tide in her, eh.) But anyway, for now I will try to view her as a distant muse/friend/sister type and avoid stupid hangups, I've waited through such before (but unfortunately not with weird [n!] women like her) and now, with the illness/blessing and the big Love, have a nice shield/defense against trivial love. Plus I'm actually a bit afraid of ever meeting Sarah, I never did answer the 27 word question. When I refer to the goddess(es) in my posts, I am referring to very large natural resonances which seem to toss me hither and yon, not to actual people or deities but to systems of which we are a part. I don't want to see Sarah caught on a pedestal, and wouldn't go down on my knees to her in a religious sense, unless she was perhaps symbolically representing a larger resonance, as in that "Drawing Down the Moon" book; but in that case the religious and non-religious aspects are kind of muddled up, and the woman is a participant in the "worship", not an object. After all, I am an atheist scientist, right? Oh, the school of hard knockers has moved me somewhat. Sarah isn't always telling us where to go, and if one of her songs was way off base from my solar/planetary tuned(?) common sense I would say so. So I don't expect everyone on this list to follow her in everything, although the music may work from within, as it has on her. She is not perfect, can improve/change a lot still (I bet), and as we know from the chat question and the vegie thread, may need BeanO occasionally (actually yoghurt helps, too). Perfection is not a desirable state anyway because then there is nowhere to go but down (once I went from top to bottom in 10 seconds, when I thought I knew everything and there was nothing left to know, like instantaneous transport from N--S pole, from infinity to zero on that Riemann apple of spacetime.) :-) Goat's milk is not bad, but I bet ram's isn't very tasty. So make that vegie pizza with FeTa (moon tea? yuck). S-TOP (damn, 2 weeks ago I was seeing that on signs everywhere :-) David D p.s. trivia: in the summer of 1980, at age 16, I was vegetable cook at the then best restaurant in St. John's, and got to cook for stars of the movie Whale for a Killing. Once a vegetarian came in and I got to do a whole vegie plate, and they sent compliments to the chef! (It was mushroom caps, carrots sauted in butter and thyme, potatoes sauted with parsley, baked hald tomato, baked stuffed green pepper, or something like that.) p.p.s. I still don't have my web page up, but if anyone is often in a university library and wants to see a picture of me, there is a 5-year-ago one on p. 837 of IEEE Trans. AP Vol. 38, TK 5700 I621 AP in our library, along with an old professional bio, although I haven't moved much from there, except for a touch more and less silver. But one of these days I will get the sysadmin to give me access to/show me how to use the scanner and get around to making a web page resume or the like. l.i.p.s. smooch, smack, and all that. no poems in me this week, though. Message fte:242 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 1:17:22 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:242 Subject: green day / truncated post My last post was again somehow truncated (at least my returned copy, with all material from "Perfection is not a desirable state anyway because then there is nowhere to go bu|" on deleted by the listserv, satellite or whatever. There wasn't much content in that tail but I will take the cuts as a sign to make taste adjustments, condense and repost, so the edited tail is attached below, after a new green day note. --------------------- Re: green day --- since this is Year of the Pig, in Latin that means green D won, but I am not all that green in environmental or most other senses, and am wearing nothing green today. But the St. Patrick's Day full moon will be the real green day, day to avoid green beer and green hangovers. Was there a green (k)night, of the round table? I would guess Gawain but forget. Seriously, I heard Green Day once when a bartender coerced me into playing her CD (she said "really we should have different music on in between the live sets" and gave me a free beer), they are OK but nowhere near as good as Sarah. But maybe they fit the category better and/or have bigger numbers in 1994 in the US. Oh, and Gorecki is coming to town on Monday to hear the VSO do his famous Sorrowful Song Symphony or whatever it's called, or so I read in Tuesday's Globe and Mail in the coffee room. ------------------------ Now here is the edited tail that got chopped out of at least _my_ copy of the last post, on being crushed by the grammie loss. -------------------------- (new: Perfection is not a definable state, it is relative, and dances away.) Perfection is not a desirable state anyway because then there is nowhere to go bu|t down (once I went from top to bottom in no time, when I thought I knew everything and there was nothing left to know, like instantaneous transport from N--S pole, from infinity to zero on that Riemann apple of spacetime.) :-) David D p.s. I still don't have my web page up, but if anyone is often in a university library and wants to see a picture of me, there is a 5-year-ago one on p. 837 of IEEE Trans. AP Vol. 38, TK 5700 I621 AP 1990 in library code, along with an old professional bio, although I haven't moved much from there, except for a touch more and less silver. But one of these days I will get the sysadmin to give me access to/show me how to use the scanner and get around to making a web page resume or the like. p.p.s. vegie trivia: in the summer of 1980, at age 16, I was vegetable cook at the then best restaurant in St. John's, and got to cook for stars of the movie Whale for a Killing, among others. Once a vegetarian came in and I got to do a whole vegie dinner, and s/he sent compliments to the chef! (It was mushroom caps, carrots sauted in butter with thyme, potatoes sauted in oil with parsley, baked half tomato, baked stuffed green pepper, steamed brocolli, steamed beans and scented basmati rice, or something like that.) S TOP (I keep seeing that on signs everywhere, too bad the Grammie voters didn't!) And now, since it is after midnight, I will begin my ribald poetic parody of all the songs, beginning with Message fte:243 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:26:29 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:243 Subject: media notes: 69, Hip pie, Dickie Dee Here are some notes from elsewhere. I am leaving my list mail unread (except for some SF notes) until Saturday or Sunday so don't expect major replies until then. 1. straight from the hip-pie First, Fumbling Towards Ecstasy is now in its 69 th week on the Georgia Straight album chart, hope it makes it to at least 2 years. Next, a quote from Karen Woods' review in yesterday's Georgia Straight of a recent Tragically Hip (a la moderne?) concert" "...Every venue on this tour has sold out. I don't know how many people that is altogether, but they would probably populate a small city. I've seen the Tragically Hip twice in the States, both times in clubs that held 500 or less. I suppose that should make me feel lucky, but it's just not the same thing. In such small venues, you don't get to hear 10,000 people laughing when the madman mangles Sarah McLachlan's _Possession_ just for the hell of it." And recently on Usenet, I think on alt.music.canada but I can't seem to find it again so maybe it was cancelled, someone posted a flame bait remark to the effect that Sarah McLachlan and Gord Downie are very, very close personal friends, even using a word that I can link to the year of the pig, and to medusa ink. I wonder if his middle initial is O? Oh, I just looked, and here is the original note from alt.music.tragically-hip, which I saw someone refer to on alt.music.s-mclachlan. It is obviously another flamebait speculation; the list of rumoured partners continues to grow. JB> From: bak@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Bak) JB> Newsgroups: alt.music.tragically-hip JB> Subject: The Hip and Ms. Mclachlan JB> Date: 1 Mar 95 21:57:53 GMT JB> Organization: Simon Fraser University JB> When the new album came out I was reading through the list of JB> credits and acknowledgements when I noticed Sarah Mclachlan's name. JB> This made me wonder if there was some sort of relationship between her JB> and the band, either creative or personal. After seeing the show in JB> Vancouver on Feb. 25, I've become even more curious. Just before New JB> Orleans is Sinking he sort of mockingly tried to sing a few verses of JB> an off key Sarah Mclachlan song. Obviously there's just got to be JB> some sort of connection there, I mean hey, he SUNG some of her SONG. JB> I bet he (Gordo) is doinking her... JB> JAsoN That word just makes me laugh, else I wouldn't have repeated that. Who would ever use that word in a conversation? 2. DD IC On CBC-AM (BC) Almanac (lunch radio) today, they had a debate between a Dickie Dee (ice cream vendors) representative and a city hall representative, over a new restriction on ice cream vendor noise. When it was over, guess what they played. -------- David "what can you say, i'm hiding in the belfry, how can you say, I wanna catch time how can you say you know anything about me [you guys know too much] because I knew about you" ---Tanita Tikaram "look my eyes are just hollow grounds, look your love has drawn right from my hands ... cup of tea, time to think... you pig out and you see the light" ----- Tanita Tikaram (on Ancient Heart) p.s. good yoga last night, and later I woke from what must have been a nice dream in the depths of night (4--5? or so) with a nice warm glow and eenergy, but this time it didn't develop into anything further today so no poems or the like. But I never remember my dreams. Hey, for the cow thread, those rice dream thingies are not bad. Message fte:244 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 18:33:47 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:244 Subject: Nettwerk 10th anniversary concert notes Well, I wouldn't call this a review, just an attempt at transcribing my own handwriting in the dark the other night, with some added stuff from memory (I of course put away my notebook during the last set). I will probably tidy it up a lot before sending it to ecto and alt.music.s-mclachlan, if ever. On the way to the concert, I was feeling quite good, with some nice chi waves in the back of the bus as we moved over the bridge. But once I entered the Vogue concert hall this faded quickly, the air in the balcony was quite warm, stuffy and dead, plus perhaps the acoustics were not giving me the right harmonics. Still, I did enjoy the concert and had some mild effects, which I won't describe (or will I?) during the later sets. But I don't think I will get a balcony seat there again, the air must have been better down below. Over the course of the night there was a video retrospective, with video clips from various artists, during the set breaks, plus some semi-acoustic sets from special guests. I could have done without the videos, although they did give me a chance to hear other nettwerk artists, but not rest my eyes and reorient to directions other than straight ahead during the breaks. Plus the one strange artist I liked the most I managed to miss their/her name both times (two videos). Single Gun Theory videos didn't impress me too much, they were not projecting. Sarah's Hold On video came on when I was on my way to the washroom, I paused but the usher shoo-ed me off the stairs, saying "you don't want to see this" (not really, she said to sit down but I decided to wait for the real thing, not coke but she sure cooks (me). I've lost my program or it is on my fridge, but here goes. The first special guest was Ralph the beat poet, who you can check out on the nettwerk www site, I think. I forget his last name. Naturally there were backing musicians. It was entertaining but lacked a hit, or smelled of an era of too many hits. The poetry was more framed by the beats than born of the beats. Cute, but no tears. Still I think I would check it out again, in a more intimate venue, perhaps Reading Railroad or Tongue of the Slip, and also later at night. The first act always is the hardest spot, although I bet following Sarah would be harder. So may the beat go on. The first feature act was Brainbox. They sounded mildly interesting at first but I got bored after a little while, however those of you who like spacy instrumental dance music should check them out. It sounded like background music for some space cop show, mildly interesting, with the twisted edge that would be bad for me if I was in a mixed state (when I have enough edge, and need safe curves). I couldn't hear the drums very well, and the keys were piercing, but I think that was intentional. But by doing that the coupling between rhythm section and keys is lost. Of course, a drum machine could be programmed to spawn off the keys somehow, or the other way around, or even a back and forth interplay, with control slipping. It was OK for a while but wore quickly. All instrumental and without much direction or building of momentum. And there were no twinges, or maybe one, in the late stage they did some pseudo-whale noises and I felt a cool breeze effect. Anyway, they would be OK dance music for those of you who like one-purpose music, but this wasn't a dance. And I can get spaced out quite nicely by myself. The second special guest act was Taste of Joy and I liked them, although again the bass wasn't coming through to me. I liked them enough that I may check them out opening for Art Bergmann if it hasn't sold out by the time I get around to getting ticket(s), probably at the door. They looked a bit tired though so I tried to send them some energy (yeah, sure). Maybe there was a good party Friday. The second feature act was Mystery Machine (who's Miss Terry?). I was quite impressed with the rhythm section this time, especially the drummer, maybe his kit sounded crips too but I forgot to check the kit name. The first song was garagish, but they are a cooking, tight band. I couldn't make out the lyrics until I shaped my ear to recieve them, and the singer could use some more singing lessons for proper flow, less reading effect, and the other guys should learn harmony. But they are young and I think they have a lot of potential if they play their cards right. I think they must have missed that party. Oh, despite the good rhythm section, in my seat I wasn't getting any sub-bass. Also they still have too much wank-off-ishness and not enough use of space/intensity-building/transition but again they are young and may grow out of it. The song title "Horn of Plenty" made me laugh, next to it I wrote down "horn of plain tea" but don't think that is the only reason. The song endings need work, they sort of peter out instead of coming to a strong climax (next to this I had something writen down "lyrics/?????" but can't read it). Then there was a speech, patting everyone on the back for a job well started. The third feature act was Rose Chronicles. They had a much cleaner sound than when I heard them at UBC, but again, where I was sitting the lyrics were very hard to make out; perhaps this could be helped by doing seperate and complementary EQs and effect parameter setting for voice and r.o.b. (rest of band), the voice content zone and instruments EQ overlap too much, so that there is tension, unlike with Sarah, when the band is really there to back her up, plus her voice has a wider content zone (what the hell do I mean by that?). So anyway, I f-ing hate straining to hear lyrics, I'm not always able to make my own up. Also I found that Kristy sometimes did not project quite enough, was in a little bit of a shell, and perhaps could use more work on singing without a mic, i.e., opera style lessons. But probably that; that the voice was not in ear and brain at the same time, was due to the EQ overlap and the fact that I was not familiar with the music and so could not anticipate and sing along internally as I can (and indeed must) do with 'sm. So anyway, I think a band should back up and complement a singer and not overpower her, and that good lyrics can transform a mediocre band into a good one, for me. Still, I liked them, and may get the recording, but don't plan to strain live again soon (oh, but my CD player just died). They were seething but had no higher dimensional projection??? Oh, another reason I was getting down, as well as the bad air, was the sit down venue, I guess I hate getting squished into a little space, depending on who is squishing me. I was on the aisle but people were continually going by, and the guy to my right seemed to need more than his share of space, so I was twisted to the left, and oddly enough my usual tendency is to twist to the right, and put my heart side forward, a little too often, in kitchen or computer chair. So I wish I had gotten the seat on the other side of the aisle as planned. (Now, that is crazy, right?) Plus the hot, stuffy, dark balcony was putting me to sleep. The next special guest was singer/songwriter Tara McClean, who is featured on a compilation CD to benefit Rape Crisis Centres in Canada, maybe that will get promoted around International Women's Day. Anyway, she was good, sounded almost as good as some of the acts I book, and I hope to hear her in a more intimate venue someday. She was backed by Ash Sood and Stephen Nikleva, and got a very warm response from the audience. I didn't write down any details though. Then Kristy Thirsk did an acoustic version of Fleetwood Mac's Songbird and I heard her clearly, she is a good singer but still, for me, somehow she sounds as though she is behind a wall, needs to open up and project. Probably it is just something in the inflection, an upturn or downturn. Or maybe it was just that it is supposed to be a sad song. The next feature act, Ginger, had some minor technical difficulties in the first song and seemed a bit uptight at first, I thought Ginger could use a little ale :-). (Or what about that flu cure: garlic behind the ear, ginger up the rear no that's for racehorses, who often come to a fine finish after a slow start) Also during the first song I was not too impressed with the rhythm section, but that was because the song was an intense fast one, difficult to sing and play bass at the same time. But they rock, I like them better than I did the Grapes of Wrath. Then, later, I said that the above was actually not true, the bass/drum work in the later songs was very good, and also some exemplary disctinctive slide guitar work, it might be nice to overlap the slides somehow. But the keyboard wasn't cutting through to me, it may have been a location thing. I thought at first that singer Tom Hooper was just laying the lyrics there, not projecting, just saying admire these and not making you admire them. But he/theyt had good stage presence, and then later in the set he seemed to loosen up and really project. I guess that is the problem of 20 minute sets with short sound checks early in the night. Oh, and one note I made was that he could sing slow songs with more emotion, but that is often the case. This ginger would start the rocking horse. The song Ocean Dream impressed me --- gentle waves, followed by a pacific storm, then a fading, then, just as we thought it was over, an atlantic storm. I forget if there were gentle waves at the end, or if there is an end. The video for this could be good, waves of love, waves of sea, the sun rises in her eys, the tide rises in her thighs, my heart rises with her smiles... Earlier on Sat I had walked at Kits at high tide, later I would walk there near low tide looking for markings in the sand, and soothing the heart. During the song, and maybe during the next set, I linked with the beach (I had said to the sea "come with me to the concert") and also with a furious Atlantic outflow wind of last Jan.6. Anyway, on Sunday we got a good wind storm, of course not as strong as the one on avalon but for here OK, it perked me up and held my sleep to 3--4 hours (back to 7--8 last night, no worry). Oh, back to Ginger, at one point I also visualized the 5-some as at points of a 5-star (apple sliced sideways) or pentagram (cabal of 5 grandmothers, I wonder if Ginger all have grandmothers with the same first name), this was in the pounding storm at the tail end of O.D. OK, now, on to what you've been waiting for. Sarah's set was great, rocking from the start since the 20 minute sets give no time for the usual acoustic foreplay, it was like a relaxed jam-ish set in front of the hometown crowd, replete with the usual crys, flowers, proposals. Sarah was glowing, dressed casually but looking very much the woman, the embodiment of natural health, well rested and smiling at almost every chance. I most definitely take back the castrato remark, not that I ever really meant it, so I guess all my other unfounded fears can leave me now as well? I also take back the "only her hairdresser knows" comment, she obviously hasn't cut that beautiful mane of hair in a goodly enough while. It would be scarilege to cut that down to waif length again, although probably would take a while for one to wash. Anyway, she moist definitely has changed for the better since I first saw her at the Town Pump, the shy talented waif with the pale face and mournful eyes; now she glows in audiovisual+ . Also she had a beautiful rug spread out under her feet (I don't think she was barefoot though, and thus converted the whole room, by magic carpet ride) into her living room. Anyway, that was just for those of you who like to talk about her appearance. Now, during her set I put away the notebook, and didn't write down the set list, so much of this is from memory. She did Possession first, a rocking version, I didn't sing along inside but just listened. At the very beginning her voice sounded a little strange, and I thought, oh, no, she has a cold.... no, she's hung... but that disappeared after the first couple of words/notes, really it was just a hook to get the audience to pay attention, something different to make them listen, and then she hit us with the waves of voice. Then she did Elsewhere, Good Enough (dedicated to Earth Day, and I also dedicated it inside as well to International Women's Day March 8), and it sure was good enough, but I suddenly felt not good enough (to finish my thesis?). Then she did Hold On, I made sure to stay put for this one, never move for those thorns of acupuncture (but dance to the piper)??????? At one point I was mildly cooked (by bass waves) in the seat, but not as much in the hands as I have been when I'm up close doing sound, e.g., Wingnuts' or other bass players with good amps or something. Again my location was such that I mustn't have been getting much sub-bass or perhaps it was coming from above instead of below. And for Sarah, sometimes her voice and the guitar (at one point I said to myself "I'd like to be that guitar right now") also fry me. So it isn't just the bass, it must be something else, tuning or chords or whatever (chords with a hook?). They suffered from none of the problems I mentioned with the eearlier bands. I noticed the guitar solos a little more than last time, and the keyboards a bit less, though. At the end, Sarah did an impromptu encore duet with Tom Hooper of Ginger, of the musical virus Girl From Ipanini (I forget how to spell it). It is one of those tunes that can run through your head for hours if you let it take hold, but you can't remember the lyrics. "The girl from ipanini goes walking, and when she's walking, she's ????, and then she goes to the sea" or something. It was silly but they did a great job together, the audience ate it up, and then the videos usehered us out. After I left, maybe because of the bad air and ardent crowd, I felt down, so I took (oh yeah) my Nettwerk free grab bag containing posters, postcards and a RC CD single, and went on home, stuck some LPs and tapes on (my CD player is at least temporarily dead, although I will hook up my portable shortly and attempt the rub or something on the big one) and then, not after midnight, but after 12:30 (Newfoundlander) I went on down to the beach and on impulse off to the Railway for last call. That was a mistake because the band was rude and ended early, before I got there. Still, I had a ginger ale and an odd owl's (O'Doul's), showed a loon to the owl before tipping it to the beartender, and rushed home perked up by the people (whereas sometimes they would have irritated me). Oh, and to prevent the virus from taking hold, on the beach I invoked an anti-virus --- I went "Val ree Val ra, ...." for a second and it worked. So maybe valerian and sunshine is a cure for brAIDS or is that bra-ids. Anyway, she didn't have breads Sat, just sweet breaths tuned to soul D, not mould. I was rapt as she rapped and wrapped me up, but it was con-sensual, no can oil, eh (besides Ferron says don't use oil). Some random notes from later: tea and oranges ---- tea = hot matrix, oranges=crystal, all the way from china=tunnel through the earth, related to flowers and granite, also due to the piezoelectric effect seismic or acoustic waves can cause localized temperature and other variations in the crystal matrix, which could act like a computer chip in a way. So, that still doesn't solve the transportation problem.??? the meaning of five --- is there perhaps an unstable isotope of lithium containing three protons and two neutrons? From a quick glance in geochemistry books there seems to be no mass five isotope but a mass 6 and 7. Perhaps the mass 5 is a transition unstable catalyst for an important unknown nuclear reaction (ha). Also perhaps the lower percentage isotope (I think 6) may be more important for mood disorder control than the other one, so by separating out the small factor isotope people could be treated without having the adverse side effects. Does the small factor isotope come from the sun only whereas the other is a secondary daughter product in the earth? Or is it the other way around? And what does that have to do with the price of tea in Murchie's. (I don't know why, but that last word is important, I had to break the china, probably I'm being had again given the time of the month.) David, now hugry, so bye. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- Earth science doctoral student ---- -- -- and Thea's/Koerner's (UBC grad centre) music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:245 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:53:28 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9503050140.AA01806@bombur> Message-ID: fte:245 Subject: Re: Universal and new song Jeff Lester wrote: >6) The new song is wonderful. I think it's Far From Grace, rather than Fall >>From Grace only because it seems to fit the context better, hard to really >tell what she's singing. My take on the lyrics: >Far from grace >Far from grace >It's better this way >But like she said, it's still a work in progress. She plays it solo at the >piano. Yeah, it sounds unfinished, or perhaps she will pair it with a following uplifting song, sort of like the way FTE follows Fear on FTE. A new song! I wonder if Mount Baker is sold out. I think it could be fall from grace (i've taken a fall from grease before). Did John ever collect a fart from Grace? (sorry, I leave that to volcanologists) Not up to my usual standards today; as Sarah would say, I was hung this morning, mixing red wine and black cherry cider last night to 3:30 a.m. at a private party to celebrate the PaperBoys CD release; I'll review it for alt.music.canada soon. Maybe I'll comment on those lyrics again after I get some food. David Message fte:246 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:31:40 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:246 Subject: gracefull fall of nec.king swan? dark Ness: [related to uptight Ness? let go of S-tress?] if you want me to g.o. i'll g.o. ... [all the whey, and curDs, my loves] fall, from G race [so much D(g)enieD] floating, free fall [Airborne apple plummets] o v gee, Ohh.. (be) well, come(ly) [will fix] -------- I'll merge right/left and fix it up some Spring day (although this morning it felt like spring, despite being hung from crushed grapes ["Delegats" wine = "stage leD" backwarDs] and the like). Hey, it almost went into an S shape by accident, so I guess I'll call it a work in P.R. ogre S?? (sn)Oops. :-) <--- DRD p.s. Now, time to organize myself ---> my S elf, so everyone has an S elf inside, laugh a bit and let it out, feel those Love waves (in seismology there are two types of surface waves, Love and Rayleigh waves, plus a similar interface wave, Stonely waves. These do the most damage when the earth moves. They show an elliptical motion (like the curl of [p]hair) and really set buildings to rocking, horses, or are you doubting dilletante thomases). Wow, that went in a loop and surprised me; the paperboys have a song called Rocking Horse and the lead singer is Tom Landa, but of course I was talking about Dylan, and the Rolling S-tone, blowing in her wind (voice!). But the tunes on the paperboys CD that move me the most are the opening and closing tracks, "She Said" (everything's going to be all right), on which I sing in the closing chorus at subliminal levels; and "Devil Away", a song against domestic violence, although the rest, including some killer instrumentals, is definitely not shabby either. If you want a more detailed review ask me off list, or check alt.music.canada in the next few days. +I take back the remark about the "fart of Grace", I was tired, it probably should be anagram-ized to the "rage of craft" or "craft of rage", not denied, so don't hold on to those f-arts, let the creative inner s-elf out! ??? Sarah content? 100% (at least I hope she is, are you all telling her to use the force still, even without her rug? Hey, I haven't read Steppenwolfe in a long time.) HS shhhhhhhhh Message fte:247 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:48:16 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9503050140.AA01806@bombur> Message-ID: fte:247 Subject: F-all fr.om G-race I'll try seriously commenting on the new song, without having heard it (when I said it sounds unfinished I meant that there must be a happy ending, or rather not ending). Jeff Lester typed in the lyrics by ear, so I will maybe make some minor changes, as I am wont to do (remember my compilation tapes). I was tempted to parody it a bit, but from reading it it is a very deep, emotional song, reads a bit like the last track, Devil Away (with guest cello), on the paperboys new cd, so I will refrain, except perhaps to turn the worm. This song sounds like that monster in the closet, the bit of song that one finally has strength to bring forth, or another voice of earth, forsaken by man, subducting, alone. (So maybe it could be about a subduction earthquake, among other things.) Actually I've changed my mind, I can't play with this yet, it's too personal, and disquieting, so I'll wait until I hear her do it, probably not for quite a while since I doubt I'll make Mount Baker (is that a dormant volcano?). But one thought I had was the song that goes "i am the last of the great whales, and I am dying", notably the Eileen McGann version, thinking of the last mother whale, separated from pod, from song, going down, but hopefully to find that new voice, like in that Star Trek movie with Spock and company; pockmarks on the soul, thorn seeds for new light. When all else fails, say f-all, grace, and dance through to new light, airs and graces??? It also reminds me of the stories of people who commit suicide when going on Prozac, because the Prozac lifts their energy before their mood, and they now have enough energy to off themselves whereas before they couldn't lift a finger. That strikes some chords with me, I hope I am well away from such problems and want to help others avoid them. The "it's better this way" sounds like a line on a suicide note. (This is just one of several linked interpretations, and of course if it is put on an album should be followed by appropriate tracks to lift people out of it.) And the way it is sung can make all the difference; it must be very hard to sing, be very proud, and send those audience virtual hugs up to the singer, rooting and expanding that raisin-ing aura dome [hula hoop of red energy around the base chakra, root, earth blue dome around third eye and top flower, expanding, clearing golden torc around/below thyroid chakra, bridging, healing. etc?]. Oh, shit. I'm too warped for my own good, and now I'm a Touch down, but I have the bounce, and will just listen to something from FS, and find that warm gulf stream in the undertow, or the acoustic midlayer waveguide carrying sound from far away, across the greta divide. (I left that typo) How has she introduced it so far? D D -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- geophysics doctoral student ---- --- -- and Thea's (UBC grad centre) volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:248 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 3:18:18 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:248 Subject: extra volume today (of h. air) I posted more than usual tonight since I had left my fte-reading pile up for a few days, thus don't expect to see multiple posts from me every day, just on one of the two weekend days. Also I have been tending to send staggered multiple short posts rather than one big long mess. Again, those who don't like my posts, do a delete from=dalton on receipt, don't read them. Some on the list, for some weird reason, seem to like a good chunk of my writhing. On any list or newsgroup, you won't want to read every post, on the net, as everywhere, most is junk, but one person's junk can give someone else transport. Given that, the recent unfinished poem" was pretty bad, I should have just saved it until I finish it, ditto with the hung fart post. (I paid for that Beano remark). So you all now probably think I'm a fart and deserve to be hung by the crushed grapes? That reminds me of the Newfoundland standby, grapenut ice cream. d'Ouch! If you want highbrow writing, I can give it to you, but I'd rather avoid the whole e.g.o. trip thing, and just be mySelf, try not to post more than once a day on average, and try to include at least some dry content at the top of the slippery posts. David p.s. at yoga Thursday we made extensive use of straps, and I think my teacher smirked a tiny bit at me when she said straps, plus we had to tie a reefer knot and I had trouble getting it undone after. Also in elementary school I got the strap from the nuns once, for playing in the snow and missing the bell; in Catholic schools "get the strap" has nasty connotations. I'd rather think about the kind that close in front or back, or strapless unmentionables. Could be a poem in there, but not at 3 a.m. in normal mood, alone, at "work". Take of me what you will, but leave the rest, for the vultures. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- geopsychic d'octoral stud ent ---- --- -- and Thea's (UBC grad centre) volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:249 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:13:16 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <1B5841178DA@hcflab.humnet.ucla.edu> Message-ID: fte:249 Subject: Re: Sarah McLachlan article Good SMarticle, worth repeating. Here is another little article that my e-friend Joy Ikelman of my other main list sent me, I'm not sure if it is a quote or the whole article, if it is not the whole article and you have it, feel free to post it, as long as its not an articicle :-) . Oh, it looks like the wrong birthyear below, not sure if that is Joy's or Time's doing, of 69. Joy! SARAH MCLACHLAN (b. 1969) Joy! Source: "Glimmers of Ectasy," by David Thigpen; Time Magazine, Joy! 21 March 1994 Joy! "Beneath the placid surfaces of Sarah McLachlan's songs runs Joy! an emtional torrent. As her piano and lonesome guitar sketch Joy! folk-rock tunes of elegant simplicity, McLaclan sings vivid tales Joy! of long gone wrong, of troubled souls grappling with infatuation, Joy! rejection and other extreme conditions of the heart... Joy! Growing up in Halifax, Nova Scotia, McLachlan was a shy, Joy! awkward child who never fell in with the crowd. By her teens, Joy! accomplished on guitar and piano, she would kill time on long, Joy! frozen winter nights writing songs. McLachlan's background gives Joy! only partial clues to her emotion-laden style. "I write in an Joy! instinctual way that can apply to anyone who's fallen in or out Joy! of love or felt lost and hopeless," she says. Joy! Now 25 (1994), McLachlan cuts a refreshing lyrical path Joy! against the rage pervading society by suggesting that the answers Joy! to life's emotional earthquakes can come through perseverance and Joy! compassion. ...At such moments McLachland holds out hope for the Joy! desperately troubled. "To work through this stuff and come out on Joy! the other side," she says, "That's the ecstasy."" Joy! ------------------------------------------------------------ That last typo (of Joy's, I guess) was a good one given who her producer is, which Joy probably didn't know, but who I hope knows joy. McLachland to avoid the undertow (the musical island, liferaft in the time of icicles). David p.s. semi-frivolous: So her mother's name is Dorice; I don't remember seeing that spelling before. Anybody know her "maiden" name, which wasn't mentioned in the article that Anna posted? Oh, in my vegie cook (one level above dishwasher) snippet, I forgot to mention that there was wild rice mixed in with the basmati. d'or,ice=of gold and diamonds, or maybe the door of knowledge under the icecaps. The doors of friendship open with the sound of ice breaking (last week someone broke a glass and I said "the night wouldn't be complete without the sound of ice breaking"). For the french, is that related to glace cherries or glasses of sherry? Last night I posted more than usual both due to the mail backlog, which I already mentioned, and the fact that upgrading LaTeX took much longer than intended so I had time to kill in the other window. I left at 3:30 a.m. What's between LA and Texas? (I'll check the buss [s-bus] sched., or is that as the raven flies, so check the map, for rivers? What a business!) I wonder if Paula and Sarah jam on some Peter tunes on the bus. There is a Peter thread on alt.support.depression now. Guess I've just got the gift of gab, Riel (time for me ti, red rose). anyone know if Leeson of BaringS was manic or just a desparate young fool? He is 28, I think. I'm off to supper and promise not to post again until inspired. DD Message fte:250 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 16:30:42 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Gina Musil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:250 Subject: Re:Universal and new song Hi Gina; you wrote >It will probably be polished up by it sounds beautiful as is. Well you >will hear soon enough, right? Maybe not, since this is a tight month, my student loan is mostly gone and I shouldn't spend any of the money my brother is sending me on one or two Mount Baker tickets. I figured I could make only one of the Mount Baker and 10th Anniversary shows. I have a high credit limit on my plastic but try not to use it much, unlike some of my support group friends who long ago had to tear up their cards. >Good news on the Nettwerk anniversary >video. Cool. In between sets they showed a video retrospective, with sample bits of videos from the past, I hope they include this. >Obsinities come to mind actually. I am glad so many people enjoyed my >message. I actually enjoyed writing it, but I was so stoked. Too bad about that. (But I like that word, "stoked" :-), or even with an added r in either place.) David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- geophysics doctoral student ---- --- -- and Thea's (UBC grad centre) volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:251 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:18:50 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Jason In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:251 Subject: Spawned Dadaism Hi Jason; I haven't yet checked out dadaism, will have to pop into the UBC fine arts library soon, I guess my word play gave me a clue to do so. I'll drop you a line when I do so, or mention it in a tail end of a post, or both. David Message fte:252 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:18:34 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HNUV4MM8G200DP6O@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:252 Subject: FRIV: Re:Houston Chronicle article John wrote: >Jennifer wrote: >>And watch out for "Sarah-mania." I sure hope not! Hypomania is fun, though. (Is that relate to the tragic pie a la mode thread?) >This is the one where she stopped a song halfway through ("Into >the Fire") to go into the audience to take a spitwad shooter >away from a guy. Reminds me of Sister Christine in school. Or, can you say "Bobbit"? Regarding John's other post: >fucking awesome who's A Sum? I'm more derivative (dd). Oh, dd-->44, add ones. >local women Most women are low cal if you just nibble. Also, is Ben and Jerry's made at local factories or at a central plant? ----- David, posting from the building with two scoops on top and strong vibration meters in the lobby (Geophysics and Astronomy) Message fte:253 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:07:15 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:253 Subject: semiFRIV: Gemini award, dadaism As Lane has already said, Sarah won a Gemini award. But the Globe and Mail (of Monday) spelled her first name wrong, twice, as Sara, but spelled her last name right. Did they spell her first name wrong on the televised Gemini awards show? Regarding the Ol' 55 sum mentioned in my last post: DEFINE dada DEFINITION 0 Da-da or da-da or Da-da-ism n. A western European artistic and literary movement (1916-23) that sought the discovery of authentic reality through the abolition of traditional cultural and aesthetic forms by a technique of comic derision in which irrationality, chance, and intuition were the guiding principles.[Fr]-Da'da-ist n.-Da'da-is'tic adj. Wow, that sounds partly like me, but of course I don't believe in "authentic" reality or abolition. I know nothing of dadaism, yet, and my art sucks, I tried watercolour once and got a lopsided teapot, which I semi-signed with the odd label X95, and this was about 1978--80. It is still on my bedroom wall in Newfoundland, along with an abstract woodcut print that I may look at closer next time I'm home. But body fingerpainting with edible paints sounds like fun, then you can make your own shroud of tourin' artwork sheets. Regarding the Gemini Award (may it be twinned soon): I always knew there was a gem in I, my soon-5 (Apr 24) niece Ellen even sent me a picture of a rainbow heart a while ago, along with her pink plastic butterfly hair tie, a tiny white bunny, a red felt heart with an orange H, pictures of daisies, and pictures of swans, not all in the same letter. (So I'd better start writing real mail instead of this stuff to you.) Oh, the red heart is now on the sleeve of my winter jacket liner, although at new years I had it at heart, red on green, above the (A) in a rainbow NEWFOUNDLAND, to look like New.Found.L.Hand., instead of my blue moose t-shirt, which Ellen's mother and Ellen's daughter (Lorraine) Anne had also sent me. Yeah, sure. Candle with hair, handle with care. (actually in the bath, in case of mishaps the candle just does a dive bomb, I tried that with the shooter candles, incidentally at full moon) ------ DD (off to play in a doubles pool tourney, if I can pick up a partner. Last night on one break I put all the yellow balls down, which broke a jinx I was having with the 9-ball last week, I hope, and I played much better with S.R.V. music on, worse with TV on, I have yet to test F.S.) Message fte:254 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:53:06 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503081743.MAA18994@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: fte:254 Subject: Im: elven sea and Sarah's tuff. B la H Michael Schuster wrote: MS> What about the replies to their messages? Very few people reply to my creative/rambling posts directly. MS> And the flames about their messages? Most flames (and they are relatively few and mild) come directly to me, not to the list, and this is what I would prefer. MS> With the existence of a real newsgroup for Sarah, I too am about ready to MS> dump this mailing list. Even the simple act of wading through the replies MS> to the replies to the flames about Dalton's posts is getting out of hand MS> when my mailbox is so full. None of my posts have been mentioned or quoted in the relevancy thread, it has turned into a personal argument with little substance, and I will not post again to the relevancy thread, indeed may do a "delete subject=relevancy" daily, as many of you no doubt do a "delete from=dalton" or "delete subject=FRIV" or "delete subject=BS:" which would get rid of followups as well. Now, please, get back to discussion of our favourite musical elves, take a deep breath, and ignore the sparks rather than fuelling them. The cardinal rule with flamebait on the net is to ignore it, some people just get off on arguments. [Into the fire... we're reunited? After May bee (after, maybe)] David ------- sig quote for Mar.9: "the geomagnetic field is expected to be quiet to active for the next three days. periods of minor to major storm activity can be expected at all latitudes during local nighttime hours. this forecast is based on a recurrent coronal hole feature that is rotating into a favorable position and the long duration x-ray event observed at 08/0454ut" (so no Corona for me this week :-) Message fte:255 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:06:52 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:255 Subject: Re a: elven sea, rah I'll clarify one point --- I said that I get very few replies to my creative posts; I meant on the list, I have gotten a few good personal e-mail replies to some of my posts, including those on dadaism, the green knight, depression resources, and more (I won't check now). There are at least ten people on the list who really appreciate my posts, many who don't care or like the occasional gem, many who use the delete key or twitfiles, and I guess at least ten who are ticked off. Such is life. But I would not have written the stuff on any other list, even on places such as alt.pagan I tend to be semi-serious, and it is swamped with noise. Ecto, maybe after I get Happy. I try to avoid getting into flame wars, but do take some of the initial flames to heart, rainbow. DD sig ramble: pool --> whale pool --> add red kelp/lower T/adjust acoustics (my banks deserted me on Monday/Tuesday) (Bjossa's calf died shortly after birth) I must be silly to relate the two. Later. Message fte:256 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:24:11 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: "Brewer, Bob" In-Reply-To: <2F5DF3C9@mailbag.des.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: fte:256 Subject: Re:About "She who copulates with swine" Hi Bob; Elana may not see your post since she unsubscribed, although I have invited her back with a private e-mail. Also, this post is not going to the list. >Wow. This is really getting silly. (notice lack of flame-inducing "YOU >FUCKING MORON" verbage) Yes, I agree, and have tried to stay out of it until today. It seems that people are irritable this month. Not me. Flames are best kept off list, direct to me if you like, else I often ignore them, or flame thread, that is sound Usenet advice. But many grab flamebait. If I got really bad very often, or very offensive, and had not Sarah content and no supporters, then of course people could resort to the mail bomb/sysadmin approaches, after first threatening it. (But if anyone tried that right now that would generate an even worse flame war.) >It's just somewhat inconsiderate to post behemoth >off-topic posts. I only do the really behemoth ones when I am fucked up, as in early January with the 35773 byte one. >It's cyclic. David gets flamed a little and quiets down >for a while. No, it's cyclic for me because bipolar illness is cyclic, and hence my creative periods and low energy periods are cyclic to some extent, with a small monthly component, a small annual component, a solar cycle component, and when they all line up I may have a spurt of creativity. Of course, with the flame war on I am trying to be good, and not add fuel to the fire, plus when the tour is on there are more Sarah related posts and I don't get bored into trying something foolish. >I thought it had been a little better lately. The BST idea is great. I prefer FRIV since I would like to be left with the delusion that not all of my stuff is bullshit to everyone. >Elana, I, for one, would miss your presence here. You have to expect some >shit about your nom de electron. I thought it rather interesting. (recall >private post from several months ago) Invokes some interesting images. > Comments, David? It evokes for me some images from celtic mythology, such as the sow goddess Cerridwen, or the transformation of Gwydion and Gilfaethy into pigs for a year by Math. Indeed, at a local member's pub, they had members' art on display and one scuplture had a stag fucking a sow from behind. Gwydion and Gilfaethy were transformed to deer one year as well. But I guess the artist might have been combining the horned god and the sow goddess. David Message fte:257 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:50:59 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503090207.SAA07471@netcom23.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:257 Subject: Re:Sarah Stuff. Woo. Yer Impressed. Elana (she who loves the paBST blue ribbon winner :-) writes: >Okay. So my "might-be-tho-I'm-not-sure" favorite Sarah song, (at the moment) >"hold on" comes on KROQ this morning. I was amazed. Floored. Yeah, hold on really has a hold on me now too, it is one of those quantum/fuzzy songs, I like both the FTE version and the hidden version on FS, but like to try filling in a new word at the end of the FS one. What a crock. >Since most of us are artistic kids (or look to be some semblance thereof), why >don't we do something cool. Like a visual re-interpretations of Sarahsongs That's a great idea, for those with time, but luckily I _shouldn't_ have time and am not in hypomanic mode, when my apartment might become a visual reinterpretation of Sarahsongs (sarongs?) and mmore, to me. >... But Sarah said that she doesn't really believe in >birthday presents given exactly timely. Something like when she sees something >cool, she gives it to the person she wants to give it to. She can give me an ice cream cone any day. But not ice down the back. :-) >I dunno. I think Sarah would be so impresed that something creative came from >her listeners that it would just be cool for her to be able to kick back on >the bus and say, "Wow. My fans have talent! This is neato!" (well, or >something.) And of course, if she gets it from a group, it's not like an obsessed fan, but rather a group obsession, which of course is what every concert seems to be. Must be draining. >Does anybody think she'd be into this? Cathy? Is anybody out there? "just a little pinprick" (no, he's the lover's Lane, mustn't be receding) [that was a pink floyd quote, not flamebait, + hold on ref] David sig: shit, I'm at 1.75 hours of e-mail/net time-wasting and counting! But I did get in by 10 a.m. for the first time in a long time, after watching "washing tears/hunters and bombers" and getting a good meal and early (12:30) night last night. Message fte:258 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:57:40 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HNW7UBG4LY00E62C@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:258 Subject: crushed flames John wrote: >When has Dalton ever flamed anyone? Ouch! Lately I just get crushed. :-) I think I once flamed some NY guy who posted to alt.pagan saying he was a supreme master or something and that young beautiful white women should contact him for personal lessons, or the like, but usually I try to heal, or ignore. But I bet some people get flamed up by my posts, in the good sense. D Message fte:259 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:35:19 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: "Brewer, Bob" In-Reply-To: <2F5F5B98@mailbag.des.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: fte:259 Subject: mythology/bipolar Hi Bob; here's a quick reply: you wrote: >I'm not familiar with bipolar illness. Fill me in, would you? Bipolar mood disorder is another, less stigmatises name for manic depression, since it conveys some indication of a spectrum of symptoms/intensities, whereas when most people hear the term manic depression they think of the worst cases at their worst times, as publicised by the media. Many successful bipolars do not "come out", so people hear about the worst cases. But some, such as Ted Turner, Patty Duke, Robert Boerstein (sp?, Clinton's aide), and lots of musicians, have come out. A very high proportion of poets, artists and musicians are bipolar. Some bipolars have major problems with overspending, having indiscriminate sex when high, irritability, even violence, long periods of depression, or rapid cycling of mood, but luckily I get none of that, just some low energy periods, 1--2 periods each year lasting maybe 5 days each in which I am very mystical and creative and poetic, other periods when it is lower level and controllable (i.e., I can tap the creativity if I need to) and 1--2 periods, about 162 days before the creative periods, when I am introverted, inward irritable, sensitive to the environment, and must take care to avoid alcohol. I cannot predict the second type yet, so avoid alcohol 1--8 days before full moon every month even though most months it is probably safe. But once I observe something unusual before full moon, I can then predict a good (at least when it is damped by low level lithium) high 5.5 lunar months later. Most bipolars do not show such a regular pattern, there are probably a few different illnesses within the bipolar classification. But anyway, on a lithium level of 0.6 I do fine, at a higher level (1.0) I was way too flat, later I may drop to 0.4 if I watch my lifestyle/diet/light/exercise/sleep. It has taken a few years, since Sept91 (it often starts in the late 20s, including for many musicians), but things are on track. My other major mailing list is a support one, pendulum, but that has been too busy lately, plus it has its own flame war, plus with a very busy list (3 x FTE) many people needing support I am unlikely to post much frivolity there unless I am out there myself. If you want more info, check out the pendulum www page at http://www.ucar.edu/pendulum/index.html It has a FAQ, I think, and lists of famous dead and living depressives and bipolars. I think Peter Gabriel is listed as bipolar but that may not be right, it is based on an old article. >I read a post from Elana this morning so she may be back. She's got balls, >that's for sure. It's good to have her back, and I bet things will quiet down soon. >Where you pick up the Celtic Mythology? Required for Geophysics, is it? Oh, I used to read a lot of SF, and lately have read more poetry, which refers to it, and some old poetry, which is part of the tradition. I also go back into celtic music more in the last five years, and am from Newfoundland. But mainly, some of my experiences with my illness have been almost mystical, and show strong parallels with some myths. Even by reading some bardic poetry I can pick out some numbers, such as the 162 days mentioned above, and many tales of transformation such as the pig one I mentioned are like changes in mood. (This transformation was also preceded by the unearthly chill wind of Math, which I think is a thyroid malfunction chill preceding mood change.) The ancient druids were natural philosophers, and encoded their info in poems and myths through the oral tradition, although much has been lost or misunderstood. David Message fte:260 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:22:22 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503081439.AA10516@ecom3.ecn.bgu.edu> Message-ID: fte:260 Subject: Re: Sheesh..... Michael P., MP, wrote: > First off, what's the scoop on the CD-ROM Freedom Sessions? Last I >heard, it was going to be stored on part of the music CD. Yes, it is the first track on the CD, the audio tracks, which can be played on a normal CD player, follow. There is a FAQ about this, compiled by Nettwerk. I wrote a pre-review and plan to tidy it up, add more notes and repost to here and Usenet just before the US release date (when is that). >[yelps in pain as a stray flame from the Squid nails him in the butt] If my lunar theory is at all correct, the flame and fish wars should fade by Green Day, so wait for solace from the waning of the moon? Then good stuff in 160 days? I think the tour bots have something to do with it. > My only gripe is that the composer >used an American to read it, which results in having some of the words >come out sounding kinda corny (the way he over-emphasizes the 'r' at the >end of the word 'desire' comes to mind). Desiree, oh desiree? I'm drunk in my desire, running through like liQuiD. (I love the way she does this on FS.) D's Ire is missing, or is it ireland, so wait for green day for solace, wait for may day for a ??? >ACK!!! Dalton's returning fire!!!! Gotta run... Friendly fire, I'm typ O, and you are obviously type A, if you gotta run; and I should avoid high cholestral. :-) :-) (But I run from the wrath of gorgeous gorgons.) David Dalton p.s. Michael, good subject tittle, it was an acoustic palindrome, although I should add ear, to get ReShEEshear, which must be to "once again find Ol'55 [ee] in the quiet cut of the moon's blades", or please correct me, offalist [BSer], maybe it is physics related. But it reminds me of a line from my June93 mess-poem, which was: a par fait danSH Z\'est nu f(1) T fore too Which I won't attempt to explain again today. SquiD = S qui D = Entropy decreasing? But entropy always increases in my posts? Oh, call a' Mary, come in(to) the fire, let them eat chocolate cake. (What are the 'Tony awards for?) That was bad. Elana, do you have a recipe for Napoleons? Sweet Maries? cease and thesist! Message fte:261 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 17:13:23 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950312092132_46931660@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:261 Subject: Re:Digest mode Hi Chris; For the last 5 years I have been using ean , which is an X500 mail program developed at UBC and not used many other places. I am considering switching to PINE soon since that is what many people use. But right now I can't answer your question, since I haven't tried pine, elm, eudora and the like. I think some of them have neat features like "twit filters" (similar to killfiles in Usenet news readers), automatic piping of stuff from a list to its own folder (I would like this), and threading of stuff from a list (I would like that). Also some newsreaders will let you read your mail from within them. I use the gnus reader inside emacs, and may try its mail reading extension (which adds to emacs Rmail mode, I think) if I ever shift over to the sendmail format (which most mail readers use but ean does not). I would suggest asking a local guru who has experience with the mail programs. Else look in comp.mail.misc; comp.mail.elm; comp.mail.pine; and the like, for a FAQ file (Frequently asked questions). This should also be in news.answers and stored at rtfm.mit.edu; if I were you, I would, during an off-peak time (at MIT), ftp (or go by WWW) to rtfm.mit.edu, go into the Usenet-by-hierarchy (I think) tree, then comp, then mail, then see what files or directories are in there. (/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/mail/) I just glanced in /pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/mail/misc/ and there are a bunch of files, including UNIX_Email_Software_Survey in three parts, and a Client-server protocols file. This second file gives a pointer of ftp.qualcomm.com:/quest/eudora/ for eudora (and probably FAQ files about it) and for PINE for DOS or Unix " The popular "pine" mail package is probably the most widely used. ftp.cac.washington.edu:/pine/pine.tar.Z For MSDOS: Pine works on MSDOS too. ftp.cac.washington.edu:/pine/pcpine " Most people I know think PINE is easier to use, but maybe others have better features. Of the big 3-part UNIX... file, the second file of three has some descriptions of packages. My mail program, ean , is not even mentioned there. It looks like pine has more features than many, but if you want to batch download e-mail from a mainframe to your pc then I am not sure if pine will do the job, you may need eudora or the like. There are also files on filtering mail in /pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/mail/elm and /pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/comp/mail/pine ; I will probably check the second out if I switch to pine, and will point to it for those using pine on the list who need help filtering out garbage. :-) Also I hear that pine is easy to learn hands on, it must have an OK online help facility, with examples. David Message fte:262 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:44:11 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503092138.AA02602@bigbang.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: fte:262 Subject: infectious songs( was Re:Tickets for the UT & WA shows) Karl wrote: >I've still got Sarah's songs buzzing >in my head (no, not ear-damage) after all this time. Not that they >weren't in there already, it's just that they seem to have been put >on "heavy-rotation" on the brain's playlist. It's funny, but Sarah's songs have never really set up shop in my _conscious_ mind; like other favourite things I sometimes have trouble calling them up, to mind's eye/ear, and must instead stick to the real or recorded thing. But then again, I don't dream (or remember them), and the most infectious songs are sometimes the most mindless ones. (But once, Joplin's Piece of my Heart ran through my mind while going down the Conception Bay Highway, and Del Shannon's Searchin' ran through my mind when I ran off to the woods of Torbay to escape conflict between friends, and of course Sarah's solace songs did help guide me past the signposts on Set. 5/6, 1991, my big inning. But I successfully avoided the Girl from Ipanema attack (I think). >(Oh no! this is sure to engender a DD post 8@) <= imagine Stimpy sideways >not that I mind anything but a 70-90K letter bomb) O KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK O (can you say bob it, to the military?) DD ------- "it's mornings that i, D, read" or "it's mornings that I D-read" (slow this morning but that's probably because I upped Li from 4--6 recently until close to Green Day [not on the streets of Philadelphia, for me, but maybe I'll make a green cheesecake. :-) ) "it's morning-S that i dread"? when was the chat session done? a.m.? (handle with sea air) Message fte:263 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:00:50 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9502097947.AA794797449@NYCCIP01.LEHMAN.COM> Message-ID: fte:263 Subject: Re: Ecto Stephen Hodges wrote: > Throughout the past couple days a lot has been mentioned about Ecto. I > am interested in checking it out. What is the address to subscribe. e-mail majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu with body subscribe ecto-digest or subscribe ecto (The majordomo software seems a bit better than listserv.) I am on the digest, but am not very active yet, but will post review there occasionally, and stuff inspired by artists other than Sarah, and stuff feeding off Sarah threads in ecto (you all know I'm a leech, right?). Oh, little anecdote: Tuesday after I got knocked out of the doubles pool tourney the bartender Gary asked me to come load a six-pack of CDs with bluesy music. For fun, I ran my right thumb down the spines of all their CDs and picked one at random, without looking. Out of 40--50 CDs, it was FTE. But I didn't put it on, then. David Message fte:264 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:28:13 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503100133.RAA00642@neptune.calstatela.edu> Message-ID: fte:264 Subject: Re:Digest mode Ali wrote: >I like this loose version; I can go through all the names and mark and delete >people who write VERY off topic messages. With a digest, you have to go >through the whole thing. No, you don't, just go into a pager or editor, and skip between headers. For instance, on my system I can do: pr ecto-digest /subject: (to get to the first header) then after that / to skip between subjects (and names are next to subjects) Sometimes when I am busy I will create my own pseudo-digest, by: pr to=monash,cc=monash /subject / etc I then mark the few I want to save or reply to, delete all, and undelete the few I want to save or reply to. (those who have other mail through monash may want to do a pr to=fte,to=fumbling,cc=fte,cc=fumbling or the equivalent in your mail reader, along with delete subject=BS,subject=FRIV,from=dalton,subject=lesbian, of course) The other way around: your e-mail reader may have an undigestify command to break it into loose bits, or a nice reply function that will pick one message out of the digest. Mine doesn't. But Ali won't see this anyway :-) . David p.s. digest "mode" to get de Om, dome, do me!, demo, E mod, em od (how do you dig est?) Message fte:265 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:36:13 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:265 Subject: ReSet List [some scone-tent] Mike Trevors wrote: >I learned a new internet term the other day, "Lurking".. Heh.. I'm a >Lurker on this list.. WHoo Whoo! @=) But if you aren't a lurker, you're an S--talker. :-) (sorry) >Most of the songs that Sarah Performs at the concert I love, but, there >are a couple of songs I wish she would play.. Is she doing Home? Today I was playful at home, after last week's thread on infectious songs I played a few of the old ones, then popped Solace on the CD player and various other stuff on the two tape decks and phono, and sort of created my own medley. There were a few neat juxtapositions, such as "child walks down to the river, and she's buying the stairway to heaven...HOME...HOME...may queen...dancing in rings (Sinead)...HOME...to be a rock and not to roll..." and more like that. [[Also there was (later) a cross betwen Fleetwood Mac's The Chain and I Will Not Forget You, sort of, and I mixed up some NF reels with the ocean/fire/thorn early part of Solace. Oh and that depressing song that mentions night (Lost): I bracketed with "imagine all the people...By the shadows of the night I go ...whatever gets you through the night" etc., more of the whatever gets you through the night, though. Then Back Door Man sort of reminded me of my softly knocking on a couple of doors at 4 or 5 a.m. after getting over the thorns and landing on the heaven/hell of wet grass (heaven to stay still, hell to move) and Shelter I guess of falling asleep nude on a doorstep, near a fountain, with skakuhachi wooden flute notes wafting from next door, to await the ambulance. Black got Happy Xmas/War is Over/Give Peace a Chance, I think, or perhaps it was Zeppelin's Rock and Roll, or a combination.]] But everything else ran out before Solace did so I was left at the end with >Mercy! (maybe this is related to modeRNe, the two nurses named Maia/Maya) Now I have dispelled the low part of that before by invoking mercy --> mere, sea, but I also had to do some acoustic mood upping so I played some old LPs, actually this is when I put on The Chain, during which I dipped into a slight sample of I will not forget you (so that was repeated), and then Billy Joel's You May Bee Right, and some more Newfoundland upbeat oceanic music, then a shower. "we both knew what we wanted, and took it" (a shower? no candles there) To those who said the LA show was low-key, did they show signs of hangovers? Was the show the day after the Grammies? Friday I did sound for six solo women (4 sets and 2 open mic spots) and a rock band open mic set, and was wiped on Saturday morning. But this weekend geomag activity is up (solar activity down though) and I got a few nice warmings of hands there and at the Railway jam Saturday. But all the women were good, check them out when they hit it big: Shannon Moore, Dyhan Roberts, Danielle French, Tara Shelley, Karen Parent, and Claire Brett. The band is a young fourguysome called The Realm who have some good original lyrics and with more practice may go somewhere. Shannon Moore said her music is featured on Madison, whatever that is (a TV show, I think) and ads for it, and she is in LA right now to work on stuff for a movie. Danielle French will release a CD soon, and has some guest help from members of *Sarah McLachlan's band*, Mae Moore's band, and SPirit of the West (maybe Barney Bentall's band too, I forget). [Hey, how did thiscontent get in there, must be the tour bots.] Oh, I meant to drop by the Nettwerk Shop yesterday, they had a special Sarah Day (actually that place is a Sarah shrine any day, with all those shiny metal disks [gold and platinum] on the wall, and all those soft-focus posters, so come visit) with the Live EP on for CAN$10 and a SM silkscreen print on for $15, plus Mount Baker tickets, so I was in danger of warming up my plastic, but two geophysical ph.d. alumni friends of mine, Dave and Andy swung into town from LA and Montreal for the weekend and dragged me off to the Railway jam, then the Luxy Bistro, so I avoided the shrine. It's weird how many Daves and Andys have passed through here, given the small size of the department. But there haven't been any Fergies. :-) David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- geophysics doctoral student ---- --- -- and Thea's (UBC grad centre) volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:266 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:06:57 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Cc: Michael K Curry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:266 Subject: Re:Another goodbye Michael Curry wrote: > Add me to the list of those who have finally reached their breaking >point with fte. > Once upon a time I looked forward to reading the email I got from fte, >but that's not the case anymore. The non-Sarah content in and of itself >doesn't really bother me, because as several people have pointed out it's >fairly easy to just skip things you don't want to read. My problem with >the list is the growing atmosphere of hostility. Please stay, Michael. I believe the current irritability is a transient or cyclic phenomenom and can already see signs that it is fading. My other list has been embroiled in even worse flame wars and personal attacks in the last week or so, and the administrator has evened threatened a shutdown of the list unless people wise up. The problems on fte are mild by comparison. I think it is merely an outbreak of late winter/pre-spring "cabin fever", mixed with stress for the students on the list, and mixed with some environmental (solar/planetary/weather) cyclic effects for those who are sensitive to such. I believe that things are now improving, and will be back to normal by St. Patrick's Day or at the latest by the beginning of spring. But still, don't drink too much green beer on Friday! Don't jump ship at the first sign of a leak, help patch it. But if you must go, make it temporary, and come back in a week's time, not a millanium. David Dalton Message fte:267 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:06:09 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:267 Subject: serious mode Most of my frivolity/bizarrity lately has been rather contrived, so I think I will try to stay in serious mode for the next while, until inspired. I hope the great divide (Grand Canyon/continental divide) did nice things to the tour. Is David Sinclair the guy who plays a lot of slide? David Message fte:268 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:28:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9503131511.AA08923@uf.sps.mot.com> Message-ID: fte:268 Subject: cool hand luke Jeff wrote: >From the way Sarah was looking at Luke, and he was looking at her at the >recent Austin show.... I'd bet Luke is her man. Maybe they were looking at each other for guitar timing cues, or looking at each others' fingering, or capos. (Whats a cap-O?) But he does know how to use the rhythm, I bet. DaviD Message fte:269 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 22:21:58 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:269 Subject: music, concentration and mood Tonight I was practising for tomorrow's singles pool tournament, the bartender had a carousel on, and again music afffected my play. I played quite well when tunes from FTE were on, although perhaps noty quite as well as to some Stevie Ray Vaughan a few weeks ago, and very poorly when some Elvis Costello tunes were on. (But my bank shots have deserted me lately; although that is partly compensated for by an increased proficiency at straight, sharp-angle, combination and ricochet shots, best when I try to be gentle and smooth, rather than getting cocky and banging the balls hard.) But anyway, FTE, or her voice, or whatever, seems to be OK for my concentration and mood, maybe I will try doing thesis work with it on (not continuously, maybe mixed with classical). I will also try it out for yoga practice to see if it allows me to stand on my head longer. :-) Seriously, if there is background noise, FTE is a good choice, or other Sarah, I think emergency and car alarm sirens should use vocal samples. (Which Sarah vocal sample would you use as a bedside alarm, even though most of her music is not morning person music?) Anybody else find that music helps their performance, in any of your passions, pastimes or chores? David Message fte:270 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 22:00:17 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950313214754_48626364@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:270 Subject: Re: Re:Another goodbye Thanks Lucy, and luckily whatever it is, I seem to have escaped it, my mood is really stable these days and I don't really expect much to happen until late May (but I have been surprised before). I think the "storm" is mostly over, though, and that sort of lines up with geomag forecasts. I've seen much worse flame wars, so the conflict isn't getting to me. But I need to get serious about my work or else quit and find something better, soon, so I should reduce my fte reading time (more skimming) and posting time, and save the bizarre frivolity stuff for when I am truly inspired or in need of solace in words to others. I imagine a few unconscious or conscious tasteful one-liners will slip through amidst the seriousness, though. Thanks again; David Message fte:271 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:24:15 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503132154.AA00827@access.mbnet.mb.ca> Message-ID: fte:271 Subject: Re: Classical or acoustic? Rayanne wrote: >I was just wondering if anyone knew if when Sarah plays guitar >if she's using classical nylon strings or acoustic metal strings. >'Cause I'm thinking of buying a classical guitar because when I >play Sarah songs on my acoustic it sounds too twany. I bet she uses metal strings, or at least those metal core composite strings, since nylon strings don't always go over well in a rock setting, they aren't loud enough. But perhaps with a good pickup and sound tech the signal strength can be improved and the warm sound of gut retained. She has at least two guitars, right? Is one of them a resonator guitar? The one she used on the FS version of Mary and the FS hidden track of Hold On seem to send me (as in "baby, you send me" from some song) the most, or perhaps it was the tuning or something (with my luck, probably the tuning spells something). Anyway, sometimes it sounds like it is strung with my heartstrings (Latcho Drom movie reference there). I bet she has more instruments at Home that she doesn't use on stage, so maybe one of them has nylon strings. Also that guitar on the FS Ice sounds more like leather than nylon. :-) D. Ray Dalton Message fte:272 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:06:16 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9503140016.AA05840@cc.brynmawr.edu> Message-ID: fte:272 Subject: Re:Girl from Ipanema Hi Cheryl; Nice to hear from you again, I guess you are not in hermit or hibernation or stressed mode yourself now, but productive mode? I still haven't checked out your Kate Bush recommendations. But it is good to hear from an old friend, with all the new people on the list. you wrote: >Hi! I know you are trying to get this song to stick in my head!!!! Ahh. >I also have (so far) avoided, but I will hold you personally responsible >if... I avoided it by only hearing it once, and not knowing many lyrics, and by fighting it off with cancelling anti-virus songs (when one strikes, hit/merge it with another that has a non-stick coating). And you didn't hear Sarah do it, so you should be Safe. I wonder if they will put it on the Nettwerk 10th Anniversary video? If so, then you could hear it several times, and then, watch out. But don't blame it on me. [Oh, on Quirks and Quarks, a radio science program, they had stuff on composite HIV viruses, so blends of the primary letter subtypes, so maybe a "non-stick" variety could be developed and induced to blend with the other deadly varieties.] >How's writing? I still have a chunk of research to do before finishing up the writing, and things have been very, very slow the last three months --- some progress in early December, a bit the second week in January, but since then it has been a crawl. I'm bored silly, unmotivated, and wasting too much time on the net. I could still get a final draft in by early/mid May as planned, take a holiday in late May, and defend in late June, but it is going to take some strong will, backing out of some if not all net activity, backing out of some real live social activities, and long hours. My extension is good until the end of December but I am supposed to finish in summer under terms of my last committee meeting timeline. So I will have to decide if I really want it and then buckle down, but avoid high stress last minute deadlines with all-nighters. But I don't yet have any job prospects for after I finish; I need to start sending out CVs and electronic CVs soon and maybe do some schmoozing in Banff in late May at a conference. Still, it is too late for most September jobs unless I get a short term computer thing to tide me over, or if I decide to give it up, my computer skills should hold me in good stead, more than my music industry skills. That was long, but in summary things are slow, I have been escaping to the net too often, and putting in lots of 5-day weeks with 4--6 hour days whereas everyone else around here seems to work 6--7 day weeks with 10--12 hour days. But something will have to change, soon, and probably it will be me. Still, I hope for a productive spring in all departments, not just work, and would like to get organized enough to avoid having to go into hermit geek mode after my last live music host/tech duties on March 31. This week I am really steady, boring in mood, sleeping well, abstaining from booze, taking 6 lithium (whereas if I felt low energy in the morning before new moon I would take 4 per day, and will drop to 4 after full moon). So things are fine, although there is no late night inspired frivolity. I don't really expect anything until late May (which is why I want a short holiday then) but could be surprised again, like last March 20--22. Will you or did you catch a show on the current mini-tour? I could go to the Mount Baker show but it looks unlikely. Again, great to hear (read) from you; David Message fte:273 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:24:33 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:273 Subject: funny juxtaposition A quick one, since I'm frazzled today and don't have time to read your posts yet for inspiration: Yesterday I had FTE on during and after a half-hearted yoga practice session, and after the yoga, I was getting a snack, looked in the fridge for milk for my tea, and didn't see it, it was hidden behind the OJ, and said something (see below). I wasn't really paying attention until after the fact, but at the time, Fear was on, so the unconscious dialogue went something like: her: "Morning smiles, like the face of a newborn child" me, unconsciously: "where the f___ is my milk?" It was accidentally timed just like that, too. (Obviously I've been living alone too long if I talk to myself; I wouldn't say that to anyone else.) Mercy buckets! David p.s. (off-topic) Oh, The PaperBoys industry schmooze promoCD release yesterday early evening went not too badly, they sowed the seeds of success, and if they follow it up with good shows outside A&B Friday afternoon, at the Starfish Friday night, and Railway Saturday should do well. But Friday I'll be slaving away doing sound for The Quenchers, Bluegrass Princesses, and Helen Gone. Oh, and my pool game faded a bit last night, I made the misstake of playing too many games the night before, and guzzling too much tea. But I went 4--2, solved the gordian knot, and made a few bank shots but undercut a lot of sharp angle shots. The main problem is that I am too much of a shotmaker and not enough of a stragedist, and got flustered by having to use a different stick in my last game. Plus some stupid wank-off beat dance music with ads was on, not suited to my recent smooth gentle stroke game, more to hyper-pool. I shot OK during the ad with the drone, though. Maybe things will improve when I drop from 6 Li to 4 Li. Message fte:274 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:19:42 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:274 Subject: BST: Hawaii '55? This is completely off-topic, but related to my earlier posts, and short, maybe. In the middle of last night (Mar 15/16) I woke up sensing a great wave of energy coming, I thought, from the southwest, so south in the pacific. I checked my bedside alarm expecting to see another "55" but instead it was 3:58, that is slightly fast so it could have been as early as 3:57. I haven't heard any news on earthquakes or volcanoes today, maybe it was the start of spring, it sure feels like it today, I even have my Spring shortss on. Also later I thought that maybe some event happened at the 55 minute mark in the pacific, and took 2 or 3 minutes to get to me, so maybe it has a speed in between light and sound. I would guess Hawaii, or Phoenix Islands, or New Zealand, or the middle of El Nino. If it was Hawaii, would the time ther e be 12:55 (or 0055), i.e., is Hawaii 3 hours behind PST? Or maybe it was on the date line? But I never call those! So anyway, today my low energy mornings are gone (although after that I went back to sleep, planned to get up at 7:55, got up around 9:55), but after having a very odd chill, one of those "unearthly" (not!) chills of Math the druid, maybe, so I will be careful. But a good breakfast, shower, and walking in got rid of it, so maybe it just marked an end to the recent low energy mornings and negative list energy. Earlier in the evening, around midnight, I had noted some glow on my right ring finger (which I think is the passion finger) from the southwest, definitely not the tour direction. Oh, and at a support group board meeting earlier in the evening when we were talking about how to provide for care in cases of neglect of children by parents with illness, my left ring finger warmed, so perhaps that one is for the family type love/responsibility. So maybe the threesome thing would be me, my right finger (any future love) and left ring finger (child spirit waiting patiently to come back at the right time from where there is a return). But as we know, many interpretations are possible. David Dalton -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- geophysics doctoral student ---- --- -- and Thea's (UBC grad centre) volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:275 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 13:12:14 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:275 Subject: BST: gracefull fall of 2 necking swans I'm a tech, no geek, and didn't post those lyrics but tried to leech on to them, will wait for the true virus (fire us). But here's version two dark Ness: if you want me to GO i'll GO ... fall, from G race floating, free fall o v Gee, Ohh.. be well, comely maiden That still doesn't work, maybe third time will be lucky (although you know what they say about the fourth leaf, sea lovers). DavidD Message fte:276 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 17:25:23 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:276 Subject: Re: the Hip using Sarah? >Lines: 12 >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 5025 Kevin (belzebub@io.org) wrote: > Could somebody set me straight on the rumour concerning the Hip in >Vancouver? Apparently, right before "New Orleans Is Sinking", Gord >yowled out a pretty scary version of "Posession"... is this actually true? >(And if so, how bad did he mangle it?) :) As I mentioned in a recent post, yes he did, according to a Georgia Straight review; I wasn't there. Check out alt.music.tragically-hip or alt.music.canada for more details. I'm not a big fan, but the only album I have is "Road Apples", which many hip fans say is their worst, I guess it was bad strategy to get it. (Holey jeans are not tragic, patch with flowers?) Spring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!! David Message fte:277 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 17:53:25 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:277 Subject: Re:Songs I'd Like To Hear Sarah Cover Kevin Hawkins Wrote: >>Uhhh...I could ramble one off, or at leasta few: >>"Vox" by Culture Club Mike wrote: >I really hope you are joking. If "Vox" was a Culture Club song this whole >time, and I never knew it I will not be very happy. Oh, I'm sure it was a >joke. :) But I thought she was covering (burying) Vox, for this tour at least. Also maybe it (vox) was a joke? (I took some brewer's yeast and yoghurt this morning, so I guess I'm cultured! Don't club me, for that gaffe.) Lets see, there are thousands of good songs, maybe: Southwest Passage by Stan Rogers Bridge Over The Great Divide by Simon and Garfunkel Opening Time by Leonard Cohen All Along, the SwatchTower by Bob Dylan but those aren't really my favourites, I will have to think s'more later, and also of old fogey women songwriters (the above old fogey's are all guys). Now that reminds me of the Foggy Dew, but Sinead just did that, so I will have to think of another trad ballad; surely St. Patrick's will help. (Hair, we're gonna live forever...) Maybe there are some young foggy women songwriters? Plus if a song is written on a chair and she sits on it, does that count as a cover? (sorry) Green Day tomorrow, so she could cover that famous hothouse flower tune Home, and add an irish river name after the river word, or something. Don't drink too much green beer or you will see snakes for weeks, the dye-ing day leaves dye in the floaters in your eyes! (sariously) And watch out for those green knight companions! I'll stop there, I actually got lots of sleep last night despite the 3:57:22 a.m. wave, from ??? David d'elver into ??? Message fte:278 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:09:13 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: , In-Reply-To: <8RwPlKXNpkw6071yn@io.org> Message-ID: fte:278 Subject: BST: Irish jello, kiwi fruit cheesecake KevinB wrote: >"Your love is better than Jello" and >"Your love is better than cheesecake" That reminds me of a St. Patrick's Day party many years ago, hosted by two Newfoundlander nurses who were working here in Vancouver. They made green jello with vodka instead of water. But that's not as good as green cheescake made with creme de menthe or something. :-) Oh, stupid, obviously kiwi fruit, or a liqueur made from it, if there is such a thing? David Message fte:279 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:18:44 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <2gwPlKXNpgvE071yn@io.org> Message-ID: fte:279 Subject: Re:Hold On & Alternative Nation Kevin BZ wrote: someone else wrote: >> I figure that Sarah must be too Alternative to be played during the day >> too, so therefore she is limited to nightplay... What! Isn't she allowed to play during the day? >> By the way, which version of Hold On does everybody like. HTe FTE, FS >> hidden or unhidden), or the No Alternative track... just curious... >I like the FTE version, and the unhidden FS track (the hidden one loses >all its charm) >Kevin. I like the hidden FS one, and the FTE one, and in the appropriate mood, the unhidden FS one, in that order, for now. >"Your love is better than brownies" brown ee? "this is gonna hurt like hello" or was that jello? "this is gonna hurt like helen's O" was that it, last night? David D late for yoga, must run away Message fte:280 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:54:21 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:280 Subject: BST: misc/Hel-O/yoga/wave correction Give the incipient flame war, I'm glad I didn't post a parody of the wrong Fall From Grays lyrics, I will have to wait for the official version. (Actually I have just been uninspired and frazzled lately, and haven't heard it, so can't catch the buried nuances yet.) At the end of a reply to a Hold On (Whole Dawn, Hold Don...) post yesterday I said "this is gonna hurt like helen's O" and then "was that it, last night?" By that I meant the wave of earth energy I got from some earth system at 3:57 a.m. Mar. 16, and it was not intended to offend any human person named Helen on the list. (But if a female orgaasm is like that, wow, it took my breath away, briefly.) Oh, Hawaii is 2 hrs away, so it would be 01:55 there. But I now think it might have been local, so towards Shaughnessy golf course, or dolphins/whales offshore, or Gabriola, or Ladysmith on the island, but I guess not Victoria. Really, the origin was probably in some funny dream whicch I don't remember. And it could have circled around, like magnetic lines, so the real origin might not be southwest, that was just the way my head was pointing at the time, I think. Good yoga last night, but early during it I would get mild headaches on the top right back of the head, when rising too quickly, this disappeared after I warmed up and started rising slowly, with the breath. In some of the poses I was slipping, but managed to hold on. The last series made us all feel free. Happy Green Day, wish I was in the Streets of Philadelphia, but I'll be slaving away on sound in the ubc grad centre ballroom tonight, probably avoiding beer until near midnight. WHAT A MOON! GREEN CHEESE, please squeeze, lease ease... DD-->duran duran --> wolf --> flow(ers) Freedom Sessions is slipping towards the bottom of the top 55 chart, FTE is still up there, ahead of the Hip. It is odd, but a Sarah item is featured at the Nettwerk Shop again this week, a black wool cap with sun logO. (I guess it is ewe's wool, not ram's.) Usually a different artist is featured each week. I am not much of a shopper these days, but perhaps will pop by if not too wiped from Friday night, and get one for sister #3 (in age) Marg's birthday Apr. 5, or something. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton --- geophysics doctoral student ---- --- -- and Thea's (UBC grad centre) volunteer music booker/tech --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:281 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 2:10:05 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503171934.LAA12851@ix3.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:281 Subject: Re:'Fall From Grace" - the lyrics Rachel deFrank wrote: >if she wanted us to have the correct lyrics she could get them >to us pretty easily. (but then, i guess giving us the correct lyrics >would weaken her argument just a bit.) If she is so pissed, I bet not. >until sarah is the moderator of the list (which for some reason i can't >envision in the near future) we, the members of the mailing list, decide >what is appropriate and inappropriate. But nettwerk has treated this list rather well, and if we piss Sarah off that could easily change. Also shouldn't we respect her wishes out of gratitude for all the wonderful music? >[i think "BST" is working amazingly well...good idea elana.] Yes, it is fun to BST, after all. >this reminds me of the warning in those netiquette guides that tell you >not to post to a newsgroup or a mailing list until you have a real feel >for them and you know what is on-topic and what is off-topic. sarah >doesn't really know what goes on here on a day-to-day basis, Whew! Good! But she does get reports from Barrett's private ears, or now, the lover's Lane. >okay, now that i've said this, i realize that we have no idea how >strongly sarah really feels about this...so maybe this is off base and >maybe not...oh well... of F bass? Is there an F note? If not, all-uck-ate one. DD, tired and lonely, 2 a.m., but still green. time to go Home. Message fte:282 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 3:31:57 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:282 Subject: BST: kilt stimulation (was Re:Irish jello, kiwi...) Kevin (bellezebub) wrote: >And since we're in that area of the world, let's just drift over the North >Sea a bit... seeing as "McLachlan" sounds very Scottish, and Sarah does >hail from New Scotland, does anyone know whereabouts in that bonny land >the McLachlan clan would reside? I would guess near Loch Ness, or possibly Banff, but that is completely illogical, as usual. And Nessie is really just a semi-submerged log, right? I wonder what the McLachlan clan motto, crest and tartan are? unrelated comment: On ecto they say that Annie Lennox has a "Medusa" song. -- DD, off to catch the 3:42 a.m., looks like an ol' 55 morning. (feeling better) Message fte:283 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:41:56 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503191623.KAA29309@hawk.owlnet.rice.edu> Message-ID: fte:283 Subject: Re:Vox interpretation Jennifer wrote: >I just recently started listening to _Touch_, and I'm slowly but >surely forming some opinions on what the lyrics mean (I already know that >the music is great!). I'd like to hear others' interpretations of Vox. >Once as I was half-listening to it, my ears perked up around: !: "...once more I turned to you/and the crows were standing staring !: faceless cutting off my view to you/ They start to quickly flail their !: bodies in a twisted MIME/ And I'm lost inside this tangled web in !: which I've lain ent-wined/ You're gone and I'm lost inside this tangled !: web in which I'm lain ent-wined" (I edited the above lyrics slightly, hammocks are in this year :-) > All of the sudden, I got a very vivid mental picture of an awestruck fan at > a concert, gazing at the artist. I have to sign off suddenly, may add more later, but anyway, yes Vox has resonated with my fan feelings too, when the whole crowd is singing out S we love you, etc. Oh, and the Empress of Earth SF trilogy, I think a vox humana is a musical instrument, so say it is her piano and it goes out of tune, or something, or she leaves her piano to take the guitar. I have been sick of guitar today, playing beethoven, gershwin, elton john, pinetop perkins, gould, etc instead, back to mix now though. DD (confused, I know, have to run) Message fte:284 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 21:25:57 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503191623.KAA29309@hawk.owlnet.rice.edu> Message-ID: fte:284 Subject: 2Re:Vox interpretation + bstailfeathers The last post was rushed so here's an edited version, with a heaping tbs of bst added to the tail. Jennifer wrote: >I just recently started listening to _Touch_, and I'm slowly but >surely forming some opinions on what the lyrics mean (I already know that >the music is great!). I'd like to hear others' interpretations of Vox. >Once as I was half-listening to it, my ears perked up around: (I edited the lyrics below radically, hammocks are in this year :-) , but if I had the original with me it would be better) !: "...once more I turn with you/and the trees are standing swaying !: fearless leaving me allone with you/We start to slowly flame our !: bodies with a twisted mmmm/And I'm lust inside this dangled web in !: which I'm lain ent-wined/You're here and I'm lust inside this dangled !: web in which I'm lain en-twinned" (sorry, i still don't have the touch) My sister Mary brought me a multicoloured hammock from Mexico once, but it certainly wasn't big enough for two, I think, it would be risking a Fall on Grass. Also, in the heat a cold drink might be best, so perhaps that should read "cool our bodies with a twist of lime", or something, icecream perhaps, or ice tea and lime yello. > All of the sudden, I got a very vivid mental picture of an awestruck fan at > a concert, gazing at the artist. I have to sign off suddenly, may add more later, but anyway, yes Vox has resonated with my fan feelings too, when the whole crowd is singing out S we love you, etc. Oh, and in the Empress of Earth SF trilogy, by someone whose name I forget again, I think a _vox humana_ is a musical instrument used to break an evil barrier, later she used a pitch pipe to tune the earth system orrery. So perhaps the vox is her piano and it goes out of tune with her voice, or something, or she leaves her piano to take the guitar, and the poor piano is left stranded alone on stage, blocked by the band, away from the fingers that caress it. (Today I was sick of guitar based music for a while, and played Beethoven's Moonlight/Apassionata, plus Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue, plus Glen Gould doing Beethoven piano concerto #? Opus 27, and some elton john, pinetop perkins, etc, no billy joel though. But now I'm back to the mix though; I think it was just some out of tune guitars that I had to do sound for on Friday that may have temporarily made my ears guitar frigid.) David p.s. here's 1 tbs of bst, don't stb me (unless it is related to the mildew) (Suddenly I can relate that to Old Milwaukee, wind, camping, green day and pool, but I don't think there is an old mill campsite here in bc, although I have heard some stones, even green rings of stones, serpentine, underwater, scratching posts of marine mammals [this last two lines are made up]) April looms, with the March Hare becoming the Easter Bunny, with April loofa day soon, palm sunday; plus my tiger lily is starting to show a bud! I think it had orange flowers when my sister Mary brought it home to me last year when she was here on her reading tour, but we shall see, I hope. It never would have come back but some cuttings or weeds took hold in its pot and I kept the pot moist but completely forgot about it, and then as I mentioned before, it shot up unexpectedly just before groundhog day and I transplanted it to music. I bet it will bloom well before May. But in the year of the pig, MayDay is M.D. and I next see my doctor on Apr. 13. Or in could be M's day in April which is Marg's birthday which is Apr. 5. Or in could be the barber pole (maypole) day, which will be close to April loofa day. Maybe I will have to make a trip to Victoria, that would count as Victoria Day. My predictions have been all off anyway, and my pool (le DD cu) game has been backward. Still, there is such a thing as warmup/practice, right? Victoria Ox? Must be in the Tain. Late Friday/early Saturday I said I was feeling lonely; the next day I was wiped/tired, slept in, had a good rest, a good soak, and later 500 ml of H\"aagen Daaz chocolate icecream (from just outside Montreal), about 150g of semisweet Baker's chocolate chips (I finished the rest today), and 2 fewer Li as of Sat. SO anyway I am back to normal energy, still slightly down and a wee little bit lo[ne,w]ly, but that is by choice since I could have gone to three parties very late Friday and could have gone to the Railway Saturday but chose to recharge instead. Oh, and I did a huge load of laundry Saturday evening and made some whole green (SPD) peace soup Saturday (pre-boil) and today the finesse touches. Oh, so I avoided shopping again Sat, at Nettwerk. Do they have hammocks? (made of net, i guess) David; tech,no,geek --> tonge cheek. add u [hellO, eye dew] So when she said technogeek to U she was saying it tongue-in-cheek, but it is hard to smile with a tongue in cheek, isn't it? But I guess it depends whose cheek, eh? David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.R. Dalton - geophysics Ph.D student, M.Sc., a.b.d. - - - Thea's (UBC grad centre) Fri music booker/tech to Mar. 31, 1995. 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:285 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 23:05:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <1E67EFC291D@caelab1.cae.wisc.edu> Message-ID: fte:285 Subject: bst: gEEks, geckOs, grAil Tracy wrote: >I saw it - the Queen Mother of all Sarah collectibles - _Touch_, >vinyl, original cover. $4.55. That reminds me of a tangent I just started on the newsgroup, rather convoluted as usual. Anyway, I was debating whether she had used the correct plural of a type of organ, at the Radio City Music Hall show. In the course of that, it came up that pen is an archaic word for female swan, which is related to cob (male swan), which is related to corn, and I then went to get some Hawkins cheezies from the Lewis vending machine, accidentally overpaying by a damaged canadian nickel, getting a healed canadian nickel back in change. Now, this made me reconsider my Loch Ness/Banff words, I had to go check out the map of Scotland and look at the Isle of Lewis. Well, Stornaway is there (and S is torn away on tour) and also the Butt of Lewis. I think Stornaway is when Victoria hung out sometimes (I returned the bio after just a skim). Who's Lewis? I worked for a Lewis once [sum81], he made good bagels, and I've always liked bay gals, and CDs too. >P.S. Just for a little clarification (re Ann Arbor/lyrics), Sarah >called it the "Geekernet", then corrected herself and said >"Internet". I don't remember the phrase "techno-geek" coming up. And >she was smiling the whole time she was complaining, but I think she >was serious._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Uh, oh, an ice smile, not a nice smile? I've already tackled techno-greek letters, now what about the geekernet? That looks like a verb form, I didn't know geek was a verb! DEFINE geek geek n. Slang. A carnival performer whose act usually consists of biting the head off a live chicken or snake.[Perh. G(kern)et --> G et uh oh, i think gai A snaked me! geekernet --> greek teen --> myth O log Y ? grail --> greek, garlic --> see language post on usenet group [but what is garlic in greek? that might be impotent!] Juvenile tonight, hope this isn't offensive but it seems to be therapeutic for now. And, seriously, Sarah was considered a geek, in the modern sense, by most of her old high school classmates, so ... Fading (all the colours fad to black) David, soon to brave the night (now in the banana split building with two scoops on top) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.R. Dalton - geophysics Ph.D student, M.Sc., a.b.d. - - - Thea's (UBC grad centre) Fri music booker/tech to Mar. 31, 1995. 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:286 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 3:32:51 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:286 Subject: BST: gabriel's eagle Just a ramble while I wait for the 3:42 again. Last night (Saturday) I stuck on an old (1983?) badly edited radio compilation tape, with lots of sappy tunes on it, and there was a skip from "superman, superman, i wanna fly like superman" to "climbing up on solsbury hills...". Anyway, the line "eagle flew out of the night" made me say, no, it was day! Owls fly at night, eagles at day! The eagle that swooped me did so over kits beach not long ago, and left me here. But there's always the magic bus, for benny and the jets. :-) HOME=HO' ME=H.O. ME=HOLD ON TO ME, AND ME=M.Mc^2=MMcc=mm CC; who's CC? Is that a cup size? DD Message fte:287 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:52:06 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Jason In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:287 Subject: Re:BST: gabriel's eagle Hi Jason; you wrote: >Well, hate to burst your bubble, but eagles have been known to attack >their prey even at night. I knew that, in fact I bet in many areas the hunting is better at night, but I wonder if their eyesight is as good at night, maybe they have to rely on hearing a bit as well. I was just twisting it to get me near eagle experience in. But maybe it didn't attack me (even with a dropping) since it was daytime! The eagle did come down very low, maybe 15 or 20 ft, very unusual for a fairly crowded city beach. I think there may have been two, maybe they were hunting for a lost eglet (shoelace). >The image that I get from "Solsbury Hill" is that of a forest in the midst >of night where a lone eagle gracefully glides over a moon-lit lake. The >water is clear and the luminescent reflection of the full moon on the lake >resembles that of an image that can only come from a well polished silver >panel. The pine trees that circle the lake add a sense of peace and >tranquility to the serene, unspoiled beauty of nature. That's beautiful, you should paint it, probably with little red. (Unless the eagle catches some prey. But maybe it is vegetarian!) David Message fte:288 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:08:48 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503201423.JAA14626@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Message-ID: fte:288 Subject: Re:bst: gEEks, geckOs, grAil Hi Sarah; you wrote: >Wow! I just wanted to say that anyone who complains about your rambling >posts can just climb a tree because this one just made my morning. Thanks, maybe I get better late at night, but the last two nights I have been in too late, tonight I plan to leave by 8 p.m. and get a home meal and hot bath and early (midnight) night. >Plus, I >just realized that you are in geophysics and I have a friend who is too, >even though I don't even know what geophysics is. Of course, He is a >Virginia Tech so I would bet that you don't know him. Geophysics covers a bunch of areas, from shallow to deep earth to plantology, from environmental scans to ocean floor geology to earthquake analysis and prediction to resource exploration to whole earth structure and history..., but I am now just dabbling on some minor boring technical problem involving the resolution of numerical models of acoustic (sound) and seismic (earth) wave scattering, not doing any practical lab or field work, and the thesis is unlikely to have direct applications, maybe some indirectly related spinoffs though. But things are slow lately, I may not even finish, and have no irons in the fire for jobs yet. If your friend is a long term grad student there is a slight chance I may have met him at conferences years ago, or maybe have read his papers (I have fallen behind on the recent literature, though). But it is unlikely. >Anyway, I just think >that reading your posts through is like seeing something organic develop. >Sometimes I may say "What the Hell is he talking about?" So do I, sometimes. Or sometimes I mean one thing and later look at it and go Ohhhhhhh or oops, when a different meaning hits me. But lately it has been "continuous soft hits" (water torture), lots of redundant signs of many beginnings, and lots of crying wolfs as far as I'm concerned. But at least I am starting to lose my fear, and hope I am learning to live, play, and love. >Most of the time >actually. But I like it because you're in them. Thanks, as long as I'm not in Helll. (i.e., some of my posts are tongue-in-cheek, some are tortured, like the early january big one towards the end, and I would rather avoid that type unless necessary) David Message fte:289 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:48:30 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:289 Subject: bst: and the wind cries a waterfall, Voxy lady Since my Vox play post about the hammock, I have continued reading a book called "Trip the Light Fantastic" about travels with a mexican circus, Circo Bell's. It makes me sympathise with some of the problems and joys of touring. But anyway, the trapeze artists are stars of the show, and often fall on the net and get rope burns. This (the net) reminded me of the tangled web/hammock, especially since the hammock I had came from Mexico. However it appears that one of the trapeze artists (or perhaps it was a stage hand/chamanco) named ricky may have raped (or organized a rape of) a circus girl named anna, breaking her arm, and forcing her to leave the circus. But anyway, I haven't finished the book yet, probably the tangled web fails/gets him and saves her, later, although in true life there aren't always happy endings. But the "broken arm" phrase caught my end for some reason. Also there was a good description of the nesting and loving of swarms of Monarch butterflies, with orange wings like I think my tiger lily will have (water wings?). I know that isn't terribly good enough, it may even be bad, the last few were done late at night when I may be better, and today I plan to leave by 8 p.m. for a change and get a home meal and hot bath and put my favourite vox on the CD player (my non-portable is working again, for the moment, first tune on it was white wing mercy by ferron done with random play, no gabriel on cd) David D Message fte:290 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:43:17 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:290 Subject: BST: green piss, sarah posters, ice cream solos drh@greatlakes (is that related to easter headAches?) wrote: >I was at this concert and I have to agree that it was a tad bit demeaning. Sometimes a tadpole turns to a frog, and frenches Princes. >But, at the same time, I don't think that she really knew how many of us >"Fumblers" there were in the audience at the time. Of course, this was the >University of Michigan where almost EVERYONE has an Internet account. >Strange. Considering her "playful" attitude throughout the whole concert, I >think that it's harmless. I know she didn't say techno-geek, but geekernet, [although it could have been "geek hair net", right?] But did she really say she was "bloody pissed"? [Is she playing Florida on this tour? What would Charles say?] That could be a sign of serious illness, right? I hope she takes care. But wait, green beer --> Vulcan blood! Aha. Spockmarked! Did she have any pimples? No, but she sings better than the humpback of notre dame bay (or at least as good). [And I bet her piss is usually environmentally friendly, so perhaps this is a passing phase, let's appease her f-ire, our our name is mud, in this foggy dawn. Samson and Delilah? Let me understand next to your Fire, from absolutely nothing? On the Streets of Philadelphia? I can't understand it, sweet peas don't bloom yet, do they, and moreover, Oliver never met Orphan Annie, not even on the O'day (easter). What the Dickens? I am out of long thin candles, will have to pick up some. Now that is far too convoluted, so I will seal it there. x] Oh, and I just read that Picasso was a mysoginist so perhaps I will have to get some new posters to replace his few in my anteroom, which Sarah posters are your favourites? Naw, I'll probably have a party with graffitti wall, and then move out, or something. Re: 120 minutes, I missed it, but hear that she's a lumberjack and she's OK. Who's jack? But I thought she was into hugging trees and growing homegrown, that doesn't make any sense, overall. Too many signs, too many beginnings, too many wolf cries! I give up. . D Y Oh, did she really play ice cream solo? Isn't it more fun to share? Hold On, Piano Edition=HOPE, so I guess I'll relisten before I glisten, to some sedition. Work? Whirr, 'K? Do nut whirry, reminds me of the dessert recipe I learned on Miquelon, where I first busted my knee on the isthmus to Langlade, the sister island where the seal colonies are. My supervisor just paged me (is he the green knight) so I must run. David D Message fte:291 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 19:24:59 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:291 Subject: Re:120 mins/Philly concert Chrissie wrote: >I did manage to get a good look at the Into The Fire video...the first >time I've seen it...and I have to say I really don't like it. All that >mud and dirt reminded me of something akin to the Swamp Thing *grin* But mudpacks are good for the skin, and it is that year... >Was it me or did it seem as if the tape was in slow motion when she was >singing in front of that waterfall? Waterfall, from Grace? Who got dunked? Beware of hen tricks! I can't swim! But seriously, all this talk of videos is making me itchy, rememeber I am an ex-TV addict! (TV is ok to share, but not as your lonely fire in the night, the geekernet is there for that.) >I would really like to smack whoever writes for 120 mins upside the >head. In the lip area? I too often write for two hours, leads to tendonitis. >name of that band was)." ??? And why did she have to play Ice Cream??? >Argh!!! I think I'm the only person in the world who doesn't care for >that song. Rice dreams and frozen yoghurt are substitutes, but still lead to caries. >But we all know who we were there to see....Sarah! She was so cute!! >Very personable with the audience, she apologized for not wearing green >for St. Patty's Day (someone brought it up...she was wearing pink). But why did she say she was sarry? Green AND pink are the colours of the Irish flag. But it isn't fresh strawberry cheesecake season, here, just those California Strawberries, red on the outside and woody on the inside. And I ate chocolate the other night, good enough to d eye for! sighhhhhhhhhh David Message fte:292 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:53:15 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:292 Subject: B.S.Tea: bad humour I think (hope) I'm just being trained against bad humour, in any case I'm trying to restrain myself, and am chuckling only at the very good ones, which keep me going, but when examined closely often have a "bad" "side". (Glad to hear the third leg is going well, hope it cooked Wed, after all the green eggs and sham. sorry.) For example, today I was pissed off by the bad humour all around, and some auto-dial beeper that is hitting on my home phone (I will have to call bctel if it hasn't stopped tonight), but walking from the bus to G&A on campus a big red fire truck went through a traffic barrier, those fold-down yellowfinger type, and I had to laugh. [[But I don't have any chamomille, dave! And fire truck --> friar tuck --> jellyroll --> tire fucker etc so even the best chuckles can turn "bad" if you worry too much. Dash it, but I'm not bored!]] (How does a Singer backup? I don't own a sewing machine, just a knitting needle [nor really] and a clam pincushion [really].) Anyway, I hope everyone doesn't have it as bad as me. Ain't no cure, but time and tender lov-ing care? If you slay me, I'll dye laughing, rude elf! HELf, I'm MayD. S.T.P.! O ??? D D -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.R. Dalton - geophysics Ph.D student, M.Sc., a.b.d. - - - Thea's (UBC grad centre) Fri music booker/tech to Mar. 31, 1995. 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:293 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:40:49 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <5085*dalton@geop.ubc.ca> Message-ID: fte:293 Subject: Hold On + Re:BST: green peas... su.mmary: some content in the second paragraph, plus a minor correction to an earlier BST post, plus some more ramblings I listened to Hold On, piano version today and it soothed me, I was getting pissed by all the musician calls and other things conspiring to delay me. The Clumsy Lovers cancelled for Friday, and they will change their name soon so I guess that is the last gig they get from me (besides, as of Apr. 1 I'm not booking any more), so I bumped Gym Curry and Burning Ground up to headliner and got Joe Fool for a set and maybe Ship of Fools for a set (if they can't make it then Jim Currie or Dave Kootnikoff will do a solo set). The other things were some buss delays, and the continuous soft hits, later I started to say "f.u.m(other)e(arth)", but then quickly learned again to laugh at the best bits and even my old jokes. The thing that really brought me up was a sign I saw, after missing 4 busses (long story), that said "no sitting on the flower bed" or something like that, on Broadway. But I've been so pressed there's no time to be depressed, or even too stressed. Anyway, Hold On, piano version is quite jazzy to me, it begs for a good saxophone or something. But no ax, unless it is the nylon string liona boyd type. (Is the guitar ax spelled with an e, in that pink floyd lyric sheet, for one of my turns? But guitar, in the bath! Maybe a plastic ukulele? Not electric, could be shocking.) A quick off-topic correction: the humpbacks weren't really singing in Notre Dame Bay, it was St. Mary's Bay, or I think maybe even a cove slightly further east on the Southern Avalon, near Trepassey, in the summer of 1983. Maybe the humpbacks were away from home, though, come to wash away my future tears. I was doing onshore gravity and GPS support for an offshore survey, there were five Davids involved in the survey that summer. Later we went to Bay St. George, on the way I nearly killed myself and Tom Laidley by trying to pass, into the sun, a loaded log truck, with a road colour car coming the other way, in a Suburban (not a buss, but longer than the one I had been learning in), still on my learner's permit. Maybe that turned me off driving, but not derivers. Re green, at home I am out of pure green tea, all I have is some gunpowder green tea with a bit of jasmine tea mixed in. I don't have as many types as I left in Lakeview, though, including the Lapsang Souchang, and not nearly as many as the woman in Go Fish, plus two of three of mine have caffeine (Tetley round bags, jasmine cured gunpowder, and, just recently, Red Zinger, the same time I got the chocolate, Saturday). What are hibiscus and rose hips good for? I guess a cold, and this morning I had a chill in the arms for a while, before I got in the shower with a little finesse/au well mix, safeway dual care gentle, and safeway baby soap, in reverse order, with some au well conditioner later, apres teething care, before shave (or was it after). Re orange butterflys: UBC is garlanded in orange, and orange pylons, now for Storm the Wall, which I guess is symbolic of exam period. Stress! But luckily I'm not doing any courses, just a thesis. dd, not a $\rho$d $\rho_y$slexic ??? must be a foreign tongue, or map term, about bouncing hearts, broken to he arts, or something very bad that I won't get until later, D-it! Where is the detour today? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.R. Dalton - geophysics Ph.D student, M.Sc., a.b.d. - - - Thea's (UBC grad centre) Fri music booker/tech to Mar. 31, 1995. 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:294 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:49:05 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503202258.RAA111007@acs4.bu.edu> Message-ID: fte:294 Subject: weebst, Dairy Queen (was Re:CONCERT REVIEW) wrote, from the Daily News: >Without benefit of massive MTV or radio exposure, singer/songwriter Sarah >McLachlan made her sold-out Radio City Music Hall debut Saturday night, >playing to an adoring house of mostly well-heeled adults who lapped up her >ethereally forlorn tunes as if they were the ice cream she sings about in one >of her rare optimistic moments. On Broadway earlier, I also walked by Dairy Queen and had to laugh, they had a "Brazier Special" on for $1.99, and I think Royal Treats, not sure if that is hot or cold sweet breaths, in might depend on whether you are in the highlands or lowlands. DD (no q here, no oj either, i'm not a joq, or airy, today) Message fte:295 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:12:47 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:295 Subject: bst: super tramp and cat hi A quickie: I just saw the well thingie; and it reminded me of the Supertramp song "Bloody Well Right" so I will have to listen to it tonight (hey, thay rhymed). Also, someone said that things would smooth out when cathy got back into action. This is bad, but what's a cat hi? Or is it a cat high? Hopefully not a wakeup call, although it was mostly the neck and not the eyelids, no me ow. D_ D Message fte:296 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:32:22 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:296 Subject: bst: DQ, tacky stuff This will be my last post until after supper, I promis! Anyway, I lied about the Q, I'm off to play pool tonight. I'm sarry for the slightly tacky zingers, let me know if they Offend, feedback is essential for writhers. I guess I lied about the oj too, I use Jo (Bessel) functions a lot, but I'm nobody's jo, eh! But the joq ref warns me to play badminton again soon and walk in some more, and practice yoGa daily (yeah, right! Gaia says yoD,eh much more often than daily [gaiA is just a working term, is that related to a working . ]). Message fte:297 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:39:00 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:297 Subject: Re:NYC Show, Paula Cole, & Perspectives KC wrote: >Warning! Not everything in my message is going to be happy and cheery. >[Aren't disclaimers fun?] Who's Lost? (my tickets?) > One: I really *really* did not like Paula Cole. Paul A. Cole? How does "Oiled King Cole" go? Was his queen a nut Meg? NyetZ > Two: I wasn't going to comment on this, but it won't stop nagging me. >At the Radio City Music Hall show Sarah introduced one song with a rather >insulting comment. She stated (rather bluntly) that she believed that >the whole "sensitive guy" image was "just another way to get laid" (her >words, not mine) and that she wasn't going to buy it. It sure is a way to get late! And "what" is ugly in french? What braimage? I never had a concussion? Maybe she said led? Was she wearing fish (hake) leather? This egg was laid long ago, but wouldn't mind being (at) hatched. Is that related to capos? > Hey! Putting my own feelings aside- I think it rather unintelligent on >a public performer's part to go alienating sections of your fans.. first >the internet comment and then this.. Q: Do still love her, even though she's not a "lady" on stage any more? > Not putting my own feelings aside: I consider myself a "sensitive" >guy. I care about other's needs and feelings. yeah, it's like being in a band, everything in synch, and then one instrument gets out of tune; the other musicians and good techs (don't get techie-feelie, you know) are sensitive to that and tell the offending party "you f__in' better well tune, eh", or help them do it; I guess big stars have roadies to do it, eh. (How do you tune a fishsandwich? You cut it in thirds, and add time.) I wish someone would toon this loon, but my idea of sensitive is occasionally "touchy/cranky/intro/wary" which isn't the perhaps oily/smarmy/softsoapy stereotype. But actually I'm rather insensitive, else I would have noticed those bumps a bit earlier, although you are supposed to ice swellings, right? The sunshine band travel fast, day trippers, night lippers. David D (Dbaited and Shooked) Message fte:298 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:58:30 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:298 Subject: tour schedule? I have an old copy of the tour schedule, and was wondering about the later dates, whether there were any more additions or venue moves or deletions or date juggles. Here's what I have: March 21 Boston Orpheum March 22 Washington Warner Theater March 24 Atlanta Fox March 25 St. Louis American March 27 Buffalo Sheas March 29 Chicago Chicago Theater March 30 Minneapolis Northrup April 1 Salt Lake City Salt Air April 3 Seattle Fifth Avenue April 4 Portland Civic Center April 5 Bellingham Mt. Baker Theater So Apr. 1 is still in Salt Air and there are no gigs on Mar. 31 or Apr. 2? Also, she is playing the big O in Beantown? I bet the Salt Lake show will be a good one, there is a good lakebed resonator there for earth waves, wish this fool could be there. As it is, I don't think I will get to Mount Baker (maybe). Oh, in the Georgia Straight last week I noticed she is playing a benefit for children with autism, at some big hotel ballroom, on Apr. 8, I think solo or in a stripped down version. What's a tea heater? Gold tea, not for me. So anyway, if nobody replies, I will assume there are no corrections in the above list. Theatre??? David Dalton Message fte:299 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 1:27:54 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:299 Subject: Re:encores Kevin Belzebub wrote: >Somebody posted about it being incredibly annoying for artists to play three >encores, and it being a waste of everyone's time et. al. No, encores are fun, but better if they are deserved, _and_ demanded by a crowd on fire! Planned encorehood down to the last detail is not always the way to go, within a stabilising framework, go with the flow, listen to the loudest request bellows, cap the night with an appropriate tune for the mood and crowd and placetime. Maybe if you yell "use the vox" it will fource some jugglings. A fourth encore? Yeah, right! That'll be the day Hal's successor does a core dump. (Do Macs do core dumps, or just hang and reboot, cloverleafly?) >next month, I thin do you use LISP? >"Your love is better than crullers" I'm toast! (or, as my HaligoniMontreal friend Deirdre, with connections in Placentia and Australia, now in Europe, would say, "I'm fuckeDt!", dam-it! >"Invisible airwaves crackle with life" From the moon over bourbon street? light beer shampoo. But seriously, isn't life light? And what song (block)? David, apres cinq pints (what is pint in english?) soon off to Bel Aire Apts, to face the GE (answering machine) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.R. Dalton - geophysics Ph.D student, M.Sc., a.b.d. - - - Thea's (UBC grad centre) Fri music booker/tech to Mar. 31, 1995. 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:300 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 1:56:53 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503212105.NAA03882@netcom10.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:300 Subject: Re:Sarah on the list Elana wrote: >Sol I refuse to behave a certain way (and I think everybody else shoudl stay >just the same, too) because she may lurk here; If she is lurking here, which one of us do you think she is? If you were Sarah, and lurking, what would you say and do on and off the list? But I don't really think she is, or if she is we shouldn't bother to try and delurk her. But speculation is fun, as long as it isn't harmful spec. But Lane said she is an illiterate, although sometimes cons are found in lanes. But for a technoid, an illiterate, means she is reading and going "ick...ick...ick...ick..." in all ways (Ick!, I see, 'K!, F?ever?, Ha!i.k.u., itc.). So sAid cinqG'DayMate??? But anyway, she can correct my list any day, immoderately speaking. (If she is on the list, I hope she has a good keelh.) >we have the same problem over >on the newt (that's alt.music.nin)--some folks in and around NIN are rumored >to lurk there, and so every idiot in the world posts really stupid shit in the >hopes that trent or somebody will email them. What ninnies! Besides, trent would use a suede-o-nymph! (Peterborough) >(BTW, I am totally in love with the "Out of the Shadows/I Will not Forget You" >medley from the video. It's been going through my head for about a week.) Try listening to it in the other order. 4!=24+3=27+5=32=4*8??? Where were you when the lights went south? >"my love, let nothing come between us, my love for you is strong and true.." Oh? Glad I did a bit of woodworking (no, really, it was metal, a Turner) >"try to understand they grow...the early nighters stop the flow and die young" Yeah, I think delayed menstruation, and multiple spaced menopauses, would increase life span. But wait, is there a K involved? Potassium is found in bananas. >"what have i become my sweetest friend? everyone i know goes away in the end" But sometimes comes back to haunt the beguine. >"you say that things change, my dear...never change...all the white horses.." Close only counts in spare tires??? What does that have to do with crullers! Isn't brewer's yeast much different from lady's fingers? David, 1:55 a.m. Message fte:301 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 15:54:41 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HOH7651Q42004TEW@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:301 Subject: Re:OK, I'm sorry. JOhn wrote: >But I still can't shake that weird vibe. Something is weird, if >not just plain wrong, with everything right now, and I'm usually >not the person to go by "vibes." (Dalton? Any theories?) Have 2 bevi, cool off, let the thread dye of its own A-chord! In Spring, little seeds can sometimes get out of hand. Perhaps we are in the days of wine and roses? (Either way, I'm up chick creek without a paddle.) Dalton a v i d Message fte:302 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 18:44:49 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:302 Subject: freedom sessions, knobs and sliders ------------------------------------------------------------ summary: 1. freedom sessions pre-review (first impressions) 2. mention of another good mary song 3. stuff on knobs and sliders 4. snippets (1%) of the sh-it I luckily didn't post last week ------------------------------------------------------------ 1. freedom sessions first impressions [hey, that rhymed] ------------------------------------------------------------ I braved the rain yesterday to pick up The Freedom Sessions; I'll post a review next week after a few more listens, but I highly recommend it as another side of Sarah and her s-Instruments, a late night relaxed after-hours session when they let it all hang out. It is best played at high volume, so you can feel the nice live bass waves with cross-coupling between voice, bass, and the low unmasked earth harmonics of the wee hours, when the veil is thin and Love shows her face. The "chi" [see footnote] really cooked my hands on a few tracks, like a good live show. At first listen at high volume while I was sitting, "Mary" and the hidden "Hold On" track stood out the most, the "Ol' 55" track is best listened to standing up, preferably with support. Ice, Ice cream, and Elsewhere also were good, Ice made me laugh and cry and rocks like a good jam, Ice Cream has some liqueur and boogie, but the Plenty and first Hold On tracks didn't do _as_ much for me, on first listen. I will review it for real next week, perhaps late on Sat night, after Railway jam and Stoaters and immeasurable (nothing is really measurable, in quantum physics or love) sips of some booze (hey, this might sound even better if you have some red wine in you) at 3 a.m., although I promise to edit it the next day before posting it hither and yon. Anyway, this music is like the last CD for that party that goes to dawn, and you use Ol' 55 for waltzing towards the bedroom after the last guests pass out (in either way). She'd better not put out too many more, everything she puts out becomes a favourite, and there is no more room in my favourites CD rack. Just kidding, I'll have to get a new rack, or demote some other non-S CDs to the alphabetical order rack. Anyway, this torch disk really lights my candle. aside -- explanatory notes on chi: (the resonant cavity of the earth is about 7Hz and seems to be best accessed around 3 a.m. Chi is the tingling sensed by some Tai Chi or Qi Gong practitioners, and maybe weird georomancers, and I think it related to cross-coupling of low frequency acoustics and infrared thermal EM waves in tuned skin. But wait, I sometimes get it through headphones. Maybe it is just that the natural chi is picking up right now, as the wheel turns, but the music is often the key, for me.) ------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- 2. small aside on another mary song -------------------------------------- Last night I fell asleep to FS, and was pissed off when, just as I was drifting off, it started skipping in the middle of Ice Cream. After I got up to clean it off, the drift to sleep was delayed a bit, not quite to Ol' 55 hours though. In the morning, I used Silly Wizard's live CD "Live Wizardry" at a good volume to wake up to, and, while I used to like "The Queen of Argyll" best, now I find that Andy Stewart's version of "The Banks of the Lee" is a great mary song to mumble along to. And those guys play fiddle and accordion so fast they could probably tell me how to solve my tendonitis. (John Cunningham once jammed on fiddle downstairs at the W.I.S.E., after playing two concerts upstairs with Kevin Burke and Christian Lemaitre, until 3 a.m., and I was much more impressed with him there than upstairs.) But I'm a hacker, not a wizard, in Unix. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- 3. some thought on geophysical techniques applied to music ----------------------------------------------------------- (At least I get called "sound" in some ways.) Lately I've been thinking "How the hell am I going to combine my various interests of geophysics, music, computers, and socio-environ-mental health?" Well, of course it is a question of figuring out how to bring the earth back into tune. But I think I will have to start small, often the small gives a clue to the big. So I started thinking about ways to use my knowledge of geophysical signal processing and natural acoustics to develop guidelines and aids for sound engineering and production. Here's a few snippets, probably off base since I haven't learned anything except by hands on, on an 8-channel board, so far. But I am in a rush so the writing won't be up to my usual standard. Sound checks are done in an empty room, with no background noise, and the acoustics change with temperature, humidity, possibly (unlikely) smoke concentration, and the number of bodies. Also the music EQ must be adjusted to properly contrast (or, really, couple with) the ambient background noise. I first considered: why not use complicated math equations for multiple scattering and temperature and humidity changes to make automatic corrections? But that would be silly, it would be way too complex, and not very good. In geophysical oil prospecting, instead of using dynamite in populated areas they use "shaker trucks" that send a sweep (from high to low frequency) into the ground, and get signal response with very low volume, by computer processing. So maybe it would be good to use a reference signal pulse, encoded in the form of such a sweep, to automatically correct for changes in the room acoustics. This would be barely or not audible, could be detected even in the presence of music (which does not share the same sweep form), and if swept from high to low might even (unlikely) help subliminally reduce crowd agitation. (Although, I am not sure how that would affect liquor sales.) This reference sweep would be picked up by a centrally located receiver (a special mic), or perhaps even several scattered around the room. Then cross-correlation with the reference sweep would yield a near-instantaneous "room acoustic filter" which could be compared to that measured during the sound check and then used to correct the EQ, with an automatic update filter. Also, the background noise spectrum could be used to modify the EQ slightly for compensation (i.e., probably boost vocals). In September I talked about whale music, and other natural sounds, and how they might fit into classes based on their cepstrum, which is like the frequency of the frequency, or the wiggle in the EQ, or the way the bass couples with the treble. So probably the overall sound, including background noise, should fit such a pattern, and the individual instruments would as well, for optimum separation. I have to do more reading on the cepstrum and the acoustics of instruments and voice, though. Oh, and with the cepstral patterning, it may be possible to design "solo filters" to enhance solos not just by a volume increase but by adding "urgency" to the cepstral EQ. (Now, that is b-s.) For crowd noise, is it best to boost the music at the frequencies of the crowd noise? Yes, but in doing so the cepstral pattern is distorted, and should be corrected so that the music and the crowd noise form distinct cepstral patterns and also when combined form a cepstral pattern. So this might mean dipping the EQ oustide the crowd frequencies so the area under the EQ curve remains constant, and boosting the volume slightly. OF course, good sound techs wouldn't need this, except on a bad day, but they could use it as a first approximation, and some guidelines might help a lot of garage bands sound better and save the ears of their neighbours. But wait, playing with those knobs and sliders for my favourite performers is, well, almost like being a midwife or something! Well, but with the automatic guidelines, you can concentrate on the fine details, or act as backup in case the computer is feeling down, and actually get to relax and toy with different effects for different moods, etc. There could be an oscilloscope (or direct interface to the EQ) showing instantaneous spectrum for feedback identification and removal. The spectrum of a narrow window of sound computed in near real time (i.e., < 1 sec after the measurement), after feeding some white noise into the system (or several for different main and monitor EQs) would give a room filter function, with the poles of the filter showing the feedback frequencies and the zeroes ones that need to be boosted (frequency sinks). We all know how an EQ can be fine at the start of an evening and then feedback start with the slight shift later in the evening. Well, perhaps this adaptive filter thingie would correct for that. So maybe I can combine my acoustic diffraction, signal processing and musical skills somehow, and keep saving the world as just a hobby. And, as a hacker sound tech, I would like anything that would solve the weak link (me) problem and let me have a beer and listen or dance occasionally instead of contantly nursing the board. The main sources of noise in cities is traffic noise, which pumps into and over the earth. Perhaps the acoustics of this can be modified to make it more natural, then the low hum of the cities will be beneficial rather than agitating. Of course, I am all for modular public transit and tree-like buildings, anyway, as in my posts to misc.urban.transportation in September. I don't like much use of sampling or drum kits or the like, but that may be because the sounds do not fit into one cepstral system, so maybe you can do "adaptive samples", by subtle modification of the sample to a cepstral base, so they would fit together properly. But of course, I know no music theory yet, just what I like. But wait, I find twiddling the knobs and sliders for my favourite performers to be a truly moving experience (i.e., they have helped bring me back into tune). Still, it is nice to have an automatic pilot for the few bad nights when everything is going wrong and you can't figure out why. And if the underlying basics are maintained by the machine, the sound tech can still exercise some artistic control in other areas such as the solo boosting, effects adjustment for mood, etc. Also, some music sounds great at high volume but shitty at low volume, and I bet the EQ or cepstral character can be adaptive with volume to a small extent to give enhanced listening at low volume. (So probably bigger wiggles at low volume. But this might be wrong, I will have to experiment with my graphic equalizer at various volumes the next time I am a wee bit high to find out.) And hearing changes over the day a bit, and the background earth harmonics change, so that could be accounted for in production. Imagine, all the people... singing in tune ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- 4. garbage picking from night-day Jan 5/6 -------------------------------------------- I read over the stuff I wrote on the shaky night and morning after my 35773 byte post, and it is at least 98% sh-it, but here are a couple of seeds from it, edited: I was thinking about ways that two lesbians could have a child, i.e., about egg merger, and one weird thought was that perhaps it should be a combination of a very old egg and a fresh egg, i.e., are the eggs flushed out in iron-rich material dead, can their genetic material be inserted in a fresh egg? The weird thought was that the eggs are best balanced between the curls --- which means, in a null magnetic field, so perhaps a null or reveresed or at least altered background magnetic field would affect the rejection or acceptance of genetic material. So the angel that came to Mary might have been female. Now, for two guys, there would have to be a donated egg from which the yolk was removed, and the guys genetic material somehow inserted (I haven't thought about this yet) and then I guess some Junior procedure (actually, the egg without the genetic material is like a Junior's Mint, with no filling, so centrifuge it???) [I wrote originally: Perhaps the Holy Ghost will do something about Junior's Mints] I also, when thinking about the castrato and clitorectomy tissue donation problem, had some weird thoughts about men wearing a purse (kangeroo pouch) by stretching leather and that it might be safer than the abdominal thingie. Also cysts might actually be useful in reconstruction of lost apparatus. [That last bit is weird, it is related to the fact that I have a tiny cyst, sort of like a third ball, and in my weird state I postulated that it was a dormant ovary, or a tissue sample that I could donate to those in need.] Also, can you test an egg by the way it sounds? Words are endless, except when the period says stop. If a tiny amount of breast milk production was induced early in teenage girls, that would give a (very small) added birth control factor (also see my earlier notes on acoustic birth control, or at least rhythm method improvement) and, more importantly, reduce later risk of breast cancer, possibly stop osteoporosis, and increase pleasure (?) . [Then I went on about Ovid's poem "Facial Treatment for Ladies" as applied to the breasts, very tacky.] Oh, and I can't find it in the 22 pages of sh-it right now, but at one point during the painful empathetic experience of the pain of the global problem of child abuse, I vowed something like "touch any more sweet maries, and your heart will turn to cold stone". What is the password? love I must rush off to the W.I.S.E. to play pool and listen to the round table jam, so I won't spell chekc. David Message fte:303 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 2:36:27 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:303 Subject: Review: Sarah McLachlan --- The Freedom Sessions The _Freedom Sessions_ (FS) is a mini-CD with or without a multi-media (MM) portion; I recommend getting the CD+MM one. There are eight listed audio tracks, plus a hidden track, which are all simpler/earlier/different/more relaxed versions of tracks on the full length album _Fumbling Towards Ecstasy_ (FTE). It sounds like a loose late-night jam session, winding down near dawn, an intimate listen to the band. I recommend it even if you already have FTE. Here are some rough comments, first some notes made after the first listen, then some more recent detailed track notes after several listens, at different times and in different moods. First Impressions (notes made after the first listen) ----------------------------------------------------- I highly recommend it as another side of Sarah and her s-Instruments, a late night relaxed after-hours session when they let it all hang out. It is best played at high volume, so you can feel the nice live bass waves with cross-coupling between voice, bass, guitar and the low unmasked earth harmonics of the wee hours. On first listen, at good enough volume, in the wee hours, a few tracks really cooked (warmed) me, like a good live show. At first listen at high volume while I was sitting, "Mary" and the hidden "Hold On" track stood out the most, the "Ol' 55" track is best listened to standing up, preferably with support. Ice, Ice cream, and Elsewhere also were good, Ice made me laugh and cry and rocks like a good jam, Ice Cream has some liqueur and boogie, but the Plenty and first Hold On tracks didn't do _as_ much for me, on first listen. (See below for later positive comments.) This music is like the last CD for that party that goes to dawn, and you use Ol' 55 for waltzing towards the bedroom after the last guests pass out (in either way). It might sound even better if you have some shared red wine in you and listen at 3 a.m., I haven't tested that yet. Later Notes (after a few listens) ---------------------------------- 1. CD-ROM portion ---------------------- I haven't played with the CD-ROM portion yet, but from what little I tried and from what others have told me, this is definitely worth getting; for not much more money you get a slough of graphic images, video, interview clips, hidden clickable easter eggs, a whole virtual world that you can explore to gain insight into the world of Sarah McLachlan, as filtered and presented with the help of her best friend Crystal Heald. It runs on QuickTime on a fast Macintosh or Windows machine, with at least 8 Mb of RAM. I think the colours work better on a Mac. The US release is slightly upgraded from the Canadian release. The record label, Nettwerk, has a FAQ about this, as well as catalog, web site and mailing list info, they can be reached at nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca . The CD + MM version plays fine on an audio player, but you have to skip the first track or you get over 20 minutes of silence or not very interesting static. 2. Audio Portion --------------------- As I mentioned above, I love the audio portion, and at first listen all but a few of the tracks stood out. Since then, the remaining tracks have also conquered me, with the last to do so being "Plenty". Now here are some detailed notes on the tracks: a. Elsewhere. This is a jammed live version, with a funky rhythm section, sultry night vocals with that ache in the voice that warms you all over. I like it _even_ better than the version on FTE, especially late at night, when FS is the true stereo queen for me. There are waves of bass to warm a corpsicle, some tasty slide, occasional high twangy/jangly acoustic guitar notes to pull at the heartstrings, evoking thoughts of lingerie but not silence :-) . b. Plenty. I still like the FTE version slightly better, but the FS one is an interesting alternative. At first the running commentary of backing subdued "doo-doos" and faint catlike calls put me off, and I thought that her vocals, alone, would be preferable. It seems to be a tale of lost love, perhaps even of a fan (you heard me more than I ever could have imagined) but there is a sense of a promise of regrowth from the stillness. "When I looked into your eyes" evokes images of favourite eyes in the past, notably a pair at New Years. On the FS version the vocals dominate, her voice is less masked by the rhythm section. The catlike calls convey a sense of a stray tomcat. Overall it is good, but I might change the opening. At the end there is a promise of new love at the end, the dye-ing day of yellow spring flowers, of swans necking in colours of their choice. :-) c. Mary. As I mentioned in the "first impressions" paragraph, this and the final hidden Whole Dawn track were my initial favourites on this CD. I like this version even better than the FTE version. There are beautiful achy-breaky vocals, acoustic guitar with vibrato-rich high notes, piano rhythm. There is some drum programming but it is tasteful and subdued, in fact her voice is dominant and conveys a sense of the earth renewing, as we pull together and reconnect with the newly awakened mother earth (metaphorically speaking). There is a promise of hope beyond the fire, the test, of being set on the right path once again. The piano comes out and gets stronger later in the piece, but the guitar remains in balance, and the voice soars with love, over all. d. Good Enough. I like the FTE version slightly better, mainly because I don't like the organs on the FS version; the organs would be more suitable for a choral version though. I would almost prefer an arrangement with a cello or muted trombone, and even sparser foggy arrangement, with her voice soaring over the top. But it is still good, an interesting alternative versus, and her voice is relaxed, and cuts through with a personal feeling, like words spoken at a wedding or funeral (so maybe organs are OK). e. Hold On. This is a sparse version, with voice and piano dominant, a bit jazzy, very slow and soothing, suitable for drifting to sleep holding on to a close friend/lover/pet/pillow/etc. At first I didn't like this as much as the FTE version and the hidden FS track, but now I do, for a different mood, and from a different perspective. This really puts me to sleep, but in a good way, and a promise of a new whole dawn, or re-awakening; also with the same promise to those dying of a terminal illness, with the lover and/or voice to guide you through the fire. But (see later), the hidden track version moved me even more, especially on the first listen (see above). f. Ice Cream. As the liner notes say, this is a lighter, more live feeling version. It has fudge sauce and funky chocolate sprinkles :-) . I like the playful stand-up-like bass sound, which dances with her voice and grounds it. It is suitable for dancing in the kitchen with your favourite pet. But I think the ending is slightly contrived, would rather imagine a tasty breathless/muffled one with some mmmmmm sound or something, or the crunch of the last bit of cone, for coneheads. g. Ice. This is a rocked up version, sounds from the edge, a cool but passionate voice cutting through, with electric guitar distortion showing a curious mixture of pain and pleasure, the sound of glace breaking as we laugh at the random guitar spurts. Her voice has to win a battle with the guitar for control of the river of sound, unlike the other tracks. The rhythm section is a good teamm providing stability, but the main players are voice and guitar here. There are some lyric additions/mods, for the addiction and devotion set. h. Ol' 55. This is a great Tom Waits song, interpreted by the band in a late night jam after what sounds like a good party with plenty of red lubricant and uncorkings. It is perfect for dancing lovers into bedrooms after the last non-lover guests leave, in a fast waltz, with a pronounced swing of the hips "and I lead the pa"[nty]"raid" :-) . But seriously, her voice is again the star, it reeks of emotion, does a few understated low key notes, then, once you are drawn in, washes over you in powerful waves, sets the heart beating true. It was rechorded live, with good harmony vocals, rolling organ, and impressive rhythm punctuation to help set the vocal bird up high. hh. Hold On (hidden track, actually part of Ol' 55 track) This sounds as though it was the original demo, since it has some qualities similar to the Mary track, which was the original demo. There is some beautiful jangly acoustic guitar, with occasional high notes that force you to sit up and pay attention, punctuated by powerful bass, itchy drums, and a growingly passionate smoky/sultry night bird voice, with tears turning to fire in the throat. The voice doesn't cut loose but the emotion does, spilling like the washing of tears, holding you to your seat, where you sit (singing along) watching your lover and sending waves of hope to him/her as the singer does in the song. So, from the earlier piano version, the listener's viewpoint is moved from the recipient of the song to a participant in the singing, feeling the pain of the singer. Still, there is a promise of a whole dawn, to hold one and all. The ending is abbreviated to "hold on for this is gonna hurt like" with no hell, so there is a promise of hope. [In fact, I tend to make my own ending, by replacing HELL with HELLO and/or LOVE.] So in conclusion, I highly recommend The Freedom Sessions. Perhaps one day soon I will comment on the MM portion, although probably not in exhaustive detail, much of the fun is in the surprise. David Message fte:304 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:21:04 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9503241751.AA01296@artwork4.cray.com> Message-ID: fte:304 Subject: Re:Interview in Mademoiselle This whole interview seemed funny to me; isn't Mad. a fashion magazine? Why would they interview her, why would she want to be interviewed by them, and would she give such straight ahead or tongue-in-cheek replies? They won't sell much shampoo from that article, unless the posting is full of it. Kevin D wrote: >In the Interview, first this question: > M: How is your boyfriend - a band member I know you don't want to name - >> different? >> SM: After almost two years, he still gets up before me and makes me a >> cappuccino every morning. He runs baths for me, and he's spent every >> waking hour for days making a wood cabinet for me. I am so spoiled. How >> can you not love a man like that? > > Ok... Cool. But doesn't cappuccino put a nail in your coffin? :-) No, not when done properly! Every waking hour, getting hammered? > But then this question: > >> M: What's your reward when the tour is over? >> SM: I bought a warehouse in Vancouver that I'm gonna fix up and live in. No, secretly she is going to use it for cigarette smuggling, even though she doesn't like SMOKing (yes men?) since she will secretly treat the cigs with a special solution that will enable addicts to give them up for a proper substitute. >> Sixteen-foot ceilings, tons of open space. But for now, I still share a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> place with my four roommates. Rents are expensive here, so it's > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> convenient for us. Especially when said roommies are away on tour so f-in often that they hardly ever play at home, and have little reason to maintain separate digs (except that after a tour, ordinarily you would want a little time apart, but Sarah's band are an exception, they are so close, like a hatband around a swelled head, or a waistband pre-burp). > Did anyone else find this a bit odd? Or am I just odd?? Don't answer > that! ;-) It just surprises me that Sarah and her boyfriend have not > been able to afford a place on their own up until she bought this new > place. And *four* roommates? Sheesh! Vancouver MUST be expensive. :( I would think they have a fine place, with a basement studio, with lots of amenities; such a place can cost a lot in Vancouver, perhaps they are renting from an offshore investor? Hey, a houseboat might be fun, to tour the islands? No more touring? > Hey David D! Not to get too personal here but what kind of digs do you > have? Or are you secretly one of the roommates?? ;-) Rent is much more expensive than back east (St. John's, or I guess Halifax, or Calgary). I used to live with multiple housemates but for the last four years have been in a second floor bachelor pad in an old building in Kitsilano, minutes from Bennie's Bagel's, near the old Nettwerk location, 5 minute walk to the beach, 15 minute walk to either Granville Island or the new Nettwerk digs. So, no, my roommates consist of 1 potted palm, 1 hopefully blooming soon tiger lily, 2 jade plants, 4 spider plants that don't seem to generate spiders but split, a noisy fridge, and no cat (but the neighbour cats occasionally investigate the Strange Music [s.m.]). I have crammed 30 people in for a party before, but not in a while. I don't have a pool, do have a bath, shower, no shower/swim caps though, gas rings, candles, and a flaky hitachi cd player. So I guess my room is my mate; so I tread on red carpet only with bare feet??? Does that mean walking on a back properly helps headaches? I think I might know where the band house is supposed to be but try to avoid that part of town, it is too easy to get lost, plus I'm shy. And I wouldn't be surprised if they maintain a separate digs, like that cabin outside Montreal, between tours. But lets leave them some privacy; who would want to be watched every minute of your life? If I was secretly one of the roommates I sure wouldn't tell you! That would be the quickest way to getting booted out. But I bet a subset of the roommates are on the list. And now I am beginning to suspect trolling! Maybe John Shepherd really is Sarah and is playing with the list? Actually any of you, or several, could be Sarah, so lets treat each other accordingly, shall we? Not that I should have time. Da-fish D, X-pensive -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.R. Dalton - geophysics Ph.D student, M.Sc., a.b.d. - - - Thea's (UBC grad centre) Fri music booker/tech to Mar. 31, 1995. 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:305 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 13:32:51 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:305 Subject: slight addition to last BST I just wanted to mention that the preponderance of bad puns around me, and the _slight_ feeling that someeone might be watching/tracking me, got me to take all my meds this week, so I went back up from 4 LI to 6LI and even 7Li yesterday, will continue on 6Li for now. Also I took a tiny dose of haloperidol yesterday (Mar. 23) which caused me to sleep a lot last night (but miss yoga). I won't take any more h since the onslaught of bad humour has diminished. And since Tuesday I have been avoiding alcohol, I may have one pint tonight but no more. So anyway, my med, sleep and booze intakes _were all forced to be_ good and stable. In such circumstances any high that occurs is usually stable and mostly confined to late night times. Also the solar precursors have come early enough that any high should happen soon and not tail past new moon as in January, when I posted the long 35773 byte post. So don't expect another one of those; just perhaps a revised Freedom Sessions review, a Paperboys review (not here), and a third edition of my graceful swan, awkward poem. s(Wa)m?i? David D Message fte:306 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 16:12:18 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950325024949_60633708@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:306 Subject: Re:Interview in Mme. + p.s. body Lois wrote: >DD wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>This whole interview seemed funny to me; isn't Mad. a fashion > magazine? Why would they interview her<<<<<<<< > >BECAUSE SHE'S SARAH -THE HOTTEST THING TO HAPPEN SINCE .....JALAPENOS. Those little orange Thai peppers are much hotter! What are they called again? I once tricked a friend, J.Cassidy, into eating one by eating one with a straight face and saying "this is sweet, not hot at all", in San Fran. >>>>>>>>why would she want >to be interviewed by them<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >BECAUSE THEY ASKED AND BECAUSE SHE'S SARAH - THE SWEETEST THING TO HAPPEN >SINCE.....TREE SAP. "Tree sap" can taste pretty shitty, until refined, in hot tubs. Were there maple trees around that cabin outside Montreal? >>>>>>They won't sell much > shampoo from that article<<<<<<< > >YEAH, BUT IMAGINE HOW MANY FOLKS ARE NOW CONSIDERING A WAREHOUSE HOMESTEAD. Maybe I was wrong. Overalls seemed to be in at the grad centre last night, that's for sure. (But I suspect a conspiracy!) A house? Where? Is there a Nettwerk garage Sale? Mmee! DD p.s. After meds, sleep, 3 beer last night, walking in, getting some sun (just avoided sitting on a bee), I feel great [mood +1] but no signs of increased energy or decreased sleep. If anything, I have become more numb to the chains of illogic and am following fewer, am more distracted, maybe by spring? Last night at the bar I even missed a double entendre about jelly, my french sucks. But the cosmos is still playing with me, and I am dismissing most as bst, trickster, metaphor, not fear. For example, I briefly thought again that maybe my birthday is not right, or one of my sisters is my mother, or I am an XYZ male who had some real or distant XYZ female sibling(s), even identical/siamese, then adopted out, and that I don't click with any but these virtual/metaphoric "siblings". So anyway I would call that all metaphorical. The other thing was that comehow my body has become an antibody, or culture of antibodies, so my blood/etc may be useful to heal disease, even homeopathically, but maybe that has made me untouchable for a while. I don't really believe this, but it may have a grain of truth, in any case I hope it is over soon, now that the wealth has been spread, like good humus, including my words of "wisdom" to all you elves. (This is my p.s. body, take of it what you will, but leave the tree for the tree huggers, 'k, not bloody pissed lumberjacks.) But why do I feel that I am the only one without a clue??? I feel like the horse with the carrot on a stick in front of it, never reaching it, as the calendar turns, damn it! I will still try to stay out of the hospital and morgue/coroner and related areas though (I'm all for home and midwives). What is real, sirrahg? Time to ring some changes! ----------------- David Dalton -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.R. Dalton - geophysics Ph.D student, M.Sc., a.b.d. - - - Thea's (UBC grad centre) Fri music booker/tech to Mar. 31, 1995. 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:307 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:31:19 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:307 Subject: FRIVOLITY: green ice cream In my last post I mentioned a craving for something green, and after that I wandered through/past 6 food places before finally getting something in the Village Convenience Store. I also walked by a young dandelion patch and didn't touch it. But before I went into the juice bar I grabbed a ripe dandelion, blew away the seeds, then rubbed the stem juice on my finger tips (maybe root is better) thinking that this might be good for a headache (but I didn't have one). Then I rejected carrot and beet and other juices, went into the convenience store and got a tuna salad sandwich (a little green, maybe green onion and celery), wistfully looked at a bok choy, got at A&W Root Beer, and a mint Polar Bar/Eskimo Pie/whatever. So obviously I was looking to get rooted, in fact the whole thing made me feel 5 again, with the mint the mint of my home river (creek), the dandelion the dandelion of everywhere, of my sister Mary's poem, of many many many uses, directly or by analogy. So maybe I am in my second childhood, as we all are. Oh, and at the store I had three fives in my wallet, the total was $4.95 and I got one canadian nickel in change to go with the two $5 bills. Speaking of which, I better apply for a summer student loan soon, even so it will be late, and do my taxes, not that I have an income (so I got the order mixed up, I'd rather the taxes to be late). Anyway, this ET will phone home soon, after that. David P.S. Before I can remember, my family had a tiny store, on the corner of river and street (not a street corner). It is now a play room for my nieces, and rarely used TV room, so embodies both past, future and present, in one shop. Message fte:308 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:24:13 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503270436.XAA06807@server.greatlakes.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: fte:308 Subject: Re:new piano + FRIV Hi Don; you wrote: >Hi! This is a strange reply, you may think, but there are two things that >caught my eye in your early afternoon, Friday post: > >1) "expecting a call from someone named eva": Are you referring to Nicole Eva? No, and it is a first name. I don't know her very well, just mentioned it for the literary effect. Her husband may be coming to a support group I belong to, or she may attend. >2) The lunar moods theory: I am so fascinated with this! A friend of mine >and I were conversing about 2 months ago about this very same thing. It's so >strange that something so far away can have an effect on our moods and >lives. The moon casts a large shadow on the ionosphere, where coupling between the earth and sun takes place, in effect making it a three way coupling, and affecting those who are sensitive. >So! With you talking about this, I am perked with fascination again! >Do you know of anything I could read up on to get a little better grasp of >this teeny-tiny concept? There might be something in Michael Persinger's books. I haven't really done any literature search on it, just talked to people on my support list, and few exhibit cycles similar to mine. >Maybe you could explain it a little to me??? I think that my mood cycles are affected by those of people and systems around me, so that when living with a few people I was pretty stable, then I moved out at age 27 and, after a few more months, with some stress/allnighters, had the initial manic break. This seemed to reset my tuning somehow so that I was closer to the natural cycles, and more sensitive to changes in them. Use of medication, mistakes with alcohol, and lifestyle adjustments were a way of self-tuning further, I now hope I can avoid the big swings. But my theory has been shaken this year, the sun's field underwent reversal and I am still not sure what effect that will have in the next few years. I probably will move back in with roommate(s) again and that may help me/us weather any storms. The main effect of the lower/reversed sun field seems to have been to spread things out, muddy them a bit, and make me less prone to wild mystic/poetic episodes, more to a safer, in-tune, more home-oriented thing. But I am not sure what the summer will bring, that is when things sometimes get more intense. In any case, your cycles are probably different from mine, the only thing I can say is to map out significant mood, sleep and energy changes (lasting 2 days or more) on an annual lunar calendar, and look for possible correlations over lunar month (29.5etc days), solar rotation and multiples of it (27 days, N*27days), e.g. I noted a separation of 162 days between bad (intro/low/irritable) mood and good mood periods. Look for variations with season, this may vary depending on your birthdate and birthclimate in the six months after your birth. Look for changes over the 22 year sunspot cycle. Also see if you are affected by those near you, and their cycles, and see if it is to your benefit to help them with their cycles. David Message fte:309 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 13:48:47 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9503271851.AA14356@rasputin.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: fte:309 Subject: Re:VOX? Kevin Hawkins wrote: >It was a single when it came out, though I never actually heard it at that >point. I don't think Sarah was getting much coverage in the States in >1988-89. :) From what I've heard of the videos, she's still not getting much coverage, overall. (With my diffraction theory background, I should know a lot about shadow zones, but not that type, unfortunately. How do you shade UV? The Shadow knows.) Too bad about the Junos, guess I should have voted more than once. I'm not that big a fan of Celine Dion (but haven't heard her live yet). Re: Courtenay, that's next to Discovery, where there's a Shell station, full of gas, in a Hole in the ground, cutting off a view of Mary's loo. Huh? Burps and farts and septic tanks can't generate that much! Oh, but every little burp counts. On one, on two, on three...check (hip?). What is the proper burping technique, and can it be used to compose? You never would know I still have my wisdom teeth! Did Sarah ever play the early Feathered Pens series? Squib, quill or fountain? I'm heading down, to Grrrls with Guitars, tonight. What about the cob? Oh, he's now in the pen, until the right marole pops. I'd better stop there, there are too many paths, and I'm liable to offend, light the wrong kind of fire, you never can tell. And some kinds of fire are very hard work to windbreak. Laughter helps, hope I, immature as usual. DavidD Message fte:310 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 14:56:17 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503272005.PAA18580@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Message-ID: fte:310 Subject: Re:This is not a good sign. Keep your finger crossed! This sounds by flamebait to me, perhaps intentionally so, started by one or more people who wish to disrupt our group even further, and do some backstabbing and rumour-mongering. Lets ignore this poison, leave the band members private affairs private, and wait for the cool waters of time to wash it away, rumour or not. I hope we haven't been invaded by a squad of chaos creaters, although they usually pull out after enough heat is generated and move on to other unsuspecting game (whereas I'm sucker enough to stay here even when flamed). And I prefer to keep my fingers slightly parted, thank you, or perhaps, alternatively, in the a-ok sign. Can Sarah do her peace+love=happiness (is that right) with the fingers? Is that related to the "F-all" in Fear? I prefer Spring, right now, Fall can wait a few months, except down under I guess. Signs: two high fives = a high 55? What about four high fives? 10 10 that must be an oil grade? Beach oil, I hope. No, Romaine --> Caesar --> XX ? kisses or holey jeans, generic? Both? Shirley, you jest! Multiple choice was never my forte, at least since my mid-teens, I left that to Education students friends who I soundly trashed at badminton and pool regularly (not saying how regularly, though). And, speaking of a cross, my fingerNails are quick typoists (RH+), so maybe I can get that thesis done in three days? Niet! Time for that green vegetable I've been craving, I wonder if it will be broccoli? [Also, what's with the red hair fashion today? Is that related to the green vegetable craving? This is rather muddy, like ancient glassware.] David Message fte:311 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 17:58:16 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9503272133.AA15403@rasputin.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: fte:311 Subject: Re:T-SHIRT: The specs so far Kevin wrote: > a) The fabric quality Perhaps all-natural recycled fibres? (Made from old blue jeans and hemp) >3) Shirts only available to list members. I think we should send one to Sarah for her 27.5 semibirthday, too. >4) What's been decided already: (we voted on these already. :) ) > > a) The t-shirt will be black Oh shucks, I was hoping for zebra, in time for hockey season! > b) The quote for the t-shirt will be: > > "The night is my companion, and solitude my guide/Would I spend forever > here, and not be satisfied?" I still thing just the first line is enough, for a big enough font. Or I guess you could add the words "just once" before the question mark, maybe in a different font since they aren't her words, I guess. >5) We had decided to donate a part of the proceeds from the t-shirt sales > to a charity of Sarah's choice. Sarah has said that her choice would be > Women's Shelters. Karl has done some looking, but couldn't come up with > a national/international organization that was that specific and still > operational. If anyone knows of any nationally/internationally based > women's shelters organizations or wants to look into that more, go right > ahead! :) If we can't find something of that sort, we may want to decide > on a particularly worthy shelter, or one in Sarah's area. I'll worry more > about that when it's closer to the time we need to think about it. This is what prompted me to reply. One possibility is National NOW Action Centre 1006 16th St., N.W., Suite 700, Washington, DC, 20036 (202) 331-0066 with a request that the money be directed to shelters. But I think a donation of volunteer time in your local area would go further. Also, the one above covers just the States, in Canada there is a Status of Women Coalition, I probably have the address at home if you want it. Or check out newsgroups such as alt.support.abuse-partners , even asking there for a likely international organization. Soc.women may have a FAQ file which would list some. (I'm checking right now.) No, there is no Frequently Asked Questions in soc.women, but perhaps it will be posted early in April. Also there is no FAQ for soc.rights.human. But there is a FAQ for soc.feminism, which I just pulled over from rtfm.mit.edu. It is long and very well written so I won't skim it but digest it later in detail. But anyway, under resources it lists many, including International Network of Women in Technology 4641 Burnett Avenue, Sherman Oaks, CA 91403, WITI@cup.portal.com, 818-990-1987 (If they are not the right group they may be able to direct you to one, by e-mail.) Freedom From Hunger 1644 Da Vinci Court Davis, CA, 95617, 916-758-6200 This is an international woman to woman support group, they form support circles of about 30. I strongly vote for the last one above, in terms of money, and the first two maybe some volunteer time. (Damn, scanning this file has moved me to tears, now I'll have a wet t-shirt, or rather sweatshirt, today.) Also, from a scan of newsgroup titles and from my experience on the net, women's issues and women are underrepresented on the net, else there would be more discussion of women's issues in the various soc.culture.* groups. So perhaps the money could go towards establishing a larger presence on the net for women, and giving more women in shelters access to the net, in effect an extended shelter support system on the net. Ideally this could be combined with a portable unit that would hook them in (at choice) for safety reasons; offenders could also be hooked in/monitored until they have redeemed themselves. (I guess Big Sis is watching, this semester.) David Dalton p.s. I just scanned soc.women and soc.rights.human and there is very little discussion of women's rights there, more of "who pays for lunch" in the first and "bigots" in the second. I guess that's one answer. :-| But the soc.feminism FAQ is worth a look, it is at rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/soc/feminism/ in a few different files. I haven't read it all yet, though, there are probably bits that could be improved on, but I'm not about to stick my hand in unless asked to or tolled to. Now I need a cheep laugh, so if we give the shirt to Sarah make sure it meets her s-pecs. Oh, the yarn, is woven like coil spring of ram's tail hair, light travels along the axis, fast, and sound and other matter movements look like they travel slow but actually there is a component or two along the direction of the coil (right along the direction for compressional waves and sort of elliptically off for the shear waves). So maybe the SP-ring can be adjusted to somehow make instantaneous matter movement possible (S=shear, P=compression, E=electromagnetic). How's that for a yarn? Reminds me to get my hair cut soon. Oh, and yarn is sometimes used for knitting, and even in sewing circles, which are like the support circles above, except that maybe men can join??? Or is this as useless as paps on a mule. :-( p.p.s. I like an extra long shirt, and big, so that when you grow or it shrinks it fits, and can be used as a nightrobe, not a lab coat, even though labs are black. But stress has kept the beer belly and spare tire away for me, it sure can't be exercise. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D.R. Dalton - geophysics Ph.D student, M.Sc., a.b.d. - - - Thea's (UBC grad centre) Fri music booker/tech to Mar. 31, 1995. 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:312 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 14:21:33 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199503280629.BAA13616@server.greatlakes.k12.mi.us> Message-ID: fte:312 Subject: Re:new piano + FRIV A quick reply, I have to run. Yes, it is a listserv, called pendulum, undigested, twice the traffic of fte. There is also a newsgroup called alt.support.depression.manic but that is carried by fewer sites than alt.support.depression and sci.med.psychobiology. No, it is not just the moon, but the total environment, so your air quality, climate, light intensity, dietary changes over time, exercise, alcohol, sleep disruption (sometimes an all-nighter will cause delayed problems), anything you interact with. But the moon and close cycles are strong, and may protect you against some others. :-) Bye for now, David Message fte:313 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 14:41:02 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199504062042.NAA06627@ix3.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:313 Subject: 2murs and 3murs (was Re:Sarah on backing vox) Rachel wrote: >ugh! thanx for the reminder that i MUST join the fan club soon. :) >does anyone happen to know why they named it "murmur"? my buddy ryan >and i were discussing this earlier, and we can't figure this one out... Hey, I knew a Buddy Ryan once. Or wait, was that his last name? Murmur sounds like a pantyhose brand, cranberry colour. What's a murmurmaid? A maid with two femurs? What sound do you get when you rub femurs together? It depends on whose. Sometimes it could be two purrs. From the below definitions, it covers many of the bases of fan feedback, along with the water wave aspect, which we know is dear. Oh, for the murmur of the ocean waves, in the depths of night, that fertilizer of great lyrics! DEFINE murmur mur-mur n. 1. A low, indistinct, and continuous sound: the murmur of the waves. 2. An indistinct complaint; mutter. 3. A whispered utterance: a murmur of approval. 4. Med. An abnormal sound, usually in the thoracic cavity, derived from the heart or lungs and detected by the ear or a device such as a stethoscope. -v. -mured,- mur-ing,- murs.-intr. 1. To make a low, continuous, and indistinct sound or succession of sounds. 2. To complain in low mumbling tones; grumble.-tr. To say in a low indistinct voice; utter indistinctly.[ME murmure To: Message-ID: fte:314 Subject: FRIV: Ol' 55 and chemistry Earlier I started browsing through my officemate Guy Cross's 1970 CRC Handbook, at first to see if there was such a thing as Boron diamond (there isn't, but boron nitride forms a _very_ useful diamond hard heat conducting electrical insulating material), then to speculate on lithium isotopes, but mainly to speculate on the number 55 some more. Cesium has an atomic number of 55, is in the lithium family, and has some very interesting properties. It is the most alkaline element, reacts explosively with cold water, and reacts (attacks) ICE at temperatures above -116 deg C. Cesium hydroxide is the strongest bass known, and eats glass. Cesium is used in atomic cocks and for ion propulsion systems, and has the chemical symbol Cs. I wonder does it eat CDs. Manganese has the atomic weight closest to 55 (I wonder what alcohol has the molecular weight closest to 55), at 54.9380. It has only one natural form, with 25 protons and 30 neutrons. Iron has an average atomic weight of 55.847, and has one isotope, with natural percentage less than 0.01%, with 26 protons and 29 neutrons for a isotope number of 55. This has a half life of 2.6 years and I think gives off "Mn X-rays", which is interesting since I am just starting to think about looking at solar X-ray output more closely. The 2.6 year number is 1/4 of the 11 yr solar sunspot semicycle (it just reversed to the 11 yr reversed polarity semicycle, I think). But that is all unrelated. Also some iron comes from meteorites, some from daughter products (radioactive decay), and iron in its many forms is responsible for most of the natural colours on the earth, according to Dr. Shoemaker on Wednesday. So, enough of 55, which was cropping up far too often in my change numbers/etc. Earlier I speculated that perhaps a lesser fraction of lithium would be the most beneficial. In the handbook, it turns out that 3-Li-6 has a natural percentage of 7.42% 3-Li-7 (four neutrons) occurs at 92.58% 3-Li-5 0% but appears to be stable??? 3-Li-8 0% half life 0.855 they left off the units so I guess 0.85s 3-Li-9 0% half life 0.175 again no units so UI guess 0.17s So anyway, I hope that the 3-Li-6 (3 neutrons and 3 prtotons) is actually medically more beneficial than 3-Li-7, or the other way around (since I am 7). Thus the best part could be separated out and the side effects reduced. Re Ol' 55: maybe those thorns injected me with a dose of mildly radioactive 26-Fe-55 for three years of schooling to natural cycles. Maybe 26-Fe-55 will cure PMS!!! (Ha! It is probably poisonous at large doses but small doses injected into the worst source of pain, often someone else, might help.) Now I'll have to check out that alcohol question, which alcohol molecular weight is closest to being divisible by 55. David Message fte:315 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 19:28:09 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:315 Subject: BST: birth of a new day [re-re-sent] 7:28 p.m. PDT, Vancouver [I have reposted this a second time, since my first bounce copy was badly truncated, and my second attempt never did get back to me. First I will make some minor edits, and checks for taste. Apologies if this is a duplicate. From the first version, in addition to the minor edits, I have also added a short p.s. at the end. There is some content near the end, else it is a ramble. New stuff in square brackets [.] ] ------------------- Hi all; I've been quiet lately, partly due to late March volunteer commitments and partly to an early April "April fool" period in which I was a fool, at home, doing innocuous things such as cooking and candle-making to save the world, from Saturday to Monday. It wasn't bad, but it took me a while to fumble out of it, with the help of some good music, food, baths and sunshine, of course. I had a mild delusion that the sun was going out or was being duplicated, or perhaps the earth was being duplicated to five or more earths, or even a Dyson sphere, so that on the dye-ing day I was somehow opening the way, for people to take worlds of their choice, perhaps leaving me behind, all alone. But anyway, I knocked myself out of it with a tiny bit of emergency meds and a lot of sleep the last two nights. I'm still a bit dopey and serious today, no poems for you. [It seems that in this year of sunspot reversal my occasional fun pre-new-moon periods have gradually moved to post-new-moon shaky periods (of a few days). I now hope that my full moons will get nicer in exchange.] So anyway, this early April thing wasn't really a fun one, but a struggle/fumble to keep the world in some order (I felt a new order), and I still hope for a fun poetic one in late May. [Maybe now my old prediction is off, and I will have to be careful after the late May new moon and the late April new moon, or get support, but instead expect good things around Easter or a May full moon late May Day.] One delusion I had was that somehow I was enabling women to properly regulate attraction and menstruation cycles so as to optimize fertility and extend life. So the first menstruation would be delayed, and later ones maybe shorter and spread out more, with a longer lifespan. [But really I was somehow getting tossed by the waves.] Also unless women choose to want a man, he wouldn't really be able to have the hots for her [up close], and possibly his fertility wouldn't turn on until she sang so. And putting it on "ice" would mean halting fertility until it was desirable, but not halting sexual desires, I guess. Near the end of the episode, a London Life Freedom 55 agent knocked on my door and gave me a brochure. I felt a bit of relief at this, as to me it meant that he and other evangelical types were taking the burden away from me, that I wouldn't be stuck in "hell" forever. Also that same day I was sunbathing, thinking thoughts about the sun, how it was turning my dark hair instantly blonde or something, and a swift bird (or bird spirit, I envisioned a raven) flew by just overhead, taking away my burden/bag of secrets, after the ritual rebirth of the new day was complete. [Actually, I think it was just a shadow of a gull, or smaller bird, like Jonathan Livingstone, and relate this to a new "tuning" to the new, reversed branch of the sunspot cycle.] Also today I had to have a [dime-sized] sebaceous cyst on the back of my neck removed with some minor plastic surgery. During my mild delusional episode I had thoughts that this cyst could be cloned or the cells grown and it would provide manna and a cure-all for the masses. (But this was all internal, and no worse than a good joint, I bet, and it was confined to the weekend.) I liken this cyst to a pocket or bubble universe that was impinging on ours over the last little while, or which I gave birth to on the weekend (have had it for months, though). It can also be likened to the second head of Cerebus (female, is that like Ceres bus[s]?), or the head of the celtic god Bran or even John the Baptist, in some ways, cut off to serve the queen bee. (And I did see a rather large bee outside on the weekend, no wasps though.) But having the cyst (not sis) cut off today means that I will have to delay doing my dirty laundry even further, towards 3 weeks. [Since then people have asked me if I've seen "How to get ahead in advertising"] Oh, and on the weekend, at one point I had a bunch of CDs, lyric sheets, and jewel boxed laid out on my flowered sofa bed (which was in sofa form). I covered the CDs with a yard by foot size fringed 2-sided mexican rug, likening that to a magic rug. Later I swept the whole bunch to the carpet, and picked out one to play. But I forget all the details so I won't try to reconstruct them. The magic rug was somehow conveying the CD info to another realm. I did make an unusual candle made from the fragments of all old candles/shooters from old rituals and good times. I only had two cups of wax, to which I added some mildly scented baby [lanolin] soap, and then water to take out the impurities, then poured it all into an Avalon milk bottle, inserted a blue tapered candle as a wick, allowed to cool a bit, then shoved it in the freezer, encased in bread pans, to crack the bottle. After a long time, that didn't work, so I boiled some water, cracked the bottle, removed the candle, and took the odd gel at the bottom (lanolin soap, water, some scent, some wax) and added it to my shampoo blend (Finesse, Goldwell, Safeway Dual Care), representative of a shampoo planet. The candle has two wicks, but only one can be lit at a time, and indeed until the top one burns down a bit, only one can be lit. This may be representative of the sun and the black taper behind it, backup to the sun, or even a source for each new day. [Maybe each wick represents one polarity of the sunspot cycle. Also I put the shampoo mix in an empty "The Only Solution" orange conditioner bottle, and it seems to work OK, although I still use some AuWell conditioner after.] Oh, and I also made some squid/tomato/rotini/etc stew on Monday, with the sauce seeded with the last of my vegetarian soup. That went down well with a dozen bagels, one of each type. I used a whole pound of squid, onions, garlic, spinach and lots more. It looks as though I will miss Mount Baker tonight, someone post a report after. "Patty cake, patty cake, baker's man, make 'em and bake 'em as fast as you can..." David Dalton p.s. One other thread of my mild delusion on the weekend was that somehow everyone's sexual desire had been iced, except for mine, and that by doing the candle-making and other rituals I was also relighting the way for others, but that such icing could easily re-occur if we all didn't try to fit in with the natural systems. But this has mythic analogies in spring rebirth, and may be even more appropriate for the May Day type dances and fertility rituals, or even the Easter type rebirth. Also, after coming down from the weekend, I feel sort of iced, but nothing that a few more days rest can't cure. [Actually I felt fine this morning, now that all my emergency medication is out of my system, and some more squid pasta is in the system, plus great yoga last night. Message fte:316 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 19:51:05 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HP0Y4IY33A007SXZ@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:316 Subject: tuned boots, moods, etc (was Re: Yknow) [I am reposting this, with slight edits, since I didn't get a bounce after a long time in which I got a few other bounces. 7:51 p.m. PDT Vancouver.] --------------------------------------------------------- John Shepard wrote a long review, which I will now leech off of with some on-topic stuff and some other short off-topic stuff. His review included: J> There Dad "informed" me that every conversation we'd had that J> day was either about Sarah or about computers. ... Anyway, he J> "pointed out" to me that there's a world outside the computer, For many on the list, it is probably exams, which, along with the break in the tour and the addition of the pseudo-digest, is why the list has slowed down. J> I remarked to Cathy that we should all have little nametags with our J> Email addresses on them, because I wouldn't know David Dalton from Ira J> Flax in that crowd (this was after Ira's massive flame of me, J> and before the apology). I take it Cathy's met David, no? Of course not, this is really a pseudonym, only the Shadow knows! Nametags! You have to guess from your computer image and the way people act. That would be a fun party, get all the fte list people in one room and try to guess who is who, at first. Direct full power to the shields, Ms. Troy! [Actually I went to the NettShop once and bought stuff from Cathy and I think she knew who I was but I was too embarassed to introduce myself since I'm really normal most of the time and most hours of the day, unless I know someone rather well.] J> I was complaining about the slender blonde Darth Vader who sat down in J> front of me. :-( I could literally see everything on the stage J> except the center microphone. Bummer. I made myself look like an J> asshole (life imitates Internet) asking the woman to "scoot J> down" in the seat, Why didn't you ask to sit in her lap? :-) Then you would probably have to evade her dart. J> The stupid answer is hell yes. [Hell, in her lap? Not likely.] J> Paula seems to function extremely well in the lower part of her J> range, but seems to lose volume when she goes higher. I think J> the audience noticed that. But the sound tech should have been able to fix that, or a better microphone, or better room, [or I can recommend an audiologist or six to you.] J> Sarah takes center stage to a round of applause. She wore the same J> black slacks and the same safety steel-toe workboots as she did J> in Indy (what's the deal with those boots? Obviously they must have magnetic toes, for working in zero gravity, and some built in bass resonators to give her toes a buzz as she sings and help keep things on track. Or maybe some fans have been tossing rather heavy flowers. [They must be a good impediment to stage divers, too. Are the steel toes in tune, like Caribbean drums? Maybe Paula and Stompin' Tom Connors have influenced her... "I am the wind". But really, it is to say "if any of you technogeeks post any more booted lyrics then this steel toes are going to go you know where"] J> Oh, and her hair in braids... :-) Damn she looked cute. She _is_ acute too. But what about whiplash? Aside/BST: What's a B-raid? Is it related to the ongoing reversal of the sun's magnetic field, which seems to have screwed up my nice new moon/full moon patterns. Now I don't know what to expect anymore, and must drink in moderation or not at all all the time. [This year the pre-new-moon clean poetic hypomanias have shifted towards post-new-moon mild mixed ones, and I hope the pre-full-moon mixed alcohol-sensitive ones will shift towards full-moon-centred or post-full-moon nice erotic/poetic ones. But I won't know until after a few more (another year) so for now MUST be self-observant and tight!] Actually maybe I'll just do some more creative science with my recent data, and loosen up in new directions. J> As I said before, she was in an exquisitely wonderful mood all J> night. She was in Atlanta the night before, came in that day at J> 3:00 in the afternoon to do a radio appearance, and as of 8 or 9 J> that night, she was still unusually happy. When she's happy, her J> performance matches her mood, and the audience is happy. The J> audience was... shall we say, reacting positively. :-) But sometimes an angry/on-fire performance is just as moving, indeed will move the audience to fire. [How do you tell she's Happy? I thought that was the ecto list's domain. Plus there's a relaxed kind of happy, and a party animal kind of happy, and they could run in cycles so as to avoid the blahs, headaches, etc.] J> I guess that's kind of a J> drag..." Hmmm... so she _has_ been reading my posts. :-) But there are good drags and bad drags, right? Speaking of which, I have to do 3 weeks of laundry tomorrow; tonight may go down late to the wing dingy ding, even with these stitches in my neck until next Thursday (I feel like an Easter turkey). [Speaking of drags, I am now likening the sun's cycle to inhaling and exhaling, with the moon also doing a side thing to make smoke rings.] [Bside: You know, I bet the keys to my mood prediction are in the finished portions of my thesis "work", the horns of time and all that jazz. What's left is just smoothing and retiring, but that can take forever, with the battle of spare tires. Actually the keys are everywhere if you're in tune, or is it cross-tune, whatever that is, hey Shannon (Home ref).] ??? J> "Fall From Grace." Now, why was the spoken intro so short on J> this one? I wonder. Great song, although having the whole band J> behind her might help it a bit. The song evokes images of cold, J> winter, Another Montreal area song? Or just metaphorical cold? Big Aside: I was in Montreal for 2ish days early in the winter of 1985, for an interview that led to me coming to Vancouver in September (inquisition panel). That reminds me of the time I was in Halifax for a page program interview, in the spring of 1980, at age 16, for about 2 days and one night. But in that case I flunked the interview since I froze and my oral french sucked. In both cities I felt lost and knew no-one, as in Vancouver in the first while. I doubt that Sarah was working restaurants/etc at age 12 so it is unlikely we crossed paths in Halifax, but there was a (older) hotel maid... [not really] CitaDelShannon??? J> "Back Door Man" I have a new interpretation of this one I'll J> post later. Part of my ritual this past weekend involved suntanning out on my fire escape (which for me is the back door) and imagining me and the world getting scrambled back into order, like in exchange of senses, which has geophysical technology analogies, or just like getting the old mic cables crossed by mistake. J> Absolutely wonderful. And then Ash and Dave kissed J> Sarah on both cheeks... All four? I guess if you can kiss with your knees too. Is that what the holey jeans are for? David Dalton Oh, I got some cornmeal and choccolate chips last night and will make some c.c.c-bread soon, modifying my johnnycake recipe according to elana's guidelines. I'm still working through my squid pasta but wouldn't serve it to guests, friends maybe. (reminds me of a curried chicken liver casserole of long ago) Message fte:317 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 22:52:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:317 Subject: FRIV: OL '55/2, chess, and I feel great! Last night the Wingnuts reminded me that 55/2=27.5, which is when the sun grabbed me by the middle eye, and that 0/2=0, and more. Also I noted that the square one in on the diagonal of the chessboard tables at the Railway is square #55, and put my fourth pint there (no ill effects). But I missed Kim Linekin, I got there just after her set. (Do you guys know who she is?) I feel great, really sound sleep, great mood, stable energy, better than in ages! This was true somewhat last night but is especially true today (Saturday). Now I know you are all going "oh no, poetry blitz in three days, hospital in five" but really this is not like mania at all but like somehow last week a barrier was breached and I feel free (but not like doing any programming). But knowing myself, this won't last long. I think women have been eying me more than usual but probably I'm imagining that, unless they are feeling the "strong solar wind and significant northward solar magnetic field component" as well. Could be dangerous! Shields on. (Actually outwardly I'm still acting a bit gruff even though inside I'm all bubbly.) Today I didn't play any Sarah, except for Steaming on a Canuck compilation tape of little psychic significance to me (i.e., it was stuff not on my "power tapes") and Mary to set off another river song. But Mary skipped so I had to clean off the FS CD, it looked like some wax had gotten on there. After a bit of spit and gentle outward rubbing with old underwear rag, Mary played fine. I just got back from a talk by Roger Penrose, of The Emperor's New Mind and now Shadows of the Mind fame, but didn't buy Shadows. His name reminds me of the Rose, and of the archaic pen definition (pen is es?). During the talk, and now, I get good chi/handwarming, some flashes, including one on the edge of the hand which I interprete as a sign to break the word. The word was "relativist". Relate i vista? Also Schroedinger's cat inspired some madness that maybe after a certain length of time, the speed of light steps up, i.e., light itself goes into warp drive outside the planetary realm, and we can exploit this by some kind of spaceship tiddly-winks. But we can't say "Cream me up, Scotty" to the lass in the tartan without certain other missing marginal bits. I also started some anagrams for "The Freedom Sessions", just a sample few, but left them home. One had something like "Dosses? Home Fires Nests only better. It will have to wait until Monday, I'm playing softball and pool tomorrow. (The first one, which I forget, is better. Anybody else want to try some? You could leave off the The, or change The to Tea but I prefer to leave the the in.) Before I leave I will look at that Fall from Grace poemette again and see if I can fix it (mine, not hers). If I get something closer to right, I'll post it. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) [A high five, for Palm Sunday] David Message fte:318 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 1:02:40 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:318 Subject: frIVr: necking swan, take 3 explanatory notes: G.O. = geometrical optics = ray tracing (which an Amiga can do, right JS?) Ness if hi you want gogo i'll GO fall, fRom ~~~~~a__graze___ _____float~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ o f - v E a e . R Now swans twist and turn, and they have tail feathers, and their legs aren't that long and their neck is much nicer but that will have to do for tonight. But obviousLy is it still unfinished. I'll have to go by Stanley Park again soon to check out the necking habits of swans and get some tips on important spots and movements (I am from Lakeview, on the Avalon, after all, though it sometimes sounds like Legview, and I don't think I've seen Swan Lake, or Swan egg for that mater.) This poem is not doing anything, so I will just have to get some rhythm and go back to the old style. But uh oh, it is 12:33 a.m., so I must run before the buss turns into a pumpkin (plus the list is so quiet my posts will stand out too much if I keep at it until moonset, or have I?). DDDDDDDDDDDDDRDDDDDDDDDDDDHDDDDDDDDDDDDWDDDDDDDDDDDBDDDDDD (D's ease?) p.s. No p.s. tonight! No lips either :-( p.p.s. 11 yr sunspot semicycle/2 = 5.5 years p.p.p.s. I feel 11 years younger (1984! Aura well! Fire!) YIELD, yellow D! (not yell ow) RETURN EXIT END CULDESAC STEP! (pest) S-lang teasers? Mmmmmmmmmmm... (foreign tongue, 4gotten) This is silly, I should be at a party somewhere, acting normal and trying to fall, especially since this nice mood is unlikely to last long, right? Now all I need is some beach weather. Oh, and I will make that chocolate chip cornbread soon, was going to do it tonight but now tomorrow around midnight is more likely. I also came across a great hot cross bun :-) recipe for easter but have to get some yeast first. And all the squid is gone so its back totofu. But there's no tide in Kansas! (Sorry) Did the good witch or bad witch wear red shoes, like that Kate bush CD? Do steel toes rust? 1:02 a.m. -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:319 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:31:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:319 Subject: FRIV: fs anagrams, etc. As promised, here a few sample anagrams for "The Freedom Sessions". I didn't go into hermit mode with my scrabble letters, so there are only a few, you'll have to do the rest. Also there are probably some good 2 word and 3 word ones but I haven't really bothered (I only spent a half hour on this, whereas I spent over 12 on the FTE mammoth list.) The Freedom Sessions ---------------------- fish some stoned seer fish some toned seers fishnet seeds Om rose Rose O messed fishnet SOS, nested home fires dosses? home, fire, nest HOME DOE S ENT FIRE S S S etc, but I'm lazy. Any good 3-word or 2-word ones? David p.s. I just read my Sat. night post and it isn't as good as I thought. Sat. night I got to bed (lights out) at 3:33 a.m., which is 3.55 hours after midnight, unintentionally. But for some perverse reason I've been waking up early every morning, and got only 5 hours of sleep. My mood on Sunday was still good, but not nearly as good as Saturday night, I was slightly edgy, with coldd hands, and a touch irritated by traffic/smoke/etc. And my pool game sucked, it will have to pick up for tomorrow night's Koerner's pool tourney, if I am to beat those lawyers-in-love and others. But hell, I still feel unusually stable this week, and woke 8:15 this morning even after 4 beer from 2:30 to 10:30 p.m. yesterday (with a break from 4 to 8). Oh, and I made the chocolate chip corn bread, although I left Elana's (figgypucker) mod instructions here and coulddn't remember if the chips went on the bottom or were mixed in, so I mixed them in. It turned out good, but I should have reduced the sugar slightly when I added the ships and also left it in 5 minutes too long so it is a touch dry. work? krow Message fte:320 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:53:38 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:320 Subject: sarah sabbatical I forgot to mention in my last post that my portable CD player died this morning, in the middle of Eat the Music from Kate Bush's Red Shoes CD (or was it the next track?). So now both my CD players are on the fritz and thus I will have to take a short sabbatical from listening to sarah. (But really I think it is just the adaptor and I can jiggle it to fix it later; or take the back off my home player and give it some cts soft hits again for a temporary fix. Now's when I wish I hadn't been a slacker in electronics lab.) So not only do I feel younger this week, I will be stuck with older technology (LPs and CS). I take back my comments about my chocolate chip cornbread, I had some at lunch and it is mmmmm mmmmm. Re the rumours of Sarah and the Edmonton symphony, I thought her band was big enough already, and I've never made any conquests in white satin drawers so I don't approve. (Seriously, it sounds like fun, Marcuse-ian fus-ion allus-ion.) You know, I think I'm back to normal but still have my weird training. School's Out For Summer!!! I wish. Are there any good Easter eggs on FS? There is a Power Mac down the hall, which I might try it on after hours (when's that?), maybe Saturday I'll get the astro types to aim the free public viewing telescope at the moon, call it a night of rose' wine, and afterward hit the Mac. Not likely, enough geekhood, Saturday night's all right for a beach walk, methinks. Actually maybe I'll have a party, if my CD player resurrects in 3 days. Oh, and anyone in town we are showing Stan Rogers bio video on the upstairs grad centre biggish screen and I will put the sound through the sound board, on Thursday 7:30ish, but the bar won't be open (downstairs after). Now I'm off to practice pool for 1 hour, to get used to the bigger Q ball again (switching screws up angle and bank shots). But no more, last tourney I played 13 games the night before and was useless in the tourney. Actually I should do some work too today since I feel sHarp. Plus it is time to forget about this list and ask some real women out to not talk about music or geophysics or computers? But I'm afraid I don't fit the personal ad pictures. Hmmm "10*pi aged manic depressive perpetual student night person, lost in the well of mystic love, seeks partner(s) in play..." Don't be silly, if my soulmate is out there, we will be inexorably drawn together at the right time, with the gentle whisper of mother earth luring us on so there is no chance of Fear. But I'm impatient and discouraged at times. [I could do a love "spell" or something but the only time I did something like that it seemed to work in a "bad return" way. It was a year ago, involved a woman I hadn't seen in a month, and then the morning after I oddly/accidentally ran into her, invited her for supper at my place, later to a concert, but things cooled, probably from my shell or lack of some practical personal ad characteristics or just plain incompatability. So workings don't last if there isn't already a sound foundation, but then... ? Anyway for now most of my ritual mystic/etc energy goes to the earth, and improving it, and any women invoked are just inspiration. i.e., I can't seem to try and benefit myself or it goes shallow, must be the tendonitis :-)] Oh what will the full moon bring? Probably the big 0 or O, and maybe I will do something involving chocolate (nibble ears). But all my old obsessions (not that I had many lately) are gone, I have just about given up on Sarah except as a musical mentor, have a roving eye, and will soon let some woman break my shell. What shell? I should put up a fake shell, like many guys, but I'm a fool, cannot fool (around). But as usual, I am probably far-seeing and missing something right under my nose, like in a bar where I look all around for my friends when they are sitting at the closest table. David. p.s. By spell I didn't mean a fixed recipe spell, but more a dance/sculpture of favourite objects/music/etc building to intellectual or other passion in the dark of night, and somehow symbolically linking things together. Sometimes elements remeain the same, but the fine details are improvised. And I don't do that very often, only when a bit high and up late and feeling playful, and (so far) alone. I promise to post les. (or more about music) p.p.s. mexican omelette reminds me of one christmas when my brother was visiting and we were at the grad centre for the last night before the break; they had a whack of nacho vegetables left over and gave them to me to take home, and I made a big omelette the next day. But there were too many olives and not enough cilantro. ATAN(0.55)=? Message fte:321 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:12:34 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199504111649.CAA07703@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: fte:321 Subject: Re:"co-headlining"? Ira wrote: >Anyone know what it means that Sarah is "co-headlining" with the Chieftains? >Does this mean she's the opening act? Does it mean she does an >abbreviated set, as in her European tour? Usually it means what it says, that they have relatively equal billing and set length, and sometimes even they switch order on successive nights. Probably it means a more normal length set, with less musician bladder control problems [? :-)], rather than the marathon set. Maybe Cathy will elaborate. So, speaking of bladder control problems, maybe these planned encores are a way to ensure that the band isn't in a pissy mood at the end of the set. Planned encorehood? Mary walks down to the river... Does a steel guitar rust? (I was just thinking about my earlier comments on that Pink Floyd song.) What's a head lining? Phone surveyor: "Could I speak to one of the co-heads of the household? It's a survey about co-habits." Reminds me, I have to get my stitches out on Thursday, and then see my shrink, Dr. Sehon, let him know all is well. (His name reminds me of the Gateway trilogy, and CHON food factories. What was Robinette's partner's nickname again?) Now time for my solar nap, then more work (I'm actually doing a bit of real work today, feel sharp, should be enough to keep the supervisor happy for a while.) David p.s. last night at pool I played medium level, but then after we were done fooled around on some shots, and got a 3-bank on cue onto ball on corner and in; then other way 3-bank on corner on cue onto ball 18" from pocket into corner and in, then took the cue and rolled it with my hand five banks and in, then said "wow, I'd better go home". So tonight I'll probably be off. Message fte:322 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 15:59:19 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:322 Subject: BST: astro notes Here are some interesting snippets: Around May 21--22 Saturn's rings will be edge on to us and will appear to have disappeared, this is part of the myth of Saturn recycling his children, and I guess when the rings start to appear again is when he starts regurgitating children. So obviously Saturn is not a destroyer, but protector (the rings are shielded, not eaten) and creator (the rings come back in their full glory). Pre-dawn MAy 27 the waning crescent moon will exhibit a conjunction with venus near the horizon. I think there are some partial eclipses in APril but haven't been keeping track. Full moon is about 12:08 GMT Apr. 15, so the night of the 14th and 15th should be nearly as full. David ., Message fte:323 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 16:07:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:323 Subject: BST: astro note p.s. I just checked the April Sky and Telescope (I looked at May before) and in the wee hours of Apr. 15 there will be a partial lunar eclipse and ALSO the full moon will occult a first magnitude star, called Spica. (spice, eh?) SO that is the night of Apr.14/15, Friday night/Sat morn. I will relate all this to music later, maybe. DD Message fte:324 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 23:30:40 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HP7YQZPHKM00CL2T@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:324 Subject: Re:Stuff... Squid wrote: >Break out the soldering irons! With all those chips/etc that need to be tested? For the adaptor problem maybe, but not the home CD player. For that I will have to bribe one of my practical friends with a beer. I'm more likely to take something apart and forget how to put it back together, or have parts left over. >A few years ago I dreamed the world came to an end and I was in >heaven, along with several friends plus family etc. In a "cameo" >appearance in the dream, I met Sarah, who was wearing jeans and >a flannel shirt; she had a pair of headphones she'd soldered >together herself. In the Nutcracker there's a tin soldier, right? What's a camel-O? Is that a soap? If so, why was she wearing anything? Faulty dream! (Actually I don't dream, and can't even call her face into my mind, so I envy you.) >If older technology simply means analog, how come Pierre tapes >Sarah on analog tape prior to mixdown? It's that hiss, you know, from the garden of Eden, with those nice low chi harmonics that I rave about that get clipped somehow by the digital filters that haven't been properly designed. Ana-log-O? And does Pierre do the tapping, or an engineer, prior to Pierre's artistic knob and slider twiddling? David p.s. my pool game was mortal tonight, it peaked last night at 9ish p.m., was good around 6 p.m. today (Tues), then faded. But I tend to choke under pressure. p.p.s. My first astro note didn't bounce to me, so I will repeat the info: Around May 21--22 Saturn's rings will be edge on and invisible, then they will start to come back, as part of a 14.7 year cycle. In the wee hours of May 27 (pre-dawn May 26/27 night) Venus will be in conjunction with the waning crescent moon. A while ago I predicted good things for me around then, but based on my more recent observations I will have to be careful. The second note said that around 2 a.m. PDT the night of Apr. 14/15 the moon will occlude a star called Spica (S pick a note). Towards dawn there will be a partial lunar eclipse of the nearly full moon, setting in the sea. But I think the eclipse is less noticeable here than further east. The tide is high, and I'm moving on... Message fte:325 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 11:51:57 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:325 Subject: Re:sarah's summer dates Chrissy wrote: >only comment is this: Sarah is playing at Sandcastles...Sandcastles is a >waterpark here. Does anyone else find it a little odd that she is >playing at a waterpark? No. "the only comfort is the moving of a river boat" "Mary walks down to the riviera" "all that came back was the Tyde" "drawn to the rhythm of the c" etc I wonder if she will play "Water Music" during the intermission (I know Handel did one, maybe someone else as well.) Those Latin American rain sticks are neat (my nieces have a small one.) I remember when Grapes of Wrath played the Aquastage and all the stage divers were inthe moat. :-) But that could be dangerous in terms of electric endearment, so rubber boots may be in order, not steel toes. What's the deal with those shower parties anyway? There must be some analogies in mythology. But is a show'er the same as "stage-et-iquette". (Male stripper stage etiquette at a stagette? Summer dates? She doesn't date squares! The Chieftains sure know how to pick people to tag along with! I hope they drag her out for a guest song during their set. (My friend Raven MacLeod knows them and played on stage with them last time through, plus local hero Colin James often jams with them.) David D p.s. Some of my posts have been too self-centred again lately and not too inspired, so I will exercise more restraint and stick to leech replies like this one until the muse strikes, and try to keep on topic and please everyone with short posts, and not too many. Aside: in darts, 501 looks like SOL (SOl). "dawn is a peeling" "our hands are tide on the tea bell" etc You know, I think I need to get some live music to turn these dribbles into the river. Or maybe I'll go see Latcho Drom again at 9:15 tonight (but am in slob mode so may stay home for a hot bath and tower of song creation). Last time I saw L.D. from up close, this time I will sit back a bit to get the proper effect of the moving focus. Where's the sun? Someone on the list must have it! Message fte:326 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:19:57 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <0jWwlj200UgJ1039s0@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: fte:326 Subject: Re:Celebrate the Earth Walter wrote: >From a commercial I saw, Sarah McLachlan will be performing on the TV >special, _Celebrate the Earth_. The only other information I have on >this is that it'll be on April 22 at 8:30pm(EST) on NTV, Newfoundland >TV (for those with a satellite dish, that's E2/20). But NTV is a CTV affiliate so perhaps it is on CTV across Canada? Also this must be part of the 25th Anniversary of Earth Day on Apr. 22. I noticed a local celebration is happening a block from my pad, at Capers Courtyard, which I've usually tried to avoid but might check out that day (yuppies? sealed windows with size that will burst outward in a quake? toxic waste and bad vibes left by the old car lot??? wrong location, for geomancy? vertically inverted colours on the building? I don't know, but Capers has always not drawn me, could be the fear of the new. I got my barley miso and a rice dream there a while ago though.) Also it is halfway between Easter and May Day, and a moon before Victoria Day. Maybe I'll have a party, or just light a candle in the dark. :-) Will it be a live broadcast performance or pre-taped? David D Message fte:327 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:10:03 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HP93B3BJPU006VQ6@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:327 Subject: Re:Another Squid Ramble (tm) Squid wrote: >I keep thinking about Sarah playing Deer Creek. Remember how >convinced I was she sold out? Heh heh. One thing's for su >that's gonna be one show that won't sell out. That Yes show, the >lawn was virtually empty, and the pavillion was only about half >full, and this is Yes fer cryin out loud, a band that's had >about 25 years to build a following. And 25 years to lose a following. Yes can't hold a candle to Sarah any more, even in their heyday they weren't as good. I bet it will sell out, with a venue with a name like that. Sounds like a good camp singalong, maybe the band members will X-dress, close to the edge, playing their hearts out to the sunrise (I guess sunset). But don't be silly, it will sell more than Yes, this is 1995! >Sarah's had six years or so, When Yes had six years or so they would have filled much larger venues than Dr. Creek. >plus some of the metalheads that show up at _every_ Deer >Creek show will probably skip this one... Except for those on LIght metal like me? Speaking of which, today I drop from 6 to 4, then back to 5, this morning was a touch slow, but that may be due to the 4 pints from 6 to 10:30 last night. (What's a dear creak? Is that related to bean-O?) >Is "co-headlining with" equal to "opening for?" No, although if I anagramize them maybe I could make them equal. (Aside: In Sky and Telescope yesterday I noted that Galileo and Huygens and others would pre-publish their work as a latin anagram for security reasons.) >In other words, >is Sarah going to do just six songs or so, then split? Split? Sounds like "Humpty Dumpty had a great fall from grace"? Oh, S-P-lit, so lit by pea soup? Next day, maybe. >Before you flame me for this (too), consider I've already seen >Sarah four times in a year, and I'm afraid if I keep this up, >it'll end up being "oh, another Sarah gig, ho boy..." I'm not >sure where "don't miss a Sarah concert" crosses the line with >"keep some of the mystique intact." Maybe try sitting in the back and getting drunk or stoned before the concert, for a change, or date a take? Lose the mystique? What mystique, she's perfectly natural! And I could hear her every night without going "another Sarah gig, ho hum" but shouldn't really, for fear of infectious songs and I guess eventual credit card meltdown. An occasional fix will have to do, to keep me on the paths of horn. >Anyway. Where was I going with this? Oh yeah: preserving the >mystique. As long as Sarah keeps changing the show, there's not >much to be lost by seeing it repeatedly, And I bet by the summer dates some more new songs may be in the works, although she may be afraid to s-hare them with all those technogeeks in the audience. :-) "it's the same old song... >And at this point, there aren't too many cool songs left (aside >from those on Fumbling) for Sarah to drop, I hope she drops (lays) lots more new songs over the next century, or with this solar reincarnation thingie, longer. David, pro-crastinating p.s. Re The Chieftains/celtic, a while ago I got flack for crossposting to rec.music.celtic about the S.M. usenet group formation, even though followups were set outside. I replied saying stuff about influences, and that I thought Touch showed more celtic tinges than the later work, and that Sarah had helped "send my celtic soul through the heart of the sun". The guy was then a bit interested and I think checked out the web pages. "in tune, the fire, we're re-united" (band in tune) Is the National Steel guitar like a dobro? Or is it like that shiny one that Shannon Moore uses sometimes? (rust never sleeps with angels where devils fear to thread...) I'd better get a break from non-work, then work Message fte:328 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 15:17:23 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950412162310.2021299b@DUPHY4.Physics.Drexel.Edu> Message-ID: fte:328 Subject: Re:Assorted stuff.. Beth wrote: >October Project is incredible! I saw them perform with Sarah last summer >at WXPN's Singer-Songwriter Weekend in Philly. But didn't they also >open for her at some point in the FTE tour? How unusual would it be for >an artist to cover a song by a band that opened for her/him? Not that I >would especially mind, however... "Where You Are" would also be a choice >song for Sarah. Sounds like I'll have to check out O.P. But why all this talk of Sarah covering songs, when she has had to drop some of your (ftelist) old favourites from her set list? She has so many good songs (and I bet enough more new ones on the way this year to fill a old-fashioned double live album) that the covers could probably be kept to those trendy tribute albums. Indeed, it is time for you to all start bands so that you can cover the Sarah songs that she doesn't perform anymore. Anybody have any good ideas for themes for Sarah to sing about? I guess she has covered a lot of bases already, but often sort of vaguely/poetically, so now she could start filling in the leaves on the bare tree, with word sculptures of people, earth and more; a wordsmith drawing images and emotions out of thin air to leave seeds of love in the audience's hearts. Ooh, listening to this walkman helps, i'm less jerky. Or perhaps it is the advancing p.m. David (still feeling great) Message fte:329 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:40:39 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:329 Subject: off-topic: shampoo planet This is completely off topic, and is included just for completeNess: A few days ago I mentioned about the shampoo blend I made along with the avalon candle. Since then I added a bit of lithium carbonate, maybe 600mg, plus a teaspoon of vinegar to balance the ph, to it. I also added 300mg of lithium carbonate to my leave-on conditioner, and a few drops of cider vinegar. The recent stability in energy and sleep and average good mood is coincident with the use of this stuff. (A while ago I speculated that we don't really need whole body lithium with big side effects, just lithium in bath salts, underarm stuff, suntan lotions, conditioner, etc.) But probably this is just a coincidence and it will fail when my mood goes sour even when I'm using the magic blend. If not, I'll have to develop DiLithium Crystal underarm stones. :-) And of course I am not about to stop taking my internal lithium just yet, with summer coming. For those who aren't bipolar: a very low level of lithium may benefit even you, the low level acts as a mild antidepressant or augments other antidepressants, including natural ones, and can even give some people very mild highs. By low level I mean maybe 0.2 mEq/l, a third of what I am on, which would correspond to 300 mg/day for many people. Or try rubbing it in your hair/etc, for earth day, after all we live on the lithosphere. Do those deodorant stones you can buy have much lithium content, I wonder? OK, that is my last post until Apr. 13 at least, I promise. David, 5:30 p.m. Apr. 12 D -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:330 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 9:55:25 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950412162310.2021299b@DUPHY4.Physics.Drexel.Edu> Message-ID: fte:330 Subject: the bare tree has a hidden root Yesterday I wrote: >I guess she has covered a lot of bases already, >but often sort of vaguely/poetically, But I forgot to mention that that is one of her strengths, that her songs can be like an abstract painting, able to evoke different meanings/emotions in different listeners. Plus what she doesn't say in words, she conveys in her voice and arrangements. Still, the listener's imagination gets juiced a bit more than for other artists who seem to spell out every detail. >so now she could >start filling in the leaves on the bare tree, Of course it is not a bare tree, I didn't really mean that, just that it is a new spring, time for new leaves, the tree is strong, the first three albums form a solid foundation with which to form blossoms or a tree house. Or you could look at it like a fractal tree, with an outer layer than when examined shows infinitely more detail. >with word >sculptures of people, earth and more; a wordsmith >drawing images and emotions out of thin air to leave >seeds of love in the audience's hearts. But she already does that, her concerts change people. [Time for a Coors Light? :-) ] David p.s. I feel great again today! And I actually got up at 7:30, 25 minutes before my alarm. Those birds must have my number (or a little while ago I did a self-talk thing where I told my plants to wake me up so I could open the curtains for them, I wasn't really talking to the plants but giving myself an inner reminder). And Latcho Drom tingled lots of my fingers last night, including both ring fingers (the right for sexy dancing women, the left for the saintly ritual). But they aren't really separate, and once I had to cross them to ease the throbbing. -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:331 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:47:27 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199504110119.UAA02170@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: fte:331 Subject: Re:Sarah at the World?! Bryan wrote: >Good Lord, Sarah McLachlan's going to play in front of 30,000 at the World >Music Theater?? I hope they all sing along to IceCream, then it will be truly world music, and the ice caps will firm up and the ozone holes will close up after having helped given birth to a new millenium. After all, how can things evolve without a bit of UV? Which is why I'm going to get my hour of sun today, but watch for spots. She's playing with the ChiefTainS? then she must be the ChiefTainEss! Aha, alter ego unveiled at last, next she'll get Natalie McMaster to join her band. But she'll blow the Chieftains away, or inspire them. This is the neverending tour tale, part III. But then again, what is summer without (a) Sarah (concert). Also those steel toe boots might work for step dancing? Ouch. David p.s. Damn, I feel good again! Someone must be sending me nice waves, or maybe it is the lull before the storm, the hook before the line and sinker. But last night I aimed to get to sleep at 11:30 and didn't until after 2, and got less only 5 hours, so I'll have to watch myself. But for now, energy and mood are hunky-dory and stable, and sleep hasn't dropped below 4 hours so I won't worry. It's a long way, dawn, but it comes without warning? Oh, and I jiggled my adaptor cord and the portable CD player started working again, it was actually Lily that it died during yesterday, or the one about the angels (or are they the same?). Message fte:332 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 21:28:09 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199504142345.AA03543@access.mbnet.mb.ca> Message-ID: fte:332 Subject: Re:Camille on Back ups for FTE... Rayanne wrote: >I was just wondering if Camille Henderson sang back ups on FTE. >Because in the liner notes it doesn't say anything about Camille >singing. Sarah doesn't even thank her, in the "thank yous". So I >am assuming Camille did not sing back ups on FTE. Although a lot >of the vocals do sound like hers.... On studio recordings, Sarah does her own backups (somehow that word brings to mind the beeping of a backing-up truck) with the help of technology, except for the few occasions when she experimented with male backups, as far as I know. David "and the moon's so bright..." Message fte:333 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 21:33:10 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:333 Subject: Re:sarah pix + stuff Paul Martin wrote: >On Fri, 14 Apr 1995, El Bandito Loco wrote: > Another site worth checking out is the American Band list at: > ^^^^^^^^ >> >> http://American.Recordings.com/wwwofMusic/UBL.html >> >> Just click on the M in the alphabet at the top, and scroll down to the >> Sarah McLachlan section. > > I find this highly ironic seeing as Sarah is not American. I wonder >if Neil Young and Joni Mitchell are there too. :) American could be short for North America + South America + Central America or it could be recordings that have had an American release, i.e., non-imports, and Sarah surely counts there, with a silver bullet (actually platinum, right?). David "crest of a moon, crest of a wave, crest of a hill, leave me there for loving" (Colleen Eccleston) Message fte:334 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 22:20:35 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:334 Subject: Sarah's radiant moon Hi all; Here's one for you: which of Sarah's songs mention the moon, either directly or indirectly? [Re the subject, I guess I dedicate this full moon to her; I didn't imply anything about cheeks, and haven't seen the videos.] Oh, and my sysadmins were upgrading the file server today so some mail to me may have bounced, all is normal now (well, almost all). David p.s. My mood dropped last night after 11 p.m., after 3 pints and some second hand smoke, and stayed a touch (lower edge of normal) low today, but that may be due to a near cold that I think I have fought off. But at sunset I took a short nap/daydream and got some nice waves of warm energy, right around moonrise. So I wasn't planning to go down to the Gastown Music Hall or/and Railway but May change my mind. However I am still leaning towards going home, baking [some of] hot cross buns, more chocolate chip cornbread, and some bunny shaped cookies, then going for a walk on the beach near 2 a.m. with binoculars to catch the occultation, but probably not staying up to the partial eclipse around moonset near dawn, I doubt I can hold on that long, since I plan to catch the House Band and maybe Paperboys tomorrow night. After my moonrise nap I stuck on Colleen Eccleston's Simple Joy of Moving tape, my CD players are still on strike so I am undergoing Sarah withdrawal symptoms (not really, but I missed her stuff when I was down, around 5 p.m.). Here's a snippet, on her _The Party's Over_ song she says "sometimes I wonder who is in control" and I misheard/warped that to the perhaps offensive to some "sometimes I wonder who is in cunt roll" (so tonight the "sisters" are in control? uh oh) So therefore I will probably stay home tonight, it is the night of the hon tress, and after all I am on the paths of horn, especially after that nap. Dye-an(d)a negg lace? What's the name of that guy who accidentally saw the moon goddess bathing? Did he get turned into a stage? Steel toe, ouch. "it's all day eggs, at the broadway cafe" (David Kootnikoff) (I wonder what this moon will hatch, desperado?) Oh, well, off to face the night, all one, into the fire, I am the shark... [I probably will get more poetic later but am not sticking around here, in fact I was foolish to come in.] (no topping s? topless? topless hackysack? How do you turn a hackysack into a musical instrument?) I'd better stop before i O-fend. DD, 10:20 p.m. Apr. 14, Vancouver, all is quiet on the western front Message fte:335 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 15:43:31 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199504171954.PAA21833@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: fte:335 Subject: Re:Sarah doing a Tori cover Angie scribed: >I'm a huge Tori Amos fan, as well as Sarah. Silent All These Years Is one >of Tori's best songs, and I think Sarah would do a phenomenal job on it. I'm not one for covers (although that depends on the covers and the coveree and covered) and think that maybe a "duets" album would be better than a "cover grrrl" album. So on the double live album coming up a good chunk of it would be special guests jumping on stage, like the recent Van Morrison one that I haven't gotten yet but heard a chunk of on after-midnight CBC. So maybe Tori would jump up and they would jam out and sing Silent All These Years, or a cow-rite-n new one, "Under the pink ice cream, a volcano lurks...". (Actually I've never been to the Malcolm Lowry room, but might check out Veda Hille at the RC late Tues, after softball practice, iff I'm in a good mood.) David D. p.s. Even though I'm posting 3ish posts today, I'm still in lurk mode because I haven't signed on since Friday so this is the backlog, with low per diem. What's a backlog rub? Is that like a back rug lob? No, that's when you see 200 messages in your mailbox and decide to delete them all. Message fte:336 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 17:48:42 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HPD7PRG9QA00FXSJ@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:336 Subject: Re: Dig est... John penned: J> thing pops up on a regular basis. As to the play-by-plays of the J> fallouts, those who don't remember fallouts are doomed to repeat J> them. But some of us might like to forget them, you know, forgive and forget. [And other things pop up on a regular basis but you don't use them to shake hands with newbies.] J> It's directly related to the "Does Sarah read the list" question J> which _does_ get asked frequently. Of course, she lurks here under four different virtual personalities/names, at least. :-) After all, she can't go out the door without being recognized and swamped with proposals and autograph requests, right, so some virtual reality must be in order. But to preserve her anonymity, the official line is "Sarah Kant Type". (Actually, I hope she isn't lurking here because not all of my posts are up to standard.) J> wouldn't she have chosen one a bit more Celtic-styled than the J> sorta-plain one she wears in the "arms entwined" poster? Is that the one on the FS artwork, the one she wore at the Clayoquot Sound benefit along with the unicorn horn of hair drooping down? I'll have to look at it again, but does it have a circle or bump in the middle, some curve, rather that a straight cross? I'll have to check that tree picture again, and the FS radiant cover picture, for some poetic seeds. And after all, I sometimes wear a horny fleur-de-lys, but my french sucks, right? (The nails forming the fleur-de-lys are bent out to make room for a dark crystal. The fleur-de-lys is made from horseshoe nails and copper wire and was obtained in Quebec City in the spring of 1978; I liked old quebec city.) J> In all honesty, I can't type either, not in the strictest J> sense: instead of home keys and so forth, I learned by hunt and J> peck, and now I type two-fingered (maybe three if you count the J> thumb on the spacebar) at about the same clip as those around me J> typing two-handed. J> J> I count about three different places in that paragraph that I J> can easily imagine Dalton inserting comments. :-) Oh? I couldn't at first. But hunt and peck reminds me of the hen goddess Cerridwen, giving you training through her daemon QWERTY. Home keys? "Take me home, wherever that is" (Shannon Moore). But is it a key (west/largo) or quay? I'm also a handi-capped typist, for now my thumbs on the spacebar, left ring finger on control, right ring finger on return, right index finger doing most of the work with left index finger and right middle finger runners up. Now I could ling all that to the finger throbs. Not today, my tendonitis is calling me Home. J> But I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. Hasn't she done enough benefits for a while? [Hey, wait, what about earth day, house concert at my place :-) to benefit the earth...] J> Like the theory that yawning equalizes pressure inside one's J> head, and that the resulting pressure imbalance in the rest of J> the room causes everyone else to yawn as well to keep the J> pressure equalized. I thought it was that when you hear/see others sucking in air, you have to get your fix too before it is all gone, and now it a good time because they aren't breathing at you. Or really the low bass chi waves from the yawn, which is part of the parasympathetic nervous system, puts you all in tune briefly. (Last night at the WISE I was yawning like sane, and was told to stop it. Too much sun? The walk on the beach on the way home near low tide didn't help much. But today's early chill seems to be dissipating, so maybe it's another 5-day weakend; this typing has helped it its way. Maybe all my muses went out of town for the long weekend. But no, that's silly, it's the mild cold, easter blahs, six hours of sun in two days, and six beer Saturday night that did me in. Oh no, that should have been a p.s. [plant sprayer]) OK, now I'm back to lurk mode, indeed now I'm off home to make soup of some kind (remains-of-almost-empty-fridge soup) and recharge with home yoga, hot bath and earlyish night. David D. Message fte:337 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 14:05:04 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9504181833.AA10612@sun> Message-ID: fte:337 Subject: LIST FAQ & thespian s-pies (was Re:Ok, Lettuce end this A GAI) Mike S. (good name) wrote: >If you'd like to write a "real" list FAQ, go for it. For all intents and >purposes, it is the FAQ for FTE-list, because there isn't anything else. > >I fleetingly thought about writing one earlier on this week, but said, >basically, "nah, screw it." Maybe I'll rethink that one. Dalton was >complaining about it ("John's FAQ"); so that spurred me to think about >it. In any event, I'll still re-code the ASCII FAQ into HTML if we ever >get one written. I think any list FAQ should be done by a team of volunteers, not just one person, at least that is the way it is done on many lists. Or perhaps one person could do the initial version and then submit it to the list for additions and corrections. Probably the Nettwerk FAQ could be an unmodified appendix to the list FAQ. Parts of John's FAQ may prove useful as a starting point. Who else would be willing to help on the FAQ team? (I'm willing to offer editorial comments but don't want to help write the first draft since (a) I post far too much to the list and don't want to act dominant and (b) don't want to be obsessed enough to be a stickler for the little bo-ring details, just the overall groove.) [LPs - spiral kiss?] David p.s. My blahs ended last night, after spicy soup, and I got some nice warm waves at 5:50--6:00 a.m. (so around 5:55 a.m.) when I woke up from another unremembered dream, briefly. So the nightbirds have my number too. How do you evade a hill? Make a pass through the valleys? But I don't have any hiqueen boots (at least steel toe). Derek, if someone is a lesbian and you want to fantasize about them, just fantasize that you are a woman, or that in the dream world there is a spirit counterpart to your dream image who is not a lesbian and you can sell your sole to her and not even need to bother the real person, sort of like Beethoven and his mmoral beeloved. (Actually, just look for elements of your ideal woman in women around you, and try to be ideal for them, rather than chasing the impossible or unreal dream without your own good hand of cards. Me, I'm just trying to have fun, but the impossible dream keeps fumbling with me and drawing me hither and yon.) If you are in a band with someone, does that count as being involved? No, it has to be a house band. (But it is, omelettes, capuccino, a where house, et al.) Message fte:338 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:04:26 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:338 Subject: FRIV: hot cross buns, etc. We were discussing the symbolism of the cross, and I added the celtic and angled kiss meanings to the standard one. But of course the cross has many, many meanings, and as a scientist the main ones are origins (0,0) and time (t,tea). Also a cross could represent the four directions/four winds/four elements so when she is wearing it the four elements are what? Fingering, picking, wind and wind? No that's wrong but I must run. And a while ago I asked the goddesses "4give me" and I'm always 4getting stuff so I guess she did. But now my question is "4 what?" Maybe the 4 includes me? It better not be 4 get, one kid is enough trouble :-). Actually, this calls for webster, sample definitions appended, so obviously to 4 get is still vague. Whew! Oh, and I'm getting sick of hot cross buns, 4 left, must finish them soon or they'll go stail. (sorry) This is my last post for Tuesday, as my left contact is bothering me and I must dodge home to attend to her, then off to softball and maybee to the RC church later for some sacrificial smoke and ectopick music, for now I'll get lost. DavidD DEFINE get get v. got got or got-ten get-ting, gets.-tr. 5. To acquire involuntarily; catch: get the mumps. 6. To have current Possession of. Used in the present perfect with the meaning of the present: has got a large collection of English porcelain. 7. To beget. 8. a. To cause to assume or be in a specified state or condition: got the children tired and Cross. b. To make ready; prepare: get lunch for a crowd. 12. a. To evoke an emotional response or reaction in: Romantic music really gets him. b. To annoy; irritate. 18. To make contact with, as by telephone. 19. Baseball. To put out.-intr. Informal. 1. To reach a certain state or condition: got Well. 3. To advance, esp. in years. get around. 1. To succeed with the minimum amount of effort. 2. To escape, as from punishment or danger: He got off Scot-free. 3. To obtain a release or lesser penalty for. 4. Slang. To have an Orgasm. 5. Slang. To get high, as from a dRug. 6 Slang. To feel great pleasure or gratification. get on. 1. To get along. 1. The act of begetting. 2. Progeny; offSPring. 3. A return in tennis on a shot that seems impossible to reach.-idioms. get it. Informal. To be punished or scolded. get nowhere. To make no progress; have no Success. get there. To achieve Success.[ME geten To: In-Reply-To: <950418185640_87701403@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:339 Subject: Re:Squid's FAQ Hi Chris; you wrote: >Actually the best way to label it is "semi-serious," as the Squidman put a >fair amount of work into it between the (attempted) yuks. I agree, and appreciate it, and think it can form a starting point for a serious FAQ if people want one. >I *did* pick up on what appeared to be a lack of humour in your post; you >just didn't read like your usual s-elf. Apparently I was not mistaken; >hopefully things will pick up for you in the near future. Oh, from late Thursday night to Monday evening I was a bit low, but not bad, but the usual humour wasn't flowing. Usually I have a few great periods a year, and during "normal" periods can still call on the humour, but lately have been straining and wondering if I should give up this "game" and move on to other pastures (or finish my thesis, horrors). But since Monday evening I feel a bit better, although now have morning slowness again (tendency to sleep in, unlike last week) but without late night energy to compensate it (last night a combination of factors kept me home and to bed early, 12:30, so I missed Veda Hille). >Is this why you >drop out from time to time? I drop out from time to time for several reasons: 1. I realize that I am indeed years behind on my thesis and perhaps should finish it and get a serious academic career (horrors) 2. I feel I am getting a bit too bizarre or too low and may miss a few days, hence should unsubscribe to avoid and overfull mailbox and irate sysadmin (my limit is 300) 3. The list is getting tiresome and I feel I need a holiday from it 4. My mid-right-forearm tendonitis is acting up again But right now I am leaning more towards a shift into semi-lurk mode (mostly lurking except for an occasional good post) rather than dropping out (of the list). >Hold on, Thanks, I did, I now know to wait at least five days before letting any low period get to me, and don't really expect a repeat of the long depression of 1986, with all the tools and knowledge I have at my disposal. (But last night at 1 a.m. I did have to hold on, through an unusual brief "old hag/possession" type waking dream, it wasn't too scary since I knew what was happening and that I just had to wait it out.) Perhaps I'll come up a bit more for the weekend. David Message fte:340 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:45:27 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9504190136.AA03101@polar.Bowdoin.EDU> Message-ID: fte:340 Subject: Re:A limerick Derek wrote: >This list is a hard place to be >With each post you declare World War III >Write "Hello," they ask why >He didn't say "Hi" >I want to go hide in a tree. > >The last line is a bit uninspired, Not really, have you seen the tree picture on the official Sarah web page? >Question: Where do I find Sarah's "Solsbury Hill"? On one of the CD singles, I think Steaming but am not sure. >mentioned that "Touch" was dated, sounded a bit 80's, and I have a theory >(theory? hypothesis? I'm not even a science major!) as to why: her use of >the male back-up vocals, on such songs as "Lost" (from "Solace," I >know), "Strange World" and "Trust." Not to be unkind to her band, which is >very capable, but that element of her songs just has a stink of cheese to What's wrong with males playing second fiddle for a change? >One other thing -- I hope no one sees me as some sort of perverted freak >because I wouldn't mind to every once in awhile perhaps maybe (kind >of) receive an occasional personal serenade But, but, then you wouldn't be sharing, i.e., you'd be keeping her all to yourself! Just stick the CD on, then it can be as personal as you like in your mind's eye, yet everyone else can enjoy the music too, and the artist is free to pursue whatever dream she likes, the better to hatch a new album. But it might be nice, to go high in a tree, to Fall but not fall. David Message fte:341 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 17:54:59 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950419115513_88555540@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:341 Subject: old hags, tea & Possession (was Re:Oh God no.) LConcordia wrote: >All this homophobe talk reminds me of a true story. These parents had a >daughter who had a roommate who was a lesbian (obviously their daughter was >not) ;> Anyway, their daughter turns lesbian (some of us call this >"coming-out"). They are certain that this woman did something to their >daughter...you know like put something in her coffee!! > > The moral of the story: watch out who's giving you coffee! Oh no, I'm drunk coffee (and tea and beer) with lesbian friends lots of times, and even hugged them! Also in bars people sometimes get their beers clinked, or even mixed up, or get sprayed with sweat and breath on the dance floor, (although I've mostly avoided that since the Aug. 31, 1991 Pitt Gallery show, initially due to Fear of more dance-induced ecstasy, but now I know that there are other factors involved in ecstasy and dancing is safe in ways.) No wonder I'm all mixed up. (Also I again remember the tea scene in Go Fish. Anybody see Bar Girls, is it worth catching?) D.D. p.s. Since this is frivolous to begin with, I'll give you my fumbling report for last night. I never made softball due to unusual puffy indigestion, the like of which I haven't had since San Francisco. So I stayed home, listened to some waterboys songs on the ear, got my niece Ellen her 5th b-day present that I mailed today, was feeling better and going to go to Veda Hille but my eyes were still burning from the improperly rinsed contacts plus night tiredness and introversion set in so I stayed home. If I go tonight I'll review her for you, I think she hangs out with some of the same musicians and ralph (raphael?). Anyway I fell asleep around 12:30 a.m., but woke at 1 a.m. (when I looked at the clock after finally rolling over it was 1:01) briefly with one of those "old hag" or "Possession" type partial waking dreams, where you can't move, it felt like a lionness was sitting on my right ear. But I have had this a few (very few) times before so I knew it was a hypnagogic (state bordering sleep) or hypnapompic (near awakening state in the middle of sleep), I say "or" since it wasn't too long after I fell asleep. So I knew what was going on, and knew not to struggle or panic but just wait it out, it only took a few breaths (actually I forget if my "breath was taken away" at all). If I had known what I was doing I could probably have induced an out-of-body experience, such as those described in the FAQs in alt.out-of-body and soc.religion.shamanism, which I once skimmed but never tried any of, and gone cruising through the ether down to the Railway to haunt the (v)amps. :-) But no, I would be worried about getting Lost, so I'll stick to this body if I decide to go down tonight; more likely I'll be a homebody until the wee_K_end hits, except for apres-softball Thurs/WISE if not raining. So anyway, I got finger(nail)ed by Possession, but in a reasonably benign way, last night. But I'd rather those nice warm erotic waves any day, I hope no earth systems are mad at me. This morning the morning slowness/laziness was back in force, I slept in to near noon (two musicians called and woke me up), but no late energy _yet_ to compensate. Has anybody else out there ever had the "possession" (old hag) dream? After that, this morning (afternoon) I had to play my Best of the Bothy Band CD and crank up the "Old Hag You Have Killed Me" set (actually, I call it "Young Ha-g You Have Worn Me Out" except that's not to meter). (Oh, my portable CD charger responded to jiggling, so I did get to play FS again last night, too, but not the Posse's-S-ion song. John, that is Posse! And I will eat my last hot cross roll shortly.) Party? No, no, I said Parity! Or was it Purity? And my place is a semi-mess (SM) :-) . Tea time, bye David p.s. when is that Earth Day show on and what chanel? (I feel the sky come, tumbling dawn) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:342 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:48:23 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9504200009.AA31354@polar.Bowdoin.EDU> Message-ID: fte:342 Subject: Re:"Possession" Derek A. wrote: >A sort of disturbing thought just hit me when I read Ira's message. > >> Dont' forget "Possession": "I'll hold you down.. take your >> breath away." Oh *she* will, will she? Not. She sure does, every time she sings she takes our breath away and holds us transfixed to our seats, holding on to every note. >I've always struggled with the meaning of the lyrics (not to mention the >title) of this beautiful song, but since it is so beautiful and >superficially romantic sounding, I always chalked it up to some romantic >gobble-dee-gook I couldn't understand. But now . . . is this song about >rape? I think it is supposed to be about obsession, about obsessive fans in particular, but like any song there can be as many interpretations as listeners. >I thought this was a love song! I guess it could be if the person being held down wants to be held down, wants to be kissed until he almost blacks out :-), and if she is smiling when she sings it. But even that last, that she is smiling when she sings it, could merely mean that she has triumphed over the demons that haunt her, that she has empowered herself to carry on regardless of what obsessive fans crop up, indeed in singing the song she has turned the tables on them, like how in some magical traditions you take away the power of evil by naming it (by knowing its true name). But often that requires identifying with it, however briefly, in order to get at its core, and that can be risky. >I can already anticipate an argument arising about this. How about >instead, everyone else on the list gets together and chooses one candidate >to reply to me? I will scan my files for old posts on Possession and send them to Derek, in a riddle-riddled mail bomb. :-) (How does a square become a rhyme-bus?) David D. p.s. I got the chan(n)el/time from cathy's last post, so if i'm at the RC jam i'll have to ask the back bartender to put it on. But Saturday is usually a home/sun day, and besides I caught the real thing (10th anniv. good enough earth day dedication). Was that pre-meditated, i.e., was the show inclusion planned that far in advance? That would make cents. Sea TV, chanel #7, red skies at night. Good enough, b'y. [So from that I hope for a good sunset on Apr. 22.] Message fte:343 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 23:40:16 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HPJ9VZ836A00L26X@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:343 Subject: Re: Wednesday Night- you know what that means! Yes. Wednesday night=one of my home nights yet here I am at 11:40 p.m.! (this beat my early Januaray 36k mixed-up record, over 43k! John, does your mail reader or editor have an undigestify function? Or could you sort into parts, by subject? Not that I do all the time.) John S. wrote: J> This is the reason Sarah's appearance on World Cafe did so J> little for me. Sorry, John, you're not the only fan, most of us want to see more than one side of Sarah. She is not onesided, but curved, and multidimensional, and both convex and concave, so buy the CD if you want sameNess. J> Ideally, a Sarah show should be a mix I don't deal Ly, unfortunately. (Ly=north-south components of the angular momentum tensor for the solar system?). J> If we're gonna show J> her off to 20,000 people, why not give them some idea what she's J> capable of, instead of saying "This is our friend Sarah, she'll J> be singing while you all find your seats." By scaled down they probably mean the house band/icecream band, which should be good enough to mesh with the chieftains, more that satisfy almost all sarah fans and yet pull some chieftains fans over to the sarah fold. J> This is the key. Acoustic shows look downright contrived when J> they're done in front of stadium crowds. If you're doing a J> stadium tour, why not do a stadium show? If Pavarotti can do it, then Sarah can do it better !!! J> But as an opening act...? At a stadium show? Am I the only one J> who sees a problem? w She is a co-headliner! And she'll take the chieftains back to their youth and/or to new heights, so there! J> This is simply _not_ her kind of tour. I think she can handle it, JS, so stuff it. These extra shows are a bonus, don't go if you don't want the intimacy of a freedom sessions with the togetherness of a large crowd grooving on a hot summer night to ancient and new rhythms. This is an easy and fun way for sarah to get some big venue experience without risking anything, don't spoil it for her! Then when the next album comes out, look out, you don't know the meaning of power! (But folk can be powerful, so there!) J> From: sra5@psu.edu J> >twice before being rewarded by Dave. So I would bet that Sarah and the J> >Cheiftains will switch "opening" positions back and forth, and that they J> J> Then why didn't Cathy say so? Probably because such fine details haven't been worked out yet, it will all come out in the wash, no doubt, closer to the date. I think they should all jump on stage at once and alternate songs and jam on at least one s-song and one trad-song. J> The Chieftains are a different kind of group altogether. Sorry but I think they have a lot in common, and the tour should provide a bridge between old fire and new fire, music of night, of folk, of dance, of tree, of earth, of sea, of love... (better stop there, i'm getting broken LPs). Sarag is a modern bard, with strong celtic roots but carrying the music to the people with the technology of the day, with words and sounds appealing to modern youth. But I still class her as a celt. [Her music moved me to "finger the sinkhole of the sun", brave the thorn stairway to gain sight of the blue rose of earth, by new moon. But now the moon has come round again, to claim her prize. (?)] And the Chieftains have jammed with some rather high powered pop stars. J> >Can anyone justify for me the extended version of "Vox" at the end of J> >"Touch"? It's for dancing to, I think. J> >was an outdoor concert, and as the concert was coming to a close, it J> >began to rain. She said in a deep and breathy voice, oooooohhhhh! Lucky my smoke detector battery is dead, that would set it off every time. J>"Hey Pittsburgh, do J> >you know how to do the rain dance?" and then played Possession. It was J> >pretty awesome indeed :) Love, rain down on me! And she likes mud wrestling, right? (I haven't seen the videos, just my own.) "It's a Pitsberg morning, old hag snoring" (Bourne and MacLeod paraphrase) Reminds me of the Vancouver Folf Festival last day, the rain dancers from some country apologized for making it rain. Now me, all I'm done is the sun dance, look where it got me, and I'm damn glad nobody had a video camera on me on the beach (I hope), plus it would have required slow motion to decipher (even for me, but probably not for the sun). J> Unlike most obsessed fans, if I were to meet Sarah, we do have a J> common ground on which we could hold a conversation: we're both J> artists. Gee, I can't have a decent conversation with many geophysicists, but maybe, since it is the year of the pigment... J> does not work in pen, and says a lot about Sarah's control of J> the medium, something any artist must have. Pen? And who's the medium, Malcolm McLaren? Medium rear. I'm no medium, I don't even have a crystal ball, just a cyst. J> From: dalton@geop.ubc.ca J> > J> >Yeah, really! You have all been asking for something J> >different, and here she is giving it to you, and J> >you complain! Obviously scaled down is the way to J> J> When were we asking for something different? Some people complained about getting the same set list and arrangements three times in a row, or something. I didn't mention you (singular) but you (plural). Is that the royal wee? J> Sarah is having to strip down her music to be "compatible" J> with the Chieftains, leaving behind large pieces of what we love. Sorry, but she will be exploring new territory, and in stripping down will no doubt expose new aspects of her music and rely more on her own strengths and inner fire rather than the safe nest of the full band. So look out! Again, is that the royal we? I bet many on the list would love to hear Sarah stripped down at least once! (What's a sea sill? Does she jam while hanging on the beach?) [A sea sill is the triple boundary between sea, sand and air, that provides a vibrating hourglass window on ???] David p.s. Just went to the grad centre to pick up a mic cord that The Quenchers had left there, stayed for one pint, and then a friend bought me two more so my writing may be a Touch loose. I could go to hear Veda Hille but am in slob mode so doubt it, will probably go home to soak and snooze. Now I'm tempted to wax poetic, but I'm all out of candles, plus it is 11:30 p.m. and I've already covered all the bases in the last year, right? Oh no, I fouled out, over the o-fence? Maybe I will look at the swan thingie again? There now is a swinger named sarah who sings at the moon while quite hairy... (no, that's no good, I'd better delete that, it's the pits) My heart says play but my head says stop... (hear tea?) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:344 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:04:27 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Apr 20 14:02:01 1995" Send-date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:51:54 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:344 Subject: Re:A limerick + maritime waves >X400-Received: by /PRMD=ca/ADMD=/C=/; Relayed; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:51:58 UTC-0700 >X400-Received: by /PRMD=ca/ADMD=/C=/; Relayed; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:51:54 UTC-0700 >X400-Originator: dalton@geop.ubc.ca >X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; >X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) >X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=ca/ADMD=/C=/;950420135154] >Content-Identifier: 5272 >Conversion: Prohibited >Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Ean X.400 to MIME gateway) >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 5974 1. Cedric, replying to C> my (DDalton) snippet C> D> But it might be nice, C> D> to go high in a tree, C> D> to Fall but not fall. C> ^^^^ wrote C> why don't you put Fumble??? Well, the capital Fall was supposed to mean a "Falling in love" whereas the little fall was supposed to be a fall from the tree. But it was a one-off, not meant for posterity or anything, and fumble fits fine if the fourth line goes with the first line for meter, but if the third and first line go together then a one syllable word works better. Plus I am sick of fumbling to no avail (actually fumbling is fun, and i'm have a little bit of Fear of Falling). But stick fumble in there if you like. (What's a fumblebee? Is that like a rhyme-lick, or a lime-rick? Now I guess a lime-rick is a green b-ra, mysterious hooks, fumbleB...) 2. Re the maritime waves thread, I bet all CDs produced at studios on little quiet islands with not real good studio shielding have some maritime waves built in, especially if done around 3 a.m. to minimize any traffic noise. But what about the Texas Campfire Tapes? What if the campfire was on the beach, with portable (gypsy) studIo? Because of where I am from, I could list off some maritime sounds for you, but will just mention that, from the 10th Anniversary concert, the Ginger song Ocean Dream does evoke the ocean for me, I don't know if they use any actual ocean music in the studio mix. Also the Newfoundland band Great Big Sea uses about a minute of tidal sounds to introduce their first self titled CD. 3. Have a good enough Earth Day! GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY FORECAST: THE GEOMAGNETIC FIELD IS EXPECTED TO BE MOSTLY QUIET EARLY IN THE PERIOD. UNSETTLED TO ACTIVE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED ON 22 APRIL. So? My niece Ellen's birthday is not until Apr. 24. (Some little kids have rather powerful "imaginary" friends, you know.) But I guess that means if I f__k up on the weekend I will be back in shape to phone home early Monday. David D. p.s. My friend and officemate Guy Cross has his defense Friday 11:30 a.m. after which I will be the senior student, I think :-( . So probably we'll be in Koerner's in the afternoon. Else I'm relatively disconcerted this weekend. (But Roy Forbes is a slight possibility, and I bet I can scrounge up some party invites from my network of contacts.) Oh, last night at Koerner's I put a stack of 4 CDs in, hit random play, and it started on FTE title track, by chance. Then since a guy with a Nirvana t-shirt and friends came in, the bartender said he wanted beer-drinking music and changed it, even though I said that this is beer-drinking music (for depressed drinkers?). But he has had it on before so I think he was just adjusting to the taste of his customers. "And if you pour some wine I will drink it/and if I feel a burp I won't cage it..." "And I would be the one to hold you down/drink you so fast/you'll change my breath today..." :-) Message fte:345 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:51:54 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:345 Subject: Re:A limerick + maritime waves 1. Cedric, replying to C> my (DDalton) snippet C> D> But it might be nice, C> D> to go high in a tree, C> D> to Fall but not fall. C> ^^^^ wrote C> why don't you put Fumble??? Well, the capital Fall was supposed to mean a "Falling in love" whereas the little fall was supposed to be a fall from the tree. But it was a one-off, not meant for posterity or anything, and fumble fits fine if the fourth line goes with the first line for meter, but if the third and first line go together then a one syllable word works better. Plus I am sick of fumbling to no avail (actually fumbling is fun, and i'm have a little bit of Fear of Falling). But stick fumble in there if you like. (What's a fumblebee? Is that like a rhyme-lick, or a lime-rick? Now I guess a lime-rick is a green b-ra, mysterious hooks, fumbleB...) 2. Re the maritime waves thread, I bet all CDs produced at studios on little quiet islands with not real good studio shielding have some maritime waves built in, especially if done around 3 a.m. to minimize any traffic noise. But what about the Texas Campfire Tapes? What if the campfire was on the beach, with portable (gypsy) studIo? Because of where I am from, I could list off some maritime sounds for you, but will just mention that, from the 10th Anniversary concert, the Ginger song Ocean Dream does evoke the ocean for me, I don't know if they use any actual ocean music in the studio mix. Also the Newfoundland band Great Big Sea uses about a minute of tidal sounds to introduce their first self titled CD. 3. Have a good enough Earth Day! GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY FORECAST: THE GEOMAGNETIC FIELD IS EXPECTED TO BE MOSTLY QUIET EARLY IN THE PERIOD. UNSETTLED TO ACTIVE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED ON 22 APRIL. So? My niece Ellen's birthday is not until Apr. 24. (Some little kids have rather powerful "imaginary" friends, you know.) But I guess that means if I f__k up on the weekend I will be back in shape to phone home early Monday. David D. p.s. My friend and officemate Guy Cross has his defense Friday 11:30 a.m. after which I will be the senior student, I think :-( . So probably we'll be in Koerner's in the afternoon. Else I'm relatively disconcerted this weekend. (But Roy Forbes is a slight possibility, and I bet I can scrounge up some party invites from my network of contacts.) Oh, last night at Koerner's I put a stack of 4 CDs in, hit random play, and it started on FTE title track, by chance. Then since a guy with a Nirvana t-shirt and friends came in, the bartender said he wanted beer-drinking music and changed it, even though I said that this is beer-drinking music (for depressed drinkers?). But he has had it on before so I think he was just adjusting to the taste of his customers. "And if you pour some wine I will drink it/and if I feel a burp I won't cage it..." "And I would be the one to hold you down/drink you so fast/you'll change my breath today..." :-) Message fte:346 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:13:26 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9504220043.AA13128@sun> Message-ID: fte:346 Subject: bathroom ecto (was Re:Curious) Kathy wrote: >> echoed around my bathroom was too cool. I remember vaguely from high school >> physics that the bathroom has really good acoustics or something so that you >> sound really good when you sing in there. Mike replied: >Hey, you *do* sound good in the bathroom. Hey, Mike and Kathy, I didn't know you had met, and in the bathroom. :-) Seriously, it must be the intimate but foggy reverb sound in the bathroom, along with the womblike "safe" feeling, and the special acoustic reflection characteristics of thin layers of green mildew that make it sound so good. And I heard on a CBC interview that Weird Al recorded his first release in the bathroom. But how could you get a whole band in there? Hmmmm... unplugged? But most studios are rather dry and hermetically sealed, the performers have to keep the moisture reserve within. After that I might have to start locking my bathroom when I go out, wouldn't want aspiring musicians thinking it would make a good "gypsy studio" location due to all the chi waves I have sent out through the mildew, tuning the tiny embedded piezoelectric crystals... (for a psyche O, not a psycho) Hmmmm... time for some s-upper David D DEFINE psyche psy-che n. 1. Psyche. Gk. Myth. A maiden who was loved by Eros and united with him after Aphrodite's jealousy was overcome and who subsequently became the personification of the soul. Message fte:347 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 2:34:21 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:347 Subject: earth day A couple of days ago I wished everyone a happy earth day, but today was more a day of mourning for me, perhaps for past enviro-wrongs. I had the blahs despite gorgeous weather, and felt a need to avoid crowds, indeed felt a need to get out of the city. But instead I coccooned at home until after midnight. Around then I popped on a few Sarah tracks, first, for earth day, Good Enough, then Mary, then Hold On (I burned myself lighting a candle for Hold On). Then I was planning to go down to the beach so I stuck Drawn to the Rhythm on, but figured it would be full of yahoos so didn't bother going. Then I stuck Touch on shuffle play and got the title track, which was interrupted by the ringing of the phone. After that I came in here to see if there is any inspiration, and dipped into sci.environment, talk.environment and alt.pagn but did not post. So for now I have the mild blahs again, perhaps after the period of mourning there will be a wake and period of rebirth/regrowth. Here's some updated solar/geomag data, from http://www.sel.bldrdoc.gov/forecast.html IA. ANALYSIS OF SOLAR ACTIVE REGIONS AND ACTIVITY FROM 21/2100Z TO 22/2100Z: SOLAR ACTIVITY BECAME HIGH. DEPARTING REGION 7863 (S04W94) PRODUCED A M7/2F FLARE AT 22/1151Z. MINOR CENTIMETRIC BURSTS WERE OBSERVED WITH THIS EVENT AS WAS A MODERATE INTENSITY TYPE IV. SIGNIFICANT MATERIAL MOTIONS ALONG THE WEST LIMB WERE REPORTED BY OPTICAL OBSERVERS. ADDITIONALLY, AN M1 WAS OBSERVED AT 22/1742Z WITH REGION 7863 AS THE PROBABLE BUT UNVERIFIED SOURCE. IB. GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY FORECAST: THE GEOMAGNETIC FIELD SHOULD BE PREDOMINANTLY ACTIVE FOR 23-24 APR. OCCASIONAL MINOR TO ISOLATED MAJOR STORMING IS POSSIBLE DURING THAT TIME. So perhaps I'll get creative early in the week but tonight that sure doesn't feel likely. Maybe some good voices will help, Monday morning [ET phone home] and Monday night [runaway tea-rain] plus a trip to my favourite power spots on campus Monday lunchtime. Good enough, b'y, I'm off for a night on wreck beach (just kidding, i'm off home, wreck is probably too crowded, and I have s-oft-b-all practice tomorrow at 11ish a.m.) David, 2:34 a.m. Sat night Yahoo!!!terse :-) Message fte:348 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 23:45:04 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:348 Subject: Re:another nettwerk contest Here's my entry, followed by some runners-up, and also a few complete five-word anagrams. [I figured I would send it in early so I don't waste any more time on it, even though I may be moving towards a more creative period after a few days of "(un)creative p.m.s.".] Hagridden venison, roseate nereids. Nirvana? OK, that's my single entry, which evolved from the more morbid Nirvana: Roseate Ovations. Hagridden, overdosed. Some other words not in the above two: horniest, invaders, enthroned, degradations thorning, inverted, denigrates, divergent videos, stereo, antennae And finally here are four (of many more, I'm sure) five word anagrams for "shiver. dead and gone to heaven", so using all letters only once, unlike the above entry. Haha! Inverted gods evade none. Divergent dodo, have sea henna. Ashen raven, avoid hedged tone. (near-miss: ashen raven, avoid honed t edge) Again, hornet dove shaved need. etc. David Dalton -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:349 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:09:12 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:349 Subject: FRIVer: contest, fire & ice, c.s. tea, the newD I have re-sent this, since I didn't get a bounce of it and got no other FTE posts until a recent afternoon one by Gina, so I assume the list was down for the move to majordomo as Anthony mentioned. So this was written around 11 p.m. Apr. 23. I will make some minor edits and also add a new "p.p.s." about life as a beach. Rav Ashat wrote: >Anyways, I just wanted to congratulate David D. on winning the new >nettwerk contest (have you even entered yet?) ... Well, I'm not (yet) in truly inspired mode these days, so don't expect it to be a cakewalk, lots of people with more time on their hands or computer programs such as those used by alt.anagrams and rec.puzzles.crosswords readers should blow me away. And the contest is too easy, there are endless possibilities since you don't have to use all the letters and can repeat letters in different words, whereas I like to make nice meaningful five word anagrams. Plus I like to go for quality rather than just length. And I could spend a day or more on it, as I did (in total) for the FTE acronyms, but instead will send in my entry now after less than two hours of dipping into the hagisack (crane bag) so that I am not tempted to doodle further until inspired. And my longest word was 12 letters, and that is not going in my entry (the longest word in that is 9 letters, the rest are all 7). >Oh, and BTW, how many SM fan club newsletters have come out so far? Trois? (french newsletters) One glossy, one recycled, one virtual? >Chill out. IN W.P. Kinsella's Sundogs short story, he says about sundogs "...there have to be ice crystals in the air for a sundog to take shape. It sure strange that something so fiery depend for its life on ice." (That was creamed from The Miss Hobbena Pageant, which kept my mood up today. Guess I'll have to check out Jitterbug Perfume soon, is that a dance? And J.P. --> Pope J.P. --> Pope Jitterbug Perfume. Oh, the pope knows. Who is the pope of the RC?) >Peace out. No, no, peace in, or pee south, because moss grows (on what side of the tree?) >Rav out Strike three? (Bat out of helen, line-kin drive, fall from [wet] grAss) David D. p.s. feeling better today, mild nice waves at 5:54 a.m. this morning, but haze/pollution/traffic mild downer in afternoon. Still chance of major mag storm at high latitudes in next day or so, plus "ENERGETIC ELECTRON FLUXES SHOULD INCREASE TO HIGH LEVELS OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS." (Romeo and Juliet, Samson and Delilah,... let me stand next to your waterfall) so there is some celestial seasoning (on Definitely Not the Opera on CBC-AM Saturday they made one quote to the effect that "if someone has more than six C.S. teas in their cupboard they must be a lesbian", luckily I only have two in there right now) Spirit of the West: Came to Mile 0, this is St. John's Newfoundland... Hey, I could go on, tonight, but will pause for refreshments and await more inspiration tomorrow. Thesis? What crisis? If there is lightning tonight, I will be tickled pink, and with some lively rhythm, my lyrics will not stink Hmmm, maybe I should redo my contest entry now. No, nay nevermoreo FINI! Because the night belongs to the angel from MontGoMerry DD, 11:19 p.m. Sunday (before the whiching hour, in the banana split building, not the whereo house, and completely sober and fed, so maybe I will go back up from 4 Li to 5 or 6 tomorrow, depending on what the hours of sleep bring. [there is about a 3 day delay in the action of Li so if I anticipate problems towards May Day I may need to start boosting the Li back to what my doctor thinks I'm taking, beFore then, in the summertime when the weather is hot, the grrrl from ipanema goes walking...] SeaTOP -- p.p.s. It is now 3:50 p.m. Apr. 24, and I am reposting the above due to lack of bounce, but didn't bother to make taste adjustments (minor edits) after all. This morning I was back down to low normal mood/energy so perhaps it is a night-time thing. Also I stupidly took 2 more Li on an empty stomach late last night, which always slows me down in the morning. I just got back an hour ago from "hanging" on the campus beach for two hours, for the first time in three years. Hmmm, I may have a roseate glow in certain places now, but it isn't painful, at least not yet, and I was careful not to get wrecked this time (no joint), and stayed away from the muddy area. :-) I took some work down, for a pillow, and nobody inspired me to write. But I was amazed how peaceful/tranquil Wreck Beach is on a Monday lunchtime in late April, compared to the weekend madness of late summer. The log-o? On my hat it is Spring. And I was also amazed how out-of-shape I am, if I went up those stairs every day I'd be a greek god in no time. Now all I need is a solar-powered laptop/cellular/modem combo, Internet on the beach. (not really, that would be geekishness), There, now you can compare my 11 p.m. and 4 p.m. writing styles. (Sarah content? I hope so!) "on a hot summer night, would you..." Hey, in my other window I see that someone just posted to alt.music.ecto saying that Touch was too "popish". Well, she did sing for the pope! (I guess he means poppish.) -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 home 733-1303 Message fte:350 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:33:56 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:350 Subject: Re:Easter Eggs Andy Brown wrote: >Agreed, the problem centers around the fact that since there aren't any >identifiable "buttons", etc. to navigate around the various areas of the >CD, it's difficult to say if a certain area is supposed to be a "hidden >easter egg" or not. If the CD contained a normal menu with 4-5 buttons >that led to different menus, etc. but then had a couple of places not >identified as "clickable" areas that did something anyway when clicked >on, those would be easily identifiable as easter eggs. However, as ALL of >the buttons are indistinguishable from the background, one could make the >argument (albeit a rather dumb one) that ALL of the buttons on the main >screen are easter eggs, since nothing identifies them as a "hot area" >different from the rest of the screen. Someone on alt.music.s-mclachlan advocated trial and error to find hot buttons; i.e., systematic clicking of every spot on a screen, but I think that that is dumb, surely artistic intuition can be applied to pick areas more likely to be hot. (e.g, if she is wearing a pendant in some pics, maybe click on that to see whats inside the locket, if it is an E.E.) David D Message fte:351 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 13:33:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HPQC888Y4Y00QJM4@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:351 Subject: changes, earth day (was Re:[insert useless subject here]) John S wrote: >True. But figure, there are songs from that album that haven't >been played live in many years. She could surprise us. That she >hasn't hints that she places less value on those songs than we >do. I'd love to hear a whole set of new songs, and the 27-yr-old Sarah rather than the 18-yr-old one, and am amazed at how Ms. S.M. has come out since I first heard her, in terms of projecting, and including the audience in her web, and in terms of her personal confidence/rootedness. The old songs were appropriate in their time, but now there are new ones bursting forth (I hope). Lack of change is death. I hope she continues to change and grow and surprise us. Lets not whine about the good old days (g.o.d.) like ancient youth, but follow along on the amazing journey. And about Canada, we always get her first, so that makes up for the tail (end of the tour)! Oh, my friend John MacDougall told me she played Frostbite Festival in the Yukon once, even, so she has been magnetically confirmed! The north river is in her sole? {Speaking of Solace, Kim LinEkin impressed me last night with her original material, although with the crowd noise she needed to be a touch louder on the low-voice songs, and like _most_ singers there was still _some_ trouble maintaining vocal intensity/presence while she had to simultaneously play complicated guitar parts (with a band this is less of a problem). On one song I thought that a dobro would be lovely, another I thought a viola or cello. But Tammy Fassaert was a no-show, she is in Japan. Katie MacColl, Jenica Rayne and Marjorie Cardwell also were strong. Hey, what is it with this town, it is full of strong womyn. >Which is always a granted when we're talking Wednesday night. Or Tuesday morning! amStel is worse than SPring, for mild hangings, and no beach for me today, life is a rose, not a beach. >Semi off topic but connected to this paragraph: I did not >celebrate Earth Day, my reason being that this planet, wonderful >as it is, should be second in priority behind the people _on_ it. Sorry John, but we are part of the planet, you can't fix one without the other, bad vibes, you know. (Well, I guess you can fix one without the other, but I'm an optimist, and the earth would be bored without us, I hope.) Instead of taking the people/planet problem one at a time, we have to mate two birds with one stone. >I'm no unknown, Sometimes it is fun to be an unknown so maybe I will switch ids (IDs) and make up a pseudonym soon, to start fresh. Or I could give this up until I hear her live again or until the next album comes out. In any case, I will be cutting down on the personal details. (Who the hell would want to get involved with me if they thought I would be spilling a f-ing play-by-play across the net? But I guess there are ways of silencing me.) >and I'm getting nailed for it. Steel claw? Scratch on the eight-ball? David D p.s. SPRING!!!!!!! (on my shorts, on my cap, and in my heart) Song to SPring --------------------------- (to be continued? Know knot, two knightS!) Message fte:352 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:17:01 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HPRBQHQPCI00TI7V@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:352 Subject: Re:And yet... John wrote: >Do we see my obsessive side rearing its ugly head again? The sad >truth... yep. Granted, at least I'm fixated on Sarah the >musician this time, not Sarah the person, Aren't they the same? > >Somewhat off-topic (it's on topic, actually, but you'd have to >follow the thread in my mind from my reading of the above >paragraph to this): I think it's so odd when people say "Touch" >sounds like pop. goes the weasel? >partly because Sarah's music is inching slowly toward the >mainstream. No, no, the mainStream is slowly inching toward her! >assumption that Sarah's direction is taking her into the >mainstream? Does this bother anyone? How do you define "mainstream" and "alternative"? And it doesn't bother me if she takes over the world, except that I won't get to hear her in intimate venues or (right now) even be able to afford to hear her. So if I was selfish I would rather that she be an unknown struggling songwriter who I could support, along with the other locals that I do follow. But no, I'm not shellfish, and wish her success. >Again, one of the cool things about Sarah's shows is the >intimacy, and by doing big venues, she's sacrificing that. >Whether she can, after wearing herself down on the tour as some >suspect she has, still deliver despite the "handicap" of a >bigger audience, remains to be seen. Do you have a capo handy? Maybe they should make a geodesic dome auditorium, put Sarah on strings like superwoman, and she would float like gossamer in the midst of the crowd, holding them spellbound with her web of tones. The band members would be around the shell of the dome, spaced out, so she would be like the Gaia in John Varley's Titan/Wizard/Demon series and the band members like the spoke goddesses on the wheel, truly a band around the earth/auditorium, setting off good vibe. (etc) your >I think I probably needed it. It's established that the only >real questions remaining about this tour are, why big venues, Big venues since it is summertime and outdoor venues are the way to go and outdoor venues are bigger and more people want to party in the summer and those waves of grass can make the biggest crowd fall. >and why not Canada. No, no, the only reel question is: 1. can she step dance with those boots on 2. will she give the steel guitar a test run? 3. what's with this Austin thingie? They get the smallest co-headed venue, and on Lughnasa. 4. can she sing in irish? (only after some red wine?) 5. does she get to be a guest on the next C album? 6. Can Ash play the bodhran? Spoons? Bones? 7. How do you translate Ice Cream to gaelic? :-) etc. (I may revise this later) "into the fire, I am the S(tanley)Park..." Davidd Message fte:353 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 16:26:42 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:353 Subject: weasel When I said "pop goes the weasel" I left off the smiley, I actually really like Touch too and think it is the most celticc sounding of the three albums. But just as I would rather see people as they are now rather than look at an old photograph, I would rather hear some new stuff than the same old song. And that way people won't be demanding Vox in 20 years. I'm off to pop out, at C.C. park, with the wise. DD p.s. Mike, there aren't any plutonic relationships in L.A. Message fte:354 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:15:51 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199504260554.PAA11604@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: fte:354 Subject: new songs! (was Re:And yet...) Ira wrote: >Why, by now she's probably already in her own mind finished >with the FTE songs! Maybe finished in the sense of creating/re-arranging them, but I bet all her songs are like children and she is not "finished" with them, but they will have to fend for themselves a bit now while she works on NEW SONGS!!! (which won't be shared with us technogeeks, right?) Here's a silly "contest". What are some silly names for her next album, that would fit in the progression Touch Solace Fumbling Towards Ecstasy: The Freedom Sessions ? Tide, Time and the Cockle (that's actually a paper title) I'll have to think about that one. Whatever, I bet she'll surprise us, or I hope so. >Here in San Franciso I always see both Touch and Solace everywhere :). At the Railway monday I extended the 501 (darts) --> SOL --> S.O.L. (shit out of luck), so I guess I don't have a bull's eyes. (Actually I'm blind inside.) So Solace --> S.O.L., Ace. But I don't feel that way at all, despite a nagging recurrent throbbing in the first knuckle of my left little finger since yesterday evening, this morning was hunkydory. Oh, and of course Sarah can stepdance, hackysack is good training! Does anyone know if she can ride a horse or sail? Are those captain's boots, or a drunken sailor's? Now I should stop, before I put a foot in my mouth, and go for a cinnamon bun. (no roses today, dearies) Ah, that's all shit, I should delete it, one rows, not sails, if everything is hunkydory, right? Oh, I just saw it: roses --> rose S --> S rows? David D, 3:12 p.m. Message fte:355 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 20:44:29 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:355 Subject: future S ticks, FRIV: Hole, Vegetarianjsm For John and whoever else doesn't like the ch-ch-changes, I would love to hear Sarah do lots more completely different things (but not become a rappist). I know John's fear is that she will become stuck in a rut catering to the lowest common denominator of popular taste, but I think she instead will provide a bridge to help mo(u)ld popular taste into the new millenium. And she is playing with the esO, look out Cecilia Bartoli, here comes the gelati queen. I bet Ice Cream would sound good in Italian too! A world wide hit, in 55 languages (or should that be 69?). And Dave O'Toole, I wasn't too serious when I said gaelic, I should have put a "k" on the end. :-) Plus when I say gaelic I mean Scots gaelic, and would say irish for irish gaelic. And I usually use a short "a" and not a long "a", not sure if that is proper. So lets all translate Ice Cream into our other languages, I'll try Newfie later, then geekese, and I do have theoretical French so will give that a cautious attempt. Like, the pope could say "'scuze me while I kiss the earth" in many languages, right, so lets all translate "I like penises" into several as well. Does anyone like The Waltons? :-) Also, what's your favourite flavour? Mine varies with the tide. IIB. geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is expected to be mostly unsettled for the next 24 hours. an in- crease to mostly active levels is expected on the second and third days in response to a FAVORABLY POSITIONED CORONAL HOLE. (Courtenay Love and crew must be in Mexico?) So I guess based on my week-after-new-moon experiences in the last year, I will not drink any corona at the celtic festival on the weekend or at desolation sound (sounds like a place name) on Friday (although glowing lights [campfires] in the sand wouldn't hurt again, but might shock shells). Indeed, after the 3 bottles tonight (Wed) I guess I won't drink alcohol for a week, even though I feel invincible (no, really I'm a pushover, the feathered pen is mightier than the ticklish sword). Also today we had our dept BBQ with free food and beer and I ended up eating beef for the first time since September. Therefore I will have to watch it on the weekend, don't want a repeat of early January, so no champagne at new moon. The only reason I posted this here is that if there are any abnormally weird long postings from me in three days to a week time, you can blame it on the bull. But of course you all would be more concerned if I didn't post for a week without notice, right. David (")when i wore a heart of s-tone, i gamboled through the sea(") hoping to spread some comfort there, yearning to feel she and we were... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "I feel the earth move, under my feet, I feel the sky Come, tumbling down..." Message fte:356 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 12:35:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:356 Subject: is the list down? + sea ox swains This is mainly a test to see if the list is down for the move to majordomo, if I don't get a bounce in a reasonable time I will wait a while before posting again. But here's a short ramble, for some non-content. I'll re-send it later if I don't get a bounce. In the intro to the Serpent and the Goddess, they say the term "penis envy" has been replaced by "the law of the phallus". After that, I thought "phall. from grace", which isn't very good, I know. And she didn't say "I like phalluses", right? Months ago, did I post that "Jewel boxes Sarah, who would win" quip to here or to ecto? I think ecto. But anyway, Jewel is in Vancouver for a month, doing four solo Saturday shows, so I'll probably catch her next Saturday with Deep Jewelia closing, this Saturday I'm going down to the star fish, for the first time since it was Club Soda, and I never noticed the address before (The Starfish is at 10.55 HomeR). But today maybe I'll go look for roses on the beach at lunchtime, since I plan to do my laundry Saturday morning it will rain. Oh, and the fact that Jewel is from Alaska reminded me of Milla's live comment about "princess cruises", which stop over in Vancouver, on the way from Californicatia to Alaska. (Juneau? June eau...) David p.s. speaking of rowing: DEFINE coxswain cox-swain n. A person who steers a boat or racing shell or has charge of its crew.-intr.& tr.v. -swained,- swain-ing,- swains. To act as coxswain or serve as coxswain for.[ME cokswaynne : cok, cockboat + swain, servant] But there's no coxswain in a dory, silly! And the regatta isn't until the first wed in august, although the dragon boat festival is earlier, but they paddle and not row. And the St. John's regatta uses fixed seat while most have sliding seat these days. (I don't row, but my paternal grandmother Mary Boland's brother and other relatives were on the Outer Cove team that set the regatta record that stood for about 80 years.) DEFINE swain swain n. 1. A country youth, esp. a young shepherd. 2. A lover.[ME swayn < ON sveinn, boy] -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "I feel the earth move, under my feet, I feel the sky come, tumbling down..." "just came down from the isle of Skye..." "and if venice is sin.king..." Message fte:357 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 1:58:48 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HJ61PCFU2O9KPTIC@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:357 Subject: Re: the naked cafe Meredith wrote: >That's interesting, seeing as Sarah majored in jewelry making and weaving >the one year she went to art college... good to see she still has time to and several years in earth collage >purse at least one of those passions! but if she is selling to just the band members, there won't be much but passion in her purse >A good friend of mine has a degree in textiles (weaving) and jewelry making, >and she's great to have around at gift-giving occasions. :) She made me a >way cool necklace in the shape of Kate Bush's KT symbol, Hey, wait, in geology the KT boundary is that big dinosaur and many other species kill (from comet impact and volcanism [and/or solar burps and earth flip-outs :-) ]). But I guess there are still some dinosaurs today, and not enough ammonites. (KT=Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary, K because there is another C) >I wonder if Sarah would make something for the fan who has spent the most >money on her lately... I'm sure I would be in the running! No, it might be that guy with the lawyer. For him, a voodoo doll. David D P.S. The subject made me think; all those new coffee shops remind me of fishbowls, imagine if the people inside were all naked, on display to the people walking by on the sidewalk. Stars, buck naked. Message fte:358 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:48:56 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:358 Subject: test Just checking to see if the list is working, but also, in relation to my post earlier today which hasn't yet bounced, I just saw in an old thread on "the naked cafe" that Sarah did jewelry making in art school. Oh, and speaking of naked, on wreck beach there sure is a surplus of phalluses, guess the women must have their own private beach somewhere, or maybe jobs. ================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "I feel the earth move, under my feet, I feel the sky come, tumbling down..." "just came down from the isle of Skye..." "and if venice is sin.king..." Message fte:359 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:31:47 UTC-0800 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Jan 19 15:28:26 1995" Send-date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:47:00 UTC-0800 From: To: Message-ID: fte:359 Subject: Freedom Sessions CD+MM FAQ >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========================_21768988==_" >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 3718 --========================_21768988==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i thought that those of you who have bought or are considering buying the CD+MM version of the freedom sessions may wish to read the attached FAQ. it answers a lot of questions and helps with trouble-shooting. if you still have trouble running the CD-ROM properly, be sure to contact us and we'll do our best to help you out. cheers, cathy b. --========================_21768988==_ Content-Type: text/plain; name="freedom.faq"; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="freedom.faq" The Nettwerk NETTmedia CD+MM Frequently Asked Questions File What is a CD+MM? A full length music CD with a bonus multimedia CD-ROM track. MM stands for Multimedia or Mixed Mode for the tech people. What does it run on? A regular audio CD player for the album itself and a Windows or Macintosh based computer for the CD-ROM track. Look for 3D0 versions in late 95. What are the system requirements? At least 8Mb of RAM and a double speed CD-ROM player. Microsoft Windows 3.1 or greater or Macintosh System 7 or greater. And a graphics card that can display at least thousands or 65K of colors really makes a difference when you watch the videos. What is Quicktime and why? Quicktime is video compression and playback software developed by Apple. The CD+MM includes the latest copy of Quicktime for both Mac and Windows. You must install Quicktime to watch the videos. Quicktime is the most dependable cross platform video software I've found so far. What is used to create the CD+MM? Macromedia's Director 4.0 was used to create the multimedia program for the Mac and Windows. Development was done on a Centris 660AV and then the Windows conversion done on a 486/66 clone. The CD-ROM master was burned with "Toast". All videos were created using Adobe Premiere. What is this "Track One" business? Track One on the CD+MM is the CD-ROM track. If you play it on a regular CD player you may hear static or silence, depending on how smart your CD player is. Some people are worried that loud static is going to blow up your stereo (doubt it), so make sure to skip track one when playing the album. And yes, the track one problem has been solved; we just need to find someone to make the discs for us. OK, the BIG question: Why doesn't my CD+MM work? Well...multimedia technology isn't perfect yet. There are quite a few bugs. So let us start at the beginning and see if we can get your CD+MM running for you. My turn to ask the questions: First Silly Question: Do you have the CD+MM version or the regular album? Some record store sales people have made the mistake of selling people the regular album version rather than the CD+MM. The NETTmedia CD+MMs have a nice big black strip on the front and back of the case to identify themselves as the CD+MM version of the release. Second Question: Does your CD-ROM player actually work? Is it installed correctly? Try using another CD-ROM too if it works. My CD-ROM player burned out last week and I was blaming the disc. Another Silly Question: Have you read the instructions? Yup. Most people skip that step. So here they are again. Just in case you missed them the first time: CD+MM Installation Instructions Step 1 - Install Quicktime: MAC - Insert disc into CD-ROM drive. Place the Quicktime 2.0 system extension file in your Extensions folder and then restart the computer. WIN - Insert disc into CD-ROM drive. Use the File Manager to access your CDROM drive. Run SETUP.EXE which is located in the QCKTIME directory and then restart windows after installation. Step 2 - Check Monitor video card Settings: MAC - Best settings are 640x480 and thousands of colors. WIN - Best settings are 640x480 and 65K of colors (16 bit). Note: The Quicktime movies look MUCH better in 16bit color. Step 3 - Starting the program: MAC - Just double click the software title icon. WIN - Use the File Manager to drag software title's EXE file from the "SOURCE" directory on the CD-ROM to an application window. This will create an icon for the program which you can use to run the software. Step 4 - Using the CD+MM program: It's pretty simple. Click stuff. Click icons, song titles, pictures or people. And keep your eyes open for hidden clickable "Easter Eggs". Step 5 - Using the CD+MM Audio CD: Yes, the entire album is on this disk as well. Just pop it into a regular CD player and make sure to skip track one, the CD-ROM track, otherwise you will hear silence or static for about 20 minutes. Still here? Still doesn't work? Do you have a defective copy of the CD+MM? This happens sometimes. A regular audio CD can have a flaw or dust speck or whatever and you never notice it, that's the beauty of CDs. But CD-ROMs are a very picky--one little flaw on the wrong spot and it's game over. Try cleaning the disc carefully with a lint free cloth, wiping from the center to the edge. Try again. Check the "SOURCE" folder or directory to see if you have all the files you need. The Ginger CD+MM should contain 27 files and the Sarah CD+MM 72 files in the "SOURCE" directory. If you don't have all these files then send the CD+MM back for a replacement. That is, if your sure your CD-ROM player works. The CD+MM seems to OK? But still won't run? Here are some tips: MAC people: Unload every extension you can. Director seems to conflict with a few popular program extensions out there. Take everything you don't need out of your extension folder. That usually fixes things up. Make sure to keep your CD-ROM and Quicktime extensions in place. Windows people: You've heard this one before: memory config. I would take the EMM386 driver out of your config.sys and lose any TSRs that you don't need. And it doesn't like some of the screen savers either. Try running the title's EXE program right from the File Manager. Just double click on it. And everyone please make sure you have enough RAM! At LEAST 8Mb free memory is required. You can see the cover interface screen but can't hear anything? MAC people: Do you have the new version of Sound Manager? There are some bugs in the older versions. Can your machine handle 8-bit, 22K sound? Probably. Oh yeah, and turn up the volume. Windows people: Do you have a Sound Blaster compatible sound card that can handle 8-bit, 22K sound? Is it installed properly in Windows? Try using another piece of software to play sound within Windows. Are your speakers plugged in? Is your sound card compatible? Check the Quicktime README file for a compatibility list. The videos won't play or play really slow and jerky? MAC people: Make sure you placed the new Quicktime driver in the extensions folder. Try using the Quicktime Player program to play a video right from the SOURCE folder. PowerPC people may notice some performance problems, that's new technology for you. Make sure your monitor is set to thousands of colors or more, or the videos will look pretty cruddy. An occasional hesitation of playback on most systems is to be expected. Single speed CD-ROM players will be pretty slow and painful. If you have a double speed make sure it has been set to run at double speed in the Control Panel. Windows people: Did you install the Quicktime software on your hard drive? Was it successful? Try using PLAYER to run a video from the SOURCE directory on the CD-ROM. If you don't have a sound card the videos will not run. Is your video card set to 640 by 480 and 65K of colors? 256 colors is OK but the videos look better at 65K. Is your video card compatible? Check the Quicktime README file for a compatibility list. Still not happening? Well, I've got this one machine that will not run DOOM not matter what I do. But, you can contact us for help by e-mail at NETTWERK@MINDLINK.BC.CA or call 604-654-2929 and I'll do my best to help you out. --========================_21768988==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Connect to an Attitude....not a Problem E-Mail: Nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca World Wide Web: http://www.wimsey.com/nettwerk/ BBS: (604) 731-7007 --========================_21768988==_-- Message fte:360 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:58:36 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HPASYIPUNQ00EAVM@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:360 Subject: Re:The FAQ Version 2 (as promised last week) How is this a FAQ? I haven't seen many of these questions asked frequently. And I think it should be called "John's FAQ" not "The FAQ", until we as a team modify it, make it a bit briefer and to the point. Maybe we all should submit one question that we want to be on it. In any case, the FAQ should be a bit more impersonal, right now there is too much of squid in the recipe. (But it is a good start, thanks JS for all the work.) John wrote: >-How do I unsubscribe? >Well, if you've made sure you want to do it, and you've made >peace with God, here's what to do: >Send mail to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au containing the line >UNSUB fumbling-towards-ecstasy SIGNOFF fumbling-towards-ecstasy works as well, and I think is the one mentioned in the list welcome message. >-Where does Sarah live now? >Most of the time, in a bus. Well, it is a bus-i=ness. (groan) >-Is there a Sarah group on USENET? >Supposedly there were two, alt.music.sar-mclachlan and >rec.music.artists.s-mclachlan, although I think the latter >has fallen into disuse. I could be wrong There is now only one valid group, alt.music.s-mclachlan, the other (now defunct) was somehing like alt.music.sar-mclachlan, which had a too-long name component, or alt.music.s-mclachlan. Rec.music.artists.s-mclachlan never got proposed, I think it would still be a good idea just before her next album release. >-Who is David Dalton? I've never seen this question asked, how is it a FAQ? >Ah, the future Mad Doctor. I'd rather introduce myself to newbies, thanks. And I'm mad only a few nights out of the year, the rest of the time I just pretend to be. >David Dalton is most renowned for his >unusually long messages, which stay on topic approximately 35 >percent of the time. He is probably destined for net legend >status. His ponderances of things physical, spiritual, psychic, >and beyond make for interesting (if confusing) reading; his habit >of packing several puns and wordplays into a sentence can blow >the reader's mind or confuse the hell out of them, if not both. Wow, I don't think I can live up to that all the time, plus there is a new me, I have changed my ways, I promiss! You should say that a few times a year I will get out of hand, but the rest of the time am relatively contained. >DD disappears occasionally, but can still be found on the ecto >mailing list (sometimes), plus a few places on Usenet if one >knows where to look. Actaully I rarely post to ecto, partly because I am on the digest and partly because this list is enough for me to handle. >He was often flamed here on FTE for wasting >bandwidth with long discourses on sunspot activity, brainwave >patterns, and mythology, but I think behind all that we actually >liked the guy, Oh no, that's past tense! And John, you really don't know what a flame is, do you, I was never flamed, just the subject of some grumbling and constructive criticism, with lots of off-list supportive messages to much more than balance. >-What's a squid? >1) A bright animal that has a lot of nerve. >2) My nickname. Superconducting Quantum Interference Device, used in magnetometers and lots more. >-What was the "veggie" war all about? >Someone asked "Is Sarah a vegetarian?" which was perfectly okay to >ask, but in about two days, the discussion turned into a heated >debate on animal rights. When I (the Squid) found a way to mention >abortion on that thread, the temperature shot up to somewhere >above boiling. The amusing thing about this particular lamewar is >that David Dalton said absolutely nothing during it, Actually I rejoined the list at the tail end of it, else I would have participated, and I did post a playful post to the tail end of the thread, unaware that things had gotten lukewarm. >exactly) some "techno-geek posted the lyrics to this song." I think it was Geekernet. Why should this and other past history go in the FAQ? A FAQ should be for questions that are frequently asked, or anticipated to be useful to newbies, not a way to extend dead threads (use patches for that). >-What does Sarah do in her free time? >Wouldn't you like to know? :-) ??? draw/paint/etc, hackysack, "hang on the beach" (Wreck?), make mexican omelettes, donate some time to charities, read Rilke and more, wash her hair, listen to and write and play music... (What free time! She must have those bunny batteries, is that The Energizer or Duracell? You can tell I don't watch TV.) >By all accounts, none. She's been seen wearing a necklace with a >cross; A cross is not just a christian symbol, it is also a strong celtic one, and of course is like an X at 45 degrees, so a kiss with your head tilted to the right 45 degrees, appropriate for a necklace. >-Does Sarah answer fan mail? belch >There's a reason she had to dictate for the chat session: she >can't type. Oh? Neither can I. But maybe we should develop a guitar to keyboard interface, so she can type with her guitar. (She already does, little poems to the heart.) >Not really. Occasionally, Lane or Cathy will forward a message >or two per day from this list to Dan Fraser, Sarah's tour manager, But she's not on tour now! I bet she has techie friend(s) who s-hare the worst and best with her. But not geeks! >She said on the chat that she's never been addicted to anything, music? >-What is ecto? >Ecto used to be a mailing list about the somewhat obscure >musician Happy Rhodes, although things have changed somewhat. I'm >on the Ecto list, officially an Ectophile, although I have never >heard a single note of Happy's music. Go hunt down the Ecto FAQ >and see if it looks like your kind of place. There are several >FTEers there, we discuss everything under the sun, and enforce >"on-topicness" a little less strictly. (OK, we don't enforce it >at all...) No flamewars! Yes, you heard me right, no flamewars! >Not even lame ones! Sarah gets discussed on ecto a lot, as do a >multitude of similar-sounding musicians (Jane Siberry, Milla, >Sinead, Mazzy Star, Happy Rhodes of course, Kate Bush, Tori Amos, >etc.) How do you subscribe to ecto and ecto-digest? (I have it in the ecto welcome message, but would have to exit this to access that.) >-Does Sarah know we exist? Do we? >-Does Sarah drink? >The version of "Ol '55" which appears on Freedom Sessions, for a >documented example, was recorded under quite festive conditions. >Most of us will never make music that good sober! It's a good >thing they don't give breathalyzers at Wild Sky Studio... Before >you ask, she seems to have a thing for red wine. She's said >she can't be around people who are drinking unless she's drinking >too, but she doesn't normally drink otherwise. The ultimate >social drinker. Hey, I'm like that too. But if you get a bunch of people in the room who only drink if someone else drinks, what happens? It must be a quantum physics problem. But probably just one person will have "just a sip" and then everything will cascade to pre-dawn bacchanalia around the studio fireplace. >-And tacos? >It's true, Sarah was on that Taco Bell "Do Something" CD that you >could get through the drive through. Yet another line of weird >jokes on the list. TacoMa Belle? Do T.B. serve mexican omelettes, with mole'? >Besides, angels don't fart. yes I do! >She's not nearly the waif she seems, She's a WAVE not a waif, silly! >Me. But that's John Shepard to you. jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu to >Internet. "Calamari" since the veggie fallout (they made calamari >salad out of me). "Squid" to virtually everyone on FTE. "That guy" >to people who don't know me. "Hey You!" to technophobes in the >computer lab where I work as an assistant. "Asshole" to the jerk >I cut off in traffic this morning. Nobody at all to John >Mellencamp, though we're both from Seymour, Indiana. Flamebait >to at least a few people. Bored Amiga user (A500, A1200) with no >life and no real job, who used to have a girlfriend but is too >busy being lonely to go find another. Obscure but talented artist >and amateur sci-fi writer who hopes to be published someday if I >ever finish a book (I should be working on one now instead of this, >I hope you people appreciate this). Handsome (judge for yourself) >man of 5'6", 150+lbs, red hair, mustache... am I done? What year/day/time/place and lunar phase were you born in? D.R. Dalton Message fte:361 - Read Delivery-date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:57:31 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Mon Apr 24 22:57:31 1995" Send-date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 0:23:41 UTC-0700 From: "Vince K. Chan (Viper)" To: Jess Durrant Cc: "Michael J. Pettitt" , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Subject: Re: FS Glitch >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 6035 On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Jess Durrant wrote: Mike: What computer are you using with the CDROM? MAybe it's just that the computer you're using is just slow. That's what happens when I play FS on a slow mac, but it works fine on my new faster mac. Jess: I tried FS on a power Mac 6100/60 at the U and it worked although the QT mo=ovies were horrenedously slow and jerky. I attribute this to the fact that QT is not yet 100% native code and the mac has to continuously jump from native mode to emulated mode, which really slows things down. As for the 'floating point..." bomb, try installing the newest version of softwareFPU, which should solve that problem. The extansion fools the program into thinking your mac has an FPU when it really doesn't. Both of you: make sure that virtual memory is turned off (highly important!) Make sure you're not using memory expansion programs like RAMdoubler. These things really slow down performance. If all else fails, manually remove all extansions and control panels from your system folder except: Quicktime 2.0 Quicktime musical instruments Hope this helps --Vince Vincent K. Chan | "When all we wanted was the dream, to have University of Manitoba | and to hold that precious little thing. Like Winnipeg, MB. Canada | every generation yields the new born hope umchan95@cc.umanitoba.ca | unjaded by their years." -Sarah McLachlan Message fte:362 - Read Delivery-date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:57:48 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Tue Apr 25 09:17:06 1995" Send-date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:15:23 UTC-0700 From: Ken Latta To: "Vince K. Chan (Viper)" Cc: Jess Durrant , "Michael J. Pettitt" , In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:23:41 CDT." Message-ID: fte:362 Subject: Re: FS Glitch >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 6038 Vince covered many of the important items. In general you are seeing the performance limits of the hardware you have, particularly the speed of the cd rom. A single speed cd isn't really fast enough to deliver both video and audio. If you have lots of disk space you can move the quicktime files onto your hard disk. Also there are a few specialty programs for Macs and Windows machines that will cache the cdrom drive. Also, you have to check the video mode you're running in. 256 colors will be the minimum that you need to look different, but if you run in a higher color mode (65K or 24/32 bit true color) your video system probably won't keep up. The ideal system for multimedia is one with: -quad speed cd rom on scsi or enhanced ide interface -enough memory (8 megs more than the 'minimum' to run the OS) -fast video, in particular one with a hardware mpeg/quicktime/avi accelerator. Also, in your multimedia playback configuration you sometimes will have options to check like "drop frames during playback" or the like. This tells quicktime whether it can skip video frames when it gets behind during playback. Your mind is more forgiving of little jumps in the images than it is for interruptions in the music. Ken Latta 4251 Plymouth Road, Suite C, Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 313.936.2115 voice, 313.747.3185 fax klatta@umich.edu, USERLFQF@umichum.bitnet > From: "Vince K. Chan (Viper)" > To: Jess Durrant > CC: "Michael J. Pettitt" , fte@yoyo.cc.monash.edu .au > On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, Jess Durrant wrote: > > Mike: What computer are you using with the CDROM? MAybe it's just that > the computer you're using is just slow. That's what happens when I play > FS on a slow mac, but it works fine on my new faster mac. > > Jess: I tried FS on a power Mac 6100/60 at the U and it worked although > the QT mo=ovies were horrenedously slow and jerky. I attribute this to > the fact that QT is not yet 100% native code and the mac has to > continuously jump from native mode to emulated mode, which really slows > things down. As for the 'floating point..." bomb, try installing the > newest version of softwareFPU, which should solve that problem. The > extansion fools the program into thinking your mac has an FPU when it > really doesn't. > > Both of you: make sure that virtual memory is turned off (highly important!) > Make sure you're not using memory expansion programs like RAMdoubler. > These things really slow down performance. If all else fails, manually > remove all extansions and control panels from your system folder except: > Quicktime 2.0 > Quicktime musical instruments > > Hope this helps > --Vince > > Vincent K. Chan | "When all we wanted was the dream, to have > University of Manitoba | and to hold that precious little thing. Like > Winnipeg, MB. Canada | every generation yields the new born hope > umchan95@cc.umanitoba.ca | unjaded by their years." -Sarah McLachlan > > Message fte:363 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:37:29 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9504261915.AA27069@cc.brynmawr.edu> Message-ID: fte:363 Subject: spring in vancouver Oh, I forgot to answer your first line! Spring is wonderful, gorgeous weather all week, I haven't been this tanned this early in the year in a long time, I feel really stable, just low level downs here and there. But (not really as a consequence of the weather) I am still dead in the water on the thesis, haven't made much progress in months, am totally unmotivated. I did make some minor progress the week before last but then it petered out. I know I could do the math/coding/writing but have the old "writer's block", guess I don't really want to finish, or don't really want the Ph.D. (But if this was a small town with no night life and I had no net access I'd be done ages ages ago.) I guess if I had a good job waiting that said be finished by a certain date then I'd have a reason to finish, but so far I haven't put out any resumes/applications/feelers, which means I will probably have to take a short-term job (computer/ect-related) after I finish (no, really I'll be a street-corner scientific mystic, busking around the world). For now my supervisor wants me to have my departmental defense (mostly final thesis draft) by mid-June since he is going away for the rest of the summer to Berkely and another committee member is off to a glacier around the same time. That would mean 6--8 weeks later for the public oral defense. My extension is actually good to the end of 1995 but I'm not supposed to use it, plus this is getting to be torture. So anyway, all is well, weather and mood and life-wise, and the thesis no longer stresses my like it used to, I guess I don't care about it as much as I should. So now, hit me with your questions, let me know how things are with you, and I will put on my rusty net dr. tools and see if together we can brainstorm a solution. David Message fte:364 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:39:32 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HPTX20530Y00SAQW@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:364 Subject: glace, pop, snaked d&d (was Re:And still...) John S. wrote: >ever said she was "breathing new life" into "Good Enough" on all >those dozen or so TV appearances on which she played it. > >The song didn't bother me, honestly, until Sarah "decided" it >was the greatest song ever, and it ain't. It is, when she is singing it! >I'd think she'd be sick of "Good Enough" by now. I certainly am. :-/ I'm not, every now and then I smile when I finish a glass of water or something, and if outdoors let the last three drops fall to the grass, like I let my last three drops of champagne go back to the cauldron/bass drum on New Year's. (But, no, I don't think of Sarah every time I finish a glass of something.) >dd wrote: >>For John and whoever else doesn't like the ch-ch-changes, >Acoustic tours is not "different." Wait and see. Don't unplug your pacifier yet, howl when you really have something to complain about, rather than fear-mongering. >While I'm ranting about the record companies getting too much >power over the marketplace, can someone explain to me how a >country album (Garth Brooks) can top the pop charts? pop is short for popular, so recordings with the top sales top the pop charts. Once comedy albums used to make the pop charts. In Europe the three tenors, maybe Nigel Kennedy, probably Cecilia (you're breaking my heart?), and even Gorecki's So-row-ful Symphonies have made the pop charts. >Truth is, however, it's Sarah's career and not mine. Really? >she's doing, go to the shows, enjoy the shows, keep hope alive >that the Chieftains will let Sarah lead them on a version of one >of her songs during their set, etc. Or maybe she'll do a good ancient song, like... (Aside: Today I picked up the book The Serpent and the Goddess from the library, as recommended in soc.culture.celtic, which I check about once a month. It is on the fall of the matriarchial society in ireland and has sections on the triple goddesses, the curse of macha, the age of brigit, the age of mary, etc. I think it is fuminist but haven't read it yet.) >I mention this because a couple people have told me to take >my "bad vibes" elsewhere. And I found it ironic that we have >people trying to enforce "good vibes" on a list devoted to the >discussion of a woman whose music's major themes are depression >and death. What! Her themes are about _conquering_ depression and death, and much, much more. Don't get me started! But as in that bit I said about Possession, where you have to tune with or know the true name of an evil in order to conquer it, the same holds for death and depression, you have to tune with the down songs and then follow the spark of brightness through the strong songs to recovery... David D. (death & depression --> dd? No, the sky's the limit, with Luck!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "I feel the earth move, under my feet, I feel the sky come, tumbling down..." "in the summertime when the weather is hot, I can reach right up and touch..." "just came down from the isle of skye..." "pilot, how high can we fly?" 55k Message fte:365 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:52:40 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199504271718.DAA13032@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: fte:365 Subject: Re: Who is Holly Frasier? Ira wrote: >Said her next album would be all covers, with songs written >by artists like Holly Frasier. (Who?!) Sounds like a mix of Holly Cole and Jo(sephine) Frazier, the noted coffee-enhanced 3-ring boxer. Or it could be related to the Fraser river and lonely comforts? The holly and the ivy, the oak and the ash, the fraser and the log... So maybe she has a cabin studio up the fraser? >I accidentally mentioned this >list, and said something about bootleg tapes, Nancy Sinatra is making a comeback! But luckily it's summertime (I like those summertime notes on jjoplin's recording). >Braces?! Sheesh. Hey, an acoustic palindrome (sheesh). And I read somewhere that she did have braces when she was a teen. So did I, got them off late in my 15th year I think, but don't remember any evidence of cross water transmissions through the braces. :-) Ever hear the one about the locked braces? David p.s. someone must be playing with my voodoo doll or something, the night before last it was my left little finger, last night (Wed.) it was my right shoulder (on certain notes/chords?). And I plan to try and be serious on the list over the next week, even though I have the devil inside :-) . Oh, I'm not completely blind inside, today around 1 p.m. I got a glimmer of a smile while sunning, enough to last a little while. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "I feel the earth move, under my feet, I feel the sky come, tumbling down..." "in the summertime when the weather is hot, I can reach right up and touch..." "just came down from the isle of skye..." "pilot, how high can we fly?" 55k Message fte:366 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 1 May 1995 0:54:31 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950428192907_100031488@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:366 Subject: Re:And still... Lucy wrote: >I don't think everyone on this list loves every single thing Sarah does. Belch (bee elle chi) ing is a fine art! Does anyone have tapes of Sarah performances that she would be embarrassed of? e.g., ukulele version of Stairway to Heaven, or other boots that would fit in with Mr. SPock's record (now that P was a typo but I'll leave it). Anybody have a tape of Sarah singing in the shower? (VHS or Beta?) >I personally skip over some songs on all 3 cds now and then!! I guess that makes you a Skipper! :-) How does that song go? (gill again) Seriously, thos songs will come back to haunt you later, every song has his day. > Oooo, I'm gonna burn for that! ;P The good sort of fire, I hope. And it is May Day! David, ready to fall (asleep, at Bel Aire, soon) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "I feel the earth move, under my feet, I feel the sky come, tumbling down..." "the sky full of stars like a French lace gown..." "dreamed a dream... set the night on fire..." Message fte:367 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 1 May 1995 1:25:05 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:367 Subject: cold, turn key I haven't listened to Sarah for almost a week now but my glass is about empty so I'll probably break down and play some of her stuff over breakfast May 1 (but doubt I'll be up to check the colour of the dawn). It's the maid day so I'll have to make her breakfast in bed. Abracadabra! But no, my place is always in a semi-mess. Seriously, I'm a touch down these days, so send some good vibes my way, hug someone near you and symbolically transpond some of the energy to me and to any other earth system that you wish Well. (Actually it's not bad, only two nights, and a dose of sleep, music, etc., will help me hold on, though facing another day at the mired thesis will be hard, I'll have to look for that old black door.) David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "I feel the earth move, under my feet, I feel the sky come, tumbling down..." "the sky full of stars like a French lace gown..." "spring come to you at the farthest...at the very end of harvest..." Message fte:368 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 1 May 1995 22:29:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:368 Subject: cold, turn key; take two Last night I wrote the quoted stuff, but it never bounced, so here it is again, with a wee update: > I haven't listened to Sarah for almost a week now > but my glass is about empty so I'll probably break > down and play some of her stuff over breakfast I didn't, but slept in, stayed home, sunned a bit, was very down in the morning through suppertime, slightly better with good food and music in the evening, but still down, this is four nights now (Fri--Mon) although tonight may improve yet. And Sarah's music didn't seem right for breakfast, and I didn't go to the beach yet, but did stick on Steaming after sunning for an hour, after doing my taxes (my total income is a very interesting number, although not in the sense of the personals), and just before hopping into a long bath (steaming, eh). > May 1 (but doubt I'll be up to check the colour of > the dawn). It's the maid day so I'll have to > make her breakfast in bed. Abracadabra! But no, > my place is always in a semi-mess. May Day has been uneventful so far, but I hope for a big rain storm or something after midnight. Although when I went to pay my rent I left a frying pan on and could have started a Fire if I had decided to wander to the sea instead of toddling back home. > Seriously, I've been a touch down since late Friday, so > send some good vibes my way, hug someone near you and > symbolically transpond some of the energy to me > and to any other earth system that you wish Well. > > (Actually it's not bad, only three nights, and a dose > of sleep, music, etc., will help me hold on, though > facing another day at the mired thesis will be hard, > I'll have to look for that old black door.) Now four nights, although tonight is only -1 so far. Guess I'll have to read those mistyped fall from grace lyrics again, maybe they will inspire me to write some depressing song parodies. (Really I should read my own old bullshit, that sometimes cheers me up.) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- > 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 > "spring come to you at the farthest...at the very end of harvest..." -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "sky full of stars like a French lace gown, fumble, stumble, think I'm gonna fall.." "shining (National) steel, tempered in the fire..." "Once I thought I saw you, in a crowded, hazy bar..." "...I have to turn my head until my darkness goes" Message fte:369 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 2 May 1995 19:51:11 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9505021859.AA15830@polar.Bowdoin.EDU> Message-ID: fte:369 Subject: Re: Concert Review Derek Armstrong wrote: >Perhaps McLachlan's most haunting piece of the evening was "Fear," in >which she explores the nakedness and fears of inadequacy accompanying a >new relationship. ... Was I correct in my analysis I haven't listened to it in a while, but yes, I think you have part of it, it is about the fear of letting go/sharing yourself/opening up with another person, the fear of falling/rejection/failure, the fear of allowing friendship to turn to romance since if the romance fails perhaps the friendship will die too, etc. But I think such fears can be outgrown. >McLachlan's most well-known piece, "Possession," follow on its heels, many >feared that she had planned no encore. And though the insistent lyrics of >"Possession" -- "And I will be the one to hold you down/kiss you so hard/ >I'll take your breath away/and after I wipe away the tears/just close your >eyes dear" -- are enough to render any McLachlan fan helpless, No, they are enough to make me helpful. Maybe I'll even do the S. Park walkathon around full moon, although that's probably a morning thing so it may be hard, without a boots (oops, boost). >Sarah McLachlan may still be "fumbling" with her own emotional and >romantic impulses. Huh? If she doesn't know herself yet, nobody else has any chance! I think she's strong and confident these days, FTE/FS was a butterfly emergence, now it should be clear sailing ahead, in silver bells and cocle shells, all in a row... :-) But I guess fumbling can be fun sometimes, as long as the fall is cushioned and sometimes shared. >4) Is there anyway I can get a copy of this review to Sarah? Who knows, >maybe she'll be interested. I guess I could send it to Nettwerk . . . Nettwerk is on this list, so they already have it. >Well, I think I've given you guys enough to comment on, not to mention >having written a much longer post than I'm used to -- I prefer when the >line length reads (35) than when it reads (313) just as much as the next guy. Usually line length means the number of characters per line (how many characters share a line) but I know you mean the line number, or message length. And I haven't o-fended in that regard lately, but the night is young, and the sunset may be red, so we shall see. David D. p.s. In my cold tour key post, I said I was down from Friday night on; actually Friday was only slightly down, and the down period (do swans have down?) started late Saturday night really, through Monday evening. But the cracklin' rosie post to a.s.m. cheered me up a touch, then at home around 3 a.m. I got some nice energy, also around 8:30 a.m. this morning, though I still then slept in late. So it seems I am over my "cures", back to wearing bright colours, although I won't count my chickens yet, a half day does not rosebuds make. But for now I'm walking like a friend of mr. robin, redbreast. Oh, and I finished a spring95 compilation tape, a separate post on that later. Music, food (salmon), and some yoga backbends and twists and a bit of meditation aimed at drawing energy up and down through a blocked belly button chakra and possibly numb heart chakra also helped, although the last needs more work. So I won't resort to a haircut just yet. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "gave my love a golden feather... it is a good day to dye!" :-) "river run red, black rains fall" "stars beginning to fais do do" Message fte:370 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 2 May 1995 23:16:37 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HQ1RLPEG5E00GEWS@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> Message-ID: fte:370 Subject: Re:FTE'rs covering Sarah songs Aimee wrote: >I also think that it's a fabulous idea, and I would love to hear such a tape >if it is produced, but much as I love to sing along to Sarah's songs, I >wouldn't dare subject anyone else to it! I would love to hear the more >talented of us try, though (and maybe John would like to do Good Enough? ;-) Yeah, to the tune of God Save the Queen as done by the Sex Pistols. Seriously, you should have an annual FTE convention, held at the airline-weighted geographic mean of the list, and get together on a live chorus, and fly Sarah or a Sarah impersonator in to conduct the proceedings. DavidD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "gave my love a golden feather... it is a good day to dye!" :-) "river run red, black rains fall" "stars beginning to fais do do" Message fte:371 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 3 May 1995 1:11:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:371 Subject: A.A. + spring compilation 1. After seeing the thread on Stephen Fearing's The Assassin's Apprentice, I decided to give the tape another listen, but then remembered I had sent it to my (former?) brother-in-law for Christmas. But it never really grabbed me, he has impressed me more live, solo on a few occasions. However, musically and lyrically the album is of very high calibre, and there are several name guests, including Sarah on one track (or more?) and Richard Thompson. I missed the release concert at the Cultch, either due to moody crotchetiness, a hot date elsewhere, or maybe budget (although I don't think that one was too steep). His guitar playing is exemplary. His singing doesn't quiet get me, though, he doesn't quite get enough emotion coming through. (Or maybe it is that male singers with vocal range not too far from my own fail to move me?) 2. In early April I started another compilation tape, which I didn't finish off until today. I'll call it my spring95 compilation tape (was going to say convocation or conjugation but those are rather unlikely). It is still a bit sloppy compared to my last tape, a rough draft, so probably I'll redo it, changing the order and removing a couple of tracks and adding more and making the ending happier. So here it is. First I will list a lyric line from each song and you can try to guess the song. Then I'll list the answers. I wasn't going to put in any sarah songs but slipped up on the second side and put in 3 FS songs in six tape songs, so they all crept up on me without warning near the end. And I don't think I'll give anyone a copy of this one. Lyrics to guess the songs/artists to: ------------------------------------ clouds are drifting across the moon, cats are prowling on their beat... tickle her leg with the barley straw (instrumental) ...but the summer is hot and I might surprise you... crossing over, this boiling river, river of tears (of joy) salamanca/banshee/sailor's bonnet (instrumental) she's graceful and she's charming like the lilies in the pond... you ask me how I feel, I said my heart was like a wheel... on my way, and i must flag the last train down...Mary found her wishing well remember when we walked along, down by river's end...drift and fall with you the sky full of stars like a french lace gown, shimmer, glimmer... you're looking cold and tired, and more than a little human play it now my lady, cracklin' rose picked me a smile... take a walk under my skies, try to see it once the way I do... heart times take the power from all these fools, oh, people let the children rule old hag you have "killed" me (instrumental) when you find a golden feather, means you'll never lose your way back home with trembling hands she reaches out...i would be the first to go auntie mary had a canary/brother's jig (instrumental) at the crossroads i am standing...hold on for this is gonna hurt like what do you do with a drunken sailor...put him in the hold with the c.d. stars beginning to fais do do, and i lead the parade, came without warning just a little place they call big sam...amusez moi a la fais do do you keep sayin' you got somethin' for me...brand new box of matches.. river run red, black rain falls, dust in my hand... i will pull my love some roses, some wild irish roses... so now here's the full listing: Side A. The Pogues: Dirty Old Town (by Ewan MacColl) clouds are drifting across the moon, cats are prowling on their beat... Sharon Shannon: tickle her leg with the barley straw (instrumental) Tanita Tikaram: Love Story ...but the summer is hot and I might surprise you... UHF: Boiling River crossing over, this boiling river, river of tears (of joy) The Bothy Band: salamanca/banshee/sailor's bonnet (instrumental) Jean Hewson: Sweet Forget Me Not (trad) she's graceful and she's charming like the lilies in the pond... Kate & Anna McGarrigle: Love, Ovary and Ovary you ask me how I feel, I said my heart was like a wheel... Bill Bourne & Shannon Johnson: Baggins i'm on my way, and i must flag the last train down...Mary found her wishing well Mae Moore: Fall With You remember when we walked along, down by river's end...drift and fall with you... David Wilcox: Riverboat Fantasy the sky full of stars like a french lace gown, shimmer, glimmer... Cowboy Junkees: Crescent Moon you're looking cold and tired, and more than a little human Kneel, Diarmuid: Cracklin' Rosie play it now, play it now my lady, cracklin' rose picked me a smile... [the tape editing worked out accidentally so that this fit perfectly] Side B. James Keelaghan: My Skies take a walk under my skies, try to see it once the way I do...heart times Bill Bourne & Alan MacLeod: Let the Children Rule take the power from all these fools, oh, people let the children rule The Bothy Band: old hag you have "killed" me (instrumental) Robbie Robertson & The Red Road Ensemble: Golden Feather when you find a golden feather, means you'll never lose your way back home Sarah McLachlan: Mary (freedom sessions version) with trembling hands she reaches out...i would be the first to go Figgy Duff: auntie mary had a canary/brother's jig (instrumental) Sarah McLachlan: Hold On (freedom sessions hidden track) at the crossroads i am standing...hold on for this is gonna hurt like Great Big Sea: Drunken Sailor (trad) what do you do with a drunken sailor...put him in the hold with the c.d. Sarah McLachlan: Ol' 55 (Tom Waits) stars beginning to fais do do, and i lead the parade, came without warning [so I slipped and put three sarah songs from one recording all almost in a row, normally I would spread things out, but got carried away] Nouveau Station Wagon: Fais Do Do (trad?) just a little place they call big sam...amusez moi a la fais do do [this I dubbed from tape, is not as good quality so may replace] Four Bitchin' Babes: These Boots are Made for WalKing (Nancy SinAtRa) you keep sayin' you got somethin' for me...brand new box of matches... [I may replace this with a different version or different boot song] Midnight Oil: River Run Red river run red, black rain falls, dust in my hand... [I only recorded part of this, and may replace it since it can be a downer unless used as an anthem for change, although I can find other positive meanings in some lyric fragments] Silly Wizard: Banks of the Lee (trad) i will pull my love some roses, some wild irish roses... [this could be a downer, but the "forever parting" I will take to mean running hands through hair or the like. Also fate edited it for me, the tape ran out just after the roses bit, chopping off the bit about the grave, which cheered me up a lot, it was a good bad edit. But I may redo this and end with an unambiguously cheerful song by reordering the tape. Guess I could play side B first for now.] "cooKing kisses and moonshine misses, sailing away from my heartache, on a riverboat fantasy..." Oh, and on my way out the door today I picked up, from where it had fallen on the grass, a Grand & Toy golden HB pencil, so I guess there might be a gold swan as well as a black and white and red one. Lowdown--> owldown --> sunup --> B&B? Anyway, I feel 100% tonight, but have again done no work, just editing my list of musicians/numbers to pass along to the new grad centre music coordinator, I want to make sure that my favourites continue to get gigs, and that my friends have a foot in the door (of course, some friends are also favourites, and some friends may not be quite as friendly now that I'm no longer booKing.) no p.s. today! s.o.a.p.s. (what could that stand for) Shoot, the list is dead, and if it doesn't liven up I will have to start posting desperate bad humour again. How's that for black mail? Oh, and I just noticed this evening that the door I most often enter this building (geop and astro) by is red, but at night it will probably look black. And today in the brief yoga meditation, I was crosslegged but am not flexible enough to put the heel against the base chakra so took my big old red candle and wedged it in, as I was trying to break the solar plexus chakra block from below and above. There was no obvious success, no sparks or anything, but I feel better tonight, probably due to something completely different, mysterious. This must be my longest in a while! But it's not the hardest (to read) and hopefully isn't as useless as tuts on a french bull. [that looks like an abbreviation, so what is bulletin in french? The same (I walked down the hall to make sure) but bulletin board is tableau, so "our hands are tied on the tableau" but I don't have modem outdial access from here so can't browse the bbS (or the babes)] -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "once I thought I saw you, in a crowded, hazy bar.."--[Neil Young] "...i have to turn my head until my darkness goes."--[Rolling STones] "shining like a precious jewel... people let the children rule"--[Bill Bourne] Message fte:372 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 3 May 1995 13:23:02 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:372 Subject: Re: How To Start a Sarah collection re the subject, I didn't know there was more than one Sarah :-) (But she does enough music/art/touring/etc to be twins, only with the help of a honey of a good team, of course.) Janet wrote: >>I'm a newbie to this list, and in fact to Sarah -- the record shops here >>are pretty hopeless with the more unusual artists, and so far I only have >>her Possession Single, but I love that! Any hints about where to start >>re.my Sarah CD collection?? What do you have so far and what do you like the best about it? That will give us some idea of where to tell you to go from here. But it's all good. Mike Reilly wrote: >Hi Janet, and welcome to the list! :) It is really easy to order from >Nettwerk via mail order for your Sarah stuff, and with the current exchange >rate U.S. Dollar -> Canadian Dollar you end up getting the CD for less than >you can purchase it here in the US. Janet is not in the US but Australia, hiya down under, Janet, but I guess the mail order advantage is probably still true. e.P.S.f.: on the way home last night on Broadway my right ring finger flashed just before or at Benny's Bagels (do they have a BBs?) but I toddled home to doze until my virtual wakeup call at 8:30. So that must be a clue to the bagel topology of spacetime. Also the profusion of lilacs must be related to Ly locks, so ship gates in the gravity wave river. And I have a heart of stone (although it looks like a squashed chicken heart) in my jewel box, but no golden fetter (although my chain could be that, maybe I will get a heart of jade to put on it. But I already have one, shaped like a bagel [actualy a d-nut]). :-) Does Sarah ever wear slippers on stage or just boots? I bet she doesn't put hot coals in the boots like Brigit's "pupil" Tara (also known as Tea) did to stop the bad urges, according to monks. But I've never heard Coal, and don't own a vest, just an a.d.i.d.a.s. mussel shirt, guess I'm up hit creek. So if I'm conn.-fused or cun.-fused, where's the fire? I am not walking around S.Park again, so there! (Actually I will look at the rape crisis walkathon brochure again.) David D. "and I wooD bee the one to halt your down"..."old hag you have kissed me..." Message fte:373 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 3 May 1995 17:29:56 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:373 Subject: Re:TFS reviewed in RS #708 Gina penned: >On Wed, 3 May 1995, Dave J. O'Toole wrote: >> Just flipping through the latest issue of Rolling Stone (#708, the one >> with the cast of 'Friends' on the cover) and I noticed that The Freedom >> Sessions is in the review section. The reviewer (Andrea Odintz) gave it 2.5 >> stars out of 5. I don't have the time to transcribe it, but here's a >> couple of excerpts. 2.5/5=0.5! But I'm in room 254 now, not 255. Who is this Andrea Odintz (good name, though)? I give it 5/5, as usual. >And I would have given it 4 stars. My biggest complaint about this >wonderful cd is that the cd-rom part was put on track one and I keep >forgetting this and throwing it in the player and hitting play and >getting this awful static. Yuck. Not bad if that is my only complaint, >don't you think? Just remember that for freedom sessions you have to start off soft (in volume), but be forward (skip the first track except when in cd rom mode). Or mark in black marker under the cd in the cd case "skip first track" as a reminder, for a low tech solution. >> "The EP will have its audience, though, as evidenced by McLachlan's >> large and loyal fan base on the Internet." Brings an image of an electric fan with a large base to mind, or a base of large fans. But fan bass is important, both the concert type and the whirlygig type. >Please tell me that us on the geekernet are the only ones buying this cd. :) >(humor people) Well, a few good hackers can cause a lot of electronic orders. >> The gist of the review is best shown by the last sentance, which reads: >> >> "Beyond that [the CD-ROM], an album of new material would have been a >> greater investment on the artist's part." But there was not too much added investment, it was already pretty well done in the buildup to ecstasy, I think. >As most of you know my hubby is a buyer for a distributor here in hubby --> hub bee --> hub B --> magnetic field at the hub(cap)? >Arizona. Mainly they distribute to small mom and pop stores and (most >major of all) are the company owned stores that there are 7 of in the >state. They mainly sell "alternative" type music. I think a nose ring >of some sort of piercing is mandatory for working there. :) Do piercing eyes count? But no, I don't have XX-ray vision. >WEll, back >to my reason for writing, my husband, being a buyer told me that they are >still selling more copies of FTE than Freedom Sessions. Why is this? Is >it not being advertised enough. Are we not spreading the word enough? >Does anyone have any ideas. I know that he knows what he is talking >about since it is his job to make the purchases for the company on this >product. Sometimes there is a lot of fumbling and not too much in the way of freedom sessions. Also FTE is not yet fetid, it hasn't outlived it's shelf live and got a bigger push at the start of it's life, FS is more of an add-on that only a few dye-hard fans and computer lovers will buy, and a few who want a rougher and readier but lighter and more intimate Sarah. Maybe Freedom is not for the masses but just the enlightened few? David D. p.s. I had a mild downer today, the computer wouldn't let me register, it seems grad studies lost their copy of the memo saying my shelf life was good to dec31, and our dept grad secretary had to fax a copy over. But my registration will still be delayed a bit. Also my student loan isn't in yet, so even if i register I won't pay my fees for a little while. All that was shaking but I decided to take some deep breaths, go for some ice cream (actually didn't because the cafeteria was closed) and carry on (gang). So anyway it seems I will have to be serious for a while (at least until tonight). Now I'm off to pass on the big list of people that I have booked and done sound for to my successor, with recommendations. Message fte:374 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 3 May 1995 20:16:45 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:374 Subject: Re: How To Start a Sarah collection Janet wrote: >Looks like I'll be getting ALL her albums...eventually...aargh I just >don't know where to start!! OK, what do I like best...the >lyrics. Definitely. I'm really into lyrics that come from the heart, and >are more like poetry. OK, then get all her recordings, the lyrics are great on all three albums, from the evocative wild night ramblings of Touch through the valley of despair and the mountain pass of fire in Solace and on to strong, stark beauty in FTE. If you >Thanks again y'all! > >Janet...and yes, I am in Australia...Brisbane, Queensland to be exact.:) > for more lyrics see http://www.nettwerk.com//sar_fumbling_lyrics.html and http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~jds5s/music/sarah/albums/solace.html and http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~jds5s/music/sarah/albums/touch.html or ftp ftp.uwp.edu with userid anonymous and your e-mail address as the password, then cd /pub/music/lyrics/m/mclachlan.sarah prompt mget * quit Actually I like the ftp versions of touch and solace better than the above html versions since the ftp ones are not double spaced. And buy the albums to get the real lyrics, with all the nuances, in her handwriting and voicewriting. Or buy the songbook to get some more d-tails. Hmmm, now I'm tempted to try some parody-ing (looks like parrot-dying) but will refrain for now, lest I jump from into the frying pan to the golden pot that called the kettle black hash. :-) David Message fte:375 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 3 May 1995 20:37:21 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:375 Subject: sarah sigh(t)ing I was just over to my local, Koerner's Pub, for a music committee organizational meeting, and they happened to have FTE in the carousel, so Elswhere was on when I arrived, Possession part way through the meeting, and the title double track when I left. But the notable thing is that I was talking about something when Possession popped up with "i would be the one to hold you down, take your breath away" and suddenly I lost my train of thought for at least 5.5 seconds before I resumed talking (although that's not too unusual, I guess). <> And in my wanderings and when leaving I tried three bank shots with the hand and cue ball: first a five banker on the cue stroking a ball 4--5 inches along the rail into a pocket, this I missed by about a millimetre, so the five-banker was close; later a rushed three banker on the same (now displaced) ball, which I missed by at least four inches; and then on the way out a quick four-banker on the cue ball directly into the pocket, which went in with hardly any effort. So today I'm back, and somehow the river says four banks beats five banks beats three banks. I wonder what Barings would say? Probably to walk softly and use a hick. stick next time. (Hey, there's a Stephen Wolfram book at the computer next to me [calico], and I didn't get my May Railway schedule yet, that must be related, although I haven't read any Balzac yet, what was the first name?) David, bored Message fte:376 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 5 May 1995 17:38:06 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:376 Subject: lawsuits After reading the column in yesterday's Georgia Straight (free Vancouver entertainment mag) about the various lawsuits aimed at Sarah and at Nettwerk, I feel that the statements of defense released by Sarah's lawyer ring true, even if I put myself in unbiased intuitive mode (as I just did to knock the Canucks out against the Blues and have Phillie beat the Flames in the Stanley Cup, in my dept playoff hockey pool, even though they are not my favourites or the statistical favourites, just my "Jacob 2-2 and the Hooded Fang" picks). After all, why the hell did they wait so long to file for songwriting credit, rather than doing it five years ago, or even as soon as Touch was released? Somethings smells fishy to me! So for now I will continue to offer my (virtual) moral support where it belongs, rather than being shaken into doubt by the merest unfounded rumour that Sarah might have a shady/bad side. And that's all I have to say on the subject. Oh, and I also saw that Ginger will be at the Town Pump tonight and Saturday, along with the Nettwerk night at the Railway Monday and Jewel and Deep Julia at the Gasworks Music Hall Saturday (when hockey playoffs begin, also Jewel is on RealTime on CBC-FM at 8:15 p.m. PDT) and the Music West conference showcase stuff next week (any music industry mavens on this list coming?). But, to stay in the pink, I'll have to give most of them a miss. Damn, it's so hard, not to play (with the writing). (And I don't follow the phuck, eh!) t David D ------ "the landlord's deaf he can never be found...time to wring some changes" Message fte:377 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 8 May 1995 17:49:56 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199505082214.RAA03268@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: fte:377 Subject: Re: Sarah and hockey Zzephyr (Brian) wrote: > Apparantly Sarah does enjoy hockey, Bradley, seeing as how she'll be singing > the national anthem at a hockey game in three days! Oh? I thought she liked singing, and exposure, and hawkysack, but I guess she might like hockey too. What's happening in the AHL? Did the St. John's Maple Leafs knock Halifax out? Who was HawkEye on M.A.S.H.? But I guess I'll have to go to my grad centre pub to catch the pre-game stuff and part of the first period before leaving at 6:18 to dash off to yoga (with my luck they'll score just after I leave). Oh, and Jewel was good for 20, but not as good as you know who, of course. She was rooted, strong, poetic, funny at times. Then Shannon Moore and her band Deep Julia rocked the place, which could use some lighting adjustments to help it escape its most recent incarnation (piano bar). Red light on red brick doesn't cut it. David D. "all the leaves are brown, and the sky is gRay..." serum--> saraM (music to heal the sole) smiles to go, and promisses to keep, I'd better stop here, ducks. Message fte:378 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 8 May 1995 22:48:21 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:378 Subject: FS CD+mm promo article + sc-ramble Does anyone on here know if the newspaper article that people have been discussing has been in the Globe and Mail? If so I can dig into the recycling bag in our coffee room to get it. Else I guess I'll have to swing by the top floor of UBC library the next time I'm over there. I'm off to check out the Joy of Cooking (no, really, the Taste of Joy, but I fondly remember the woman who sold me my copy of the Joy of C just after I moved here, at UBC Bookstore in Sept85, she was just quitting the job and, I later realized with my usual delayed reaction, was making hints that, if I was a bit less dull I would have noticed and asked her to meet me for a beverage after work, which might have nipped everything in the rosebud). e.g.: "oh you just moved out on your own?..." "I'm quitting this stupid cashier job today/I get off at ..." Have a big O, Canada, and don't let your Shield crack! (I would never smoke crack, or eat colcannon without pepper.) David D. hey, tonight the moon is just past D, last night it was just before D, so breakfast must have been the meeting of the light half moon and the dark half moon. Plus if you take DD and turn one D around then you get a divided O. Ouch! Oh, wait, it's perspective, in lunar imaging. promises? "howl at the moon" (Cohen) lie (on _someone_'s lips?): yes dear, that tastes wonderful uh oh, i'm drifting into the whirlpool of o-fence, well beyond second bass, far from home pilot, (use) safe at first, strike three (matches) and I'm out, on the ice during a power play with no clothes on. Remember the James Bond one where 007 was attacked by the hockey players? Those hip checks are dangereuses, you can really get creamed on the ice. Message fte:379 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:00:06 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HQAWYHMMPE014D7P@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:379 Subject: rear nodes, taste of joey, ant-hems (was Re: And again...) John Shepherd wrote: > Yeah, but who would want to see a Sarah show from the back row > at a giant venue? "I think I can almost see the stage from > here!" I think I wouldn't mind trying that at least once in my life, at a good auditorium "mirror image" acoustic node and with a good set of binoculars, so that I could still get a look at the picking and smiles/etc while having the panoramic view and sense of the crowd energy. But then again, with the "Dalton gang" name, I seem to like to have my back to the wall more than some, and occasionally feel crowd-phobic unless I'm with a gang of friends, and maybe don't like getting sprayed on as much as all you ticketmaster buggers (those who bug ticketmaster). Still, in a good mood, a good (any?) Sarah concert can transport me out of crowd mode and into glade mode, wherever I am sitting. On ecto, I see that there is a record label called Sarah Records. Taste of Joy were good, buy their album. I missed Ralph though, though he would be on between sets sort of as MC but no dice. There was lots of nettwerking going on, though, and I heard that a detroit red wing songbird (a guy who sings national anthems for the detroit hockey team) was in the back bar. And I guess in anthem singing the harmonics should have nodes 1.55m (hockey player on skates heart chakra average height?) above ice level for proper sportsperson stimulation? So take the speed of sound and divide it by the 1.55 m to get a frequency? It's not that simple, though. David D. "oh adanac, we stand on the fence for thee" (Salsbury Hill is at Adanac and Salsbury?) Life is a cosmic joke, at least mine is, no puccini line in sight. Message fte:380 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:45:43 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:380 Subject: off-topic: hockey After my post about the halftime show yesterday, last night I took one of the books in my bedside pile, The Divine Ryans, and after seeing nothing of much interest on the opening and closing pages, decided to flip to the middle page. Lo and behold, there begins a scene with Mary the goalie demolishing Draper Doyle Ryan by playing on his fears. Savid D. p.s. Why should you pee before you cue, and mind your Ps and Qs? It is related to the difference between P-celtic and Q-celtic, which has piqued my interest enough to look in the soc.culture.celtic FAQ and relearn that P-celtic is Cumbric (extinct?), Welsh, Cornish, Breton and Q-celtic is Irish, Scots Gaelic and Manx. In Scotland, it is pronounced Gallic, in Ireland and Manx, Gaelic. What does this have to do with the subject? Keep your eye on the pUq? And I left my Shakespeare (book!) in Newfoundland. Message fte:381 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 15 May 1995 19:09:10 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: , Message-ID: fte:381 Subject: Music West notes [long, in G] Since I had two ex-ubc friends visiting this weekend I didn't get a Music West conference festival wristband and do the all-out club-hopping thing, but I did catch a few promising acts worthy of mention on here. However, I missed lots of people you will have heard about, such as Ani diFranco (heard her at the folk fest last year), Jann Arden, Jewel Kilcher (has she covered Cher?), Taste of Joy (heard them earlier in the week, and for those on ecto, check out this new Nettwerk band led by Michelle Gould formerly of Lava Hay), Babe Gurr (heard her at the benefit at the Vogue in december, good), Shannon Moore and Deep Julia (look out, world), Veda Hille, and oodles and oodles more. For those I did catch... On Friday I and the visiting Ph.Ds (short for Phone D) went to the Railway more for ambiance and beer but when we got there Tippy Agogo and band were going full tilt, to the largest audience of the night, and I semi-jokingly called them "urban tribal". Good stuff, gets the old heart envelope back in phase with the breath. Next Sandra Lockwood came on, and wasn't really coming through to the back of the bar, so I moved up for a listen and decided she has some promise but the band and arrangements still need some work, and maybe some strings or backup vocals would help. My friends didn't like her too much and being industry/academic types fresh from a week of conference drinking in Calgary, were fading and dragged me away (actually I could have stayed but wanted to save my energies for Sat/Sun). On the way out a guy, I think "Mr Jones and the Previous" was delivering voice and guitar in a rapid patter, not too bad but wasn't breathing properly or spacing things, which even Mr. Jones must do when manic if he wants to live a long life. (talk about keeping up with the Joneses) But I didn't hear too much of the set. On Saturday, friends and I did brunch at Sophie's Cosmic Cafe, afternoon beer and cookies at the Railway, Yale jam tail end, Yaletown Brew Pub for the benefit of one friend, who likes, then, mainly due to a phone call from one of the performers, was pleasantly surprised by a relatively new venue, the Treehouse Lounge in the St. Regis Hotel, across from the Railway Club. It has good wood/feel/aspect ratio/acoustics/ambience, reasonable beer prices, pleasant staff, and an interesting clienteel, and supports mainly local artists. During the festival it was fairly crowded, probably outside that time it is a bit more relaxed and may have a bit different crowd, but I plan to go back someday soon anyway. The friend who had phoned me, Danielle French, was up first, with backup vocal (and one co-lead) and guitar from Jenny Allen, who I have mentioned on FTE before. Both are from Calgary or nearby and have spent much time in Vancouver and nearby. Danielle has a clear, high voice, but with a unique sort of roll to it, I won't describe her as like anybody. Jenny has an equally passionate angelic voice, slightly lower. Danielle gets better every time I hear her, they started out with a noisy crowd, a touch tentative but had the crowd eating out of their hands before long; the opening set is always the hardest but they set the room aglow. Danielle's tuning humour is getting better but still could use some work. She just released a CD which features guests from bands such as Sarah McLachlan band, Mae Moore band, Spirit of the West, and maybe Barney Bentall and the Legendary Hearts and Blue Rodeo. (I didn't buy it yet, feel bad about that since I spent more than $13 on beer, but will get it on the 26th and maybe review it and post mail order info.) But I'm completely unpoetic (drye) so far this month and didn't take notes, except musical ones (and if ear...). Next up was a new discovery, from Toronto, Kathryn Rose and her band Wind May Do Damage (what's that in french?). At first I didn't like her too much but that's probably because of the new face factor. Also her band didn't seem to be together and properly behind her at the start, but really gelled later on. This may partly be sound problems, or stage jitters (a video crew came in for the first part). After the video crew left, they cut loose more. Ms. Rose is a powerful torch singer, great projection, with some sax/keys/guitar/bass/drums backup, some backup vocals from the guitarist which worked OK despite the fact that he is male (for all those on FTE who think male backup vocals are cheesy). The lyrics were mostly fun, not too complicated, bluesy/r&b style, but delivered with passion, the voice rang through the room and inside my head even. I could have schmoozed afterwards but didn't because I'm no longer booking people, and am restricting my cd purchases for a while, and besides others kept her sort of busy. So anyway I'll watch for her in future, a growing fire. Then there was a folk quartet, Imaginary Heaven, from Ottawa I think, two voices, harp/keys, guitar. Now I liked them but they didn't fit the crowd/time/venue quite right, perhaps would have worked better if they preceeded Ms. Rose (any relation to Jim Rose?) since she had the crowd worked up. Also they could have used more intrumentla solos woven with the vocal harmonies, the instruments stuck to mostly a simple rhythm with the voice rather than lofting the voices ever higher by the instrumental matrix. Of the instruments I liked the sound of the keyboard best for some reason, the harp was Ok but a little tinkly, at the time I visualised how the sounding board could have a side-to-side S ccurve, like one of those amazon bows, i.e., a warp curve, and that might do something to the acoustics. The crowd was a bit noisy so I didn't get a good listen, and would probably hear them again but not go too far out of my way to do so. After this my second friend left (the first had faded away before their set, also earlier we had left after Danielle's set to go to the Piccadilly to hear the tail end of Deep Julia and then Taste of Joy, but my friends balked at paying a second cover plus I had heard them before so we went back after a brief sidewalk listen). Up last was lyrical chanteuse Holly McNarland (not sure where she's from, I hope Vancouver). I forget if she performed solo or with a band, I think a band but she was playing some strong guitar too, bobbing about, controlling the crowd with her smooth but piercing voice. Now her voice didn't move me _quite_ as much as Kathryn Rose's but her lyrics moved me a good bit more, in an unexpected direction to some mother's day hol[l]y water (from the ice [eyes]) on one occasion. So she knocked me down (but not down) and I recommend her stuff, not sure if there is a CD yet (but if so then you should all buy at least one), didbn't stick around, should have since the Railway was an animal house by that time, worse than new year's :-) . (For sardines, "auntie mary, has a cannery, up the leg of her drawers" so the Railway was cannery row, the treehouse more along the lines of the lady of the lake.) Then I went over to The Railway at 1:30 to catch Colin Hay, who must be/have been in Men at Work since he did their "I come from a land down under" (appropriate for Mother's Day if it's a hairy marshland, not a mars land) tune. When I got there the place was packed and hot, Hay (whey, hay, up she rises...I'm on my whey home, I thought, but already had A Dos Equis with two lime bits in it, my 5th bevy) seemd tired, not into it/not in control of the crowd, but really was setting them up for the later stuff. I moved up along the side, started doing my usual circular energy visualization tricks to get the music going in the head, but then remembered that for Banshee Reel last year I had to reverse the loop directions. Since Hay is from down under I did that as well, and then he coincidentally (second half of his set) took over, winning the crowd over completely. So he was good, but his voice didn't really get inside me like some, so I wouldn't run around to hear him. Sunday night late I dropped in on a songwriter's roundtable workshop at the Railway with Rob Wilsonn, Archie Roach, Carmaig DeForest and Thomas McKay. The format was a touch stilted and the crowd small and intimate, so they weren't as motivated or momentum-ized as they would be normally in a good crowd (or A&R crowd) full set situation. But they were all good, and I got to think about songwriting a bit, and change some words here and there in my head as usual (let me putt it to you...). Rob Wilson, whose card I have from my booking days, and who lives in the same housing co-op as my yoga teacher, had the voice that impressed the most, he certainly wouldn't be a cheesy male backup (fte-ers), although some others had better lyrics or better guitar work or better stage moves and banter, it all adds up. And I discovered that 5 beer on an empty-ish stomach has more effect than the 5 on a fuller (brush?) stomach the night before. (And I ended up having to use my ma-stir-card, not sure what that number entails, whereas the visa number ends in 955.) Plus a certain med taken all early in the day instead of distributed left me with a puffy (mother's day) gut and ice cream temperature hands (useful in August?). Enough, I'm as cold as slow molasses :-) and drye as good wine. So anyway, Music West is a good time for you to all come visit. The above is pretty much an unedited ramble so most TypOs are nunintentional. David D. fte-p.s. John, I like peaches better than preaches, and with ice cream, not flambee. Is the u in in the movie title The Colour Purple? (for some reason early saturday I had the purple/orange blues) ecto-p.s. Lass word: And who would be the lass to know? (Check The Freedom Sessions for the answer.) (Or maybe that Count(y) Down tune from Van Morrison & The Chieftains) ?: Northwest passage ---> hand of franklin? --> me, go fly a kite? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message fte:382 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 15 May 1995 21:56:12 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HQJ2RKZ3OO00X34W@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:382 Subject: Re:Delurk... I don't approve of moralizing/preaching on the list, but will comment briefly on John's words, without using the be-low-torch. But I'me very late for supper so this may be a bit of a ramble. John Shepard wrote: >I look >around at other such creative people in the world, particularly >the successful ones; musicians, artists, etc. and am often >startled to see how many are homosexuals, otherwise promiscuous, (pro miss cue us) >on drugs, into weird cults, etc. That is partly because the strain of being treated as other, when you don't deserve to be, can lead to flowers of creativity bursting forth, uncalled for. I won't comment on the promiscuous thing, except to say that if it doesn't concern you, leave your nose out of it. (s.d.: "it'll only take 12 beer, my dear, and i'll be yours 'till mourning", despite the knee ache?) >The old cliche goes that men enjoy watching lesbians. The cliche >is true. No, it is not, not for all, many people don't like watching others have sex at all. It may be true that some men prefer watching a screen depiction two women rather than a mixed couple since in watching a mixed couple their own repressed homosexual fraction surfaces, part of them identifies with the woman and they don't like that. Or in watching erotica involving women, there can be a mysterious identification with one or both, the inner woman-witch-soul (to quote Dylan Thomas) rising to the surface of the male body. Also often women are much more sensual in their love-making (I guess), more curved, not as linear/one-track, many noded, hours upon hours of slow buildup, more after, non-arranged talk/encores instead of the old rollover, etc. >This, to leap topics, comes to Sarah's oft-quoted remarks about >how she loves penises, and the main reason I could never be gay >myself: the damn things are ugly, and frankly, I assume they >feel better to a woman than they look, because I have problems >believing (though this is 1995, nothing is unbelievable) anyone >could get aroused looking at those "worms". Holy shit, if you can't love your own body, who else will? And much of modern architecture, warfare, cars etc, is completely dominated by phallic symbols. John, you need some therapy to deal with some repressive thoughts instilled in you probably at a very early age. Granted, we got the short end of the stick when it comes to beauty, but think dragon, not worm. (And fire can burn slow and hot, think fire trucks in a parade and not on the way to the fire. friar tuck?) >I am now going on the belief that we aren't judged by what we >do, but why we do it: you have sex with someone because you're >in love with them, or you have sex with someone because you're a >pervert and can't/don't want to control yourself. Sex and love are inseparable, when you are truly (not just in convenience) in love the sex will be oh so much better, and indeed at times you will mutually be unable to control yourself, and get swept away together. Sex for sex's sake is not nearly as good as sex for the sake (japanese rice wine) of both, sex with not an object of your own gratification but as part of a merged system. The only problem with that is that some people never take the time to truly get in tune and find their true soul mates, and skip from one shallow relationship to another, never breaking their fear of opening up their sails. N.Y.:"i want to love you but i'm getting blown away..." >Where this is leading, is this: my hope is that Sarah's choice, >unconscious though it is, is for the better: she does what she >does for good reasons. I. e. she's sexually active, we know from >Rolling Stone, she was in a photo in Out (which to some >Christians, is a mortal sin by itself), etc. not because she's >some weird kind of lesbian pervert or sex addict, but because a) >she loves her boyfriend, and b) she just happened to be there >when the picture was taken. She's a musician not because she is >addicted to the fame (heavens no) but because she likes to make >music, and knows she can help people along the way. Listen, John, compared to those musicians who have gone down the old gutter route, through the dregs of despair, even to addiction and suicide, Sarah is in great shape, hell, she is more wholesome than most women, musician or not --- this is the late 20th century. Why don't you divert your efforts into giving new choices to the more hopeless cases, that they may or may not chooses to follow? Indeed, I think that Sarah has done that by example, coming through some rough times to what seems to be a period of strong womanly power, no little girl tossed by the system she. >Beyond this, there are still a lot of things about Sarah that I >don't know, such as her stand on abortion, politics in general, >etc. I can only hope whatever she believes, she believes for >reasons other than greed/hate/stupidity/etc. There are enough >bad people in the world, I'd hate to think one could masquerade >this long in such a beautiful (personalitywise) disguise. This >is why I make such a big deal out of Sarah's sexuality, >politics, behavior etc. John, she gives her all in a concert, her lyrics come from deep within, no Milli Vanilli here, surely you can get the sense of honesty and passion in the concerts, and some sense of her stands from the lyrics and between song comments at concerts? And would you make such a big deal if Sarah was male; why does she have to be such a shining untarnished Virgin Mary image for you? Get a life, we are all flawed gems, else there can be no growth, no life, no change. If you want perfection go and and suck the smegma off a magic mushroom or three and hash it out, don't break the mirror though. You'll find your lover sooner though if you're willing to move in new directions, break out of the rut. But don't more women go to church than men? Check out the picnics and church dances, but you may be surprised in the end. >> You suck the joy out of everything don't >>you john. > >Yes. You should get The Taste of Joy CD then, and for a river, well, joy is a renewable and shareable resource, so catch the spark, in the dark, for a lark, go and park. (bad I know) Disclaimer: I have had one cinnamon bun, a third of a bag of thunder crunch jalopeno chips, and one granny smith apple since 11:30 a.m. (now 10 p.m.) so this is not my top form (yet). And I can't even think of a good twisted lyric to end with. David D. end? what end? Message fte:383 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 17 May 1995 22:36:23 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HQLX2XFX2A002N2K@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:383 Subject: FRe:May. as well respond to it all... John S wrote a 45157 byte message (which when compressed (gzipped) worked out to 19006.0 bytes; but yoga is Thursday, not Friday the (13+6th-day)th!) :-) I'll reply to some points and try to gently redirect the discussion back to either topical applications or drown it with some deliberate bizarre stuff (so don't call in the white coats to seal me off just yet). The best (some may liken it to wurst, or fiber [wool]) will come towards the end of the massage, I think. someone else wrote S>>Now, back to the topic at hand, which I do believe is Sarah McLachlan... And of course limited topical discushions inspired by her and hers. S>To an extent, I mean both the building and the people in it. But S>you see my point. Yes, the steeple is a phallic symbol too, but it could also be an aroused outie, stage left, as opposed to the CirCle of fire that fundie righties go to. But I don't shop at Aureole books, or pinch cooks either. S>franchise. Hence "Render unto Caesar". Julius, orange from Willyam, will solve the fat problem and lucribation problem and breast cancer problem all in one? And what's a seasar, a salad? My brother has a great recipe for caesar salad dressing, I guess anchovies are ok in small doses but not when too well baked on pizza. S>The part of the law that I think is God's is those ten specific S>laws given to that dude in the Old Testament, whatsisname, S>Moses? Wasn't he stoned, near the dead sea? S>>religion really fucks people up and generates inbred morons such as yourself. S> ^^^^^^ S>How'd you know that? She probably meant inbed rowmorns. S>You'd do well to learn quickly not to call people inbred; But it's ok to call people in bed if its within the time limit or if its an emergent sea. S>The point is, Sarah _doesn't_ believe. So Sarah doesn't believe in in the end! And she doesn't bee leave! And she does ent believe! :-) S>Fuck me. phoque is french for seal, which can be short for cecille, or celia (what's celiac), or cecelia, which isn't too clear. S>I was once part of that world. Gimme time to cut the cord S>completely, then try to flame me again. I haven't signed on cord much lately, but there's a doll-size noose hanging over the vt220, not for grads but a leftover from a plant hanging. Was it a himplant? Why aren't my spider plants having any spiders? Come, for tea, which circularly maps to eat. S>If we discussed only the music, we'd have a _really_ boring time S>between albums/tours... besides, for a lot of us, and not just S>me, other aspects of Sarah are important, her personality, etc. What, you ate kelp (c period?). But if you repeat the period you get an ellipsis, so c..., which I think has implications for the speed of lite. ALso probably E=Mcc would have to be modified for the coupled effect of the change in entropy (delta S), which lead to "the auld triangle, goes jingle jangle..." which leads to spools of thread and jingle bells??? What happened to the cockle shells? That's a rowing term, right? If not, think of the warming of the cockles of the heart. Oh, today on CBC Vickie Gabereau had some more ecto-ish Music West hangover types on, including The Wyrd Sisters, Three Sheets to the Wind (drunken or sailing term) and Doris Maison. The Three Sheets to the Wind (does the outhouse need patching, w.o. mitchell ref?) did a song that said "silver thread and golden ??? can't mend my heart" or something like that, so at the time, this afternoon, I said why not try some glue. And Ms. Mason was also very good, good voice and accent, another Nova Scottie's tough softie to watch for. (Cream me up, scottie. Uh oh, I'd better cease and desist.) S>>ergo, you are the homosexual lover of the internet S> S>[smack] I walked right into that one. Ha! And I seem to have had a thing for thespians but lately everythings been coming up spades, although not raining down roses just yet. I onder what Cpt. Picard would do? joke: what happens when lesbians get the joke? they les bi an s, but only with the proper french translator/interface. S>in general, while we're sitting over here roasting invertebrates Why not roast some nuts instead, even those of blue blood? I have some walnut and maple ice cream but it will be gone south soon, but need to get some fresh coffee for quests. S>over an open pit. I feel bad about this, but at the same S>time, I'm not the only one feeding the pig. So you did do the magic mushroom thing? Was it fun, and/or hairy. S>Tell that to Katie. and the sunshine band? But tan lines aren't always good since the sun can awaken certain cells in nipples/etc, although perhaps it isn't the damaging UV that does this but something else. So check out that rec.nude list of spots to tour. S>>don't touch those pictures up in Playboy. S>Is that the reason you never see women that pretty in real life? S>:-) Of course you do, and looks are more than staged stillness, but the dance of movement and voice and mind and inexplicably shadowed forces beyond the ken of mortal. And of course a picture is rather scaled (down) and flat and doesn't smell too natural, and getting too attached to them isn't wise. I wonder what it would be like to have sex blindfolded? (I guess she could put a paper bag over my head or we could go spelunking in tandem, the second appeals a bit more.) And John, I think some of the online and other pictures of Sarah may have been touched up a bit too, with computer enhancement or makeup, she is much better looking and multi-faceted in person, although I still tend to lend her my ear (f,r,c) more than eyes, so maybe that neck cyst somehow smeared my impulses over the senses more than the average malemute. See the later discussion of weak/strong/em/gravity forces and orbital spin for more details. S>I know exactly where it leaves me: a pervert. I ain't proud of S>it. That isn't the point. But are you a perfect perfert, or a flexible one? S>My first girlfriend was _in_ the class with me during which we S>read MacBeth. Did she like your thumbs? And now I'm thinking of bubble physics again, sonoluminescence. Less dense regions in a body of liquid when subject to vibrations of a tuned nature can heat up to temperatures of coronal hole level. And beer has bubbles, subject to the Bernouilli effect. So I wonder if she drinks a bubbly drink before singing, if so it could be dangerous. :-) Now I'm wondering what Ovid would say about Vocal Cord Treatment For Ladies? But given the original poem, phase matching is the answer. S>Like I said, you're new here. In my world, _everything_ is S>Sarah-related. But everything is related. And those gravity dimples do the twist and shout. S>Any volunteers? chanticleer, of volant ear. S>From: dalton@geop.ubc.ca S>D>to the surface of the body. Also often women are S>D>much more sensual in their love-making (I guess), more S>D>curved, not as linear/one-track, many noded, hours S>D>upon hours of slow buildup, more after, non-arranged S>D>talk/encores instead of the old rollover, etc. ALthough too slow can be torture, it sometimes is better to keep the main set reasonable in length and then more encores are possible, even after a very quick passover if the stage hands know what they're up to. Why on the "Boots Are Made For Doffing" cover by the 4 itching babes that I put on my last compilation tape, they go off stage during a song but the audience drags them back to finish it, so they get too ovations, although the first is slightly longer, with very little gap compared to the usual encore procedures. But that has to be up to the stars in their sewing circles. S>The man has figured it out. I'm not repressing my homosexuality, S>I'm repressing the fact that I'm a lesbian in a man's body, So you should get together with a homosexual in a woman's body and/or a bridging bisexual in a body of your choice? But it's not that simple, we are all multifaceted and mulicoloured gems, tuned to a different song, and the passion is in finding compatible musical partners in life and working through the best combinations in the time we have. What's a combination lach-vue? Oh my I just remember my last locker combination from 1985, when there was a fire in the tunnels and my badminton racquets got rather smoked but worked ok thereafter. S>and besides, women _do_ seem more sensual. Again, that must be a generalization, and maybe we men are not sensual since society expects us to be not sensual, so that probably with some practice the game will improve. But we will all still have our twists and handicaps, and every playing field and game has its own particualr nuances, which the opponents will no doubt take advantage of to get the upper hand, so maybe you won't ever pay off that student loan. S>D>Holy shit, if you can't love your own body, who else will? S> S>Good point. But on the other hand, what they say about guys with S>long posts, ain't always true... :-) It depends if the sensitive bits are up front, or in the middle, or at the rear, and whether the meat of the matter is properly cloaked. And guys with long posts are usually night people so they'd better watch out for vampeyers. S>You don't think this list is the therapy I need; It is part of it, but try to take things in smaller chunks, take a breath here and there, give the other parties a chance to respond, so it is less of a monologue. And of course onlion is only part of it, you also probably could do with some directed offline group therapy, where you are not in control of the direction, at least not all of the time. Or maybe things will improve with the tide. S>D>Sex or sex's sake is not nearly as good as sex for the S>D>sake (japanese rice wine) of both, sex with not an S> S>Although I'm sure a good deal of said rice wine might alter the S>experience somewhat, at least making your partner more S>attractive if they aren't already, etc. Actually the smell of some types of alcohol is not too attractive to some, especially if is not shared by both parties (Tori and a Library?). A little shared alcohol can lubricate the interfacing somewhat, but it has to be limited and spaced/timed properly. But I agree, if you get plastered the first time together, don't try to do anything much until morning (afternoon) shower/brunch time, except getting to know each other in the fore ways. Now that may not be as true for women (i.e., the orgasm intensity may not have the lopsided bell curve with alcohol but a different shape) so you guys may have to use your chording or picking or vocal apparatus, if you are musicians. S>D>>Beyond this, there are still a lot of things about Sarah that I S>D>>don't know, such as her stand on abortion, politics in general, S>D>>etc. I can only hope whatever she believes, she believes for S>D>>reasons other than greed/hate/stupidity/etc. There are enough S>D>>bad people in the world, I'd hate to think one could masquerade S>D>>this long in such a beautiful (personalitywise) disguis You seem to think she is perfect or something, of course she isn't, she is not a pedestal type, is not a hairless barbie doll, probably gets cranky at times and needs tlc (or, topically, thc?), in fact sometimes celebrities are so strained by keeping up the show for the media and fans that they end up taking out their stress on their families. (But in some cases the families naturally take the stress away.) I'm not saying that she's like that because I haven't met her yet and am not going to go by anybody else's hearsay. She's just a young woman from Nova Scotia who has hit it big all of a sudden and I hope the fame will not strain and dim the flame. And John, I don't think she is a fake, fakirs don't turn me the right way, unless I've been even more severely fooled than I know I have been. S>Comments like "I love penises." But we've hashed through that S>one already. Corned beef hash, with fried green tomatoes? Oh, the "fork us lover worms". Now I know where that missing fork with the roses on it went, it must be under the table. But why are there only four tines, what about the big toe? Pickled in brian? S>D>And would you make such a S>D>big deal if Sarah was male; why does she have to be such S> S>If Sarah was male, I'd never have noticed her existence. I S>really like the female voice better than the male voice, Watch out for those who cast rations (turbot war ref) and the drag on those long trains. But yes, the lip size and shape and mouth depth and chest charcteristics do make for some unique vocal characteristics that a trained ear could distingush in most cases, even if there was a frequency shift filter. But, unlike you, I'd rather hear a "hi, man" than a hymen right now, even though I imagine the hymen is acoustically important in coupling the base chakra with powerful forces of nature early in life, and probably shields the virgin from malign forces (horny wizards and the like). So I suspect that I am actually more attracted to women who have had some practice in certain fields. S>Sarah's soul were to have come into a male body this time S>around, she'd still have become a musician, but in the unlikely S>event that I'd have heard said man's work, I'd not have been S>stirred one way or the other; remember this was Spring 1989, S>alongside Michael Penn and Ivan Lins. Who? Did they play piano/keys? S>D>a shining untarnished Virgin Mary image for you? Get a S> S>If I want shining and untarnished, I'd stick with Enya. :-) (I S>mean, her music is certainly shining and untarnished, to the S>point of boredom.) I think I prefer unvarnished to untarnished (I guess that means not too much oil, and unvanishing, and rafishing). Did those knights in armour oil their gear? What's that about the bottom string, it's boring/dumb? Oh no, I'm slowing down, must be off home soon. S>I once idolized Pete Townshend, but after all the drugs he's S>done, the weird shit, the groupies, the bisexuality, all that's S>left to idolize is the music, and well, he said he'd die before S>he got old, and didn't. Maybe he bought some blue disposable contax? Whatever, it didn't do him much good in the long run. S>From: csoricel@cc.brynmawr.edu S>C>Would you expect anything less stereotypical or more well thought-out from S>C>our S>C>list-baiter? Would you expect restraint from an octopus?!? S>C>Self-censorship from a paranoid delusion? S> S>My problem is still that I _am_ somewhat homophobic. I guess one root of that in many men is that they are afraid of getting hit on, which isn't really that bad since you can just tactfully decline, and it helps you to learn to accept rejection yourself. And after all, the more homosexuals there are, the better the ratio of heterosexual/bisexual guys to heterosexual/bisexual is (really it's more of a continuum, not just dark and light but shades of gray as Marie Lynn Hammond says). The other reason for some is that we have gone so long without a relationship that elders and friends would start to worry about them or non-friends to point fingers if we didn't act homophobic, so the stigma is self-perpetuating and pack driven, but the dam will fall one day, from the trickle plugged by a little finger and growing to a river of openness. It is hard to shake off old habits, but in a generation I bet things will be much better. For now, let them go their own way and they'll leave you alone too, but maybe eventually the natural underpinnings of the system will be more evident, in this time of changes. S>Sarah is, as Meredith Tarr's signature once said, "a throwback S>to the days when female musicians weren't expected to talk like S>truck drivers." I bet she can talk dirty when she feels like it, just look at the Chat session and some interviews. But I wonder if she'll ever put some bad words in her songs other than bullseye. S>She's one of the most wholesome women in the S>business, Yes, much better than Courtney Love, although I'm sure Love will turn (it) around. S>and still creates the finest music around. I'd love to S>be able to look to her and say "See? You don't have to be weird S>to be creative!" I wish she didn't drink, partly for the damage S>she's doing to her liver, Many studies have shown a beneficial effect of alcohol on heart action in moderation, although I recommend not consuming on an empty stomach or too close to bed time. Also the effect on the vocal chords must be considered, some drinks have a drying action, and could conceivably lead to vocal chord hemorraghing (sp?) so should be spaced appropriately in consideration of performance and practice times. (I also heard that during menstruation such vocal chord hemorraging is more likely, but bet that it could be avoided by making sure not to get dehydrated, and also by massage/gentle warmup to get the stress out so that the vocal cords are not too tight and brittle.) S>and partly because I'd like proof that S>all musicians aren't drinkers. I wish she wasn't sexually S>active, partly because I want to be able to apply "Ice Cream" I have some maple and walnut Lucerne ice cream left, going fast. S>Sarah's said she isn't on drugs, this is one major thing to S>which I can look to her as exemplary. My artwork sometimes looks S>like it's drug-influenced; so does hers. That neither of us is S>on chemicals is proof to me that I'm not nearly as insane as I S>sometimes think. See what I mean?` She said she isn't, but that doesn't cover the past, so maybe she has left some colored magic carpet theads behind? But hasn't everybody? S>Exactly. And having sex with people that you do not know is S>immoral, dangerous, and I do _not_ approve of it. But sex is one way of getting to know someone better, ideally after some warmups, and in parrallel process with other methods, so you don't get the old "become a freind and then not fuck because the space between you has gotten fearful" thingie or the "fuck me till i'm blind ... oh, i don't really like you so lets just be friends........." thingie. S>joined 'em together, and ran the finished .wavs through Play16 S>(available from Aminet, and to those who recommended it, thanks) S>and spent the next couple minutes in ecstasy. I had to pull over the sound converter SOX to convert the WAV files to AU files, then used audiotool in openwindows (i usually use tvtwm) to play them on mantle and cat > /dev/audio to play on an external speaker on explo, at 3:33 a.m., they are much smaller in AU form, but the sound quality of the speakers wasn't too good. Still on explo the o canada sent a nice wave through me, which I thought about some more after 4 at home. But in hockey there is no guard, only centre, wingers, and defense, and the goalie clad in mask and pads. S>"hoo hoo hoo hoo..." to which Sarah replied, "They're doing that S>Arsenio Hall thing... hasn't he been cancelled?" isn't it woo woo woo, woo woo woo; or woo woo, woo woo, woo woo. Or maybe it is just wooo wooo mooo. S>I saw this and said "Huh?" but then I noticed the messages have S>been getting to the digest in not-exactly-chronological order... Yes, the d jests occasionally, but cannot time travel alone. And the travel time is related to the slowness, p, which when capitalized becomes Par(i)ty, and the product of Charge parity (C), Space parity (P), and Time parity (T) is suspected to be conserved in the weak nuclear interaction force, which of course plays an important role in the turbulent layer between the repulsive EM forces and strong nuclear attractive forces (gluons). This can be analogous to gravitational chaotic instability regions in a three-body system, which make theories of lunar capture a bit shaky, there's a fine line between capture, slingshotting/separation and catastrophic collision/merger. So there can be a distant attraction, then a mid-zone of uncertainty or even repulsion, but then when the close approach zone is definitely breached there is the strong attractor force. But any repulsion ray can be avoided by doing a twist into hyperspace. For examples, check out the papers in the May issue of Physics Today on the Physics of Baseball, by Robert Adair, and one on Controlloing Chaoes, by Edward Ott and Mark Spano, in Maryland, which has examples from heart tissue arrhythmias to communications to cometary encounters. Now before I wrote this sentence and (will) add(ed) my .sig this message was 20595 bytes long, uncompressed, which sort of jives with the 955 at the end of my Visa and the 519 at the start of my MasterCard and also my BC Tel account number. So what does that have to do with the price of rye in saskatchewan? And when is the third quarter of the financial year anyway? I wonder how long this will be when bounced back by the kistserv and compressed or gzipped? Now it is 21359 bytes long. David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:384 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 18 May 1995 2:29:06 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HQLX2XFX2A002N2K@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:384 Subject: Re:FMay. as well respond to it all... The bounced copy was truncated, at different places for differnt folks, so I am re-sending it, with some minor edits, long new stuff enclosed in square brackets. But it is a long ramble, flame me by email if you don't like the count of bytes. And an in-depth understanding often comes late for me too. If it bounces again it will have to wait until well after dawn. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John S wrote a 45157 byte message (which when compressed (gzipped) worked out to 19006.0 bytes; but yoga is Thursday, not Friday the (13+6th-day)th!) :-) I'll reply to some points and try to gently redirect the discussion back to either topical applications or drown it with some deliberate bizarre stuff (so don't call in the white coats to seal me off just yet). The best (some may liken it to wurst, or fiber [wool]) will come towards the end of the massage, I think. someone else wrote S>>Now, back to the topic at hand, which I do believe is Sarah McLachlan... And of course limited topical discushions inspired by her and hers. S>To an extent, I mean both the building and the people in it. But S>you see my point. Yes, the steeple is a phallic symbol too, but it could also be an aroused outie, stage left, as opposed to the CirCle of fire that fundie righties go to. But I don't shop at Aureole books, or pinch cooks either. S>franchise. Hence "Render unto Caesar". Julius, orange from Willyam, will solve the fat problem and lucribation problem and breast cancer problem all in one? And what's a seasar, a salad? My brother has a great recipe for caesar salad dressing, I guess anchovies are ok in small doses but not when too well baked on pizza. [They must have more HDL than LDL but loads of salt.] S>The part of the law that I think is God's is those ten specific S>laws given to that dude in the Old Testament, whatsisname, S>Moses? Wasn't he stoned, near the dead sea? S>>religion really fucks people up and generates inbred morons such as yourself. S> ^^^^^^ S>How'd you know that? She probably meant inbed rowmorns. S>You'd do well to learn quickly not to call people inbred; But it's ok to call people in bed if its within the time limit or if its an emergent C (sea). S>The point is, Sarah _doesn't_ believe. So Sarah doesn't believe in in the end! And she doesn't bee leave! And she does ent believe! :-) S>Fuck me. phoque is french for seal, which can be short for cecille, or celia (what's celiac), or cecelia, which isn't too clear, I know. S>I was once part of that world. Gimme time to cut the cord S>completely, then try to flame me again. I haven't signed on cord much lately, but there's a doll-size noose hanging over the vt220, not for grads but a leftover from a plant hanging. Was it a himplant? Why aren't my spider plants having any spiders? Come, for tea, which circularly maps to eat(it). S>If we discussed only the music, we'd have a _really_ boring time S>between albums/tours... besides, for a lot of us, and not just S>me, other aspects of Sarah are important, her personality, etc. What, you ate kelp (sea per/iod?). But if you repeat the period you get an ellipsis, so c..., which I think has implications for the speed of lite. ALso probably E=Mcc would have to be modified for the coupled effect of the change in entropy (delta S), which lead to "the auld triangle, goes jingle jangle..." which leads to spools of thread and jingle bells??? What happened to the cockle shells? That's a rowing term, right? If not, think of the warming of the cockles of the heart. Oh, today on CBC Vickie Gabereau had some more ecto-ish Music West hangover types on, including The Wyrd Sisters, Three Sheets to the Wind (drunken or sailing term) and Doris Maison. The Three Sheets to the Wind (does the outhouse need patching, w.o. mitchell ref?) did a song that said "silver thread and golden ??? can't mend my heart" or something like that, so at the time, this afternoon, I said why not try some glue. And Ms. Mason was also very good, good voice and accent, another Nova Scottie's tough softie to watch for. (Cream me up, scottie. Uh oh, I'd better cease and desist, I feel it in my bones that I am treading on illogical ground here so someone must like having the ears nibbled, to a point?) S>>ergo, you are the homosexual lover of the internet S> S>[smack] I walked right into that one. Ha! And I seem to have had a thing for thespians but lately everythings been coming up spades, although not raining down roses just yet. I onder what Cpt. Picard would do? joke: what happens when lesbians get the joke? they les bi an s, but only with the proper french translator/interface. S>in general, while we're sitting over here roasting invertebrates Why not roast some nuts instead, even those of blue blood? I have some walnut and maple ice cream but it will be gone south soon, but need to get some fresh coffee for quests. S>over an open pit. I feel bad about this, but at the same S>time, I'm not the only one feeding the pig. So you did do the magic mushroom thing? Was it fun, and/or hairy. S>Tell that to Katie. and the sunshine band? But tan lines aren't always good since the sun can awaken certain sensitive cells in nipples/etc, although perhaps it isn't the (carcinogenic) damaging UV that does this but something else. So check out that rec.nude list of spots to tour, or try a heat lamp (or is it UVB or UVA that isn't bad?) S>>don't touch those pictures up in Playboy. S>Is that the reason you never see women that pretty in real life? S>:-) Of course you do, and looks are more than staged stillness, but the dance of movement and voice and mind and inexplicably shadowed forces beyond the ken of mortal. And of course a picture is rather scaled (down) and flat and doesn't smell too natural, and getting too attached to them isn't wise. I wonder what it would be like to have sex blindfolded? (I guess she could put a paper bag over my head or we could go spelunking in the dark in tandem, the second appeals a bit more.) And John, I think some of the online and other pictures of Sarah may have been touched up a bit too, with computer enhancement or makeup, she is, from my distant memory, much better looking and multi-faceted in person, although I still would tend to lend her my ear (f,romans,c) more than eyes, so maybe that neck cyst somehow smeared my impulses over the senses more than the average malemute. See the later scrambled discussion of weak/strong/em/gravity forces and orbital spin for more details. S>I know exactly where it leaves me: a pervert. I ain't proud of S>it. That isn't the point. But are you a perfect perfert, or a flexible one? S>My first girlfriend was _in_ the class with me during which we S>read MacBeth. Did she like your thumbs? And now I'm thinking of bubble physics again, sonoluminescence. Less dense regions in a body of liquid when subject to vibrations of a tuned nature can heat up to temperatures of coronal hole level. And beer has bubbles, subject to the Bernouilli effect. So I wonder if she drinks a bubbly drink before singing, if so it could be dangerous. :-) Now I'm wondering what Ovid would say about Vocal Cord Treatment For Ladies? But given the original poem, phase matching is the answer. S>Like I said, you're new here. In my world, _everything_ is S>Sarah-related. But everything is related. And those gravity dimples do the twist and shout. S>Any volunteers? chanticleer, of volant ear. S>From: dalton@geop.ubc.ca S>D>to the surface of the body. Also often women are S>D>much more sensual in their love-making (I guess), more S>D>curved, not as linear/one-track, many noded, hours S>D>upon hours of slow buildup, more after, non-arranged S>D>talk/encores instead of the old rollover, etc. ALthough too slow can be torture, it sometimes is better to keep the main set reasonable in length and then more encores are possible, even after a very quick passover if the stage hands know what they're up to. Why on the "Boots Are Made For Doffing" cover by the 4 itching babes that I put on my last compilation tape, they go off stage during a song but the audience drags them back to finish it, so they get too ovations, although the first is slightly longer, with very little gap compared to the usual encore procedures. But that has to be up to the stars in their sewing circles, I can only remember one true multiple orgasm in recent memory and it was when I was a touch high, I'll have to check my log for star chart details but it was in 95, I think the night of jan 4/5, before things went awry, my singing non-champagne glass somehow shattered and broken. So if the glass is full, of breast, and a singer can sing a vibrating but not breaking note, what? Is that patentable? S>The man has figured it out. I'm not repressing my homosexuality, S>I'm repressing the fact that I'm a lesbian in a man's body, So you should get together with a homosexual in a woman's body and/or a bridging bisexual in a body of your mutual choice? But it's not that simple, we are all multifaceted and mulicoloured gems, tuned to a different song, and the passion is in finding compatible musical partners in life and working through the best combinations in the time we have. What's a combination lach-vue? Oh my I just remember my last locker combination from 1985, when there was a fire in the tunnels and my badminton racquets got rather smoked but worked ok thereafter. But anyway, lach-vue is between chap-elle cove (chap eau?) hole-ey rood (north arm) and harbour mane, on the avalon. ??? S>and besides, women _do_ seem more sensual. Again, that must be a generalization, and maybe we men are not sensual since society expects us to be not sensual, so that probably with some practice the game will improve. But we will all still have our twists and handicaps, and every playing field and game has its own particualr nuances, which the opponents will no doubt take advantage of to get the upper hand, so maybe you won't ever pay o ff that student loan, unless you stick to the jackpot. S>D>Holy shit, if you can't love your own body, who else will? S> S>Good point. But on the other hand, what they say about guys with S>long posts, ain't always true... :-) It depends if the sensitive bits are up front, or in the middle, or at the rear, and whether the meat of the matter is properly cloaked. And guys with long posts are usually night people so they'd better watch out for vampeyers. S>You don't think this list is the therapy I need; It is part of it, but try to take things in smaller chunks, take a breath here and there, give the other parties a chance to respond, so it is less of a monologue. And of course onlion is only part of it, you also probably could do with some directed offline group therapy, where you are not in control of the direction, at least not all of the time. Or maybe things will improve with the tide. And sometimes it is ok to be silent and listen to what the other list members develop from your seeds, so that their noises can kickstart you in a new direction after a while. S>D>Sex or sex's sake is not nearly as good as sex for the S>D>sake (japanese rice wine) of both, sex with not an S> S>Although I'm sure a good deal of said rice wine might alter the S>experience somewhat, at least making your partner more S>attractive if they aren't already, etc. Actually the smell of some types of alcohol is not too attractive to some, especially if is not shared by both parties (Tori and a Library?). A little shared alcohol can lubricate the interfacing somewhat, but it has to be limited and spaced/timed properly. But I agree, if you get plastered the first time together, don't try to do anything much until morning (afternoon) shower/brunch time, except getting to know each other in the fore ways. Now that may not be as true for women (i.e., the orgasm intensity may not have the lopsided bell curve with alcohol but a different shape) so you guys may have to use your chording or picking or vocal apparatus, if you are aspiring towards musicianship. S>D>>Beyond this, there are still a lot of things about Sarah that I S>D>>don't know, such as her stand on abortion, politics in general, S>D>>etc. I can only hope whatever she believes, she believes for S>D>>reasons other than greed/hate/stupidity/etc. There are enough S>D>>bad people in the world, I'd hate to think one could masquerade S>D>>this long in such a beautiful (personalitywise) disguis You seem to think she is perfect or something, of course she isn't, she is not a pedestall type, is not a hairless barbie (Qed) doll, probably gets cranky at times and needs tlc (or, topically, thc?), in fact sometimes celebrities are so strained by keeping up the show for the media and fans that they end up taking out their stress on their families. (But in some cases the families naturally take the stress away.) I'm not saying that she's like that because I haven't really met her yet and am not going to go by anybody else's hearsay. She's just a young woman from Nova Scotia who has hit it big all of a sudden and I hope the fame will not strain and dim the flame. And Jane, I don't think she is a fake, fakirs don't turn me the right way, unless I've been even more severely fooled than I know I have been. S>Comments like "I love penises." But we've hashed through that S>one already. Corned beef hash, with fried green tomatoes? Oh, the Vax "fork us, lover worms". Now I know where that missing fork with the roses on it went, it must be under the table. But why are there only four tines, what about the big toe? Pickled in brian? S>D>And would you make such a S>D>big deal if Sarah was male; why does she have to be such S> S>If Sarah was male, I'd never have noticed her existence. I S>really like the female voice better than the male voice, Watch out for those who cast rations (turbot war ref) and the drag on those long trains. But yes, the lip size and shape and mouth depth and chest charcteristics do make for some unique vocal characteristics that a trained ear could distingush in most cases, even if there was a frequency shift filter. But, unlike you, I'd rather hear a "hi, man" than a hymen right now, even though I imagine the hymen is acoustically important in coupling the base chakra with powerful forces of nature early in life, and probably shields the virgin from malign forces (horny wizards and the like). So I suspect that I am actually more attracted to women who have had some practice in certain fields. S>Sarah's soul were to have come into a male body this time S>around, she'd still have become a musician, but in the unlikely S>event that I'd have heard said man's work, I'd not have been S>stirred one way or the other; remember this was Spring 1989, S>alongside Michael Penn and Ivan Lins. Who? Did they play piano/keys as well as swing? S>D>a shining untarnished Virgin Mary image for you? Get a S> S>If I want shining and untarnished, I'd stick with Enya. :-) (I S>mean, her music is certainly shining and untarnished, to the S>point of boredom.) I think I prefer unvarnished to untarnished (I guess that means not too much oil, and unvanishing, and rafishing). Did those knights in armour oil their gear? What's that about the bottom string, it's boring/dumb? Ouch! S>I once idolized Pete Townshend, but after all the drugs he's S>done, the weird shit, the groupies, the bisexuality, all that's S>left to idolize is the music, and well, he said he'd die before S>he got old, and didn't. Maybe he bought some blue disposable contax? Whatever, it didn't do him much good in the long run. S>From: csoricel@cc.brynmawr.edu S>C>Would you expect anything less stereotypical or more well thought-out from S>C>our S>C>list-baiter? Would you expect restraint from an octopus?!? S>C>Self-censorship from a paranoid delusion? S> S>My problem is still that I _am_ somewhat homophobic. I guess one root of that in many men is that they are afraid of getting hit on, which isn't really that bad since you can just tactfully decline, and it helps you to learn to accept rejection yourself. And after all, the more homosexuals there are, the better the ratio of heterosexual/bisexual guys to heterosexual/bisexual is (really it's more of a continuum, not just dark and light but shades of gray as Marie Lynn Hammond says). The other reason for some is that we have gone so long without a relationship that elders and friends would start to worry about them or non-friends to point fingers if we didn't act homophobic, so the stigma is self-perpetuating and pack driven, but the dam will fall one day, from the trickle plugged by a little finger and growing to a river of openness. It is hard to shake off old habits, but in a generation I bet things will be much better. For now, let them go their own way and they'll leave you alone too, but maybe eventually the natural underpinnings of the system will be more evident, in this time of changes. S>Sarah is, as Meredith Tarr's signature once said, "a throwback S>to the days when female musicians weren't expected to talk like S>truck drivers." I bet she can talk dirty when she feels like it, just look at the Chat session and some interviews. But I wonder if she'll ever put some bad words in her songs other than bullseyed. S>She's one of the most wholesome women in the S>business, Yes, much better than Courtney Love, although I'm sure Love will turn around. S>and still creates the finest music around. I'd love to S>be able to look to her and say "See? You don't have to be weird S>to be creative!" I wish she didn't drink, partly for the damage S>she's doing to her liver, Many studies have shown a beneficial effect of alcohol on heart action in moderation, although I recommend not consuming on an empty stomach or too close to bed time. Also the effect on the vocal chords must be considered, some drinks have a drying action, and could conceivably lead to vocal chord hemorraghing (sp?) so should be spaced appropriately in consideration of performance and practice times. (I also heard that during menstruation such vocal chord hemorraging is more likely, but bet that it could be avoided by making sure not to get dehydrated, and also by massage/gentle warmup to get the stress out so that the vocal cords are not too tight and brittle.) S>and partly because I'd like proof that S>all musicians aren't drinkers. I wish she wasn't sexually S>active, partly because I want to be able to apply "Ice Cream" I have some maple and walnut Lucerne ice cream left, going fast, soon it will all be in me. S>Sarah's said she isn't on drugs, this is one major thing to S>which I can look to her as exemplary. My artwork sometimes looks S>like it's drug-influenced; so does hers. That neither of us is S>on chemicals is proof to me that I'm not nearly as insane as I S>sometimes think. See what I mean?` She said she isn't, but that doesn't cover the past, so maybe she has left some colored magic carpet theads behind? But hasn't everybody? Sometimes they come back to hunt you though, eh. S>Exactly. And having sex with people that you do not know is S>immoral, dangerous, and I do _not_ approve of it. But sex is one way of getting to know someone better, ideally after some warmups, and in parrallel process with other methods, so you don't get the old "become a freind and then not fuck because the space between you has gotten fearful" thingie or the "fuck me till i'm blind ... oh, i don't really like you so lets just be friends........." thingie. S>joined 'em together, and ran the finished .wavs through Play16 S>(available from Aminet, and to those who recommended it, thanks) S>and spent the next couple minutes in ecstasy. I had to pull over the sound converter SOX to convert the WAV files to AU files, then used audiotool in openwindows (i usually use tvtwm) to play them on mantle and cat > /dev/audio to play on an external speaker on explo, at 3:33 a.m., they are much smaller in AU form, but the sound quality of the speakers wasn't too good. Still on explo the o canada sent a nice wave through me, which I thought about some more after 4 at home. But in hockey there is no guard, only centre, wingers, and defense, and the goalie clad in mask and pads. S>"hoo hoo hoo hoo..." to which Sarah replied, "They're doing that S>Arsenio Hall thing... hasn't he been cancelled?" isn't it woo woo woo, woo woo woo; or woo woo, woo woo, woo woo. Or maybe it is just wooo wooo mooo. S>I saw this and said "Huh?" but then I noticed the messages have S>been getting to the digest in not-exactly-chronological order... Yes, the d jests occasionally, but cannot time travel alone. And the travel time is related to the slowness, p, which when capitalized becomes Par(i)ty, and the product of Charge parity (C), Space parity (P), and Time parity (T) is suspected to be conserved in the weak nuclear interaction force, which of course plays an important role in the turbulent layer between the repulsive EM forces and strong nuclear attractive forces (gluons). This can be analogous to gravitational chaotic instability regions in a three-body system, which make theories of lunar capture a bit shaky, there's a fine line between capture, slingshotting/separation and catastrophic collision/merger. So there can be a distant attraction, then a mid-zone of uncertainty or even fear/repulsion, but then when the close approach zone is definitely breached there is the strong attractor force. But any repulsion ray can be avoided by doing a twist into hyperspace. For examples, check out the papers in the May issue of Physics Today on the Physics of Baseball, by Robert Adair, and one on Controlloing Chaoes, by Edward Ott and Mark Spano, in Maryland, which has examples from heart tissue arrhythmias to communications to cometary encounters. Now before I wrote this sentence and (will) add(ed) my .sig this message was 20595 bytes long, uncompressed, which sort of jives with the 955 at the end of my Visa and the 519 at the start of my MasterCard and also my BC Tel account number. So what does that have to do with the price of rye in saskatchewan? And when is the third quarter of the financial year anyway? I wonder how long this will be when bounced back by the kistserv and compressed or gzipped? Now it is 21359 bytes long. That was before the second try, now here's some more stuff extracted from a private e-mail, a few twisted lyrics : Album: Touch there must be a whey out for me up and down, these pressed in velvet balls, lake fuck us, river foams your touch is coiled and "damn the devil"'s in your eyes the ignore-ance in the midst of others is easier to redeem instrumental touch the saint, the kind that always lasts black reins falling down like sea lengths for a crow instrumental Uphill Battle Hear the cry for new life, the morning's flame blows a warm wind Full Length Recording: Solace in the smelly violet dawn another lay is born into the night, I yarn for comfort...i will feed the fier milk and honey though your "come, it meant" to most would offend, and this time it is the ent and I will oh I will not forget you, nor will I ever let you (not come) some paddies waited on mice, hello holly and you have felt the ear growing inside Oh I've seen a party, people that I never knew were there if i tried me a river of all my confections...at Mersea aRe the key For you were weighed down by your home fries But I hold on to hard too on lee a mammory CD:FTE (re-order for FS?) listen as the wind blows from across the sheet divide pressed up against the glasses, found myself wanting contax I wood knot let myself believe that you might s-tray you're so much more than good enough... With trembling hands she reaches up, a (4e)st ranger's flesh is offered the mole that clings like desperation, i believe; would you try two under stand can't you see that it's you and the wine dew, 'shining some intense tea love the light that brings a smisle across your face, heard lik hello everyone here knows how to fry (or steam) wind in time, drops the flower seedling on our fertile soil, trees to shelter it All the fire has left me now, I'm not fry tent anymore ... There's an ent two the dark coz there's someone in here, someone lick me D D ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 new sent byte count: 25022 Message fte:385 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 1:45:10 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:385 Subject: Re:cheiftons Andrew Brown wrote: >Not sure, but did anyone else who saw this performance find it more than >a little strange? It didn't look very well-rehearsed, and to be honest >Van Morrison looked as though he was on something, especially towards the >end when he clocked Sinead O'Conner with the mike. I don't really see how >this could be a typical Chieftans performance, however, as they were >basically a back-up band during the song. Comments? Well, aren't most bands supposed to be a back-up band during a song, to the lead singer, except for the brief solo interludes that are arranged or improvised, probably not on a short TV segment though. And maybe his timing was off under the bright lights so he had to rush the pass too much, or did you mean he timed her? Also I was wondering today why microphones are shaped like a icecream cone instead of a satellite dish. Probably they are more durable that way and the receptor inside the nut case is indead more concave. And I think I still like the Lion and the Cobra the best, count e down (edcba) well, that's not ascii. David p.s. re: chiefton, in the Quick and the Dead, does Sharon Stone ride high or sidesaddle, does she strap on her gun(s) outside on her hips or derringers inside her vest? Do horse riders get bowlegged like drunken sailors? And when the fire people slide down the pole or trapeze artists down the rope inside the big tent, which foot is on top? That may depend on the spirals in the rope or something. Message fte:386 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 2:05:01 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9505180853.AA00909@taliesin.esdtcom.wednet.edu> Message-ID: fte:386 Subject: Re:The Chieftans, Sinead...and Bozo! (was cheiftons) Taliesin wrote: >Anyway, despite last night's charades, I still anticipate Sarah doing a >helluva number if the Chieftans provide backup, that is unless Van M. decides >to show up for a Moon Dance! ;-> Doesn't Van play a mean saxophone too? And the moon is coming up to the second (reverse) D, which means it's been a dolby moon (D+rev(D))=dolby symbol on the cassettes. Do Re Mi Fa..........rt? :-) David D (companion to our D-moons) so I don't have too much of a spare tire but perhaps can still get a grip somehow, the endless tease of the goddesses of the cosmos has just drained the fear right out of me (maybe). [i.e. after september/new year's/valentine's, i figure it is another "cry wolf" or carrot on a stick that will fade or the like so am not holding on to too many big hopes just yet.] This is getting out of hand so I will try to keep it sweet from now on, and/or off the list. Oh, back on topic, the chieftains are best known for fiery instrumentals, jigs/reels/hornpipes/etc, where I guess r'eels is short for roundheels which I prefer to the old spike unless it's the beach volleyball type, and I musn't have roundheels unless they are very hot since most of my sport socks have holes in the heel and big toe area. And I had a good yoga tonight which has corrected me a bit from my ways of last night, removing some of the talk and perhaps putting in more action. So how do 9 get to heaven? :-) Wait, that doesn't rhyme, so how do 11 get to heaven? Oh, may as well make it a round dozen, till the levy breaks. 1-2, buckle your shoe, 3-4,... Seriouly, I don't think i've _really_ had mono yet, or _really_ cheerio in stereo, just practice. Oh well, time to get off this stage. D -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:387 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 3:00:06 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:387 Subject: re-sent truncated post My bounce copy was truncated so I re-sent the post below: -------------------------------------------------------------- Delivery-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 2:43:19 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: fte-unread:62 Message-ID: fte-unread:70 Subject: Re:into the fire, the first time Chris G wrote: > I didn't hear much of her back then, other than this one song of hers >that I heard a few times on the radio (into the fire), and some video I saw >(for which song, I don't remember) where all I recall is her covered in mud. >(???) I think that is Drawn to the Rhythm, from the soundtrack of The Swamp Thing, and are you sure it was a mud pack? It could have been chocolate milk or perhaps wild oatmeal with chocolate chips put in (actually that is probably best in Cookies, in hot cereal the chips are best added after the milk). She does have Scottish blood I think and thus oatmeal would be the obvious beauty treatment, not mud (I haven't tried m.u.d. yet, oh wait i did once but it was sort of ho(o)key, or i didn't quite have the hand of it. Is there a m.u.d. for ecto, or is that a mush? I stick to talk myself, maybe mtalk at the best if I compile it since it isn't installed on the GandA lan yet.) I wonder what her tartan and crest are? My crest has a rather skinny sinuous dancing lion on it, and I partial moon, and I think five trefoils in a ring (overlapped? if the trefoils link arms, that looks like pick-up-monkeys in a ring. > In any case, as I more recently submerged myself in her music, I tried Touch again today, and my adaptor failed again, but I got most of it, the CD faded well into the extended remix of Vox. Guess I'll have to get my home player repaired, or get out the soldering iron, or buy a new adaptor, before playing any CDS. >song called "Nobody's Diary", I think: "My head was so full of things to say, >but as I opened my mouth, all my words slipped away." I said something like, >"I really like your music," and like, repeated it about 3 times! So much for >deep talk, huh? 3 times! But were they all in a row, like silver bells and cockle shells, or spread out through a longer conversation with gaps or softer (i love you, sarah) type stuff mixed in? Cause if it a really long conversation then I bet you could say it many times, whereas if you repeat it twice in succession without much gap they might look at you strangely. It's sort of like the pass on the relay team, a fumble causes minor delays which add up for the anchor, but in conversation such chnages of direction are desirable. The long conversation bit reminds me of that 5-star halifax hotel (not really, it was cheap but cosy) or the hot summer of the magnificent seven (was Nobody in that movie, or Sharon Stone?). Oh well, enough of the dirty laundry of the past (which reminds me, in that book on Eve/Bridgett/Mary there is a story about the woman who by washing her laundry in a monks' well caused the well to dry up, I wonder if the folk publication Dirty Linen is named after that propaganda?) But to cure the problem, just let the conversation flow, don't force things, and let her direct the flow a goodly bit. Sometimes the flow will be fast, furious and long but thin and not lasting, other times it will get stickier and deeper, not going as far at one conversation session but holding on in the long term (so i hope i never get my student loan and that this term never ends, in the right way). It's sort of the difference between cheap ice cream in a big bucket and the denser/stickier stuff that you like to savour. And I finished all my sunflower seeds tonight but haven't eaten the maple walnut icecream yet, will do that right before bed. > Anyhow, enough blabbing. It looks really nice outside, so I gotta go >check this day out! Yeah, I'd better get home soon, or it will be dawn again, and there's a 10 a.m. seminar by A. Weglein (looks like leg-wine) that I don't know if I'll make. It is on Born series applied to reducing internal acoustic multiples, or somethings like that. It probably discusses iteration and convergence. David Message fte:388 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 3:06:32 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:388 Subject: chieftains For those disappointed with the chieftains performance on letterman, check out recent (in the last 100) posts on rec.music.celtic which say it was awful, this from big fans of the chieftains, 'twould be like someone on this list saying sarah was bad. It looks as though S.O'C came off the best, but I assure you Van the man and the Chieftains are capable of much better. David does anyone play button accordion in the chieftains? "auntie mary, had a canary, up the leg of her drawers, the canary said, to the worm, come in and have some tea..." Message fte:389 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:25:39 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <2FBCA39F@hubsmp1.pcmail.ingr.com> Message-ID: fte:389 Subject: Re: into the fire, the first time Chris G initiated the thread with: >>> I didn't hear much of her back then, other than this one song of hers >>>that I heard a few times on the radio (into the fire), and some video I saw >>>(for which song, I don't remember) where all I recall is her covered in mud. David Dlaton wrote: >>I think that is Drawn to the Rhythm, and are you sure it was >>a mud pack? It could have been chocolate milk or perhaps Doug Bailey corrected this with: >Nope, it was Into the Fire. I saw the video when she hosted 120 Minutes. >She gets the mud rinsed off in a waterfall... Oh yeah, guess you're right, but there are no waterfalls at UBC so someone must have been holding the nozzle, right? I haven't seen it yet, but it reminds me of a waterfall in Quebec not too far from that famous shrine, which I visited as part of a group trip in the spring of 1978, in which year I got around a lot (Quebec, Burin Peninsula/Miquelon, Stephenville/Bay St. George/Codroy/Grosmorne). Old quebec city, inside the walls, was nice, I got my fleur de lys there and visiting some fun novelty shops, picking up a deck of marked cards that I used a bit in Miquelon. Fog caused us to bus through New Brunswick on the way back but I don't think I entered Nova Scotia until spring 1980. ALso, I've never been to Churchill Falls yet, but remember a cooking EA from Church Hill (or was that Cathedral Street). (ea is a word for river that is in the big oxford, i think, but not the scrabble dictionary). Oh, to BE(e) EA, then nobody could SUe me for twisted lyrics, right? Oh well, I'd better get back to being a rhodes warrior, with a cool lee,say 2 degrees below zero, which can smart and lead to ice cream roughening formation which links with the Dylan Thomas story I just mentioned on ecto. Oh well, I'll :-) :-) :-) ...? (What's a pre-mom syndrome? Are moms safe from the silly wizard too? What happens with the virgin moms who lik-ed wild turkey in the straw. Oh well, I'd better keep on tipping and donating to charities and especially buskers. Right now I don't feel too safe from anyone, I need my coat of arms, and Saturday is Armed Forces Day and begins at midknight, and I gave away my last quarter today but not to the first musician I saw, which reminds me of Robert Minden and his saw, who was the guy who he learned saw from? Was his PaTrish, eh? Oh no, this is getting out of carriage again. D.R. Dalton -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:390 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 20 May 1995 20:58:54 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950520025922_125415132@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:390 Subject: Re: the mud video!!!! Cedric wrote: >>>>the mud video is,Into the fire... It's on spotlight at the Sears where I >work... every two hours the video comes on <<<<, Is that all? And is that on average? Lois replied: >I wouldn't have expected Sears to run the video, but that's cool that they >do. It is an awesome, but kind of eerie, video - how 'bout those soft gasps >she makes and that "freaked out" look she gives from behind the waterfall? Now you have me intrigued, I will have to stop being blind to her videos and when the compilation comes out pick it up, since that seems to be coming rather slowly, by that time I should have the third degree and a hot VCR. But wait, if I had a Ph.D. then that would give me 6 names instead of five, not counting the title. So maybe I'll stick to David Raymond Dalton B.Sc(H), M.Sc., there's no S in Ph.D. So what's with the third degree? Do George (film god) and Gracie know? David D -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:391 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 20 May 1995 21:57:20 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:391 Subject: obsession or love? OK, I'm willing to directly admit to you, my fan support group, that I am madly in love with Sarah McLachlan, and the best and quickest way to end this obsession is to get her to tell me to F.O.A.D., and then it will probably fade, so it isn't worse than first degree. Once that happens I would have to bury myself in my thesis and/or get involved with someone else. Lately I've been like a sun worshipper, in looking for signs of her is all the faces and all the places, but still doing my conscious and subconscious best to avoid the real issue. (I've always sneezed at the sun.) All the recent innuendo about group sex (I even dipped into alt.polyamory, which is unlike swinging since it has more of the romantic overtones as well as the sex, but haven't reread my Anais Nin yet, wonder what Venus is doing) and various positions were because I don't know what is up with her and hers, and was misreading the signs or getting confused by my own little white lies. I figured she is already involved with somebody else and am not a breakup sort of guy (although I should break up my face with a smile more often, I would except that I have to act normal and avoid the white coats). Also early on I had trouble deciding between two women friends (and hence missed both) and (well after that) one of my earliest sexual experiences was with two women. So from that grew the stuff about the troy/tree-o/etc, which is obviously a load of b.s., really it is some crossed signals in my dreams due to the fact that there is more that one side to a well-rounded woman. If you have any advice, keep it off the list, and I will do the same from now on. David Message fte:392 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 20 May 1995 22:14:15 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:392 Subject: deux beer, my dear After last night, and some thoughts on Good Enough, I think I made a typo in the shuffle demons quote "12 beer, my dear". Obviously this is a bad french, so it could be "2 beer, my dear". (deux pronounced like douze). Or if some of the beer are near beer (what's that in french?) it could be "1.2 beer, my dear" (1 blue and two .5's?) or a sleeve (1.2*12 oz) of Guinness. Oh well, I guess I'll go work on some gas location technology. D. Message fte:393 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 22 May 1995 2:23:37 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:393 Subject: love comes to town, kiss beach, buttercups . Hi everyone; I just wanted to let you know that I am in better spirits (not CC) tonight, have gone 2.4 days without a beer, am sticking to my lithium, and have sort of given up on making any fumbling romantic approaches to my favourite bluenose, she can remain a distant decent soul, a musical mentor to my midnight mudpie posts, unless the sky falls or something (I used to be lucky at bingo when small but never at 649). Last night after I got home I went down to Kits beach for a stroll, after placing my Seagull playing card crescent moon joker in the crook of the tree outside my place. At the beach, the tide was near high but not quite, and I walked along, gave my flattened chickenheart stone to the sea, dropped my old gold-coloured games arcade (funhouse villa) token (with a BC macintosh 4153 sticker on it) into a piece of fairly new driftwood (not too dry) that had a hole in it. Then I wandered past several fires (no peace for the wicked, even at 3 a.m.) to the sunflower sunday concert place, where the Vancouver Children's Festival tents were partly set up but not yet secured by a fence (a security guard warned me not to go in the tents but I did walk through a small open four-legged one when almost off the grounds). Then I sat with my back to the maple tree just before the beach volleyball courts, and then went off home to get there at 3:30. Tonight I went by the WISE earlier, to find it was closed, but that a ring of buttercups (used for tickling under the chin) had sprung up where once I had attempted to will a dead plant back to life (I bet a rose of some sort). I plucked one of them and on the way to the UBC bus dropped it in the wide slot of a red Canada Post mailbox. But the post office doesn't open until Tuesday, and my supervisor will be back by then, and I have a softball game hence will miss my pool tournament although may still show up at Koerner's later on for euchre lesson and some apres-tournement pool. No hiking, though. What are some ways to make labour quicker? I'll have to go check out misc.kids.pregnancy for some analogies. Hercules never had it so rough! Time for a haircut soon too, but no Delilah in sight. This calendar is turning into a torture wheel, with no sweet end in sight or reach. What to do? I'll have to ask my MDA support group Monday evening at my place. By now you must know that my cd players are out-of-order (ooo) so I haven't been playing any S-CDs lately, although I did look at the inside picture on the FTE liner notes today, is that available anywhere online? Oh, and when I get down, I find I can cheer myself up just by reading some of my old posts and finding new stuff in them. For instance, Victoria was born on a Monday, but there were a couple of important Tuesdays as well, including one I said was a Wednesday. But Wednesday after midnight is Thursday which might be a good time to get hammered on near beer, in which year? Seriously speaking, I give up, cry uncle, full stop, but I want a milkshake, does Benny's have them? If not then the Naam or Vineyard or Calhoun's or Bino's might, I don't have a blender, just two whisks (big and little). David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:394 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 22 May 1995 2:35:10 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:394 Subject: lifesaver I had two lifesavers left and Rob Luzitano came in and accepted the cherry one so the orange one was my last lifesaver, although I guess behind the oj one is the wrapper. Is there such a thing as an orange birthmark? What rhymes with orange? When you are a poet such things are flexible, so orange --> 0-range (not challenger o-rings) --> O-Lange so does Jessica Lange have a relative whose name starts with O? Orville Redenbacher Lange? But I suspect that there may be some Anglican in my mix, after all, CBS and CBN are Anglican, CBC is Catholic. But what do buttercups have to do with popcorn? It must be related to the bees knees, mine aren't too kissable but the backs of some are like the tracks, that need crossing, to the other sidhe. (actually I meant flange) Consider this as out-of-order so that the full stop applies. DD Message fte:395 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 23 May 1995 16:40:58 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:395 Subject: bst:two four tuesday? I've decided that all of my writings in the last good while have been bullshit, and must now do my best to forget them, and forget the "broken english" filters or at least be able to ignore them. Any suggestions on overcoming this twisted lingo addiction? (Marianne Faithful sung "Broken English", now I'll have to listen to Faith Nylon? Anyway, today an hour of tanning and a haircut have helped, plus a day or two ago I ran out of the april "Shampoo Planet" shampoo, but still have slightly warped conditioner. Also my CD players are busted so I am suffering withdrawal symptoms from Sarah. Help! Love and hugs; David Message fte:396 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:36:27 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:396 Subject: BST: root beer While I was eating a slice of vegie pizza and some root beer, I just noticed in my green daytimer that today (two for Tuesday) is the 143rd day of the year, so there are 222 days left in the year. At midnight the 144th day of the year will begin, and the square root (beer) of 144 is 12, and I've always been rather square. How did Groundhog Day end, and is there an April Fool sequel? And for non-Canadians on the list, Queen Victoria was born at 4:15 a.m. (GMT?) May 24, 1819, which in Vancouver (PDT=GMT-7hrs) time would be 9:15 p.m. May 23 so I will celebrate tonight at the pool tournament at Koerner's pub (probably with some stupid but meaningful shot on the table or in euchre) and after that try to concentrate on more mundane matters, like summer love or (more likely) the lack thereof, as usual. Last night I made some minor progress on the thesis, it turned out that I wasn't padding the matrix with 0's before doing the fft. And Mike, I do see a shrink, but maybe not the right one, and will look into the matter soon, for now will watch my beer intake now, stay off it altogether from tomorrow night until a few days after new moon, and even take, as a last resort, a few mg of haldol to knock me down and out. Right now it isn't too bad but if it keeps up it will add up like chinese water torture, or like a bad punster roommate who won't give it up only the roommate is everywhere. Still, I am developing my blinkers/shades again and hope to taper out of this very mild low level sensitive state gradually in the next short while. Now I'm off to play pool, missed my softball today (we were supposed to play the Chianti Winers). What was the first song that Sarah ever wrote? Is it Vox? Or a song not on her Nettwerk recordings? I think some live music is the antidote for what ails me but doubt I'll get it tonight so may check out the treehouse thingie WEd night, although lately I may end up in hermit mode instead. In all of the above there is no pun intended, no deceiving, I need the cure, and the cure is love. If I've led you astray like a pied piper, I was just a tool, and seem to be in deeper trouble than the rest of you, so forgive me, even if you don't know what the hell I'm talking about. (no intentional punning in that either) DDalton Message fte:397 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 24 May 1995 1:37:29 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:397 Subject: bst: Victor's Victrola? OK, I'm completly drunk (let's say close to 8 glasses of beer or equivalent tonight, actually it feels like more, plus the nearly three glasses of beer on friday after the 12 beer my dear remark) so I probably have had the requisite 12 (10 oz Glasses) of beer my dear since that stupid remark, although not quite the usual gross (12*12 oz) beer, which I intend to fulfill (and probably more) tomorrow night at the tree house or equivalent. Anyway, I can't wait for June, whoever she is, plus tonight my pool game seemed to indicate that an even number was nice (althoughj whether that includes me or not I have no fucking idea) and in the euchre game I forgot to deal with the stupid opposite jack, whatever that means. But anyway, I can't hold on too much longer. (I think the goddesses have warned me off their territory once again, now I need protection to keep me safely away, if I dabble with them they will burn me, but they have taught me some nice tricks, I hope, as long as it lasts.) Anyway, I am off home(?> alone to fiddle with my sony portable cd adaptor and try to invoke the talisman of sarah's vibes. If anybody has any kind words I will more than make it up to you but speak now or forver hold your peace. Oh shit, this spring loaded glass is draining all the fear out of me, except the fear of being alone. [My glasses are supposedly spring loaded but the left lens pops out far too often and is my weak eye. :-) ] And list, I'll have a list going home tonight. David Raymond Dalton! p.s. I would love even a sisterly hug from Sarah right now, so I guess I'd better get working on that adaptor, and get some sleep. (in geophysics, p=slowness=1/velocity, related to tau, not toe!) 10*e=27.18=> sarah was 10*e years old on March 7, 7.7 hours after her birth time. and she will be (1+7.77)*pi years old on (wow) approximately the summer solstice! Wow, I don't have numbers anywhere nearly that nice, the closest I can see is that I will be 30+sqrt(2) years old on the solstice, oh wait that is 10pi years too. Or 11.559371*e. So she has much nicer numbers than me, and besides it is two fortnights to the summer solstice, and who said even numbers aren't lucky, so there!! But I know, joy is forbidden, damn those reels!!!! But I think some reels are four-handed, which means for louvres; after all I did my first double-all-nighter when I was 20. full stop. xox. -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:398 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 24 May 1995 1:47:52 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:398 Subject: I believe I believe... For a day or so I was thinking that Sarah was a two-four, but now I believe that she is a two-four+3, and will hold on to that unless she tells me differently, electronically or not . (Besides, those stellar bodies have a mysterious way of not being consumed as fast as you would normally consider, maybe time slows down or something; oh no I 'm getting on shaky ground here so I's the b'y who's better go on home, tail hanging low.) What is that peace+love+happiness symbol again? d Message fte:399 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 24 May 1995 21:56:17 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: "Dave J. O'Toole" , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:399 Subject: Re:moonlight in the mist Hi Dave; you wrote: >This message showed up at my site with nothing in it. The subject line >intrigued me and given the creative mode you've been in lately Actually, far from it, I'm just in a shaky/moping/self-healing/cautious mode these days, wondering if the sky will fall on me, but know the creativity is still there, so maybe I will get back to writing some good blarney or poetic fragments again soon, but with more of a grain of salt/less intended seriousness in future. >I'd like to >read the contents. If you still have it around, could you send it to me? Actually it was a bit of a boo-boo, I started to write something and changed my mind but instead of deleting it sent it by mistake. But at the time I was feeling alone/sorry for myself and Sad CLown appealed to me, but since then things have improved a bit. Plus with the current Vancouver weather, rain or mist is unlikely for a while, unless the mist is of the shower or sprinkler sort. And the moon will be new soon, and then the only moonlight will be of the two-cheeked sort. :-) (Imagine if one of those orange-ish tanning agents had some fluorescent stuff built in.) And new moon is after midnight Sunday night/Monday morning I think, and I've always done my time windows centred, so I think I will celebrate new moon from five days before new moon to five days after, or maybe (e.g.) 50,000 days after for this one. How does that song go, "new moon on monday..."? As far as I'm concerned, today is monday in some calendar. DavidD "weaving softer than a sigh... I'm all aloe" Message fte:400 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 26 May 1995 1:59:08 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:400 Subject: Touch a backing truck? Hi all; Just wanted to let you know my mood is hunky-dory, and the recent cosmic lessons have dropped off to a bearable level, for me anyway. Last night I finally got smart and dug out my Sony portable CD player battery adaptor (that lets me use two AA Dynacharge cells instead of the rechargeble battery pack). Anyway, I stuck on FTE first, since that is her most recently recorded stuff, then today stuck on Touch. Has anybody else noticed the beeping sound on the extended version of Vox, that sounds a bit like a backing truck? When I get homw tonight I will put on Solace or FS (probably Solace) and then before heading off in the morning will put on FS, to fully recharge my sarah sensors (ears). But I sure wish she was playing live soon, guess I'll have to organize a benefit! Dave D. Message fte:401 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 26 May 1995 17:35:34 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199505261834.EAA11491@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: fte:401 Subject: Re:Sarah in a single sentence Sarah in a single sentence? Well, it would have to be a very long run-on sentence. Mark wrote: >Here's one for you to contemplate over the holiday weekend - how would >you answer the question "What kind of music does Sarah McLachlan play?". That's a hard one, I don't lik labels, but will give it a stab: Her music is passionate, poetic, dream-resonant, stirring, lyrics that strike chords in the heart, a voice that invokes the power within us all, arrangements to showcase that voice, and a group of backing musicians that lift her up, a new electroacoustic folk star bringing kitchen music warmth to the largest crowds. Hmmm, that's not good enough (although her music sure is) so maybe I'll try again later after an undetermined quantity of beer. But I guess I'll miss the red sunset if I get wrecked, or is that the sunrise? What's a leaf sentence? DD Message fte:402 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 29 May 1995 0:10:22 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:402 Subject: bye (for a while?) I'm going to take a break from the list, since the joy and creative juices are kind of dry or frozen, and for other reasons. So if you need to reach me, get me directly. I may rejoin when the tour starts up again, depending on what is happening in my life and research. David p.s. have a good new moon, which I think is at 2:27 PDT tonight, so there may be a bit of a horn when it rises just before dawn. I wonder if there will be any beach fires tonight? But I was going to get up early! Message fte:403 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 29 May 1995 13:10:15 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:403 Subject: correction I said the moon would rise just before dawn, of course it rose after dawn, and the first horn will set just after sunset, I think, although it probably won't be visible from down here. But envisage a blue sliver of moon just visible in the tail end of the red sunset. (I'm still off the list, now I promise!) David Message fte:404 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 18 May 1995 1:30:20 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: galamari Message-ID: fte:404 Subject: druplication Sorry for the duplication, I hadn't gotten a bounce after a fair delay, and the message was fairly long (half as long as yours but with much less quoited material) so I figured I would send it to you directly and worry about the list copy tomorrow. But lo and behold, seconds after I pressed return to send you the forwarded copy the list bounce arrived. So it looks as though some on the list will get it before you, some after, and only you get it more than once, unless the speed of light is surpassed so that like superman the riverboat on the river of time defies causality and ... guess what I really mean, it depends on the flaky listserv, unless we are on majordomo by now, if Andrew, the captain of the list, has his act together. Now that's a long sentence so I must be off home to finish off my extra spicy vegan fried rice in order to be strong tomorrow. I attach a few twisted lyrics but will probably fine tune them before posting them to the list if ever. It already took me far too long, it's 1:28 a.m. and I haven't had my daily evening dose of food, music and I guess lithium. I wonder who's playing the hangover? Too late for tonight though. But my thesis supervisor is away until Tuesday, I think, so I will probably heat up the plasstic a little (or try to bring my thesis to a pinhead some other time?). But as usual I'm aimless and blind in the dark ahead and will have to grope my way out somehow, with 2-N(t) keys. But wait, N is a Neumann function, pronounced 'noy man but looks like new man. Spot on. .. Oh well, ginger garlic tofu morning breath ahead. WOnder what I'll distill for the list from this crampon post. D D ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- big rolling stones say...i have to turn my head until my darkness goes. Album: Touch there must be a whey out for me up and down, these pressed in velvet balls, lake fuck us, river foams your touch is coiled and "damn the devil"'s in your eyes the ignore-ance in the midst of others is easier to redeem instrumental touch the saint, the kind that always lasts black reins falling down like sea lengths for a crow instrumental Uphill Battle Hear the cry for new life, the morning's flame blows a warm wind Full Length Recording: Solace in the smelly violet dawn another lay is born into the night, I yarn for comfort...i will feed the fier milk and honey though your "come, it meant" to most would offend, and this time it is the ent and I will oh I will not forget you, nor will I ever let you (not come) some paddies waited on mice, hello holly and you have felt the ear growing inside Oh I've seen a party, people that I never knew were there if i tried me a river of all my confections...at Mersea aRe the key For you were weighed down by your home fries But I hold on to hard too on lee a mammory CD:FTE (re-order for FS?) listen as the wind blows from across the sheet divide pressed up against the glasses, found myself wanting contax I wood knot let myself believe that you might s-troy you're so much more than good enough... With trembling hands she reaches up, a (4e)st ranger's flesh is offered the mole that clings like desperation, i believe; would you try two under stand can't you see that it's you and the wine dew, 'shining some intense tea love the light that brings a smisle across your face, heard lik hello everyone here knows how to fry (or steam) wind in time, drops the flower seedling on our fertile soil, trees to shelter it All the fire has left me now, I'm not fry tent anymore ... There's an ent two the dark coz there's someone in here, someone lick me Message fte:405 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 1:24:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:405 Subject: Jewel's guitar Sometimes when layers of varnish are put on too quickly or thickly the accumulated laminate will become brittle and crack, which shouldn't matter at all if it is at a clamped acoustic node but which might add subtle characteristics to the tone if it is allowed to move and act as a secondary line source. But yes, Jewel is a hell of a fingerpicker for her age, she must have started young, maybe there isn't much else to do in alaska. Also maybe the finish crack runs against the grain of the wood so is less likely to tranmit into the wood. If it was parallel to the bridge then it wouldn't focus the surface waves as well, depending on the curvature, thickness and properties of the wood in between. This may be hard to compute without the use of saddle point asymptotic ray techniques. But that opens wide a whole new can of worms, and my math skills aren't riding too high at the moment, so above I'm just spreading it. Maybe I could do better with my books, under pressure. You know, a guitar breathes! ================== David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:406 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:58:17 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199505191222.IAA23885@ns2.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: fte:406 Subject: Re:Cracks in the primrose bangpath and other stories Mitch Pravatiner wrote: >WRT spring music: Amid all the other stresses of the moment, I forgot to >mention yesterday that the very first number to hit my consciousness after >reading Amy's initial call for examples was "The Lusty Month of May," from >the musical "Camelot." That reminds me of the tune "Rocky Road to Dublin", which begins "In the merry month of may, mary mack..." >Having been informed that it's the fistula in Jewel's guitar that makes it >such a conversation piece, I started wondering whether someone's idea of a >cheap publicity stunt will be to have her do a concert at the Liberty >Bell? Well, she is tres belle (maybe not quite super belle though) so I bet she would go over well. But with the wrong tones the bell and guitar might get in resonance and things would get out of hand. (I would what the three musketeers would do if there wasn't a two for one sale?) The bell reference reminds me of the Dylan Thomas story A Prospect of the Sea, although he didn't mention a piercing. >When will I think of something to write in these pages that I don't feel >constrained to follow with a smiley? Oh when time unfolds and the dragon gets its tail? Right now I feel that we are on Jan 6 and running backwards but at an accelerated rate (like rollerblader with a round heel going backwards down the hill mentioned in the story above, probably aFlame with fear) so the year should wrap itself up and reboot nicely shortly. :-? >WRT MJM on the cancellation of _MSCL_: There seems to be a strange >internal logic, at least to me, in describing David Caruso as the redhead >who quit _NYPD Blue_. Who's Valery from Ipanema? And what was that tune on the phone, Turkey in the Straw or another icecream classic. (It's all lost, in me.) >Maybe after the few episodes of MSCL that live on >have had cult status on the off-network syndie circuit for enough years, >someone will have the imagination to bring _My So-called Life: The Next >Generation_ into the world :-). Yes, maybe I should go check out the voices on that show since others seem to be herding me in the wrong direction today, which is why I say Jan. 6 but moving backwards, if things are getting better. Perhaps some fish will help. >From: Vickie the Ectophile >Mitch writes: > >> In memory of Elizabeth Montgomery. > >:-( yes...a favorite of mine since childhood. > >...and Alexander Godinov (sp?). OV? That's a Calgary beer isn't it, I remember having some from a bathtub filled with ice at a corporate party once, in the summer of 1984. Who's Gary? He wasn't the bartender! >ps. Samantha never once moved her nose...she wiggled her *mouth*. >(How come no one ever agrees with me about that?) Oh no, I forgot my sunblock today but luckily the sun was behind me during the concert, and I wiggled my fingers and tapped my toes, but my feet were too hot on the place where the ground in thin (G.Island). Still during Tammy Fassaert's (check her out, list) song about home I first envisioned the peace of Jan. 7/8 night (in between two storms) in Newfoundland, the stars aglow, in a field of snow, and then expanded that with a view of the earth from space, then the earth as a goddess that we were on and spiralling over, so everywhere was home, or she was home. Maybe Samantha knows Gene Simmons and Charlie Parker? Oh well, this thesis is getting to be torture, but I'd better get to it soon or else do a swan dive (in Rocky Pond?) :-) David Message fte:407 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:57:29 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199505192255.SAA09709@ns2.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: fte:407 Subject: Re:Wigglin' noses & Mae Moore chip-l@nwu.edu (Chip Lueck ) wrote: >>Vickie wrote: >>ps. Samantha never once moved her nose...she wiggled her *mouth*. >>(How come no one ever agrees with me about that?) >I'll almost agree with you, Vickie. She *DID* wiggle her mouth >a lot which caused her nose to wiggle a little bit! Is Samantha a PC? (That's the Canadian equivalent of republican, who may want to throw in the towel.) neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) wrote > Anyway, I saw the Mae Moore video, which may be of some interest to >Ectophiles. Oddly, her makeup and the multihued lighting and the closeup >camera shots the director used make her face look awfully similar to >Happy's face on the cover of BTC. Probably a coincidence. Ms. Moore was >also wearing her hair in pigtails and severe bangs... didn't Meth start a >thread a while back about Happy and Sarah McLachlan in pigtails? But I hope they don't wear leather riding gear, that wouldn't be P.C. probably cotton or nylon would work ok for protection, or elevation. And suede tuxedos are no fun. (I actually blew the french in my first interview partly because I was wearing a suede sportscoat that was too hot, same deal when I screwed up the 0,1 to 0,0 on Reach For The Top, where I had a slow finger, and said Paul Anka instead of Burton Cummings for I did it My Way. Have to run help set up at TheA's and watch the hockey, which I was never any good at, in fact I can't skate without support, and would fall easily from those hip chicks. But wait, I don't need my holy sweater today, only after a long cold day, my salmon sweatshirt will do for backup tonight. David -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:408 - Read Delivery-date: Tue, 23 May 1995 0:11:13 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Mon May 22 09:16:50 1995" Send-date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:04:46 UTC-0700 From: "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" To: Message-ID: fte:408 Subject: Fumbling Towards Analog? >X-Vms-To: IN%"fte@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au" >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 6377 Was blasting the live video version of the song Fumbling Towards Ecstasy today in my car stereo (it's off key but who cares?) and got to thinking how that synth sound is so cool. Well, watch the video again. Most of the video looks grainy, I described it once as having the technical quality of a cheap porno: color problems, occasional dropouts, video glitches, noise, graininess, color bleed, etc. Hence it all has sorta that "cheap video" look. But for some reason, I don't know quite how to explain it, the performance of FTE feels more like it was filmed on actual film, not videotape. All I could figure out was, the key to it is that beautiful synthesizer sound that begins and ends the song. So I listened more closely to the synth; even on audiotape, it "sounds" like film. The synth in use is, if I recall, a digital modern one (you see Dave pushing ivories on that particular keyboard during the video) but that sound is decidedly not digital. It has the sweet aroma of an old analog synth, and I'd love to know how they did it. The sound is too thick to be digital; layers of sound, like an FM synthesizer or something. My lack of expertise in synth technology is showing, but I'm guessing. Lemme get this straight: they're showing "Into the Fire" in Sears? I think that'll be the next place I submit my resume... :-) Actually, I'm still hoping VH-1 will get their shit (and mud?) together and play "Into the Fire" on their own. I had the idea, during the Los Angeles riots a couple years back, to call VH1 and request "Into the Fire" and dedicate it to anyone travelling to L. A. But I didn't, and I'm sorta glad I didn't; that's not in the best of taste. Still, I shouldn't expect much from VH1. They did play Sarah in the beginning (isn't that an Emerson Lake and Palmer song?) and practically wore out the tape of "Possession," but it seems like they don't want to admit she exists sometimes. The appearance on Naked Cafe; the occasional mention on darcy's music, the L ifebeat thing last year, but other than that, nothing but videos and strikingly few of those. She doesn't even earn a few frames in one of those "Best New Music" commercials VH-1 does! As if they think showing pictures of Sarah during their commercials will hurt their viewership... as if Tom Petty doesn't. Anyway, for those who emailed me, I confess, what I said the other day had no business on the list, but I had to: I was beginning to feel like I was being napalmed by the guy. Anyway, I'm as glad as anyone that it's over. As gbfile pointed out to me, we'll probably never agree on much. But it's not the disagreements that are the problem, disagreements are what keep the list interesting. It's the manner of conduct, the way in which the disagreements are handled, that causes list server slowdown and elevated temperatures (read: fallouts and flames). Anyway, I'm sure hearing netiquette remarkes from Squid is worth a laugh or two. It's over, and I'm glad. Despite what you may have suspected for some time, I found out I don't particularly like flamewars, especially ones where I'm the target. Now then, who was asking for a description of Sarah? She's not particularly tall, maybe 5'4" or less (~1.7 meters, if my metric doesn't fail me now). She has dark hair (black?) which she has been known to dye dark red; it's long and curly, and although it looks beautiful, word is that she doesn't wash it more than once a week; it's about as natural as a hairdo can get. She occasionally braids it. She has brown eyes, big lovely ones IMHO, that can look (to steal a line from "Steaming") over the hills and right through you. Things to watch for if you ever see video or pictures of her: the birthmark on the left side of her chin, the ring she occasionally wears on her right thumb, her nose "twitches" as she speaks (when I first saw it, I thought it was about the loveliest thing I'd ever seen). Her appearance changes subtly over time, not sure if it's cyclical; between tans, hairdo changes, and what may be a few pounds appearing and disappearing, the nuances of her appearance can shift, so that an ardent Sarah-watcher could theoretically tell _when_ a picture was taken, to within a few months. You'll notice if you watch the Sarah FTE Live video, that although all the footage was shot fairly close chronologically, Sarah looks very different in the studio shots than on stage; it isn't just her hair and clothing either. Photos taken within a few weeks of each other can look dramatically different, while the 1989 picture from B-Side could be placed next to some recent shots I've seen and you could never tell the difference, except her hair's grown since then. I suppose you'll want other details too, except I don't want to post descriptions of... well... below the neck. I try not to look at those features of her, I'd feel guilty (yeah, I know, it's OK to watch dirty flicks and look at that, but... you see why I'm skating around the subject?) I will say that, on the VH1 Naked Cafe segment on which she appeared, in a bead shop making necklaces, wearing a black vest over a white shirt; you see a side shot of her, looking down at her hands while she works, and you notice she has to kinda look _over_ something... I honestly didn't remember them being that big, after six years of Sarah pictures. This particular segment led to rumors among my friends locally that Sarah might have been pregnant; that rumor died for lack of evidence. And right now I feel guilty for mentioning this stuff, I doubt Sarah would appreciate the idea of people visually "measuring" her, but on the other hand, she probably doesn't think it's (if in good intentions) much worse than staring at her eyes, as I do. Other things to watch for: does she wear earrings anymore? She did in the Touch days, and the ones she wore in the "Vox" video were among the prettiest earrings I've seen on anyone. Note also the homemade necklaces she wears; she makes 'em, and might someday start selling them. Save your lunch money. Note the boots she recently developed a penchant for; a possible source of those damn incessant lesbian rumors? Watch Sarah's hands; I've always thought she has such lovely hands, and no I don't say this about every fiery woman. Her hand gestures and body language on stage is legendary; it could be considered a form of sign language music. Well, anyway. | http://www.columbus.iupui.edu/~jrshepar | IUPU Columbus, Indiana | |John Shepard jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu I wanna go to a real school someday! | | Internet is too important to be taken seriously. | Artist, writer, net.loon | | Amiga owner & Sarah McLachlan fan: God help me! |in the making. Finger me &| |"Enrich the soil, no soul no soul" Sarah McLachlan| tell me that you love me.| Message fte:409 - Read Delivery-date: Wed, 24 May 1995 21:10:05 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Wed May 24 11:05:25 1995" Send-date: Wed, 24 May 1995 13:07:39 UTC-0700 From: "Chris Guerra" To: Message-ID: fte:409 Subject: rootbeer,motorolas,belief in moonlight >X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/MS 3.0.0 _____ __ __ _____ / | \ / \/ \ / \ / | \ | | / o o \ | | | \ / | | | /|\ | + \ / = | \___/ | \ / | \ / \ / \ / \__|___/ \/ \_____/ This is how it goes. Pardon the limited medium. Imagine if all of life were made up of ASCII characters! I think joy is burdensome. Very much so. It takes a great deal of strength to carry it for a while, and it does take a lot out of you. I don't, however, believe that it is forbidden, but perhaps by ourselves, out of fear, perhaps, of the responsibility that accompanies any good thing. It's easier sometimes, it seems to me, to just blow some things off in a "sour grapes" sort of way, than to accept the whole picture, that you must take the bad with the good, the pain with the gain, or do without both (which is really just equal to bad/boredom/stagnation). I don't believe I'm saying this to you. You seem at times to be quite joyful, yet at times like this to be scraping the bottom. I know how that goes. But it's really natural law, I think, that night and day take their turns intermittantly. Maybe I misread your mood, but I do wish you joy. There's a fine line between such truths and the fiction we tell ourselves, for avoidance or whatever reasons we have. Probably (hopefully) I need not say these things to a person like yourself. More likely, you're the one who should be sharing your kindness with those who miss the beauty. But then, I know we all feel like shit sometimes. Please watch those crutches, though. They have a way of taking "root", and if you've ever done any gardening, you know how hard it is to get rid of weeds when they get their roots down in your garden. (Actually, I've wondered sometimes if weeds have just as much a right to exist wherever they spring up as any other plant. Who am I to judge? But that those are MY VEGETABLES!!! Selfish? I guess they're MY weeds as well.) I must go. There's something I want very much to do, but I'm trying hard to find a good REASON not to. Why would I want to convince myself not to do something that I want so much to do? Well, if you can answer that one, you're a very wise man. :) - Chris Chris_Guerra@tsl.texas.gov I think you meet love when you're doing your laundry, in your shabbiest clothes, in need of a shower and a shave, in a crappy old mood. Yep, there she is. Message fte:410 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 24 May 1995 22:47:16 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: "Chris Guerra" In-Reply-To: fte:409 Message-ID: fte:410 Subject: Re:rootbeer,motorolas,belief in moonlight Hi Chris, you wrote: > _____ __ __ _____ > / | \ / \/ \ / \ > / | \ | | / o o \ > | | | \ / | | > | /|\ | + \ / = | \___/ | > \ / | \ / \ / \ / > \__|___/ \/ \_____/ Thanks, and you too! There is a similar one in graffiti on the main floor men's bathroom wall at the grad centre but I think they didn't have it quite right. But a piece of love (for all) sounds like happiness to me. >This is how it goes. Pardon the limited medium. Imagine if all of life were >made up of ASCII characters! Yeah, fonts are so much fun, and graphics, and texture, and... >I think joy is burdensome. Very much so. It takes a great deal of strength >to carry it for a while, and it does take a lot out of you. But it is much better if you can share the joy, and not feel that you are carrying it all to yourself, but by spreading the joy and passing it along the sole burden is reduced. So I'll be happy if I can open a gateway to joy for all but not have to keep it propped open like the tortured demigods of greek mythology, continually toiling and getting nowhere, alone. >I don't, >however, believe that it is forbidden, but perhaps by ourselves, out of fear, >perhaps, of the responsibility that accompanies any good thing. It's easier >sometimes, it seems to me, to just blow some things off in a "sour grapes" The only sour grapes I want right now would be some shared red wine, and in fact I bet red wine would make a good marinade. But I know that of the paths I have dabbled in over the last 3.7 years (consciously and unconsciously much longer) most will turn out to be cosmic jokes, I just hope I'm left with something to hold on to. >sort of way, than to accept the whole picture, that you must take the bad >with the good, the pain with the gain, or do without both (which is really >just equal to bad/boredom/stagnation). What I really need right now is to laugh long and hard at myself, to divest myself of more fear, to figure out what jewels I can keep from the last while, whether I should scrap the academic research and follow paths of more joy, and probably to take some more lumps along the way. Sure, I agree, no pain, no gain, but I've already been through much pain, on the outer edge, and wouldn't mind at least a brief time of togetherness and stability. But I'm not going to count my chickens before they hatch, and, to quote my sister's poetry, will, like a stray cat, watch out for the boot. >I don't believe I'm saying this to you. You seem at times to be quite >joyful, yet at times like this to be scraping the bottom. Oh, I feel a bit better today, am learning like a child again, or being trained back to proper ways by the powers that be, and certainly feel joy, but am just terribly impatient at times. >I know how that >goes. But it's really natural law, I think, that night and day take their >turns intermittantly. Maybe I misread your mood, but I do wish you joy. Thanks, and again I'm just terribly impatient at times, and then get all blocked up, don't breathe properly, don't sleep properly, and it screws me up. At least after all the false calls most of my fear is gone, but I'm less likely to answer the call. My mood isn't bad now, it is just a period of recharching, for a while the extra meanings/signs I can read in things were threatening to swamp me, but now I am learning to ignore them, like a joke that is good the first time but which doesn't get you the second time. And there are still lots of funny coincidences in names, times, and more, but I am no longer trying to make any more sense out of it, for now, but will leave it to others. Maybe we have gone through some type of concergence or focus, or will soon, but it will then get back to normal. [Lately at times my attention will be draw to some sign/object/person's voice/whatever, and this is the focus, and the universe or whatever seems to be teaching me a lesson through this focus. After this I will have learned the error of some of my ways, and leave the tools of children to them (mostly).] But my mood/energy/sleep are not bad, nothing like the worst mixed up periods, and not high, no massive outpurings of poetry (but I think it still is there once certain blocks are removed). >There's a fine line between such truths and the fiction we tell ourselves, >for avoidance or whatever reasons we have. I think very little is an absolute truth, most sayings can be taken from several different angles or viewpoints, even Sarah's music can be interpreted differently by the singer or reader, so if I ever got nasty depressing lyrics in my head I now know how to turn them into something nicer. >Probably (hopefully) I need not say these things to a person like yourself. >More likely, you're the one who should be sharing your kindness with those >who miss the beauty. Lately I have the sense that everyone is getting the beauty or the joke or both, and that I am behind now if not all along, but I will again soon no doubt try to share my sense of mysticism/beauty/passion with you. >But then, I know we all feel like shit sometimes. Yeah, but for me I have to watch it and make sure that a mild down doesn't go too far down, or a creative buzz doesn't turn into delusions of grandeur. That is a hassle because I am so much self-constrained, and now have a fear of letting go, unless I am rather high. Perhaps that will improve once I am living with others again and they can help monitor me (and vice versa) with some occasional kind or harsh words ("hey, what the fuck are you doing putting anchovies in my cherry cappucino milkshake" oh, it's symbolic! "well you drink it then, and take some more lithium this week"). >Please watch those crutches, though. They have a way of taking "root", and >if you've ever done any gardening, you know how hard it is to get rid of >weeds when they get their roots down in your garden. Oh yes, dependencies and superstitions can be bad, if you get in a rut and are afraid to try anything new because you might fail or to try anything that you failed at once long ago because you might fail, or because you are desensitized in certain ways or accustomed to one set of ok but not the best habits. I think it is important to hold on to something familiar, though, in reaching towards the unknown. But I like some weeds, like dandelions and buttercups and lots more, and would rather have a rock/herb/weed/etc garden than a boring lawn with no variation in it. Variety is the spice of life, although of course you need a strong foundation or water level. So probably I would get along best with someone with deep roots but some variability and weirdness too, so that our cycles woul tend to stabilise each other, rubbing off the roughest bits. >(Actually, I've >wondered sometimes if weeds have just as much a right to exist wherever they >spring up as any other plant. Who am I to judge? But that those are MY >VEGETABLES!!! Selfish? I guess they're MY weeds as well.) Most weeds are useful, it is just that the spring up where they aren't wanted, or choke out your vegies, or even get carried from one continent to another and choke off ponds or lakes. But usually there is a natural way of containing them. (I have always hated weeding, too much bending over is involved, so am all for more natural methods.) >I must go. There's something I want very much to do, but I'm trying hard to >find a good REASON not to. Why would I want to convince myself not to do >something that I want so much to do? Well, if you can answer that one, >you're a very wise man. I can't really answer it unless I know what you want to do, but suspect that you think it might be immoral or have uncertain, possibly growing, consequences that might get outside your sole control. What I would say is that if it feels right, do it, trust your judgement, since I am just a fool, not a wise man. >:) >- Chris >Chris_Guerra@tsl.texas.gov >I think you meet love when you're doing your laundry, in your shabbiest >clothes, in need of a shower and a shave, in a crappy old mood. Yep, there >she is. But sometimes it is fun to shower and shave together, plus love has to stick around for the hard bits as well as the soft bits. Why did women do for the stubbly look in guys? Because it meant that the guys shaved at night. Whatever, I'm still all mixed up, the lessons have not ended. David Dalton -- David Dalton ----geophysics Ph.D student----- --- Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, (604) 822-2267 2219 Main Mall, University of British Columbia fax 822-6047 Vancouver, Canada V6T 1Z4 Message fte:411 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 26 May 1995 1:46:48 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: "Chris Guerra" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:411 Subject: Re:sarry for all the b.s. Hi Chris; >I'm really sorry for trying to tell you what to think or feel. Huh? I didn't get that sense at all, I thought you were just offering advice, to be taken or for me to leave, and also doing some rambling about your own affairs, so it was two-way. >As though _I_ have all the answers! Yeah? Well I could use a few, right now I'm on the hook (inverted question mark) although today I feel much better, although will be cautious, perhaps the world is like a pussy playing with a mouse (me) or a fisher letting the fish run for a while before reeling it in. But for today the shifting focus/lesson seems to have diminished a lot, there are no longer quite as many coincidences, or else I am learning to ignore them and focus on the finer things in life ("in the summertime, when the weather is hot..."). >I've got to remember not to regard my >possibly-temporary opinions as fact. But given all the bullshit that I have written, don't worry about it, just spout off and I'll pick the jewels to hold on to, and take the rest with a grain of salt, or just consider it a ramble like my own, nothing to get heated about. >I just have a tendency (myself) to be >optimistic, yet practical, and I'm afraid I end up preaching this perspective >to others when I ought really to shut up and just listen. No, it is a wise perspective, and I am trying to do that myself, but am being quite cautious in some ways and quite impatient in others (partly due to the hot weather and other factors). And rarely is one side completely right, there must be some give and take, with nobody shutting up completely. Still, there are times when you need to spout off more, and others are tired or whatever and are content to listen and direct. >I piss my friends >off a lot by taking the opposite side of whatever they are saying or feeling. > It's a well-intentioned attempt to see all sides, Sometimes (rarely) I used to do that too, but it is a rather juvenile tactic, almost as bad as being a yes man and repeating/humouring whatever the other person says until they go crazy. There is a happy medium in between, where you can try to see how they are going wrong, and where by taking a different direction at certain key points you can redirect things subtly without causing too much inappropriate friction, only friction that leads to fire that will mutually move you, since in moving you are moved. >but I'm going to shut up >and let you be in whatever mood you want, because I would be a big hypocrite >to tell you something, when it may turn out to be completely wrong. No, give it a shot, and if it doesn't work for me I won't be offended, but probably some of it will at least. >I just >wish people the strength to take care of themselves, because I perceive far >too much unhappiness in myself and others, but it's not my place to tell >anyone what to do. Once again, I apologize for my presumption, and I won't >pester you anymore with my overly-cheery/damn-depressing attempts to balance >your moods! Right now my mood is in-between, mostly fine, but not high or low, so if you want to opposite that you would have to take the middle ground as well. But thanks for your attempts at balancing my pendulum by opposition. I bet thinking about a pendulum clock would help things, the swing can be balanced better by gradual adjustment, or matching to another pendulum, or whatever. >>I must go. There's something I want very much to do, but I'm trying hard to >>find a good REASON not to. Why would I want to convince myself not to do >>something that I want so much to do? Well, if you can answer that one, > >"I can't really answer it unless I know what you want to do, but >suspect that you think it might be immoral or have uncertain, >possibly growing, consequences that might get outside your >sole control. What I would say is that if it feels right, >do it, trust your judgement, since I am just a tool, not a" >Yea, I just wanted to ask this woman out, but I felt scared about it, not so >much because I'm scared of asking, That's been more my problem, either I don't pick up on subtle cues, or choose the wrong time, or choose the wrong person and then get down and miss the right person. So I've been stuck in a solitary rut so long that a woman would have to hit me like a bowling ball in order for me to notice (not really), or sometimes I have a close-up freezing/blind-spot, until the ice is properly melted, long before which time most sensible women have long since fled. Plus I think somehow I have been subtly directed by the cosmos, the fool baying at the moon, and now hope that the cosmos has let me free to love, so my focus and some woman's focus might actually line up for a change. >but rather of her saying yes and all the >consequences, as you guessed, of that working out. But that's silly, because such consequences are long term, surely if from a distance you are strongly attracted to her you can break the ice (ask her out) and break the secondary ice (e.g., go out at least three times). By then you will both know if things are headed in the right direction, and might then try having sex, if that is good or at least if it keeps getting better as you get to know one another, then try the long term. But I guess some people prefer to get drunk and go to bed and if they wake up and still like each other in the morning then they move further. (And for me, after getting drunk with a stranger, go to bed would probably mean just that.) >The problem is, my >_judgement_ would say there's no reason NOT to, everything seems just fine, >but then you don't feel quite right about it, you're having doubt, so maybe >that's a good reason not to, That could be, if you are an experienced dater, and feel that you can trust your own judgements, plus have talked to this woman a bit, and feel little fire, or whatever. >but then is that just another attempt to avoid >the consequences of her saying "yes", or... You get the picture. Yes, if she says yes, you are obligated to change, so it sounds as though you are in a bit of a solitary rut like me, but in the long term that gets a bit weary, despite what Rilke says, so I would advise you not to miss the runaway train of love, but give it a whirl. If after a few dates it isn't going in the right direction, you can hop off tactfully without hurting each other, by open and honest communication. But if it takes off, well, you both might end up in orbit, if you like. Changing is not all that bad, stasis is worse, and once the initial change is done, it can be a seed for positive new growth in your life, with changes under your mutual control/choice, whereas as a solitary there is nothing to hold on to at times. Still, part of my fear is fear of rejection, which you do not seem to have; and at other times I could have taken up with someone but there was no fire, and I knew that sex for convenience is no fun, there must be fire on both sides. But part of your fear of saying "yes" might be that you are worried that this isn't the right perosn, and by saying yes you may miss, just around the corner, the love of your live. I would say that to be held captive by your fears is no fun, and without a gamble, there can be no gambol. So take a chance on love, and with luck the goddesses have re-oriented my blinkers in the right direction/time so that I might too, rather than always turning away from the fire. >This is >one reason I like to keep my mouth shut, rather than give others advice, >because I really cannot reach very many definite conclusions, because there >are always other variables, however "unreasonable", that nonetheless have an >influence on, say, my mood, or whatever, and so they have to be considered >along with all the "hard data". I would say go with your hunches, and if from a distance you have a bad feeling (or at least not a very strong good feeling) about somebody, then don't rush things, start with a soft type date, or group dinner/party type interaction, then once you are comfortable together you will know whether you want to try and light some fire or just be friends or even part ways. >Sort of like being in a bad mood. Just because it's bad doesn't mean you >should go the opposite direction and force yourself to be in a good mood. I >mean, there's some reason for bad moods, the same as any other thing, and to >ignore that wouldn't be very logical. No, of course. What I do is try to ignore the trivial irritants, and try to figure out what I can change and what I can't, and to ignore the ones I can't but change the ones I can. So if I'm in a bad mood and hot, hungry and dehydrated, I will first try to cool off, get fresh air, eat, drink loads of water, maybe take some clothes off or shoes off. If crowds or traffic are getting me down, I'll try to get to a more natural setting, and of course regulate my breathing properly. If certain noise or inappropriate music is getting me down, I will stick on Sarah (I found my AA cell adaptor and am using 2 Dynacharge batteries in my Sony portable now) or other good music, sometimes classical, sometimes celtic harp/shakuhachi flute or whatever. Some people cheer me up, so I try to be around them more. Others get my goat, and in a bad mood I know to avoid them. >This is all opinion, mind you, and >will probably be obsolete tomorrow, so please don't take it as fact unless >you want to. No, and don't take my reply as a fact or concrete opinion even, since I still don't know much about love or myself I bet, despite all the ramblings. And it is late, so I won't bother to massage the above into something more coherent. >Anyway, I WILL leave you alone now! I'm going to force myself for a while to >just listen and not talk. Besides, the library needs my services. Each to >his own, I suppose. There's a big library opening here tomorrow (Friday), it looks like the Roman Coliseum, but I will probably give it a miss since it is hot and I am not in a mood for crowds, although a small party would be fine, chilled white wine... But good luck with your library date. :-) Dave D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:412 - Read Delivery-date: Sun, 28 May 1995 23:31:18 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Sun May 28 07:38:39 1995" Send-date: Sun, 28 May 1995 10:33:16 UTC-0700 From: To: Reply-To: Message-ID: <199505281433.KAA24749@freenet.buffalo.edu> Subject: Re: Sarah stuff? >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 6418 ILuvEMail wrote: -->>Okay, i know i'm just a pathetic little newbie, but i'm -->>looking for any sarah text (or ftp sites) that anyone could -->>send me.. please don't attach it to a message, just send it -->>in the mail body.. thanks for anything :) Well, I have scoured the net endlessly and alas this is my present list of ftp sites and web sites with known Sarah stuff... _________________________________________________________________ http://gto.ncsa.uiuc.edu/khawkins/sarah.html http://www.wimsey.com/nettwerk/ ftp.uwp.edu./pub/incoming/artists/mclachlan.sarah ftp.toltec.com /pub/music/Sarah_McLachlan ftp.uwp.edu /pub/music/artists/m/mclachlan.sarah/discog discog@inphobos.wupper.de (Discography) "REQUEST SARAH MCLACHLAN" Nettlist-Request@Nettwerk.wimsey.com (Nettwerk Digest) "SUBSCRIBE" http://www.webcom.com/~donh/esther/sarah.html http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~cecronkw ftp.virginia.edu /public_access/Sarah directory http://www.us.itd.umich.edu/~hubt/sarah/ http://www.css.itd.umich.edu/~hubt/sarah/ http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~jds5s/music/sarah/ http://www.us.itd.umich.edu/~hubt/sarah/ http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~jds5s/music/sarah/sounds/sounds.html http://eval.mcit.med.umich.edu/~jauderho/music.html __________________________________________________________________ Happy Surfing :) Gandharva or John if you please :} -- -->John Niedermeyer --> e-mail --> bk762@freenet.buffalo.edu <--- -->University of Buffalo / Music Dept. <------------------------- --> Sarah McLachlan --> "I will stare into the sun until its ---> --> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ -->light doesn't blind me"<---------------- Message fte:413 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:39:04 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Dan Stark Cc: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:413 Subject: Re:Jewel's guitar in reply to my comment that >DD> But yes, Jewel is a >DD> hell of a fingerpicker for her age, she must >DD> have started young, maybe there isn't much else Dan Stark wrote: >Actually, she claims to have started playing only 3 years ago. Oh, then maybe there's hope for me yet, although if I had any musical talents they surely would have popped out by now. But with recent developments, anticipated free time (unemployment) soon, and lots of good, even powerful, teachers to hit on, who knows? Does Geena Davis play any instruments, or kayak? Does any collagen come from bulls? Maybe I'll ask jewel for some advice on Saturday, or listen to her between-song raconting more carefully. She's a fast tuner, and has some good hooks. But Sarah McLachlan is still my favourite, with a tight grip on the top of my charts. David Message fte:414 - Read Delivery-date: Fri, 26 May 1995 17:41:38 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Fri May 26 17:39:10 1995" Send-date: Fri, 26 May 1995 19:41:38 UTC-0700 From: "Chris Guerra" To: Message-ID: fte:414 Subject: sorry I was so sorry (: >X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/MS 3.0.0 Hi David, << >I'm really sorry for trying to tell you what to think or feel. Huh? I didn't get that sense at all, I thought you were just offering advice, to be taken or for me to leave, and also doing some rambling about your own affairs, so it was two-way. >> I'm glad. I just looked back at what I had written and thought how that might seem to someone else reading it, and thought it was too you-should. << >I piss my friends >off a lot by taking the opposite side of whatever they are saying or feeling. > It's a well-intentioned attempt to see all sides, Sometimes (rarely) I used to do that too, but it is a rather juvenile tactic, almost as bad as being a yes man and repeating/humouring whatever >> Oh, it's not a tactic really. I just love to debate things - just about anything. The problem is that not everyone wants to examine things so closely. I should give it a rest myself, but I think I do it especially with people who seem like they just NEVER look at both sides of things. If I go through it with a compatible person, I feel very good (like after sweaty exercise), and am actually a very agreeable person. Maybe it is sort of like picking a fight, but it's not at all a FIGHT that I'm after, just a refreshing talk. Far too much of conversation is just bullshit. I don't refer to small-talk, because that has a value, but just the boring stuff that neither they nor I really care about anyway. That's impatience of mine. With shallowness. Heehee, reminds me of something a friend suggested, that it's pretentious to call someone else pretentious. Did you follow that segue? From one rambler to another! << Right now my mood is in-between, mostly fine, but not high or low, so if you want to opposite that you would have to take the middle ground as well. But thanks for your attempts at balancing my >> Well here I am! Even keel, at least relative to recent days or weeks. << >but rather of her saying yes and all the >consequences, as you guessed, of that working out. But that's silly, because such consequences are long term, surely if from a distance you are strongly attracted to her you can break the ice (ask her out) and break the secondary ice (e.g., go out at least three times). By then you will both know if things are headed in the right direction, and might then try having sex, if that is good or at least if it keeps getting better as you get to know one another, then try the long term. >> Actually, I wasn't thinking quite so long-term in this case (though there's always the wondering if this mysterious woman is the "one"). The consequences I dreaded were just the immediate ones. I mean, it takes a lot of effort and focus to date a new person, and sometimes I question my readiness for that undertaking. << Yes, if she says yes, you are obligated to change, so it sounds as though you are in a bit of a solitary rut like me, but in the long term that gets a bit weary, despite what Rilke says, so I would advise you not to miss the runaway train of love, but give it a whirl. If after ... open and honest communication. But if it takes off, well, you both might end up in orbit, if you like. Changing is not all that bad, stasis is worse, and once the initial change is done, it can be a seed for positive new growth in your life, with changes under your mutual control/choice, whereas as a solitary there is nothing to hold on to at times. >> Yea, being alone is nice sometimes, but boring other times. We all need nice surprises. << do not seem to have; and at other times I could have taken up with someone but there was no fire, and I knew that sex for convenience is no fun, there must be fire on both sides. But part of your fear of saying "yes" might be that you are worried that this isn't the right perosn, and by saying yes you may miss, just around the corner, the love of your live. I would say that to >> I've passed up opportunities as well because it just didn't sound like what I was looking for. "For convenience", as you put it. Plus there's the wasting time element, where someone really great could come along while I'm beating loneliness off with someone who just isn't right. << Still, part of my fear is fear of rejection, which you do not seem to have; and at other times I could have >> The rejection stuff is always in the back of the mind. Some people are just a little better at ignoring it and acting despite this little fear. It seems like, if you are really apprehensive about getting rejected, it shows in your behavior, coming off as lack of confidence, and turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy. I've thought a good deal about these things and discussed them with friends, and as far as I can conclude, it comes down to: it doesn't matter. That is, if you get rejected, it's not really personal, it's just a simply lack of compatibility on the other person's part. Maybe they're just blind to your unique brand of beauty, but even if that's the case (that they WOULD like you more if they knew you better), then they don't really "deserve" you, in a sense. I mean, if they were really so great, they would like you just as much. Even in a purely first-impression/sexual attraction way, if they just don't think you're attractive, then it's a waste of your time to have to CONVINCE them. I've thought that fear of rejection might be rooted in a lack of self-esteem (oh, no shit, sherlock!) that manifests itself in a belief that the other person is somehow better than yourself. You end up regarding their opinion as more important than your own or any objective facts concerning your attractiveness (and I mean that in the all-encompassing sense, not just physical). Low self-esteem, by definition, is a low self-image, so perhaps we look to others to counter that low opinion with a high opinion. Unfortunately, what happens in THAT situation is that your own belief is really unassailable by any other person's opinion, unless you change your own belief to be more in line with that other person's HIGH opinion. Basically, you don't believe them. You think they must be blind to your faults, and this really comes down to a lack of respect for THEM, ironically enough, because you don't truly value/trust their opinion, and think they are stupid to like someone as faulty as you. The only real way out of this endless psychological roller-coaster/push-pull situation is to come to the conclusion that, objectively, you are as good and attractive person as anyone else. By "objectively", I don't mean that a survey of 1000 average women would yield a such-and-such percential blah-blah-blah. Rather, I mean that, for ANY person, there will always be someone who thinks you are ugly as hell, and there will always be someone who thinks you are the most beautiful creature ever to walk the earth. The key is to look for the ones in the latter category, and then subject THEM to your own evaluation. Perhaps you could start the other way, and pick your set first, and then just watch for the likely prospects. I've found, however, the first method to be quite fun, because: 1) I find women who find me attractive more attractive than those who don't, and 2) it's educational to see how attractive someone who thinks you're just lovely can be, whereas you might not have paid any attention to them had you been on the offensive. In any case, it really doesn't matter in the end what you're like, unless YOU yourself are unsatisfied (which I think is the true problem in most cases), where you would have to decide if you want to change certain things, and learn to love the things you can't change. I'm sure you know all this. But these things are often easier said than done. In fact, I think we all really KNOW what we want and like and should do, but the ACTION part is the stumbling block. Kierkegaard said something like, excessive reflection is the problem man has. In connection with fear of rejection, this would suggest that you ought not worry about that, and just do it. I've been surprised at the reaction I get when I'm so bold and confident to just do it regardless of those fears in the back of my mind. I really think everyone has them, and those who get places are the ones who just ignore their fears' bad advice. I'm not the sort of person who particularly stands out and turns every head in the room, but I've fearlessly plunged into intense moments with intimidating women and been quite honestly amazed at how much this piques their interest. They figure you're confident for good reason, and ultimately, they're right. I absolutely do NOT advocate cockiness or conceit. No no. That's a "cheap disguise" that gets passed off all the time as true confidence. Too bad most people think these people are hot stuff anyway. No, it's mostly in the eyes. << That's been more my problem, either I don't pick up on subtle cues, or choose the wrong time, or choose the wrong person and then get down and miss the right person. So I've been stuck in a solitary rut so long that a woman would have to hit me like a bowling ball in order for me to notice (not really), or sometimes I have a close-up freezing/blind-spot, until the ice is properly melted, long before which time most sensible women have long since fled. Plus I think somehow I have been >> A friend once told me you don't look for a woman, you LOOK OUT for one. I took this as meaning you have to be aware of what those "subtle cues" women use are, and notice them when they come at you. I don't walk around expecting these things to hit me in the face, so I'm usually caught off guard too. Like meeting some dreamy women while I'm doing my dirty laundry. That freezing stuff will screw things up for sure. "Timing's everything," they say. It's as though there's this big suspenseful fire that builds up right at the beginning, and you just have to go with that or else you lose it immediately. I crossed paths with a very interesting woman the other day, and I felt an exciting/scary tension holding us rapt as we spoke, then I just shifted my glance from one eye to her other eye, just to be sure I had the right one (the one she focuses with), and ZAP! I lost the momentum so incredibly fast I wanted to kick myself. I had the correct eye the first time. But it's that hesitation, that nervous twitch, that "freezing", that completely defuses a pleasantly tense situation. You're right. Sensible women do flee by the time you come around. Or at least the excitement isn't the same as the lost moment. << Still, part of my fear is fear of rejection, which you do not seem to have; and at other times I could have taken up with someone but there was no fire, and I knew that sex for convenience is no fun, there must be fire on both sides. But part of your fear of saying "yes" might be that you are worried that this isn't the right perosn, and by saying yes you may miss, just around the corner, the love of your live. I would say that to >> Oh, sure I do. But there are times when I'm just POSITIVE that I'm not the only one who's feeling a FIRE. I don't know, though. Sometimes this happens under circumstances which would seem to suggest otherwise, such as she has a serious boyfriend & they live together, maybe she's just being friendly and engaging, etc. But then, flirting is an art where you don't let yourself be obviously too interested. You keep yourself at a safe distance in that game, but not TOO safe. And I suppose unavailable people can flirt as much as the available ones. No one said this was leading anywhere. So in these intensely engaging situations, I just follow it and don't take it too much to heart; rather enjoy it, whatever it is or isn't. I'm not really that brave. I just dismiss the ones who turn away, and unless I'm in a bad mood, innocently flirt with the ones who don't take their eyes from mine. You can't freeze here, because women really do the choosing, and at this point, they've chosen you and they're giving you a chance to show what a great player you are. So play! After all, it's just a game! It's the bad moods that put me out of the game all too frequently. I wonder which comes first though, the mood/excuse or the fear. You know, "I can't - I feel sick!" It's always something. I guess you've gotta just know your valid reasons from your lame excuses. (I don't mean YOU, per se; just anyone.) Well, I'm sure you know all this and more. You sound like you've been around the block they call love a few more times than I have. Just thought I'd offer a little moral support. You seem real attentive to finer details; I bet you'd have no problem noticing those "subtle cues" if you sat still and watched. It's easy to get more caught up in the focus of whatever you're doing, and let slip by all sorts of things that are going on around you. I don't know if that's the structure of your missing of cues, but it appears to happen a lot with people. That's probably why love comes as such a surprise - out of the blue, on a street corner. Just gotta be open and ready for the unexpected. Whoa, maybe I can make a thesis out of this tome! It's always a pleasure, but I'll "talk" to you later! I really must get out of this chair before I get too attached to it! - Chris Chris_Guerra@tsl.texas.gov By the way, I bet the "hot" weather you describe is more like a cool Texas early spring day! Message fte:415 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 26 May 1995 18:29:49 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: "Chris Guerra" In-Reply-To: fte:414 Message-ID: fte:415 Subject: Re:sorry I was so sorry (: Hi Chris, thanks for the load of wonderful comments, here is a quick reply, maybe I will write more if I come back later tonight. Right now I have to dodge off to hear Danielle French and Jenny Allen and get some food and beer soon. Also for the first time I can remember, they took down the venetian blinds for cleaning and say they won't be back until "sometime next week" and the sun is right on this Sun so I can hardly read this. But here are a couple of comments. > Oh, it's not a tactic really. I just love to debate things - just about >anything. I like that too, some give and take, but sometimes you have nothing in common and then it fizzles quickly. But now I have a wide range of interests and would best get along with someone else who overlapped me in some areas but not others. > Heehee, reminds me of something a friend suggested, that it's pretentious to >call someone else pretentious. Did you follow that segue? From one rambler >to another! That gets kind of twisted. Where's the tent? :-) > Well here I am! Even keel, at least relative to recent days or weeks. Great, but keep testing the wind! > Actually, I wasn't thinking quite so long-term in this case (though there's >always the wondering if this mysterious woman is the "one"). Yes, it is best to at first live for today or tonight, and then maybe it will turn into something longer later. >The >consequences I dreaded were just the immediate ones. I mean, it takes a lot >of effort and focus to date a new person, But sometimes that is good exercise, like learning a new instrument or something. And exploration and discovery can be fun, although there is much fumbling early in any new relationship. > Yea, being alone is nice sometimes, but boring other times. We all need >nice surprises. And even in a relationship there are times when one or both will need their privacy to recharge and then come back together with renewed fire. But I hate it when such periods turn into ice ages. > I've passed up opportunities as well because it just didn't sound like what >I was looking for. "For convenience", as you put it. I _think_ I'm sensitive to someone else's fire, so women who are turned on by me can turn me on more, or something. Some women (long ago) I could get inside their "aura" and actually get heated up, or once I (not too well) jive danced with someone after smoking up and got embarrassingly heated, just from holding hands. But other women, who I may have tried to love, did not seem really interested or turned on, and hence my own fires died. So I have a bit of a built in sensor as well as some external redirection, it is just that I so often repress or ignore the built-in sensor. >That is, if you get rejected, it's not really personal, it's just a >simply lack of compatibility on the other person's part. Yes, and I have done my share of rejecting as well, mainly women friends who have made subtle opening advances but have not awoken my night dreams, so I just played the friend and didn't take the hook. > A friend once told me you don't look for a woman, you LOOK OUT for one. uh oh :-) Yeah, I know, those subtle cues. :-) >took this as meaning you have to be aware of what those "subtle cues" women >use One piece or teo piece? 20oz or 17oz? They casn hurt! >too. Like meeting some dreamy women while I'm doing my dirty laundry. Hmmm, was going to do that tomorrow, and aybe go to Raplh's thingie before or after but perhaps I'll get plastered at the jam instead. > That freezing stuff will screw things up for sure. "Timing's everything," >they say. It's as though there's this big suspenseful fire that builds up >right at the beginning, and you just have to go with that or else you lose it >immediately. Yeah, sometimes that can happen, and it will fade into either a non-relationship or a cool freindship since you fail to crack the nut (ouch). The universe did start with a big bang after all (is that a haircut?) >time. But it's that hesitation, that nervous twitch, that "freezing", that >completely defuses a pleasantly tense situation. But that happens to both sides, and there are ways of breaking the ice and starting fire, I think. > You're right. Sensible women do flee by the time you come around. Or at >least the excitement isn't the same as the lost moment. Oh, who wants a sensible woman anyway, like all those sensible shoes that don't fit. I'd rather a shoe that fits, rather than sticking to dry conventions of pickup joints. > Oh, sure I do. But there are times when I'm just POSITIVE that I'm not the >only one who's feeling a FIRE. But you have to be careful there since sometimes the fire is not directed at you, maybe the woman is daydreaming/flaming for the time she gets her boyfriend home alone later, or maybe you smell certain monthly pheromones or something, in any case, without the subtle external cues you are stuck. I've felt inappropriate fire lots of times and muffled it. >I just dismiss the ones who turn away, and unless I'm in a bad mood, >innocently flirt with the ones who don't take their eyes from mine. You >can't freeze here, because women really do the choosing, What's a shoe song? :-) No, I bet women get stuck in this too, with the way today's socierty/media portrayal of relationships are. But I like women who know what they want or at least are willing to find out, not just play the game for no reason. >and at this point, >they've chosen you and they're giving you a chance to show what a great >player you are. So play! After all, it's just a game! But it is and it isn't! Oh well, guess I should drop some of the mystical symbolism/long term goals for now and focus on short term goals, like the first rung on the stepladder. > It's the bad moods that put me out of the game all too frequently. I wonder >which comes first though, the mood/excuse or the fear. You know, "I can't - >I feel sick!" It's always something. I guess you've gotta just know your >valid reasons from your lame excuses. (I don't mean YOU, per se; just >anyone.) Sometimes it is OK to feel sick together, and get well quicker that way, but usually that's not a good starting point. Today I feel drained and hot, but who knows what the night will bring. >- out of the blue, on a street corner. Just gotta be open and ready for the >unexpected. Yes, randomness is the spice of life, but the waiting is hard to bear. > Whoa, maybe I can make a thesis out of this tome! It's always a pleasure, >but I'll "talk" to you later! I really must get out of this chair before I >get too attached to it! It helps to do back bends over the chair occasionally, and my yoga teacher taught me some other neat moves. :-) > By the way, I bet the "hot" weather you describe is more like a cool Texas >early spring day! Then if I go down there I would need a good hat and cool footwear, maybe I'll design some air-conditioned/iced gear. Maybe the purple rain is grape related, so purplish red wine popsicles. (ouch) Thanks for your wise words, and the night is young. DD p.s. once again I can't read rthis due to sun glare so excuse any typos, and maybe layter I woill comment on your other stuff, since the lkist is slow these days. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:416 - Read Delivery-date: Wed, 31 May 1995 1:05:08 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Tue May 30 21:28:22 1995" Send-date: Wed, 31 May 1995 0:28:20 UTC-0700 From: To: Message-ID: fte:416 Subject: Re: bst:two four tuesday? Hi David! This passage seems very twisted-lingo free! >I've decided that all of my writings in the last good >while have been bullshit, and must now do my best to >forget them, and forget the "broken english" filters >or at least be able to ignore them. Any suggestions >on overcoming this twisted lingo addiction? Why do you think your previous writings have been bullshit? I guess an even blend of "broken english" filters with "normal(?)" stuff could be a start if you really want to change your posting style. Give yourself time and some indulgences! >an hour of tanning and a haircut have helped, Hope this is not in a tanning booth! I just read some awful stats on the rate of malignant melanoma development among sun-lamp users! I just got back from a trip to Florida. A friend of mine had a boat docked down there for the winter and the goal was to drive it up to New Jersey to use for the summer (something close to 800 miles). Well, everything that could possibly go wrong did! We never even made it out of Florida after 3 days of boating (but I do have a WONDERFUL tan now!). >Also my CD players are busted so I am suffering >withdrawal symptoms from Sarah. Help! OK! I'll sing for you: All the fear has left me now (beat, beat, beat) I'm not frightened anymore....Well, maybe not :) Hope you're feeling well. I haven't had a chance to read your reply to my last Q/A session with you since we've had some troubles with the server at school. But, now I'm hooked up at home and couldn't be happier about it! >Love and hugs; >David Love and hugs back. Cheryl (previously csoricel@cc.brynmawr.edu now = biopterin@aol.com) Message fte:417 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 31 May 1995 2:59:54 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: fte:416 Message-ID: fte:417 Subject: Re:bst:two four tuesday? Hi Cheryl; Great to hear from you, interesting handle! >This passage seems very twisted-lingo free! Thanks, and tonight my blinkers are on (metaphorically speaking) so that I can't see too much in the way of double plays in it either. >>I've decided that all of my writings in the last good >>while have been bullshit, and must now do my best to >>forget them, and forget the "broken english" filters >>or at least be able to ignore them. Any suggestions >>on overcoming this twisted lingo addiction? > >Why do you think your previous writings have been bullshit? I guess an even >blend of "broken english" filters with "normal(?)" stuff could be a start if >you really want to change your posting style. Give yourself time and some >indulgences! Oh, I just meant that sometimes I have spewed out oodles of stream-of-consciousness stuff when I could have edited down to a few nuggets, which is all that most people have time to read. Also I figure most of my ideas on physics, medicine, mysticism and more must have been way off base or poorly presented or I would have gotten more positive feedback by now. Plus the stream style was a good training ground but I'm starting to get bored with it, and should move on to something more mature. And right now I am too distracted by personal matters to put glowing lyrics together. >>an hour of tanning and a haircut have helped, > >Hope this is not in a tanning booth! No way, I've never used one of those, I just catch some rays at softball, or on my fire escape, and have been building up gradually for the last month. Still I probably should use more sun lotion. But I don't like greasy stuff, I think that any lotion should have the electrical conductivity of natural body fluids for best effects (so someone should develop lubricants and condoms with natural conductivity, or even slightly enhanced somehow, to direct the bioelectricity rather than blocking it, but that would require research, plus I bet natural lubrication is a good way to goO) :-) . >I just got back >from a trip to Florida. A friend of mine had a boat docked down there for >the winter and the goal was to drive it up to New Jersey to use for the >summer (something close to 800 miles). Well, everything that could possibly >go wrong did! We never even made it out of Florida after 3 days of boating >(but I do have a WONDERFUL tan now!). Great, I envy you, I haven't done any travelling in 5 years other than to Newfoundland and Banff occasionally, and am itching to finish up here and then maybe travel before or as part of my next job, whatever that will be. But at heart I'm more of a homebody and probably wouldn't travel by myself but with familiar face(s). And Florida, I would avoid that and most places that hot in the summer, unless I can figure out good ways to keep my mood stable in superhot weather. Ice Cream? Tonight I have a sweet tooth, had a Oh Henry bar and a Big Turk bar, should have gotten the nuts/sunflower seed mix instead of the Big Turk. (I haven't been using nuts and beans as much in my vegie cooking as I should, although I do eat tofu, peas, lentils regularly.) >>Also my CD players are busted so I am suffering >>withdrawal symptoms from Sarah. Help! > >OK! I'll sing for you: Oh, I found my adaptor for using two AA dynacharge rechargeable cells in my portable instead of the battery pack/adaptor, and it is working fine, tonight I staring playing sunset type songs, then after the greyish sunset stuck on Loreena McKennit's The Mask and Mirror briely in memory of the mid-December (onion) concert 164ish days ago, but it was getting me down so I pulled it off and stuck on Touch with the bass boosted and sort of sung along silenetly and if it got too sad remembered my own twists and had to laugh although that is sacrilege, I'm sure. :-) > >All the fear has left me now (beat, beat, beat) I'm not frightened >anymore....Well, maybe not :) Thanks, and I feel a lot better after spending the day in slob mode at home today (Tuesday), the last of the old moon is now gone, now on to the new, although I will have to be careful until maybe 5 or 6 days after new moon, depending on signs, based on my early January and early April experiences. Still, all is well, was low late last night and early this morning possibly due to second hand smoke and exasperation with my own social blinkeredness/avoidance, but tonight after lots of sleep and yoga I even had a bit of a smile, and memories of 1980 in Halifax. But now, back to the old grind, hoping for a miracle or something, the way the thesis is stalled. (Actually I made some progress Sun/Mon, dribbles enough to keep me from giving up just yet, so the beat goes on. :-) >Hope you're feeling well. Thanks, and you too! Overall (or jean vest?) things are fine, even slightly up this evening, but I still have occasional mild paranoia that something is up, people are keeping something from me, or even that I am broadcasting emotions/thoughts that affect people around me, and sensing stuff from people around me. But if it was true I would have gotten some feedback by now that would help me find a course and not drift aimlessly, so I guess it is all rubbish. Also I am still a bit obssessed with Sarah, not to the point of being a nuisance to her with hardcopy flowers/chocolate/poems/whatever but enough that I have been semi-saving myself for her, and not following up on the subtle cues of other women (not that I have been much anyway, I'm rather dense, but it is spring, and more of my "empath" feelings have been moving towards this area). And the mild obsession is one reason why I have left the list for a while if not for good, plus it has left me more wordless and prosaic than usual, although that may change with the moon. Still, either soon I will see Sarah somewhere in town, at a party or concert or something, and say hi, not freeze like the last time, and she will give me the cold shoulder, and then I will feel more free to open up to other women too/instead, or (hey that's a long gap since the either) she will go on tour in late June and again I will try to forget her. But I guess the hardest scenario would be if I did run into her and she was warm and friendly and then left on tour, I would probably be tempted to wait for her (but am not obssessed enough to disguise myself as a roadie yet) and again ignore all the warm vibes I've been getting, for a change, from other women; it seems that the blinkers are off (me?) after the last many years, though I'm certainly not nearly in the shape I used to be/could be except perhaps in terms of my "cosmic tuning" or sensitivity, but Fear still gets me, the more attractive a strange woman is to me the more I freeze up near her. Now I know Sarah is not too strange (except in good ways) but the old fan/artist distance is there, and the smidgeon of pedestalhood, so I have the double bind of mild musician awe (not too bad because I know lots of musicians and have met some fair size musical fish) and the attractive woman awe, with the added thing of her being my powerful musical battery that guided me through the first mania, when else it might have gone into something wose, and my being tangled in her musical web (a hammock for two, in which we lay ent-wined?) and using it as inspiration for my tomfoolery on the list over a long period of time (about a year now), which has sort of built up into a plug, that needs a firm tug on the chain, or an ice-ax, or me to move on to other artists lists (but I still can't yet play the way I can with Sarah, unless I am really high, since I have developed a persona on the list). Now all that is very run-on, but it is twenty to three and I should be off home soon. To sum it up, after my long period of solitude, I feel like a teenager again but unfortunately have the funny blocks to go with it, the sudden "cat got your tongue" syndrome (or is that fur-coated tongue syndrome, blood going to the wrong bits of the brain and elsewhere?). After that self-centred ramble, how are you doing with your depression problems? Has the summer weather/tan helped any in your case? >I haven't had a chance to read your reply to my >last Q/A session with you since we've had some troubles with the server at >school. But, now I'm hooked up at home and couldn't be happier about it! If you have lost the last reply or can't access it, let me know and I will dig it out and forward it to your new address. Thanks for being a supportive ear, and feel free to write again when you have the chance, I have a bit more time for personal stuff now that I'm off the fte list and still off my pendulum list. XXO... David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:418 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 1 May 1995 0:01:04 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: George Levy <102013.3126@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <950429180535_102013.3126_EHT118-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: fte:418 Subject: Re:And yet... Hi George; Here's a quick reply since it is getting close to the whiching hour. you wrote: >Oh... O.K. This is sad David, I'm pretty much falling into that "Obssessive" >trap you were talking about (I've even got my windows 3.1 wallpapered with a >picture of her). Uh oh! I tried that once with the "tree" picture and it looked great, also with mirror image tiling, so that some of the tiles were mirror imaged, but didn't leave it as my default since it would be too distracting (although it would cheer me up at times) plus I try to avoid being too obsessed, don't really act like an obsessed fan, and even have been playing her CDs less these days just to avoid getting hung up. If I was in a solid realtionship this would be less of a problem. >I've seriously got to get a life or get to see her in concert. You've never heard her in concert? But it might not be a wise thing to hear her in concert if you are a bit obsessed to begin with, since in concert she is even more magnetic, it must be those steel toes :-). Probably your best bet is to diversify your tastes, check out artists similar to her in music or outlook or looks, and spread the obsession thin. >I know this is sad and I should have outgrown platonic crushes a long time ago >but I'm a musician also Well, you can send her a demo tape and hope she picks you to open, or become a huge star in your own right and get her to do supporting vocals, like Blue Rodeo, but that would take a lot of hard work. >and everytime I hear one of her songs, I wish to heaven >I'd written it. I hope they inspire you to write some nearly as good! >I mean, Sarah's not a bad looking woman at all but she's not a >model either, it's the whole package that just floors me. Yes, there are lots of women out there who are just as good looking, but she has a great voice as well, and powerful dreams. And she kind of crept up on me, she wasn't more to me than just another great local artist the first few times I heard her, only when I went into the mystic beginning three days after her Aug. 28, 1991 (I think) concert did she begin to exert a strong influence on me, and only in the last year, with the list fumbling/inspirations, has she begun to infect my waking romantic dreams a fair bit. But I am realistic, and as Billy Joel would say, "it's just a fantasy" even on May Day. >Do they have >"Cyber-Therapy" out there for a poor fan with a restless heart? I think the FTE list helps, in that you are no longer alone, but part of a group of similar fans, and that takes the lonely edge off things. The group alt.support.ocd May help, or may offer pointers to other resources. There is also a very good OCD web page at http://mtech.csd.uwm.edu/~fairlite/ocd.html Now fan obsession is probably not OCD but may be related, so you might get some pointers from these. (Fan obsession may be more like the Pure Obsessive subset of OCD as defined in the Definitions subpage of the above web page.) I'll think about this some more later, partly for my own benefit (one option is to loan all my Sarah CDs to a friend who never gives back CDs, get off the FTE list, and hurl myself into my thesis and/or get a real job, get into a strong relationship, possibly move to a different locale, and then get the CDs back. But really, I'm not too obsessed, have never bothered her directly, and when I go high usually spend my time trying to save the world or something, not serenading Sarah, except indirectly through the fte list, which I am getting tired of. Actually I'm still kind of afraid to meet her because she'd probably think I was cold, aloof, cautious and boring, which I often am for periods at least on the outside.) But my biggest advice to you is to spread your passions, don't get too obsessed with one thing without surety, I think it is my web of interests that have kept me reasonably sane, except when I go too high and try to bridge them all at once. So I could easily burst into flame over Sarah, but try not to to avoid the almost certain Fall. David Message fte:419 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:29:53 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9505042024.AA22455@cc.brynmawr.edu> Message-ID: fte:419 Subject: Re:questions? Hi Cheryl; Here's a quick reply, since I have to run play softball and then head off-campus for yoga, but I'll write some more tomorrow (Friday) after dipping into my back files and online sources for more info. >I wanted to ask you about the differences between BPI and BPII. I think I >may be in a hypomanic phase (from what I gather on the list and from what >my pshrink and therapist tell me...BTW what exactly does pshrink stand >for?). I just am worried because you said that Prozac can push someone >previously not bp into a manic cycle if that person has the gene. For BPI you have to have had a full-blown manic episode and probably be hospitalized for it, or have done severe damage to your finances or relationships or something. For BPII the hypomania is manageable and there are more problems with depression. pshrink means, I think, prescribing psychiatrist, as opposed to a non-prescribing therapist/psychologist. If you are going hypomanic while on Zoloft and are not on a mood-stabilizer such as lithium, depakote, tegretol or verapimil then you should get your doctor to add one. I would suggest a low level of added lithium, e.g., a blood level of only 0.3 or 0.4 at the most, that will increase the antidepressant effect of the zoloft but guard against manic breakthroughs. Only raise the level if you have more intense hypomania even while on the lower levels. Watch for creativity effects and if they are bad then maybee try a different mood stabilizer. >I'm on Zoloft and recently have not been able to sit still or relax. Of >course, it's welcome, since it helps with the thesis and I seem happy for >the first time that I can ever remember. I've been taking it since April >1994. >I know it takes some time to "kick-in" and right about that time (Sept) I >started drinking more than I should. So, I don't know if that had any >affect in delaying the effects. But, I've been keeping drinks down to 1 or >2 a week for the past two months, and that's when I started to feel like I >am being pushed constantly to keep busy. Whew. > >Any suggestions or info? I'll stop for now. Add the low level lithium, drink more water, and make sure to keep a fairly regular wake time (+- 1 hour) even if the sleep is short. If the sleep drops to 4 hours or lower for two nights in a row, talk to your doctor, it is very important to not get sleep-deprived as that can cause psychosis. I will send more stuff tomorrow, good luck. And remember that usually a little manageable creative hypomania is not a bad thing, it is only when it gets out of hand or wears you out that it should be damped. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 "once I thought I saw you, in a crowded, hazy bar.."--[Neil Young] "...i have to turn my head until my darkness goes."--[Rolling STones] "shining like a precious jewel... people let the children rule"--[Bill Bourne] Message fte:420 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:18:41 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9505091507.AA01522@cc.brynmawr.edu> Message-ID: fte:420 Subject: Re:Re:questions? Hi Cheryl; >Hi David! Thanks for all the info and leads. I don't think I'm BPI. I >haven't experienced any episodes that extreme. Great, then you might just be classed as cyclothymic. Some things for you to look at are your thyroid function, blood sugar and maybe menstrual cycle correspondences. If your thyroid function is either outside normal range or towards the edge of normal range then you wouldd benefit from some medication such as Synthroid to centre the function. I also take kelp regularly although I ran out a while ago. If your blood sugar jumps up and down a lot you might be able to modify your diet to improve things. Also watch for other food sensitivities and allergies, try eliminating suspect things, or if you suspect an air problem, an air purifier/ionizer might help. I think chromium supplements (picolinate or GTF) may help with the blood sugar problems but haven't been taking that myself for a while. Some people say to avoid aspartame but others say it doesn't matter, usually I say to, as with food sensitivities, try giving it up and see if it helps. Since I went more towards vegetarian I think the intensity of my mood swings has been smoothed. If you notice any menstrual cycle (or multiple of) correspondence then there may be things that would help, some say that evening primrose oil helps. Also drink lots and lots of water, including some before bed since that gets you up early; dehydration can make you depressed, also if you drink less water you get fluidd retention (hoarding) which leads to weight gain. >> For BPII the hypomania is manageable >>and there are more problems with depression. > >This sounds more like me. Everything seems to go in cycles. Times I can't >function (obviously depression) and the times I can't stop (either "normal" >or maybe hypomanic...still working on that one). And it seems that >depression is around more often (then again, that may be grad school). I think that if the nutritional and other angles don't help you might try a low level of lithium increased gradually over about a month from 0 to 0.3 or 0.4 at the most, and reducing back to 0.3 if there are bad side effects. This low level has been shown (Himmelhoch May94 Psychiatric Annals, great review paper) to damp the highs without killing them and actually get rid of the depression. But you might not need it. What I have learned is not to burn myself out in the highs, not to ride them too far, but fade them out before the cliff, and also to catch early warning signs of oncoming depression and do everything I can to nip it in the bud. So if you start having some low energy morrnings with tendency to sleep in, it is imperative to reset the biological clock so that you get up within an hour of the same time each day. During the winter I use bright lights and a bedside fan/purfier/ionizer to help get me up. But lately I've been slipping a bit, and must get steadier in case of a high later this month, since the steadier I am going in to a high the nicer it is. >I always fight urges to overspend. My credit card balance is currently at >$4000. So do I, but it is tempting when I have plastic credit of about $7000, but I know I have no income yet so hold off. But this month I'll have to use them a bit since my student loan is delayed. And when I've gone high, instead of going on spending sprees and sexual escapades I've just played around with ideas/words/net/nature/etc. I think the nature of the high depends on what your base personality is, so someone who likes shopping usually will when high get loads of useless things or impractical things. >I'm in a relationship now, but I do get these wild thoughts about >finding someone new. I think I ended up in this relationship from my last >hypo phase! That can be bad news, some people are self-destructive in a hypomanic phase and go out with ssomeone they normally wouldn't consider. But on the other hand the outgoingness you have early in the phase lets you make openings that you normal wouldn't. Still, I think if I was to start a relationship I would like to start it in a normal stable phase, then maybe have it heat up in a high, which usually carries enhanced sexual fire with it, but not heat up to the point of destruction. >I want to get out, but I'm wondering if that is being slightly >manic. Running away at the first sign of a problem. It depends, did you also have these problems when you weren't manic? And if the relationship isn't reallly clicking on all levels, and seems to be going dowbnhill rather than uphill, try at least a trial separation, then when you are out of the hypomanicc phase give it some more careful thought. But of course I don't know you or your s.o. too well, so that's just a stab in the dark. But I do know that trying to hang on to a relationship when there isn't really one, where there is no fire, leads to more pain in the long run. Still, it could just be a short term down in the relationship, so you might want to give it a couple of more weeks, or try the trial separation thing. >Thoughts run through >my head constantly. Jumping from subject to subject, but I do feel like I >can keep up. But sometimes this can accelerate, and you forget to sleep. So make sure to get at least 4--5 hours sleep, and try to skim the ideas, take the best of them, and let the rest flow through you like a river, and some of those will pop out later on after beeing digested. >Well, I'm still workning on it. I talked to my pshrink and he says I'm >probably just feeling better and that the Z will give me energy. Oh right, I forgot about the Zoloft. Did you tell him about the cascade of ideas, and reduced sleep, if any? If the Z is only partially working then the addition of 0.3 mEq/l lithium should enhance it and prevent the highs from getting out of hand. If Zoloft triggers a manic episode without a mood stabilisser it can lead to rapid cycling which takes years to stabilise (just ask Joy Ikelman, whose e-mail address I gave you, that is what happened to her). He could be right, but keep tracking your mood/energy just in case. >Thanks for the info! You are most welcome! >How was softball? And yoga? I actually missed softball that day, and had a bad game with my other team on the weekend, but will make up for it tomorrow and Sunday, I hope. Yoga went well, I'm still really tight in the hips but improving on the inverted poses, and she did a useful "chakra opening sequence", I didn't notice any effects on the 2nd or solar plexus chakras but felt a definite flow for the heart chakra, in fact when we started that chakra not only did I feel the river type flow but also a sudden twinge (not spark) around the top of the right buttock, which was odd. But I didn't experience any sparks (I have before, both in yoga class, around a table, and in a pub, most seem to be induced by women, although none have caught fire lately :-). I do Iyengar yoga, a form of Hatha yoga, and find it very stabilising, should practice it more at home but don't much. But I recommend that, or perhaps Tai Chi, as a help in mood stabilization. I don't do meditation by itself, just some in between the strenuous poses and at the end, and some "visualizations" as part of everyday living. >Do you play any musical >instruments (your cd player does not count! BTW, is it working yet since >Kate ate it?). Not yet, but will try someday soon, I've been watching lots, but haven't learned any theory at all yet. Plus maybe in my family it skips generations, like the illness. (Not really, our generation is just part of the jukebox generation, and there was no gap from my grandmothers [both Mary, both played button accordion] to me since my father played mandolin and fiddle and my mother probably sang a bit.) So that is one of the umpteen things I've been putting off until I finish, and starting so late I'll probably never be a travelling minstrel. I did "play" the sound board (an 8-channel) for 3.5 years, and enjoy that, but am not always good at it, and am passing on those duties to others, who I may help train, since I definitely wouldn't be able to do it in September and even now must either try to finish up or get a job and shelve the doctorate, if I am to finish up I should seriously move to 12--14 hour days/7-day weeks and wouldn't have time for music or social life or sports or anything. No, there must be a happy medium. The non-portable CD player is still not working, but I think the one that Kate ate was the portable Sony one when the battery pack when dead, and for that one I have jiggled the adaptor (where it goes into the player) a bit so the charging light comes on, and it has been working fine. Still I am careful not to move it much for now. So do you play a musical instrument? And I know you write, but forget if it is poetry, prose or technical writing? Are you getting more done now that you are a bit up, or just getting lots of ideas for future writing? I know that I do some ok stuff when high but most of it is random snippets that are best worked into something better in a normal mood, and with some of the grunt work/trivial editing done when in a slightly low mood. But high is best for brainstorming, that's for sure. And do you play any sports? I find that the regular exercise and fresh air and sun really help my mood stability and sleep, but unfortunately softball and yoga aren't very aerobic so will probably try some badminton again soon, and walking and maybee even jogging (haven't done that regularly since Sept87). I have a tiny lithium-induced (more than beer) "buddha" belly and should keep it from moving any further, into Junior (the movie) domains :-). Still, my weight hasn't changed by more than 5 pounds up or down from 175lb since 1980. >Take care, Thanks, you too, I feel great so far this week, steady, non-analytical, and mood hasn't dropped despite some setbacks. Write again when you get a chance, and I hope the Zoloft works out. David Message fte:421 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 22:47:32 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199502150411.WAA24262@mail.utexas.edu> Message-ID: fte:421 Subject: Robson Street Hi Sarah; you wrote: >so I better had get cracking. It's cold here and I must go and turn the >heat on. A miracle, Texas being cold! Yet I have seen stranger things in >my life. We have a miracle here as well, this year we have had cold and snow in both November and February, which is a first for me since I arrived in 1985. But I think rain will wash away all the ice and snow tomorrow, or soon after. I guess Texas isn't this cold, and isn't this wet. Snow itself is a miracle, few flakes the same, even if you can fish a single one out of the air to examine it. > Have a nice day and thank you again for your help----greatly >appreciated. You are most welcome, cool Texan. >p.s. Is the area downtown on Robson St. a nice area (about the 1400 >block)? Just curious. I almost missed this p.s. (and wouldn't have replied) because it was off the edge of my screen after the blank lines. But I have done that to people too often myself. Anyway, my number and visual memory is pretty bad, but I think that area is the Vancouver art gallery, home to great Emily Pratt paintings, and I once saw some by the Group of Seven, a tour of work by Edvard Munsch, and with steps that are a good central downtown spot to meet someone. I looked in my sysadmin John Amor's phone book but it has an address on Hornby so I'm not sure. I have some fond memories of the area in that they used to hold First Night festivities there, with lots of outdoor concerts at New Year, and I remember one in particular in which we had snow quite similar to today's. So, yes, it is a nice area, especially when it is not too crowded, or when the crowd is all together with the music, but not during the Stanley Cup riot last year, which I worked through on the computer not knowing anything was happening. I may even be in that area tonight but right now am leaning towards heading home and getting cozy, I don't feel like dealing with crowds and strangers tonight, it is a night for home and heart, slippers, candles, chocolate and red wine, firmings not beginnings (although I guess be-ginnings lead to as many beginnings as beg-innings). Lots of love on V day, from N->S, David Message fte:422 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 1:23:30 UTC-0800 From: David Dalton To: [confirm] Message-ID: fte:422 Subject: snow, etc. Hi again, I mentioned before that we got snow here in early November for the first time since I moved here in 1985, snow in both November and February for the first time, and now a little snow in March for the first time ever. It's strange to have all those blossoms in the snow. But of course it is all melted now, like an ice cube accidentally dropped in a hot toddy. I bet you have blossoms a'plenty there, sniff one for me. There are a fair number of people from utexas on my two mailing lists, including a guy named David D. Moody, oddly enough. Do you know him, or any of the others below? I won't mention the lists or any info from their posts since they might not want that known off the lists, but if you know them you could ask if they know me through the net. I am not in e-mail dialogues with any of them, though (I may have been with Weevey quite a few months ago) and won't mention you on the lists, naturally. ifDD551@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Mike Olivier cassidymoody@mail.utexas.edu (David D. Moody) dmf@mail.utexas.edu (David Frentrup) toughguy@mail.utexas.edu toughguy@mail.utexas.edu weevey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu kyle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu kyle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu tgonzale@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Thomas Gonzales --- David D. (not moody tonight, just nice and mellow after two pints of beer, two cups of tea, and about 15 games of half decent pool, against two "lawyers in love" and others. Inconsistent shooting, banks mostly off for a change, combinations more on for a change, but lucky leaves and lots of flukes, tonight --- that sounds like a whale dressed in four leaf clovers :-) or is that fig-leafed sea lovers.) Message fte:423 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:46:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: "Chris Guerra" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:423 Subject: Re:"Hi, I'm Hugo. Remember me?" Hi Chris; you wrote: >No, actually I'm not Hugo. That's from this old "The Jeffersons" episode. >For some reason, that line has stuck in my head forever. I guess I'll always >remember Hugo. Oh, the first thing I thought of was Hug-O and wondered if you read my recent short post to rec.music.tori-amos, then the second connection was to Victor Hugo, who I haven't read yet. >Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I've been a good bit preoccupied lately. >It's a tumultuous period of many changes. Just have some practical matters >that are rather inchoate at the moment, and that's been demanding my >attentions. Oh, that's OK, I haven't been on as much lately anyway. And since late last night I've been a bit down, I think I got dehydrated a bit, and four pints of beer didn't help, and sleeping to 3:30 p.m. didn't help (although yesterday, with the change in the weather to a bit of rain, I woke around 8 after 4 hours and was watching for a high, but that looks unlikely now, plus I plan to keep my Li level up until I get a level done Wed lunchtime. Also I have a doc appointment tomorrow afternoon and will get a six week supply of Li, and often I go high after a doctor's appointment, or well before, never right on.) Inchoate! That's a good word, leads to all kind of stuff. But I hope you get your practical matters well in hand. >I hope you're doing well. fte's gone to hell in a handbasket without your >stabilizing influence tying it down securely to the clouds. Well, it's not >quite fallen apart just yet, but just you wait. Has it slowed right down, or are people getting into bored flame wars again? It doesn't take much to stir it up. I bet it will come back on track when the mini-tour starts, and bet much discussion now is on ticket purchasing/trading and the like. I may rejoin when the tour starts but right now (due to the mild down) it looks unlikely. >Anyhow, I lost the momentum of the moment of our previous exchange, but >that's okay. We (at least me) were getting sort of rambly anyway, and overly long and hard to read, so it is probably best to start fresh. >I'm sure you're pretty busy-scattered yourself. Should be but no, I've been slack as usual. >Just wanted to >say hihihi and let you know your message wasn't lost in the ethers, unlike my >sense of concentration seems to be! Hey, a tri-hi! hihihi back, with that old triangle echo! >Oh, and mine aren't really wise words. Those who think they are wise, often are fools, those who can take their own words with a grain of slat, and sometimes feel like fools, are often wise, and readier to take a risk of intuition. I have to go get some food in me, it looks like chinese so I'd better wwatch that MSG, but right now I need some seafood and vegies. Lots of water earlier helped but I bet I will perk up later after food, and if so may send you another note with some perkiness. David Message fte:424 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:32:37 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:424 SIGNOFF fumbling-towards-ecstasy Message fte:425 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:35:20 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:425 Subject: sayonara it's another break (mug-up) time for me, i'm getting bored with all the fumbling leading nowhere, so see you in a while, maybe when the tour starts. DD'alton Message fte:426 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:07:03 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:426 SUB fumbling-towards-ecstasy David Dalton Message fte:427 - Read Delivery-date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:31:02 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Fri Jul 14 14:27:17 1995" Send-date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:26:26 UTC-0700 From: Authorizing-Users: To: David Dalton Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:427 Subject: Your message to listserv@www.set.gov.bc.ca >Errors-To: listmom@www.set.gov.bc.ca >Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Ean X.400 to MIME gateway) >X-Listserver: Macjordomo - A Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes >Precedence: Bulk Hi there! Thanks for subscribing to the sarah-tour mailing list. If you need to unsubscribe to the list please send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE sarah-tour" to listserv@www.set.gov.bc.ca. You can get a list of the commands and the options that this listserver accepts by sending a message with "HELP" in the body of a message to listserv@www.set.gov.bc.ca. You're not allowed to post to the list (it's a one-way-only thing, hah!), but if you have some feedback for Cathy, Jurgen or Angela (or Cassiel the PowerBook), you can get in touch with them at cassiel@www.set.gov.bc.ca if you want to ask a question or make a comment, or just say hi. We're going to try to check the mail once every day or so. If you're coming to one of the concerts, be sure to come by one of the multimedia tents and say hi to us. We'll be taking pictures, making videos and writing eMail (as well as showing off Sarah's excellent "Freedom Sessions" CD Plus!) Drop by! (Jurgen likes chocolate, Cathy likes soup, and no one except Angela knows what Angela likes...) This is where we'll be ......... and when: New Haven (Palace Theatre) July 14 Long Island (Jones Beach) July 15 Homedale (Garden States Arts) July 17 Boston (Great Woods) July 18 Columbia (Merriweather Post) July 19 Pittsburgh (Starlake) July 20 Philadelphia (Mann Music Centre) July 21 Columbus (Polaris) July 22 Cincinnati (Riverbend) July 24 Chicago (Tinley Park) July 25 Indianapolis (Deer Creek) July 26 St. Louis (Riverport) July 27 Memphis (Mud Island) July 28 Atlanta (Lake Wood) July 29 Dallas (Starplex) July 31 Houston (Cynthia Woods) August 1 We hope to see you out there! bye bye... jurgen, cathy & angela cassiel@www.set.gov.bc.ca -------------------- Message fte:428 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:46:36 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:428 REV fumbling-towards-ecstasy REV fte-digest Message fte:429 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 1:25:32 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:429 Subject: June contest recipe OK, this isn't my favourite recipe for joy, since I wanted to give you something of my own rather than something taken from a cookbook or clipping, even if slightly modified as I tend to do. And I rarely use recipes for anything except most desserts. I have come up with far weirder combinations (along the lines of sugar and spice and everything nice for main course and snails and puppy dog tails for dessert, actually it must have been the other way around.) So anyway, this is close to what I ate June 7--8, 1995, and it is a first-time recipe. If I think of a simpler and weirder (but not vulgar) one I will send it along later. The recipe is exactly as I did it, but I have suggested possible changes and substitutions in the margin, and the cook should of course use her/his own judgment and taste to fine-tune the base recipe, even simplify it if desired. Caraway Maple Walnut Pesto Pasta (or Billy Goat Pesto Pasta) ---------------------------------- Ingredients ------------------ 3 oz butter 2 tblsp olive oil (cheap is ok) 1/2 tsp caraway seed 1 tsp finely chopped or grated orange peel 2 slices large sweet white onion (or one small onion) 1 celery stalk (or two inside small ones) 1 largish clove of garlic (tsp size?) or two small [Grrr-ail] 1/2 cup walnut pieces some chopped fresh spinach, say 1/2 bunch, or 1 cup chopped 1/4 bunch of parsley (say 1/4 cup chopped, mainly for smell while chopping?) 1/2--1 tsp (wing it) fresh ground black pepper 1/4 tsp ground nutmeg 1 envelope of Mayacamas basil (plain) pesto [or make from scratch] 1 flat tblsp of unbleached white flour 1/2 cup plain yoghurt (e.g., Olympic) 1 tsp balsamic vinegar 1 tsp cider vinegar (red wine might work too) 1 tsp demera (or other) brown sugar (actually maple syrup might be better?) 1 cup goats milk (or 3/4 cup homo milk & 1/4 cup dry white white?) 375 g package Catelli spinach fettuccini pasta Directions ------------ Begin to heat up water in a goodly enough size pot for the pasta. (In another pot, put on some vegetables for the side if you like.) Melt the butter in a large frying pan, preferably deep cast iron. Add the olive oil. Saute the caraway seed and orange peel for one minute while chopping the onion. Add the onion for one minute while finely chopping the garlic. Add that for one minute while chopping the celery. Add the celery for 2 more minutes, while chopping the walnut pieces if they aren't already, but not too finely. Saute for 2-3 minutes more, in the meantime chop the washed fresh spinach, add that for a minute with a lid on, then stir in the parsley, black pepper, nutmeg, cider vinegar, balsamic vinegar, and maple syrup or brown sugar. Turn off the heat, and remove the pan if you have a electric or wood stove rather than gas, so the heat is truly off. Have a sip of wine if you have any, and put on a new CD if necessary. Add the spinach fettucini to the boiling pasta water. Then mix the flour with the contents of the pesto envelope, and add to the frying pan, stirring quickly with a favourite fork (I used an old family one with roses on it, and may have added another tblsp of olive or sunflower oil here). Then immediately stir in the yoghurt, followed by the goat's milk or substitute. Bring to a boil, reduce to a simmer, and simmer for maybe a minute. Then turn the heat off and put the lid on, it will thicken a bit more while the pasta finishes cooking to al dente. When this is done, either mix with the sauce or pour the sauce over it as you prefer. [If you are making a large quantity and some will be left over, then it may be best to use rotini pasta instead, cook quite al dente, don't put the flour in the sauce, mix the hot pasta with the sauce, let stand for 5-10 minutes before serving to thicken, and the leftover stuff won't be as doughy. I served it with some vegetables (cauliflower, a bit more spinach, turnip and carrots) on the side. If you are an artistic sort you might want to garnish it with some of the walnuts and parsley or whatever you like, given that the dish is greenish perhaps some edible rose petals would work. And I think the white wine and maple syrup would help it, next time I make it it will be better (but I always say that, even if good).] Vegans would probably transform the butter to more olive oil, and the goat's milk to something like (1/4 cup white wine + 1/4 cup beer + 1/4 cup soya milk + 1/4 cup cold green tea + 1/2 tsp miso), and replace the yoghurt with some magic mushrooms, pureed, say 1/4 cup, and the parsley with pot, but I don't plan to test this. David D. p.s. don't forget the Holy Grrr-ail (french?) and in geophysics, p means slowness, but that reciPe takes not much more than 10 minutes, unless you want to take your time for that special someone. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:430 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 23:43:17 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:430 Subject: coffee roomy fo'castle garden stickers I've re-subscribed but plan to mostly lurk, and in my rare posts stay mostly on topic, with far fewer details of my boring personal life, except for the update below. (What's an up date?) I was just in the G&A coffee room and someone has left a copy of the Frank magazine with Sarah on the cover. What a trashy magazine! And they didn't even get her on a bad hair day, for the true Medusa effect. :-) I shouldn't talk, with a mild hangover, unshaven and in glasses right now, plus it might be dangerous as werehouse time approaches, without any Ag bullets. But the mild hangover hasn't caused any nasty effects mood wise, indeed it seems to have continued the process of blinkering/returning to normal, so that the focus forming (without my volition) has tapered to bearable/normal levels, i.e., the universe is no longer acting like a small child and saying "look at this, what does this mean", every two seconds, leading me out of some maze (or into some maize?), but is now operating on me at a more leisurely pace, unless some surprise is in store. So I can sit back and let someone else worry about reading the entrails of modern media for a change, and enjoy the tea without worrying about the tea leaves except to compost them (but I don't have a compost pile at my place, uh oh). Also I was reading the Saturday Globe and Mail and was pissed off to find that someone had stolen the Focus section. But there was an article about a gardener named Sarah Cook in the Travel section. Have you all sent in your June contest entries? I sent in a pasta dish, although probably should have sent in a dessert or chowder recipe instead, for peak bliss. Inside the FS liner notes I have stuck three stickers from my lithium bottle: Take with plenty of water next to Mary; Take with FOOD (with the D cut to look like an L) next to Ol' 55; and May Cause Drowsiness next to the soft Hold On. The last couple of days I had left a fading wild rose next to Sarah's nose, but it is all dried up (the rose) now, plus I put the CD away. On the outside I have a Spartan (so she has a tan?) BC apple sticker (I use those [or Macs] to label BC artists), and I think one other sticker that I forget. OK, now I'm back in benign lurk mode, here and on alt.music.s-mclachlan, the new D. And I would be off to Jeff Healey or Amanda Hughes but kind of overdid it last night so will go home and play (some) Sarah instead. I'm singing in the rain! (The headache is gone, but not the head yet, although a neck rub would be lovely.) Did I miss anything juicy and on-topic since May 28? David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:431 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:52:57 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9506120333.AA15417@sun> Message-ID: fte:431 Subject: Re:coffee roomy fo'castle garden stickers Mike S. wrote: >Dalton (!!) wrote: >> Did I miss anything juicy and on-topic since May 28? > >Oh, just a great flame war started by guess who.. But sometimes a flame war is more fun than a dead list. >Is it just me, or are your posts starting to make more and more sense >these days? You'd better watch those all-nighters, Mike, look what they did to me. But I guess I'm moving into a new phase, getting bored with the confucius/joyce stream stuff, and looking for new shapes to play with. (After all, it is full moon after midnight tonight, and year low tide tomorrow at 12:20 p.m., a good time to talk spanish. The year hi tide was around winter solstice.) Oh, and the other sticker on the outside was "Organic", on the back of the jewel box. :-) David D Message fte:432 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:51:07 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950611225830_68809819@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:432 Subject: booze, broths and brass Hi Marvin; you wrote: >Glad to see you back. Thanks, and I'm glad to be back, as long as it lasts, plus it looks as though the list is gaining character. >I never know if you are serious or if you are joking >so i'm concerned. I hope that you are not taking lithium and drinking. This >is very dangerous. Actually that is a semi-myth. Lithium and alcohol both go through the kidneys, and alcohol (and caffeine) acts as a dehydrating factor, so it is merely important to make sure to drink extra water. It is risky if you drink to the point of throwing up and hence get dehydrated, or if your lithium level is above 1.0 and near the toxic zone. My level is more like 0.55. However my overall consumption is probably a third of what it was 10 years ago, plus I make sure not to drink on an empty stomach, in a low or too high mood, or too close to sleep, and also to drink extra water. So Friday (when I had seven-ish pints, two fresh strawberry daquiris and a glass of beer) was rather unusual and stupid for me. Given that a few days ago I dropped down from 6 Li to 5 or 4, and that it is getting into summer time, I intend to reduce my drinking even further, my winter limit was about 4 pints but my summer limit should be 3 pints (which I did last night). Also I will try not to drink on successive days. >If you really are on lithium, I hope you are not skipping >it to drink. >You're a PhD student for God's sake, Unless I have a major breakthrough soon, I won't be one much longer, for my sake! >don't be stupid. just me >being fatherly. Thanks, dad. I'll take your advice to heart since my best highs have not been induced by booze (but sometimes lubricated by social quantities) whereas my worst mixed periods and depressive periods have been induced by alcohol or once marijuana. So I should stick to vegetable mash instead of sour mash, to soup pot instead of pot, to cocoa instead of coke O, and mainly to my favourite drug, which is live music (especially Sarah). She helped induce my biggest high, when I was not on lithium, and that time there was virtually no booze involved (Aug. 28, 1991, I had some PNE little doughnuts and maybe 1--2 pints at the WISE, then on the Saturday had one pint at the Vineyard, and one bottle at the Pitt Gallery before going into the stratosphere, beginning with a 3:30 shower of ideas in the shower). But she's mellowed out a bit, right. So anyway, a small amount of alcohol seems to be OK for me, but too much can cause problems. Sometimes it is more the second hand smoke over many hours (2 hrs isn't bad, but 4 can be) that does me in later in the wee hours or the next day, or the dehydration, so I now am extra careful to drink water between each beer, or if that isn't easy (like at the Commodore here in town) drink extra before going and extra when I get home. But if I want to lower my lithium dose or get off it I should really give up the sauce, maybe excepting one glass of wine with special meals. Also for someone newly on lithium (like I was in 91/92) and/or on a high level I would recommend abstinence. And given that my toughest time of the year has tended to be from mid-June to mid-September, maybe I'll give it up then and get in shape. So far this year things have been mild or slightly low, with the exception of the early January long post thing, which was post new moon, and I have been attributing that to the low solar activity, and postulating without being sure that I will be safer for a while, and that now I should avoid booze from a day or two before new moon to maybe five days after, up until the end of 1994 there were more problems with the week before full moon. Now that I was getting mixed problems the days after new moon, I have been hoping for some good things right after full moon, but nothing has happened so far. So my mood tracking of 09/91 to 09/94 (in which I had more highs before new moon and mixed periods before full moon) seems to have gone out the window, and the thing to do is be very moderate all the time, and be very self observant in terms of sleep and energy and mood and introversion/extroversion until I can figure out what the hell is going on in the longer term (11, 22 year sunspot cycle). It will also probably help to live with others and get the sleep cycle properly regulated, so will look into that when I finish up (or just go home for a visit and let my young nieces get me back on track, the only problem with that is the jet lag and weather jump coming back, as on Jan. 9/94 [I had my best, smooth high Jan. 5--8, 94]). Oh, that was a ramble, partly talking to myself again, but once again thanks for the concern and after the headache early Saturday I will surely avoid having more than three pints in the near future (so I'll just have one again tonight at last call at the Railway, or one of Natasha's famous hot chocolates [actually Keith will be on]), depending on how tired I am after laundry. David D. Message fte:433 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:59:08 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950612110625_93205258@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:433 Subject: foxy chieftainess Hi Cheryl; >As my account was reading in the new messages (it doesn't show who sent >them), I saw your subject line and said "that MUST be David!". I'm so glad >you're back! Great to be back! I guess my subject lines are like hooks, more a collection of keywords at times, and often too long, but at least they stick out. :-) >The only thing you may have missed is that Sarah taped something with the >Chieftans which will be aired on The House of Blues soon. I'll look up the >date if you don't have it. I saw that in the Georgia Straight, but left it home and forget the time, just that it will be on Fox. It might be tonight, I will check a GS in the pile at the GC (grad centre) and if so persuade the bartender (GH) to stick it on, although if hockey is on he'll probably tell me to take a flying f. >Anyway, late for scholl (hmm, I mean school). Dr.? I have a reflexologist friend who has three of my CDs from a year ago, I should phone her to get my feet done, observe for pointers, and by the way get the CDs back (I have loaned out at least ten, some faves, none Sarah that I should get back for completeness). >Yay! You're back! Yeah, but it looks like the list has picked up some more character so that I won't have to shoulder the load of creative zaniness all the time through the tour/album breaks. E-see you, David Message fte:434 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:17:20 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Jason In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:434 Subject: flames and games Hi Jason; >Well, just a friendly advise... I don't think you'd want to resurrect >the general hostility that was raised while you were gone. I haven't had >the opportunity to read everything thoroughly, but most of the people >were REALLY offended by what John Sheprad said. John was so offensive, that >not a single person posted to defend him. I fear that some of the >hostility and anger still lingers about. I think that it would be in >your best interest not to poke your head into the matter, for people may >transfer the still lingering hostility toward you. Oh no, not again, it seems every time I go away hostilities break out, the last time it was the vegetarian flame war. I didn't realize how bad it had gotten. But some flame wars are more along the line of friendly banter, so both sides really know it is a game. However it seems that John dipped into the offensive realm again while I was away. >hmmmm... now that I read over the comments I've said, I don't think I >souded convincing enough. To give you an idea of how bad things were, >people have permanently put John in their Killfile so that they'll never >receive an another e-mail from him ever again, and Lane of Nettwerk >actually told him off in spades. Hmmm..., now you have me curious, maybe I will grab the recent archive files when I have some time, but I won't try to keep any of the flame thread alive by posting a late reply. >Try to assess your situation before you leap.... :) Thanks, I'm between a rock and a soft place (if outdoors, or was that a tree?) but not on the cliff yet unless I'm blind. >Well, talk to you later! have fun playing pool! Thanks, wish I could swim! But I'll stick to the shallow end, not the deep end. David Message fte:435 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:03:40 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9506140053.AA22024@sun> Message-ID: fte:435 Subject: Hawaii 5-5 & naked starfish (was Re: Sarah Trivia) Mike Sugimoto wrote: >I had a friend ask me today about Sarah's covers, either live, booted or >recorded. I ratted off the usual ones (Solisbury Hill, Dear God, Ol' 55) I think her covers are listed in the one of the FAQs floating around, but she has done Blue, Song For a Winter's Night, and What Lies Beyond a Mud Lark in the Morning (?). >and then she asked me about a song called Hawaii that her friend heard on >the radio and is sure Sarah recorded it. Perhaps your second-hand friend heard the "Oh Why..." on Vox and thought it was Hawaii? Peel, eh. :-) David D. p.s. I saw two gorgeous purple starfish (5 tentacles each) on the low tide exposed spanish banks west beach today, plus lots of clamholes and crabs and seagulls and logs and found an old glass (bottle), way out, that was full of sand/etc, and put it near where I did my old sundance/climb on Sept. 5/6 '91, inverted on a rock, but it wouldn't empty all the way, so there! Plus I threw 55c in silver and 4 pennies into the wishing well of the low tide deep drop-off zone, wishing for love all round. My only souvenir is a maple leaf from a fallen tree on the tower trail (and some mud). Message fte:436 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:52:10 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HRO4XCK9TU00DNSV@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:436 Subject: Re: Squid delurks! Squid wrote: >Oh, man, am I ever glad to see you! I think right now you're the >only longtimer here who hasn't either a) unsubbed, or b) >placed "jrshepar@indyvax" in their killfile. But many people like your posts when you aren't in flame-bait mode, and those are the ones who don't have you in your kill file. I am in many twit-filters as well, but wouldn't care to have those people reap the subtle health benefits of my posts anyway. :-) >I still can't get over that thing about Sarah not washing her >hair. Considering the problems I've been having lately with my >hair, and I'm not normally one to give a shit about my hair >condition, that gives you an idea how shitty my hair must look >lately; and meanwhile Sarah looks picture-perfect if her hair's >not even washed! Life must be easy if one's a Goddess... :-) Way back in early January, along with the papal castrato sex change thing I also (or maybe later) had the mixed up thought that she is really bald like a cue ball, and albino, and uses different wigs and makeup. And in that state I said that even if she was like that I would still fall for her. But the Nettwerk 10th Anniversary concert sort of blew those thoughts away. (Maybe she has gills, though?). But really, women are cooler headed than guys which explains why they live longer and go bald slower and need to wash their hair less often especially when they aren't having any real exercise, just hackysack and stage stuff, which isn't hard at all, right? :-) >I said it before Ann Arbor. I said it before "Forgive me," which >you should be glad you missed. I said it before I got fired >today. Oh, shit, sorry to hear that John, are you taking some time off to get things back in order, or jumping back into the consultancy/job field? Right now you seem reasonable, so I am tempted to grab the recent archive to see what all the fuss was about. But one bad post can set the tone for a whole thread. I have learned the hard way when I should stay off the computer and stick to being a homebody (cook/sleep/hug it out of my system?) >>Inside the FS liner notes I have stuck three stickers from my > >Isn't it sacrilege to put stickers on, or in any way deface or >damage, a Sarah CD liner? Ha, ha, I've even spilled milk (or was it OJ or tea rings) on liners before, they make good coasters (but I have some really nice crane coasters now). I think they are a work of art in progress, and often make little additions, I won't tell you about the FTE one, it is juvenile. Also with ccomments and stickers and the like, sometimes I am less inclined to loan them out for fear of embarassment. But a guy moved into my office with a PowerMac and good CD-Rom and pre-installed QuickTime so I may bring in the FS and loan it to him, then try it out later at night (I still haven't reviewed the CD-ROM portion, just the audio.) >>sticker that I forget. Organic, next to the track list, on the back. >>Did I miss anything juicy and on-topic since May 28? > >Heh heh heh heh... juicy? Definitely. On-topic? I thought it >was. More than that, I will leave you guessing. OK, if I stay really bored in the next day or so I will get you to send me your archive, but comment on it only off the list. >And mine are making less and less sense. He's draining my >coherence. Focus! Focus! (Actually soft and fuzzy is fine.) [I have lost some attributions below here for >>, >>>] >>> soul and deeply sweet personality. I could go on for volumes about >>> how cool she is, about how she went unrecgonized in the crowd earlier >>> in the day, playing hacky sac with her fans, > >I'd have probably recognized her. Of course, I'd have _had_ to >put on one helluva poker face... maybe since I don't play hacky >sack, I shouldn't worry. Back in the fall of 91 (I think) at the dance thingie at the Commodore, and not terribly long after my world had gone awry and the medical profession had then whacked me on the head with sledgehammer amounts of meds, I thought I recognized Sarah on the dance floor with friends while Jim Byrnes was playing blues and was going to pretend not to recognize her and then approach her but at that stage I wasn't able to approach any attractive woman, let alone her, and anyway at the time wasn't quite as fallen for her as I am now, except in the sense that she had been one of the major sparks for my mystic break and I was still wondering how her voice and lyrics could move me so, even more than any of my Newfoundland favourites (at least at the start, but they sustained me through the Long Night on the hill). Besides, the dance floor was sparsely populated and the crowd faded too quickly for my far eastern sensibilities. Before that I had been in rooms (Railway, W.I.S.E.) with her and not been hung up but not felt the desire or need to invade her private space, or maybe she looked too young back then (she is still a bit too young, but maybe she can grow out of it eventually, and that is bullshit anyway, really my friends would go "pssst, that's sarah mclachlan over there, behind you, and I would spin my head partially and surreptitiously, not spot her at all, then turn back and nod my head blasely, and studiously avoid staring, but pinken?). Solace whomped me into the spirit plane, but only with FTE and this stupid list did I get myself hooked! Since then I have been in a room with her at least once but there is the old gridlock of the brain now, I am gone way too deep for any silly trite first words, and still fear to offend, so in the "crystal words of wisdom" have continued to "Let it be" so far. >>Y'know...it MIGHT have been Sarah that kicked me in the head while I was >>playing hacky by the teepee...no, my mistake, I kicked myself in the head >>(I'm just learning and not very good even for a beginner)! :-) > >I do good to _watch_ hacky sac without getting injured. Is it good training for self-defense or dance? Do you wear a jock? Can Sarah open a bottle of champagne with her toes? If so then I guess it is a useful sport. David p.s. JS, are you a Red Wing fan? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:437 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:04:23 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:437 Subject: Re: Hello there! Nicole Eva wrote: >hi! this is my first post since before christmas; Welcome back, Nicole, and there are lots of new "faces" to meet! >anyway, i felt the need to speak up after the last post. i'm sorry, i >don't remember the name and unfortunately my reply function does not work >very well, or else i don't know how to use it properly, but it is in >regards to the covers that Sarah has done. i thought i had everything , >but i have heard of neither 'dear god' or 'hawaii'! could someone fill >me in? I think Dear God is a cover of an XTC song that she did over the Christmas tour break, and is on a tribute or benefit album. Hawaii is a new theme song for the Hawaii Club Med ad, replacing the old Hands Up. The ad features Sarah singing while playing hackysack and juggling some more hackysacks with a beach volleyball game in the background. (Actually all that about Hawaii is BS, I think it was a mishearing [related to a missing earring?] of the "Oh Whyyyee" in Vox. And there is a band called the Whyos but I haven't heard them yet.) >i also caught the end of the abortion flame war. not wanting to begin >the argument, could someone just let me know what happened? from what i >gathered, sarah is pro-choice. correct? where did she say this? thanks. I don't remember seeing it in the chat or interviews or FAQs or hearing it on stage, and am too lazy to surf through my files and web contacts right now. Maybe people on the list who were involved in the debate simply extrapolated from her other known causes, and this is a matter she would prefer to keep private or wait to address it in an appropriate forum. (I have mixed feelings on abortion, I am indeed pro-choice, but think it should be as early as possible, first trimester, probably even the first period cycle, and that technology should be improved to allow freezing of embryos and even tiny fetuses so that they could be adopted by women having difficulty in conceiving, or saved until the conception mother, e.g., a teen, is in a life situation where she feels ready to have it. That would satisfy both sides, and the woman having the abortion would be less likely to suffer psychological trauma. Also better birth control methods must be developed and rape eliminated somehow, pro-lifers should work on that and the embryo freezing technology to provide a clear option rather than being totally confrontational. It would be great if magic [of working together] and the power of love could bring this about. I've done all I can on my own.) But given the flame war (when you get heated, chew ice, to satisfy the biting urge, stop the tongue, and cool down) let's keep this off the list, as I should have. >finally, there was a message about sarah being on some tv show with the >chieftains onthe 23 &/or 24th. does anyone know if this will be >broadcast in canada? A weekly Vancouver entertainment paper published last Thursday said that it would be broadcast on Fox on the 22nd. However, in a post to alt.music.s-mclachlan today Nettwerk (I think Cathy but forget) said that it would not be broadcast in Canada but on the 23rd and 24th on the House of Blues on the Turner Broadcasting Network, at 9 p.m. PDT. David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:438 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 0:33:35 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199506140525.AA196197524@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: fte:438 Subject: what lies blonde (was Re:Hawaii 5-5 & starfish) I (DD) wrote: >> I think her covers are listed in the one of the FAQs floating >> around, but she has done Blue, Song For a Winter's Night, >> and What Lies Beyond a Mud Lark in the Morning (?). Arnold replied: >From the Nettwerk Sampler III that it was featured on (and, apparently, the >only place where it exists), it seemd to imply that she wrote What >Lies Beyond ... if not, then who did and who was the original? Oh, I was joking above but forgot the smiley, I think she wrote What Lies Beyond too and will check the tape that I got for $1 at the Nettwerk Shop when I get home. < :-) > And really it wasn't Mudlark in the Morning, but Morning Has Broken, with her fifth grade class, I heard her across the water. :-) What was that October band name again? Reminds me of a Hallowe'en dance in elementary school, before I turned into a callow morose teen. October will be a total eclipse in parts of the world, in late October, I think India, not sure about Hawaii. :-) --------- David, 12:27 a.m. Wednesday, soon off to catch the 12:42, o tempted to get something sinfully chocolatey at Benny's but probably will toddle home for some jam on pumpernickel, hot cocoa or CS tea, and a dab of yoghurt (orally, for that sweet breath, now it's not 'cause I haven't brushed since this morning.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth sciences doctoral student, --- --- 3-2406 W. 5th Ave, Vancouver, BC, V6K 1S8, Canada (604) 733-1303 Message fte:439 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 0:49:10 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199506140559.PAA20852@werple.mira.net.au> Message-ID: fte:439 Subject: Re: OutreGas prices! Dan wrote: >>So I decide to go see her once more. Almost $40 a ticket?!? >>Come on folks, this is ridiculous. Add to that TM fees and >>we're up around $150 for 3 tickets. Neil replied: >Yeah, it does sound a bit exxie but consider the poor Auslanders who would >have to pay the $40 AND a $1,499 plane flight - now that, IS an expensive >concert. But consider the fact that this will be your final final final chance in a while, and it is a short tour which means that the costs per gig are slightly higher than a longer tour, and you are getting a double bill and an opening act, and that the Chieftains ticket prices are usually quite steep, they have a large band and I bet a large entourage too. But US$150 for three tickets, with some booze to smuggle in, that's $55 each! Maybe some irish soda bread and lobster and scones (with the special jam) is included? Hmmm, maybe I will do some baking soon, but am all out of certain ingredient. ---- David D., now off soon to catch the 1:12 (is that an arcane ratio or what?) so I have time to brush or surf or work. Oh, and some grains of sand from one of the starfish that I tossed back to water, using a paper towel, accidentally got on my new bar of lanolin soap that I used for a shower after badminton, but I didn't turn purple or pinkish even (yet)! Message fte:440 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:53:39 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:440 Subject: Re:And speaking of radio... Dave O wrote: >And what should I hear from my speakers but Sarah singing 'Ol 55. This is the ... >Anyone else out there ever hear this song on the radio? Yes, more than once I think, and I think the first time was on CBC, just before or just after the Canadian release, and in my bathroom, on an ancient cheap (not Shaughnessy) ghetto blaster, maybe even just after I got out of the shower, I don't think while I was in the shower, I would have remembered that. (You know, showers, other massage, yoga and the like do help to unblock stuffy areas and focus the body energy to certain key points :-), and Sarah singing is like a massage for the ears, although those occasional red wine-ish low growls also massage the lower chakra area. I wonder what the resonant notes of all my body areas is? Uh oh, no more Neil Diamond, please. DD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:441 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 17:03:19 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199506171506.LAA08902@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Message-ID: fte:441 Subject: green grow the rashes oh (was Re:Re:And speaking of radio...) Sarah wrote: >>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- > >Hey David - I see you've simplified your sig. Does that mean you're >simplifying your posts as well? :-) > >pax, >Sarah My posts have always been pimple! But yes, I am getting bored with the old one-way stream and figure I've confused you all enough for a while. Speaking of simple posts, last night I broke out in simple spots, so a raSh, the doctor gave me some samples of cetirizine hcl and sarna cream, plus I have some aveeno oatmeal bath stuff and calomine lotion if all else fails tonight. But at least it isn't chicken pox, must be a reaction to some plant in the field or to some ingredient in casa del sol refried beans or to too much almond extract (artificial?) in Benny's steamed almond milk, or maybe the wasp that landed on my left index finger very briefly yesterday afternoon hit my reset button. But anyway, the doctor said it isn't contagious so contact is ok, and you guys should be safe with all those firewalls about. Oh, I took my address and phone number off, for fear of all those heavy breathers. :-) David p.s. and I got some amber shades (9.99, total bill 47.47 on my Mastercard, calomine lotion was 1.69) Message fte:442 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 17:18:28 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9506181701.AA24926@sun> Message-ID: fte:442 Subject: Re:Hobbes and hisilk Mike S wrote: >Well said, but I think I like something I saw in a Usenet post once better: > >"Amazing how, on the Internet, you can say stuff that would, in real >life, be rewarded with a solid punch to the face." Yes, and you can say stuff that would, outside of the game, be rewarded with a gentle escort to the loony bin. In some ways the Internet is like the dream world, in which you can let out stuff that you keep blocked away in real-life relationships. Unfortunately in some cases the dark side surfaces, but then at least we would know to keep an eye on that person in real life, or direct them to appropriate therapy. David (And for the garage salers: What's echo-paper? Is that related to echo beach? Sounds suspiciously like LSD tabs.) Message fte:443 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:45:19 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199506222300.JAA20370@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: fte:443 Subject: Re: No Camille! Mark wrote: >No Camille at the Chieftans shows? The vocal harmonies just won't be >the same! I want my money back!!! But knowing the Chieftains, the tour will be a party and thus Sarah may have had some mash, so may have a backup frog in her throat, even so I bet she'll be a smashing success. Or perhaps she took some lessons from the Tuvan throat singers in the off season. Or there may be instruments that match or complement her voice quite nicely. Or maybe the better singers in the audience can sing along, with luck she'll invite one up like the Indigo Girls do (does Tori?). Or maybe she'll have some special guests too, and make a live duets video/CD, with all her star friends around the continent. Whatever, I bet you won't be disappointed. Wish I was there, like a grateful dd roving reporter and acoustic node locator/amplifier (by bobbing your head in the proper way near an acoustic node and flexing your diaphragm and swishing your eyes in the sad songs you can subtley reinforce the acoustic connectivity), but then those changes of pace she does can catch you off guard, forest fires indeed... DaviD What's with the mulled wine movie, this time of the year? Wine isn't good in a bath! (Is any booze made from oatmeal?) Hey, maybe I'm a morning person now? What a U-turn! No, it's probably temporarye. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:444 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:08:15 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950622194248_100426480@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:444 Subject: Re:No Camille! Lois sparked: >Mark wrote: >>>>>No Camille at the Chieftans shows? The vocal harmonies just won't be >the same! I want my money back!!!<<<<< >Although it may sound a *little* different than you're used to hearing with >camille in the background, Sarah's the real draw here, remember? >I've heard Sarah play solo on stage without anyone backing her and she is >awesome! Before that performance, I was curious as to how it was going to >sound - and really excited to hear *just* her. The performance was beyond >words! Yes, let me second that opinion. The band is just along for the ride, Sarah on her own is a well of power, and solo she can improvise a bit more. I think in the early days she would do Ben's Song solo, but don't remember. But I have heard her at the Clayoquot Sound Benefit with just Ash remaining on percussion, and Sarah on guitar and piano. Wow! Great audience, warm night music, Sarah sitting on the monitors just stealing all our hearts and returning them filled with long-lasting fire, no clear-cut by the grim reaper here, steady cockles of the heart, tuned by her voice of silver bells. So for all of you who have seen the full band a few times, with the soft combo (DQ) you are in for a real treat as Sarah spreads her good vibes around and about after recharging (in) Vancouver. >Actually the show's biggest drawback for me is that the Chieftains will be >there. I can't seem to really get into them. Have you heard them live? I too am not really into them yet, it takes a good live show to sweep me off my feet. I bought the Chistmas tape and gave it to someone for Christmas, it was good, and have heard bits of The Long Black Vale but don't have it yet. I have an old Shanachie "Best of the Chieftains" CD covering maybe their first few albums and the production doesn't turn me on too much. But I have heard they _can_ put on a great live show, and bet that playing with Sarah will give them fresh inspiration, else her performance will blow them away. David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:445 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 0:51:17 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9506250516.AA09566@sun> Message-ID: fte:445 Subject: Re: house of blues Mike S. enthused: >Vox muttered: >> well guys what did you think? pretty cool but too many commercials. >> sarah looked awesome as usual, looked like she was having a good time. i >> kept expecting sarah to come out and do a jig or something. so what >> other songs would be good for sarah to do with the chieftans....??? What songs did she do? I can think of a few, but will refrain for now, no doubt she has her own favourites, and with luck they will form a subset of my list or pleasantly surprise me. Or maybe she will poll us on what songs to do? Fat chance! >So we dropped down on the couch 'bout an hour ago, and flipped on the >tube. Her comment to me was "this is how Sarah McLachlan is meant to be >listened to." I think so too - bowl of popcorn wedged between the two of >us on an old, comfortable couch - yeah, that's the stuff Saturday nights >are made. (Of course, now I'm being yelled at because I'm logged in.) Oh, how romantic! That (logging in) and popcorn grease on the keyboard will keep the ghosts in your machine for a while! At least I have an excuse, no heavy breathers came my way tonight. But popcorn can be a good percussion instrument, although ideally it would be a house concert, not TV, and Sarah could have some popcorn too, preferably thrown for applause. :-) >Lois said something about not being able to get into the Chieftans; I >tend to agree. That Celtic kind of music, for me, will always be Loreena >McKennit, and having a bald, OLD guy in a music band is, well, DIFFERENT. Huh? I bet quite a few of the touring rock oldies are balding, but may have non-magic rugs, on top, unlike Sarah's tender tootsie textural aid, also useful for flying (see eyebrow ref below). >It's too bad I've been influanced to such a great degree by McKennit's >music, because Beth, who has had very little exposure to Celtic music >(her knowledge of it comes from listening to Loreena/Tennyson's "The Lady of >Shalot" on _Visit_), seemed to enjoy the Chieftans. The Chieftains are more of a party band, music of the people, and I guess it helps if you were weaned on it. But if you find they lack modern fire, check out bands such as Altan, Capercaillie, Old Blind Dogs, Four Men and a Dog, Shooglenifty, Wolfstone, Ashley MacIsaac, Rawlins Cross, The House Band... But I believe that The Chieftains can still cook up a storm, especially with a spark(l)er such as Sarah McLachlan along. >Sarah's performance was, as usual, great. Beth said, halfway through her >second song, "what the heck is she doing with her eyebrows, trying to >fly?" I think it is supposed to convey emotional expression, or was the song "She'd Like a Swallow"? Did you find your eyebrows getting rhythm entrained? I bet she would be good at charades. :-) >That entire commerical break, we tried to do it with our eyebrows - >not even close. (Sarah, if you're out there, how the hell do you do >that?!) When you move your ears, the skin of the rest of your head moves a bit too, including the eyebrows. >for me? :-) (Sidebar: Has anyone else noticed that Sarah only ever seems >to perform live in black? I've never seen anything where she WASN'T >wearing long, black, flowing clothes. I don't remember ever seeing her in such clothes, maybe she dresses differently in AB and BC? I sort of remember lots of flowing/curvy flowery dresses (Unskin?) and cutoffs/jeans and t-shirts and maybe even some white but no vampire stuff. Maybe it has to do with the tour laundry circuit and Alberta, or maybe I just don't remember the clothes when she wears black? Also maybe she dresses up for the TV (dinner) dates. There have been lots of references to that damned silver/gold thingie, too, and to dressing down in Portland. But usually I don't pay much attention to the clothes, mostly the voice and eyes (and eyebrows I guess) and hair and emotive movements of hands and feet and body, but mostly the voice while she is singing. And like a fool I have usually avoided staring, lest those eyebrows get me. Does she ever wear vertical stripes (referee joke, or candystriper). David Dalton Message fte:446 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 1:25:45 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:446 Subject: off-topic: Inner Voice --- passive vs active A couple of days ago I talked about how by having a tuned and receptive body you can act as a resonator between the breaths, for me most often just before exhalation. But this is a passive approach, and must be balanced with some more active "inner voice", linking it to your outer voice. Being a purely passive oscillator is dangerous in that you become overly sensitive to abnormal subsystems in your environment, as I was to things such as traffic noise and wrong voices. The passive approach works for learning from good subsystems, which for me would be things such as the sound of ocean waves, my yoga teacher, Sarah and some others. But after a while a limit is reached, the law of diminishing returns, and I must begin to balance the passive approach with a more active voice. So in the last two days I have been focussing my energies more on the low level breath noise rather than the space between the breath, and using this noise (especially the exhalation so far) to quiet fears, and perhaps to quiet instabilities in the systems around me, or to send out (attempts at) new tuning notes. I haven't yet experimented with passive vs active during a concert, though, but suspect that if I love the concert (such as Sarah's) then I won't need the self-quieting part of active breath voice, that the music will just ring through me, but that perhaps active use of the breath will help as well, especially in the let-down that sometimes comes a while after the concert, the old separation/drug withdrawal thing; I suspect musicians get a similar high. Of course, I suspect that this is the system's gentle way of telling me that I should stop mumbling and relying on supercooled resonance, cause in the summertime when the weather is hot I will have to start learning to make some noise of my own, at first by low level breath resonance with the music and then maybe in another ten years I'll be able to sing. The system seems to have shoved me back to a morning schedule, at least temporarily, too, so I'd better say good night, and merry xmas 1995.5 (new year's approaches?) David D. p.s. that's not deceiving, unless I'm deceived. I may elaborate later after I get some sleep. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:447 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:02:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HS4SBK7SGY001SJE@CC.DENISON.EDU> Message-ID: fte:447 Subject: Re: beret-clad Sarah-like bodhran Matthew E Liebson wrote: >I do recall seeing a person in a beret milling about the audience. So that's the origin of "eh". Those French Canadian artistes! Another instance of planning for the (June 24) broadcast date, too; the last one was Earth Day. Was it cotton? What's beret juice? (paint) >And chip is right about the bodran--it's some great stuff. I had a music >professor who played the thing. Better than any percussion instrument I'm >aware of, perhaps except for Indian tabla drums. But it is very finicky, has to be treated with tender loving care, bodhran players have to wet the skin before playing so that the tension/tuning is right, and occasionally use a heat lamp just before going on. I did sound for Dennis Crews and Alan MacLeod doing a bodhran duet. It helps to boost the low end, back off the middle a bit, and boost the high end (not quite as much as the low end). There are lots of really good players, including Noel Dinn (R.I.Party) of Figgy Duff, Johnny "Ringo" McDonahough (sp?) of De Dannaan, Gino Lupari of Four Men and a Dog, oodles more, but oddly enough I don't remember many women who play it. About bad bodhran players, many musicians say that the instrument is best played with a penknife, or placed with the banjo and dead skunk in the middle of the road. David p.s. My tendonitis is acting up today so no long posts! But last night I fixed the April candle and then some, I hope. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:448 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:19:35 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:448 Subject: Re: house of blues Dave O wrote: >On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 LoisMRod@aol.com wrote: >> As someone else mentioned, they seemed a little bored. I guess >> that's why it's hard for me to see them as a "party band" as someone else >> mentioned. I can't comment much since I've never heard them live and missed the hose of blues show, but wouldn't you be bored with the same old songs and tunes (Vox ref?) after 20 years or so of touring? By now, The Foggy Dew is an automatic for them, whereas with more obscure or new tunes/songs they would have their mettle tested. The best celtic musicians would of course have to play lots of old favourites at accelerated or tear-jerking pace for dances or kitchen parties, but would keep adding to their repertoire right up until death, by osmosis and composition. >Sometimes The Chieftains get confused with The Irish Rovers, who are more >of a party band. The Rovers tend to play the more "popular" songs that one >is likely to hear at any given American bar on St. Patricks Day through a >haze of green beer. Gag me with a spoon. >The Chieftains tend to stay more on the traditional side >of Celtic music. Which can be a fiery party indeed, if you've ever been to a good "kitchen time" in Newfoundland or Cape Breton ceilidh or Irish seisun/ceili, when the musicians are having even more fun than the audience, or they are semi-interchangeable (but I can't even play the spoons). Of course some of the popular songs are great too but they have been done to death, there are lots more floating around out there, plus the true celtic party music blends slow ballads for dancing and fast instrumental or mouth music for dancing. Did she have those boots on? Or a black velvet band? David Dalton -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:449 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:20:16 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HS5W5QIH2Q00O98J@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:449 Subject: Re: House of Blues, kiltfiles, etc. Squid penned (opined): >As I said on Ecto a few days ago, That reminds me, I'm still off ecto-digest, but with the tendonitis acting up will stay that way for a while. I'm still too poor to buy many new CDs anyway without going further into the red. >that had to be among the most >beautiful footage of Sarah that I've ever seen. Her smile >_still_ drives me crazy (literally) after all these years. It >doesn't look as though she's aging at all; she appears virtually >unchanged since 1989. Yeah, her smile is great, uplifting, it makes me smile, sort of like the yawn reflex only better. Does she like Cheshire cheese? Her smile isn't thin by any means. And she has matured in good ways, looks even better and happier (the last time I saw her, which was ages ago). Plus her eyebrows can say hi-bro'. :-) With the eyes and brows and smile and voice she might get stolen by hollywood. Which Beatles film do you like best? What road movie? >During "Drawn to the Rhythm" I got a good look at her guitar >playing. She doesn't seem as obsessed with fingerstyling as she >was "way back when," but she still seems to play the guitar with >_both_ hands; like a true master of _any_ art form, the >haphazard stuff like her "other three" fingers hitting the >strings are intentional and contribute to the overall effect. >She must use some heavy-duty nail polish; otherwise, such metal- >on-nail abuse would probably rip her fingernails off. Doesn't she use a pick? And many musicians use those plastic clip-on/glue-on fingernails for performing, for example a local pipa player really gives a set on her right hand a good workout. I wonder if you can do thin-film diamond coating of the nails somehow. >The other song, did someone call it "Foggy Dew", startled me: You know, I usually would remember some lyrics from that song but they are all gone, mixed up with some Christy Moore tune, "...when the moon is shining brightly". >during the show, and not just when Sarah was with them. Seems we >know _where_ she gets her style. A fascinating moment. But she has dipped in the river directly as well as indirectly, I suspect. >My only worry now is, having seen House of Blues, do we already >know exactly what's in the Chieftains' set? They probably have 100 hours of music at their joint fingertips, so I very much doubt it. And whenever they come to town here they get local stars up jamming with them so maybe they will in your neck of the woods too. Did Paddy play the uillean pipes (the armpit ones)? >BTW, "Cotton Eyed Joe", anyone else heard the REDNEX techno >version of that song? Is that the one with Ashley MacIsaac? I like his stuff, and I like cotton too, at least this week. Why are frayed cutoffs nicer than seamed ones? (? Maybe because they have more potential to unravel?) David D. p.s. Squid, I had some great piripiri squid rings yesterday at Gastown restaurant Kilimanjaro, they were spicy with red tomato/ho ho pepper based sauce and some green herb that I couldn't identify, probably parsley or cilantro, some carrots, and a rice scoop on the side. They brought me prawns by mistake at first but exchanged them and I promised the waitress to be louder next time. Anybody have any Cleveland reviews to share to turn me green? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:450 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 0:49:53 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:450 Subject: 1 world beat 2 july moondance 1. At the Gastown Jazz yesterday, after I ate the squid, the band Alpha Yaya Diallo (at times accompanied by red-painted women, like pistachio nuts only probably finger paint) did their encore tune, with a simple beat but powerful beat. I started in my head the following chant, which I only partially remember and then after a while went back to the table and envisioned the chant and drum beat being carried on by/through the crowd and around the world. child of the earth love every one every child you are a child child of the earth ... (only it was better, with some fancy bit or thought about all subsets of the earth being a child of the earth and I guess the earth itself is like a child of its subsets, if you look at it the other way, from small to large. Anyway, that beat rolled, like the waves crashing on a higher dimensional shore. I wanted to indicate that every child is special, full of potential, and we are all children, learning, playing, living, loving together. Let's free the rotted deadwood, or rather, transform it back to strong, ] and build a strong but willow-like and living/dancing/growing new house, as Bill Bourne says in his song "let us build a strong new house, one that will stand forever..." [I forget the rest of the lyrics] ) 2. And in my Dec. 31 post (Dec. 30 night) post on the 160 day and 140/3 moon muse gestation period, I made a mistake when I rounded up, if I stick to the 140/3 lunar month period and count from the inspirational seed of the Aug. 28, 1991 Sarah concert then it comes out to not the July new moon but the July D-moon, or Wednesday July 5. Now there may be some error so perhaps Canada Day and Independence Day and Bastille Day have some importance. Also this might be important just to me, others might want to count from the Sept91 new moon which would, if you round down to 46 new moons, be this week, if you round up to 47 new moons, be late July, or it might be the July full moon (which I would tend to favour) or the July reverse D-moon, or all of the above, or none of the above. My guess is that all those nights are good ones for summer fun, although from the tour schedule Sarah is in concert only around the new moons and reverse D-moon, not the D-moon and full moon. So anyway, even if I was in her path, she isn't playing on my dates (D-moon and [for all?] full moon). Oh, well, if wishes were horses, where would pigs fly? Does lunar dust in homeopathic quantities make good mud? What's going on with the cracks in the glacial ice, which preserves oxygen from the garden of eden, ice crystals to restart the old blue crown chakra going (and keep cool in the mud and sun)? Isn't Rickard's Red just Canadian with some food colouring? And what's the difference between Export and Excel, the hops? Or is one 5.5%? (These are redoracle questions, blush.) David D. p.s. (Sarah content? I sure hope so! Does she have a tent, or just the big concert ones and the circus shell game hawker [cathy's cronies] tent? Is it a 2--4 tent? Oh, wait, I just remembered the bit about bell, book and candle. But candles go out in the shower! Hmmm, but not live ones, and there are transparent curtains although they sometimes fog over.) And it looks like the 1:12 bus so I have missed Grrrls With Guitars this month (but might go down and hang out backstage for last call) although I was there last night to send out some healing/forgetting vibes, not in the women's can though, but I did tap on the cauldron and lightly scratch the owl's toes. Message fte:451 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 3:09:05 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:451 Subject: humming bird WOW, a hummingbird just flew into my computer room from the hall, now I have to get it out somehow. (Just had to share that with you guys. 3:05 a.m.) DD Message fte:452 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 3:19:45 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:452 Subject: moth Actually maybe it is a very big moth with fast beating wings. It went back into the hall and landed on the wall (flower) so I opened the venetian blinds, turned off the hall lights, coaxed it onto a paper towel, turned off the computer room lights, then gentle shook it off the towel outside the window and closed the blinds. It is a gorgeous and huge moth. I don't think it laid an egg on me :-) but maybe it hummed me a new tune, or carried one away from me. Also when I opened the blinds a small moth came in, I don't know where it went, not the "cottonwoods of gypsy town" as Bill Bourne says, but probably a wise dark corner. Wow. DD 3 (oops, 3:19 a.m.) Message fte:453 - Read Delivery-date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:19:21 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Tue Jun 27 14:32:50 1995" Send-date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:30:39 UTC-0700 From: To: Message-ID: <199506272127.RAA23497@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Subject: (BST) Re: humming bird >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 6792 At 12:35 PM 6/27/95 -0400, Michael Schuster wrote: >> Haven't been here (on the list) long, have you? You'll soon learn that >> Dalton posts some pretty weird stuff on occasion. (What the hell am I >> talking about? On occasion?!? Foo.) If it doesn't strike your fancy, >> ignore and delete. It's refreshing to have some nice non-sequiter in my >> life. If you can't appreciate it, that's your loss, not mine. > >I've been on the list for about a year now. > >I am well aware of Mr. Dalton's propensity for injecting rambling, >tangential, inconsiderate postings into a mailing list chartered for >another purpose. I periodically add my "me toos" whenever the silent >majority speaks and puts him in his place. This time it seems I just got >disgusted before the rest of the bunch. Excuse me then, because I suppose I'm speaking for the silent minority when I say that I certainly enjoy David Dalton's posts and would rather leave this list than see it become a place where someone like him can't post freely about whatever he wants. Sometimes I simply scroll through his posts if they're too long and I'm short on time. But when I do read them, they give me a sort of altered perspective on things. He thinks things I would never have considered thinking. And recently, I've noticed a concerted effort on his part to add some sort of Sarah content, or at least put BST in the subject line, of most of his posts. But I have to say that if it was 3:30 in the morning (my god David what were you doing?) and I was working on my computer and a flitting and flying creature made its way into the room and I felt the need to tell someone, it would be the FTE list. And at 3:30 in the morning I might forget to put BST in the subject line. The thing is, of the people on the list, DD is one that if I met him out of the blue sometime, I would really like to have a conversation with him, because I feel I've seen a little of him as a person through this list. Mr. Schuster, I can't say the same thing about you. Sorry. To me a mailing list *is* the people who make it up. I miss David Dalton when he takes his periodic sabbaticals. He is one of the people who, IMHO, gives this list its character. (I feel the same way about elana, who could be caustic, but she was fun to read. I can get the occasional dose of her on alt.music.s-mclachlan, where she's currently flaming the people discussing Sarah's sexuality for the eighty-zillionth time.) On a more constructive note, this makes me think of the mailing list for the TV show Friends, where they actually have two lists: one to discuss the TV show only, and one to gab about whatever they feel like. I had thought that FTE was doing a pretty good job of balancing the two aspects, but apparently there are those who think we should be a little more by the book. Should we consider (or is it possible?) having that sort of format, with two lists? Just a thought. What's wrong with someone challenging the conventional modes of thought every once in a while? I can't believe anyone could truly be "disgusted" by DD's posts. Irritated, I can see. Bored, even that. But if the worst thing in anybody's life is that David Dalton is often off-topic, they should thank whatever god they pray to, because life isn't that bad after all. pax, Sarah Message fte:454 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:57:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950628001047_103773339@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:454 Subject: BST: red flags & the inner s-elf (was Re:private e-mail/David/HOB) Cheryl (I almost said Lois for a second) wrote: >To answer David's question: > >I didn't notice if Sarah was wearing boots, but I'll check for ya when I >watch it again. Are those boots Fluevog Angels (my softball manager has a pair)? I bet in hot weather they aren't much good anyway, unless they have a pressure sensitive inner crystal layer that under pressure has an endothermic reaction and sucks the heat out of your feet. :-) >The camera-person was doing an excellent job with close-ups > and Sarah looked wonderful! She seemed rested, refreshed, etc.. Did >she get her hair permed or did she just not wash it for a week? It looked >GREAT. Maybe she used a henna highlight? (I seemed to have red eye today for a while, from amber/yellow to red, but I think it is due to the blue block sunglasses, with them off I could choose to shift the focus to green, or have no focus. But maybe with all the red flags someone is bloody pissed at me and it is best to lay low for a few days (for recharging purposes). So I guess I'm not a bull after all, just write it. (But I do have two credit cards.) >Oh, did I mention she sounded fabulous? That's a given, although it doesn't hurt to say it, like those three little words (down the hall), from time to time. >Thanks Sarah, Michael B., Arnold (yipes!) and others who jumped to David's >defense. Yes, thanks, DDdeFenders (reminds me of hip checks, but hockey is over). Does Sarah have a Stratocaster? Oh, and re Ice, I guess blue eyes can be like ice only actually hot (sounds like stolen diamonds), so ice is not always atall bad. And my comments a few months ago about the young being put on ice (red wise) were way off base, obviously they should have the choice and the power to make their own decision (unlike me, with mostly indecison). I didn't post yesterday since I didn't come in, I drew back to home base, charged the triangle/delta, and then was selfish, recharging self only, closing the loop, moving from long distance fires hopefully towards short distance touch fires less at the whim of the winds. But I will post a separate post finishing the four moth story, with appropriate flags (BST) even though I had my first coffee a half hour ago, along with a blueberry scone. David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:455 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:08:42 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HS73YT9K3600018I@CC.DENISON.EDU> Message-ID: fte:455 Subject: Re:moth Hi Liebso; you wrote: >funny about the moth, I saw a rather large one last night myself. The one I >saw had a wingspan of about 5 inches or so. The light was poor but it looked >mostly brown, with a bright circle near each wing tip.....it had a big, furry, >light beige or white body. My girlfriend has taken some entymology >(spelling?) and from what I know I think it was probably a luna moth. They're >pretty neat insects. Although they could be a pain if they were flying around >your room :) Oh, I could have left it after it settled on the hall wall, but wanted to set it free. It had at least that wingspan, but when I coaxed it onto the paper towel the wings were folded in, mostly. But then (see my post to fte shortly) on the way home another small one bounced off my left ear (is there such a thing as an eagle moth) and when I got home there was another big moth, slightly smaller but noisier and fiestier than the first big one, in my bathroom! So that makes four moths, two big and two small, in one hour. I will have to go to the bookstore or library and try to identify them from memory but think at least one of the big ones is a gypsy moth, which they were spraying for in May 1992 when I had my worst mixed/frightening (to me) episode (but the spray started after the episode and wasn't in my area so didn't cause it). But then again, if the spray was successful then these couldn't be gypsy moths. Maybe they were old moon luna moths. :-) David Message fte:456 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:11:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199506271830.LAA19415@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: fte:456 Subject: Re: moth Hi Rachel; Thanks a lot, and check out my post to fte later today finishing off the story of four moths in one hour (two big, two small). On the way home another small one bounced off my left ear, reminded me of "eagle flew out of the night". When I got home another big one, maybe half the wingspan of the first one and 2/3 the mass but fiestier and louder was in my bathroom, she came in through the bathroom window. Now how can I put this in context of a Sarah song? (Over the hills, my love...?) David Message fte:457 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:27:16 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:457 Subject: BST: 4 MOTH(er)S; co(w)jump over moon horn; snake in the grass (Anybody have any comments on cleveland or london?) summary: 4 moths in one hour, two big, two small new moon horn approaches snake chasing its own tail diamond weave, moon clouds, and the washing of tears etc. (french for "and the speed of light is periodic table like, so banded like those boar rings") (-: This is again off-topic but perhaps not as rushed (I thought I had a softball game to rush to but it turns out neither my geophysics team or the astronomy team have a game this week, plus geophysics doesn't have one on July 5, when astronomy plays First Nations who last night I thought geophysics played today but was fooled [red flagged]). There is some rather peripheral (obSarah) content mixed in for those who can spot it. There is a bit of junk that I am too lazy to paint in nicer colours. If you didn't like my posts of two days ago then please ignore this one, but many on the list (and I suspect some off the list that get it passed on to them) seem to appreciate my keyboardriver divinings (that looks like key boar driver but I mean keyboard river). 1. The Tail of Four Moths ---------------------------- Here are some addenda to the original moth post (sorry for the duplication, but the first one had a slow bounce, which isn't always bad). Someone on the list e-mailed me with a tale of a luna moth with a five inch wingspan. The one in the computer room had at least that wingspan, but when I coaxed it onto the paper towel the wings were folded in, mostly. The "cottonwoods of gypsy town" quote meant that I thought it was a gypsy moth, but this is in retrospect unlikely since in May92 they were spraying for such. (I mention that because that is when I had my worst mixed episode, although it started before the spraying did, and the spraying wasn't in my area. Anyone know how the gypsy moth spray works, does it kill directly or modify the natural sex instincts of the moths, being kinder to them but slowing down overall population growth in accordance with the best interests of the system? I wonder do the systemic police give out warning tickets or temporary suspensions or parole/probation first?) The huge moth was not making much noise and hence wasn't a hummingbird. If it wasn't a gypsy moth perhaps it was an old moon luna moth, I will check a book at the library or bookstore someday soon and try to identify its type and sex from memory. I didn't get a good look at the small one but it was darker and a different type, the big one was more light brown with a triangle (V, so isosceles, sharper than equilateral) body and I think two straight line markings near the centre. Then on the way home, just passed the fork tree, around Larch and 7th so near the little tree like a T with horns, another small moth bounced off my left ear (is there such a thing as an eagle moth?). So that makes three. Then, when I got home I was very surprised, less than an hour after the big computer hacker moth, by another big moth in my bathroom! She had maybe half the wingspan of the first one and 2/3 the mass (maybe a different type or slightly younger) but fiestier and louder was in my bathroom, she came in through the bathroom window, even though the light wasn't on. In natural LOGarithmic (inverse eXPonential) terms, plus taken into account the energy/mass difference, the two moths were the same order of magnitude. e.g. ln(M1/M2)=ln(2)=0.69 ln(W1/W2)=ln(1.5)=0.4055 ln(E2/E1)=ln(26/10)=0.95551145 (Who's 26 at 4 a.m. on July 21? My dad died in 1969, I forget the date though.) but that is only apparent energy, really wingspan reduces energy required and mass increases it so: E1'=E1*M1/W1 E2'=E2*M2/W2 ln(E2'/E1')=ln[(E2/E1)*(M2/M1)*(W1/W2)] =ln(1.95) =0.66782937 aha so no 666! But what about c squaRed? Or is the above a scrambled phone number? Anyway, I tried to lure it on to some unbleached toilet paper but it declined and flew off to buzz the space above my shower stall (where I later found a crumpled up copy of my old collage figure, with a half red and half green disk torn out). So then I decided to use light for a lure, opened the bathroom door, went and turned on the bright hall light, made sure the back door (fire escape) was open (planning to turn the hall light off after the moth had been lured out of the bathroom). I then went back to turn the bathroom light off and shoo the moth out, only to find that it had flown back out through the bathroom window again, perhaps to visit the neighbours? So anyway, in one hour, four moths, which are often said to have dead soles, like touring "spirits in the night" (M.M.), so I took it as a sign of a good tour since it all started when I was on fte! Again, there were two big and two little, and they were probably different types. Now how can I put this in context of a Sarah song? Sign of the gypsy queen [uncork the red april wine?]... Over the sills, my love... Eagle flew out of the night... She came in through the bathroom window... Under the touch, cannot stop the faller) Also if you scan Sarah's lyrics for moth, you get: Mother teach me to walk again Like a baby into mother's care Mother can't you see I've got Crawling into each other it's smothering Oh my brother my sister my mother Am I a moth-er now, after the other night? Is "moth" a "four letter word" in any language? Don't gypsy moths like foliage? Maybe it is a subtle hint to get my hair cut soon, next week will be six weeks and the last one was no great shakes (but then again, my orange juice jug has a crack in the lid now so it must be stirred, not shaken). Also my big Pulse shooter glass has some wax on it, the yellow (coward/lemon, since not travellin' riverside) candle that went in the composite healed april candle came out of there, so a much smaller candle (but with the fiery wick that the big one was missing) inside the head of the bigger candle, like the land snake finding it's own sea lit tail at last. So perhaps women can pass a spark on to their favourite guys even without the old red dot (A&B?) approach. But I prefer the traditional spark generating methods, scuffing the feet on appropriate materials [e.g. dance floor], eye-to-eye, hand-to-hand or mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, brushing hair with certain materials, and I bet even through the voice which seems to work best for large crowds. (-: 2. some new moon notes. A couple of days ago I said that the 140 muse return to my late August/early September, 1991, trigger should be this month, sometime between this new moon (today) and the new moon in late July, but that due to the changed character of this past year I thought that the D-moon (July 5) or full moon would be more significant. Now in the past I have had creative episodes 160--164 days after a mixed episode, although this is fading this year. So if you take the mixed episode in the first week of January in which I posted that huge ramble, and add 5.5 lunar months to that, it turns out that the last few days and next few days are significant. But if so, it has been gentle, so I think I am being tapered out of my love affair with celestial and planetary bodies, becoming more rooted in self, yet still somewhat sensitive to the shorter range influences of smaller subsystems, particularly tuned women. So I wonder what the waxing horned moon (looks like the S's flowered jeans, or reverse-C?, or I guess with keboard constraints a left tilted smile :-) ) will bRing in the next few days for us all? Fireworks? Green Cheese? Welsh rabbit? Sofa bread? Beer and apples? (Sorry for the worm reference, John.) David D. p.s. Oh, and my lily that had buds that failed to turn into flowers is still alive and some new shoots have popped up at the side of pot, I'm not sure if it is the same bulb or there was a double bulb or the bulb had a fanny pack small bulb. I haven't transplanted the new one(s) yet though. How many fte-ers does it take to change a light bulb? Huh, I didn't know light bulbs had diapers, and how can changing be good for guys later on (time/compost/tree)? So natural blood and natural doo-doo are powerful in more ways than one. Time to ring some changes, changlings. (Actually all that could mean that a pin stuck in the appropriate finger will have acupunctural therapeutic qualities, but it might be related to hand-washing the old diamond weave cloth diapers, at least once in a while, even if for single moms who are your friends, including lesbian single moms who may like donations occasionally or who _might_ just have a soft touch for you for some reason. Now, even if I am a moth-er, in the verb sense, I am not a mom --- that reminds me of the old mummers' troupe (related to codco) and their vestments. But why would it help for guys to wash out cotton moonclouds? That reminds me of an SF story that I left home but will bring in the reference if anyone wants, about a woman (Mammugrande?) going in search of material to make her moon cloths and being aided by some natural creatures (I think including the ant and bee). This last bit was done while tired but not drunk, partly drunk but not tired would have the same effect I guess, or a time after midnight. But anyway this is getting too long for most to read and I am tired so E-see you on Thursday. If I offend, e-mail me directly, and I promise to stop this soon, must get moving on the thesis or give it up, and line up a cushy job to aim for after graduation, for some direction. And for the next few days I will stay clear of those temperature sensitive O-rings, no 0's for me for a while, maybe even until I see the Vate (fat chance). Anyway, have a good virtual circle dance (celtic dance form, e.g. Kissing Dance, An Dros, The Lancers, Spiral Dance, etc.) while I'm away recharging, I'll look in on the proceedings after new moon (so likely tomorrow). But I think it is high time everyone else started posting some fun stuff occasionally to keep the list alive, as I fade away to new interests, or as I drop down to near the average level of weirdness, which I have helped to raise, like a volcano popping up and then eroding a bit but leaving a island hot spot paradise. [Yeah, right, although a lime marguerita would go down nicely right now, or a lei. :-) ] OK, time for food and an early night to get started on the new moon and avoid the weirdness of early January and early April. Plus no booze for me until Sunday at the earliest, probably longer. And I keep posting if inspired because I don't know if it is all a code and joke and my next post will solve it all (or whether all the important stuff is already done and I can stop and get on to real life important personal matters), so if I have a brainstorm I sometimes rush it out quickly, into the public domain, just in case I get kidnapped by some beautiful Amazon band (ha) before I sign on again. (i.e., that is the third type of cutoff I associate with women: 1. cutoff as in "get a life, the (virtual reality) buck stops here" 2. cutoff as in cut(off)--> O FF , + the relay person in softball 3. cutoff as in holy flowered jean cutoffs And Bobbitt's is a children's clothing store, so there! Anyway, I must stop before I confuse the issue (or make it too sharp, as always you probably need to re-interpret my writings in light of your own position, that is if you choose not to trash my writings, which I will probably do myself soon [not really, I'm like a dragon crow pack rat with a hoard that is infinitely shareable, for those who care to dance the dance of words]). But some of you may be wise to desert this Titanic of ramblings and strike out on your own, set your own dreams, choices, find your own dessert island, now, at the crack of the cauldron. Message fte:458 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:07:49 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:458 Subject: Re:London Free Press Review (Warning: the post below contains about 55% BST, not enough to merit a warning label on the subject line.) Pyroman wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Donald Graves wrote: >> She floated onto the stage clad in silver lame jeans, a black tank top and >> clunky boots. > >There was a little story behind what she wore...she said it was all she >had! Evidently, when she first arrived in London, she had "everything" >stolen... Someone stole all her dirty laundry! That reminds me of several things. First, one time that Capercaillie played the Centennial Theatre in North Vancouver, Karen Matheson (she was in Rob Roy) had her luggage lost or stolen (I hope Sarah's was merely misplaced temorarily) and she borrowed some clothes but looked more like a schoolmarm than usual. Secondly, the first time I went into mental hospital was right when I had used all my laundry up, and thrown what I was wearing away, and my friend DFA had to bring my big hockey bag full of dirty laundry into the hospital, where I did it without soap. Thirdly, on my first trip (Sept90) to San Francisco we tagged our luggage to Seattle where we had to change buses, whereas we should have tagged them to SF. Thus for the first few days at the 60th SEG conference, in SF (I was at the Beresford) I had to just buy some new clothes and bum some from my supervisor (who is a good bit smaller). I still have some of the clothes I got there, plus a probably stolen gold chain that someone sold me on the street. Later that year I was back for the ` AGU (DEC90, maybe I got the chain then) and stayed at the Lombard. >Besides, meeting up with Sarah again after the show made up for the pains >encountered getting there. Got an autograph this time...settled for the >picture last year in Elora. :) But the greatest thing was that Sarah >looked at me as I handed her my ticket to sign and did a double-take and >said "Hey! I know you!" She remembered me from last summer!!! :) :) :) :) Oh no, I'm green with envy, I'll have to make that Irish soda bread after all (actually it is too hot and I am going to order pizza). She has sung "I will not forget you", although that can be interpreted in different ways, I guess (except for childhood trauma such as my orphaning and for some, sexual abuse) you don't want to forget the bad stuff lest it repeat (i.e., angle of approach, etc?). (-: But great, four smiles, not a forced smile! Oh, and re the Nettwerk being torn apart comment in the thread originator post, I was going to say they should set up franchises around, starting in Halifax maybe, but just now I thought of some more weird laundry notes. After I did my naked sundance on Sept. 5, 1991, at the ocean was an old (maybe Greek) fisherman with his nets out. He beckoned to me to come try the nets, and I did, but didn't seem to get it right, so he waved me impatiently away, and I went up the hill as related before. Recently bringing in my laundry from the clothesline reminded me of this. So anyway, watch out for an auction of Sarah McLachan's laundry, I bet some perverts on this list would sacrifice their right arm for certain items. (Autographed two-week overalls? They would stand up on their own I bet!) Seriously, I hope she gets her gear back soon or she will end up performing in the altogether (now) when I'm not there! Ha, I can just imagine it, Sarah saying "too bloody hot today, if everyone in the crowd strips down then so will I...". (-:~:-) I'd better stop or someone will get bloody pissed at me. But I have protection, hugs last night (and the coffee today) and lots of D-fenders (i.e., a thick skin unless you know/are my combination, which I have forgotten). David Dalton Message fte:459 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:37:51 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:459 Subject: BST: laundry and comb_nation Now a goodly portion of this list would at the drop of a hat be completely in Sarah's power, so now you are all in moral danger, her stolen laundry has magical powers, so that someone wearing it will be irresistable to members of this list! Also, was her comb or brush stolen (wouldn't make much difference sometimes, I bet (-: ), if so then think of the far reaching hair magic. But I suspect she uses a wide-tooth comb that is personalized for her so it won't really work that way. Also I think I know my combination again now, after glancing at some old pictures and notes. (But it seems to fluctuate a bit with the phases, although holding close to a certain strong anchor or dream lover image whenever the winds allow. Hey maybe I am a sailor at heart, not a rowdye, after my blue blockerless transition from red to green today at 3:08 p.m.) David D. Message fte:460 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:12:02 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Jun 29 13:57:24 1995" Send-date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:53:39 UTC-0700 From: "Chris Guerra" To: Message-ID: fte:460 Subject: BST! Re: David-bashing >X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/MS 3.0.0 >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 6822 Long sequence of recent quotes regarding DD: (My two pennies or so to follow...) (Turn back now if you're not interesting.) << I am well aware of Mr. Dalton's propensity for injecting rambling, tangential, inconsiderate postings into a mailing list chartered for another purpose. I periodically add my "me toos" whenever the silent majority speaks and puts him in his place. This time it seems I just got disgusted before the rest of the bunch. >> << Excuse me then, because I suppose I'm speaking for the silent minority when I say that I certainly enjoy David Dalton's posts and would rather leave this list than see it become a place where someone like him can't post freely about whatever he wants. >> << Sometimes I simply scroll through his posts if they're too long and I'm short on time. But when I do read them, they give me a sort of altered perspective on things. He thinks things I would never have considered thinking. And recently, I've noticed a concerted effort on his part to add some sort of Sarah content, or at least put BST in the subject line, of most of his posts. But I have to say that if it was 3:30 in the morning (my god David what were you doing?) and I was working on my computer and a flitting and flying creature made its way into the room and I felt the need to tell someone, it would be the FTE list. And at 3:30 in the morning I might forget to put BST in the subject line. The thing is, of the people on the list, DD is one that if I met him out of the blue sometime, I would really like to have a conversation with him, because I feel I've seen a little of him as a person through this list. Mr. Schuster, I can't say the same thing about you. Sorry. To me a mailing list *is* the people who make it up. I miss David Dalton when he takes his periodic sabbaticals. He is one of the people who, IMHO, gives this list its character. (I feel the same way about elana, who could be caustic, but she was fun to read. I can get the occasional dose of her on alt.music.s-mclachlan, where she's currently flaming the people discussing Sarah's sexuality for the eighty-zillionth time.) On a more constructive note, this makes me think of the mailing list for the TV show Friends, where they actually have two lists: one to discuss the TV show only, and one to gab about whatever they feel like. I had thought that FTE was doing a pretty good job of balancing the two aspects, but apparently there are those who think we should be a little more by the book. Should we consider (or is it possible?) having that sort of format, with two lists? Just a thought. What's wrong with someone challenging the conventional modes of thought every once in a while? I can't believe anyone could truly be "disgusted" by DD's posts. Irritated, I can see. Bored, even that. But if the worst thing in anybody's life is that David Dalton is often off-topic, they should thank whatever god they pray to, because life isn't that bad after all. pax, Sarah >> *** Okay! Now me: *** I would do this privately, but that would kind of blunt the point I'd like to make. As far as the "silent majority" is concerned, actually, it's generally the minority who hold strong opinions about any given subject , particularly negative ones, who are vocal. Therefore, for lack of any scientific data to support your claim of representing the "silent majority", you can be more confident that you in fact represent a sometimes-vocal minority. I doubt, and the posts I've seen since I've been on the list would seem to bear this out, that most fumblers are anything more than occasionally mildly annoyed with David's verbosity. Actually, I've seen a lot of support for his FUMBLINGS, even if they occasionally go over a lot of heads. I KNOW very well that this list is SUPPOSED to be centered around Sarah, but it's not an information service or anything. If that's what you seek, perhaps you should hook up with the Nettwerk WWW page or something that they put out. Of course, it's nice to find out odd little snippets like when Sarah's on t.v. or what someone's concert experience was like, but I think of this list sort of like a room of people who are all interested in Sarah. Now, if you had us all in a room like that, we would probably talk a good bit about her, but we'd also probably go off on tangents. You know, it's called hanging out. You would be hard pressed to keep everyone STRICTLY on topic in their conversations, and, quite honestly, you'd be a real jerk to try such a thing. We can try to be considerate of one another's needs, putting BST or whatever in the subject line to indicate a non-sarahquitur, and we can put up with or ignore (delete) things we find truly annoying. If I were in a room listening to someone complain about how this other guy talks too much and rambles, I would probably turn around and find someone more interesting to listen to, like the rambling guy. Indeed, it's not the occasional pontifications of a college student or the meandering thoughts of a, well, grad student that are irritating. It's more the nasty acid responses someone every once and a while feels they MUST express. Try exercise, or making love, or flirting, or talking with someone about nothing in particular just because it's fun! Watch the clouds change from a perfect symmetry to a twisty-turvy random rambling bird, or dragon, or volcano, or cow! Imagine us all in a room: David's musing, John is preaching, others are chatting about the summer tour and stuff, and suddenly someone just yells out how he's so ticked off at someone. ..."What a jerk."..."Like I care."..."Why doesn't he leave then?"... No one likes a complainer. Honestly, I'll defend Squid-boy before I'll defend someone who is just a plain jerk. He's not all that inciteful, but at least he's earnestly trying to figure some things out. (I don't mean to pick on you, John. You're just the other wordy person.) Don't like it, ignore it. David loses me occasionally, but I figure he's just flying a bit over my head sometimes. But who wants to stay in the valleys for all of their life? If there were a David list, I'd subscribe. But he's a participant in this voluntary social gathering, and I'm always happy to listen to him when I have the time. All of the single-minded fowl-mouthed complain-complainers would probably end up in a little circle moaning to each other, while the rest of us let the party take its own direction and just enjoy whatever happens. Why don't you relax and try to learn something from people who are different than you? Sorry to take up space for those of you who don't care. But then again, maybe I'm not sorry. Peace be with you, - Chris [I speak for no one but myself. (duh)] Message fte:461 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:53:36 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950629004704_104564315@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:461 Subject: Re:London Free Press Review Lois wrote: >Hey Chad, > >Thanks for sharing the concert info. Yeah, it is great to get some notes from the road so we don't forget about her, but that she is the queen of London, Ontario. >DId she really say her stuff was stolen? That's horrible! >Maybe we should have something like a clothing drive and bring her a >fashionable ensemble at each concert site to give her something to wear for >the next show. ;-) Have you read The Emperor's New Clothes? (-: Also my bounce copy of one of my yesterday posts got truncated right after So (a line that started with So, not P.G.) so the bit about nudity (new-D-tea) was chopped. If anyone else had their bounce copy truncated let me know and I will send it again, maybe edited for taste. >Geez, really, though. That's pretty pathetic that some thug(s) ripped her >off. Yeah, better that some hugs tripped her on. >By the way, too bad we can't make accent marks on our e-mail, because the >first few times I read about what she wore (silver lame The usual convention is to put a single quote (or apostrophe) after the final e, so lame' , eh. At least they weren't lamma genes! (groan) And being a TeX (pronounced tek) or actually LaTeX (pronounced lay-tek) guru I would write it like lam\'e (which explains the fingernail cutting scene in Go Fish, eh, which reminds me that last night I had a medium seafood pizza from Romeo's that kept me up). David D. Message fte:462 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:19:51 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:462 Subject: BST: (moth & Mammugrandae) was Re: "Moth" in Sarah songs Chris Guerra wrote: [[ David D. wrote: << Also if you scan Sarah's lyrics for moth, you get: Mother teach me to walk again Like a baby into mother's care Mother can't you see I've got Crawling into each other it's smothering Oh my brother my sister my mother >> Chris Guerra replied: [[ Looks like you could get mother out of all of those too. But then, the moths come inside to lay their eggs on your plants, so they are mothers and moths simultaneously. Where does the name "moth" come from originally? What is the etymology of this subject of entomology? ]] DEFINE moth DEFINITION 0 moth n., pl. moths 1. Any of numerous insects of the order Lepidoptera, generally distinguished from butterflies by their nocturnal activity, hairlike or feathery antennae, and stout bodies. 2. The clothes moth .[ME motthe --- Message fte:463 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:35:29 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:463 Subject: Re:BST: corrections + Life in Hell bits and pieces (I'm hot, slightly doped down and dull today, so this is mostly forgettable): I wrote: >Someone e-mailed me privately to say that in the current >issue of Rolling Stone there is an article featuring a >mostly naked Bjork, in which (article) a moth is mentioned. The mostly naked person is Jim Carrey on the cover, Bjork is not mostly naked, but the moth is mentioned in her interview. Another correction; I said that when Karen Matheson lost her luggage and borrowed some clothes she looked like a schoolmarm (sm). But of course sm's don't always look unfashionable, although their _work_ uniform might not fit in on a concert stage. This week the Matt Groenig (Simpsons' creator) Life in Hell cartoon in the Georgia Straight (Vancouver entertainment weekly) had another one about a race to the fridge only to find that all the ice cream has been eaten up by your mate. After that I remebered the Mothra monster/hero character that sometimes pops up in that cartoon series. But I still have some green tea gelati. Also in the Georgia Straight I noted that one acronym for cow stimulating hormone is rBST! It's super-hot here, so right now Ice Cream and Ice (the FS version) are more my favourite songs than Into the Fire. But today on CBC AM, after a story about zapping insects with a blowtorch the Crosswords guy played Into the Fire, and earlier James Keelaghan and his crony played Hold On (which reminds me, there is a July 4 hold on my qigong library book that I just got back from a friend, that's my first hold of the summer). The insect/song juxtaposition again made me thing of the Mammugrandae story and how she was healed by some honeybees and a singing bee after burning to a crisp in the sun. More insect news: At my last yoga class last night an itsy bitsy spider was next to me while I was involved in a position, and I pointed it out to the teacher and she put it outside and in the next pose made us feel like upended spiders. You guys in Toronto, I envy you, concert and lightning and smiles, that would make me high for sure, even without Contac C. (-: Also I'm beginning to pray for rain or cool weather (but not humidity like in Toronto). But the hot weather is not affecting me nearly as much as last year, so maybe I have my old resistance back. Aren't those silver genes hot? Or dangerous, to wearwolves? Does Molson's brew Coor's Light in Canada? And I was just kidding about the nudity thing. I better run, I have done no work in a month, and it is Canada Day up Canada way tomorrow. Intwo the fireworks, we're reunited? But after stupidly taking that haloperidol I won't be in much shape for fireworks until Independence Day (July 4). Oh well, my parents did work on an American base and had loads of American friends so I'll do a triple celebration (June 24 for Newfoundland is gone by, so July 1 for Canada, July 4 for US, July 14 for frenching?) But no, it looks like love isn't going to rescue me. David D. Message fte:464 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:31:22 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950701014113_82119792@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:464 Subject: Re:Insects and Canada Day (BST) Cheryl wrote: >In line with the recent insect thread, I thought I'd let you know that twice >a week I sing "the itsy-bitsy spider went up the water spout" to a baby that >I've been babysitting. It makes me want to work more on my thesis! If it was a big whale spout or Old Faithful then a web surfer could be the spider referred to. Today in Safeway I read part of the Bjork interview in Rolling Stone. I liken the moths to Taliesin saying "blerwm, blerwm..." to the court bards (the Taliesin of Welsh history/mythology/poetry, not the Taliesin of this list). Luckily I haven't had a collar shirt on for a while (so no moth ring around the collar) and I touched them they didn't touch me, except for the one that bounced off my left ear, and by their hum, and I guess by perching on surfaces that I might later have contacted. Hmmm, so maybe (I hope) they damped the broadband, undesirable (in the long term) aspects of my tuning and left some of my more narrow band skills. Time will tell. Another spider jumped on my collar last night while I was opening a hard-to-reach dusty window. I tried to grab it to put it out but it eluded me (they like my yoga teacher better), but was near enough the window to find its own way out if it chose. Today on the fire escape steps another wasp came to investigate, I guess checking me out, and left, but no bigger (queen?) came back to jump on my right nipple (as one did on my left nipple last year). Whew! >Canada Day for me in Phila, PA: Happy Canada Day, belated by the time you get this I guess! I didn't go watch the fireworks, but felt some remote ones while doing my dishes earlier, so bet the Detroit show was a blast! Plus in four days to a week I will be on the first anniversary of my "Trust" episode, specifically July 9 morning after an allnighter I had good vibes to "Trust", last year. But the phase of the moon was different. Let's see, Jan 5, 1994 had a nice match to Jan. 1 1995 so maybe July 8/9/94 will map to July 4/5/95? But I don't trust that calculation. >I started the day by coasting into a run-down gas station on EMPTY (whew!). >Then I noticed TFS on the sign! The Freedom Station! That's an acronym, >right? And what exactly is an anagram? Anyway, I should have known right >then that it would be a wonderful day. An acronym is where you scramble the letters, using the spice of your own wit and intuition to come up with something hidden. So an anagram for TFSO would be SOFT. I posted oodles of anagrams to Fumbling Towards Ecstasy and a few to The Freedom Sessions in the last year. For example: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy ---> cuts gym, wrests fond labia The Freedom Sessions ---> fish some toned seers but those are mutually incompatible, right? How do you get toned if you cut gym? Anybody want to try some more anagrams? >I missed the end of the movie because Joan Osbourne was playing at 30th >Street Station at 5:10 pm. See >her if you can! She has a deep powerful throaty-bluesy-kick-a**-rock-n-dance >voice and sings good songs. She said she wrote "St. Teresa" in Philly. Her >(female) bass player was from Philly too. A guitarist, Eric Lapenna, sounded >familiar. Does anyone know who he's played with? What CD(s) has Joan Osbourne released? Is she related to Robert? Is she better than Sarah (just kidding). > Jill Sobule followed, > (you know, "I kissed a girl"...) What, she lost her voice after the kiss? >to comfort (Sarah McLachlan) OK, for comfort, here is a safe virtual hug for Cheryl and Sarah and fte-ers. SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSSSSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSSSSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSSSSSSSSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSSSSSSSSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSS SSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSS SSSS SSSS SSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSS David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:465 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:51:57 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9507010957.AA13579@sun> Message-ID: fte:465 Subject: Re:Sarah sightings, a lot of BST.. Mike S. wrote: >I went to a dance club here in Calgary, evidently run by people who can't >spell because it's called the Banke. This was done at 19h30 last night. > >We don't usually consider Sarah to be music you can dance to, but imagine >my great surprise when I heard the "Into the Fire" remix (off the "Vox" >single) as well as "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy." The "Fire" remix you >really can dance to, FTE was just romantic as hell. (Or as romantic as >you can get on an empty dance floor with ~25 people in a building that >usually holds ~150. We were the only two people dancing at all. Go figure.) I went there once during a conference in I think May 1987, it is an old Bank buliding that got converted into a posh dance club. We were quite sloshed and some members of our party attempted to dance with "models" who were part of a group directed by an older lady. The place was quite empty then as well, it was probably early in the week. >Speaking of Sarah M., I finished the manuscript for a short (!? it's 50 >pages long!) story I've been working on for the past four months. >There's an interesting sequence where my main character, a doctor, >admits Sarah McLachlan to hospital after she's diagnosed with having >bacterial meningitis. Imagine that - Sarah collapses while performing at >a theatre in Vancouver, and then we discover that she's got meningitis. >Oi, I wonder what I'll write next. Men in what? Oh, wait, I just checked my online dictionary and meningitis is inflammation of the meninges, which is the plural of meninx, so maybe meningitis results from too much male-bashing, which for the Medusa would mean men inks. But I know Sarah does lots of supportive things for men too (like pay a bunch) so I think she is safe to go on at the Cecil. Ouch! >Actually, that was all based on a dream I had that featured Sarah >McLachlan playing hacky sack in a parking lot (any parking lot, they all >look alike to me) with me and a few of my closer friends. We started >hanging out together, and then I woke up. I FELT **SO** CHEATED!!! Hacky sack is like the old Irish game of "hot potato" (or "potatoe" if you're Dan Q.) only with the legs and feet, right? Does it help those of us with two left feet? >I realized at about 02h30 or so that it was Canada day, and that I had >stayed up for the whole time. So, happy 128th birthday, Canada! We love >you, even if some people don't. Yeah, happy Canada Day! And 128, wow, wow, wow (pow wow), that is a power of two (two to the seventh power!). And if you substract off the 1 for the hundred, you get 27, which is three to the power of itself. David Dalton 1995 1776 ------ 219=3*73 hmmm? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:466 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 0:09:35 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9507010957.AA13579@sun> Message-ID: fte:466 Subject: Re:Sarah sightings, a lot of BST.. Some minor corrections: I wrote: D> >dance club. We were quite sloshed and some members of our D> >party attempted to dance with "models" who were part of D> >a group directed by an older lady. They were models, not "models", as far as I know. D> >which for the Medusa would mean men inks. But I know Sarah D> >does lots of supportive things for men too (like pay a bunch) D> >so I think she is safe to go on at the Cecil. Huh? I shouldn't have written that since I have never been inside the Cecil, I stick to the "5cents a dance" place. (Actually I was dragged in once, for a friend's stag. Bad music/lighting.) Plus Sarah rarely loses her cool on stage, unless there is some asshole in the front row singing along out of key and gesticulating lewdly from mere feet away, when she has been known to pull out the heavy ammunition. David D., now in July 2nd territory, and my self-doping down has worn off but no sign of good poetry yet, I should have gone down to the jazz at the Plaza today for some rhythm. (Vancouver Jazz festival ends tomorrow, but I'll be at McLean field in the afternoon and at a team BBQ later so will probably catch only the tail end if any. Damn, I wish Sarah would whisk back to town to get the soft comb-o in form for the tour and get some oceanic celtic stimulation, but with a 10 day break that looks unlikely, Halifax or Montreal or Toronto would be my guess for the break.) "thesis? what crisis?" -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:467 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 0:41:01 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950702010251_106440996@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:467 Subject: Re:fall from grace? Cheryl wrote: >Laura =:) bladegirl, artist?, cafe junkie asked: ><< >She did her new song, Full of Grace, which was just beautiful--great lyrics. > Is that going to be released as a single? >>> >eek! The taboo topic. I think the lyric is "fall from grace", but don't >tell anyone I mentioned it. Haven't heard anything about a single. Sarah >seems due for another full-length effort soon (hint,hint), dontcha think? Yeah, I would love to have another full-length effort from Sarah soon, I kind of botched the last one (talking about camera shots, since most scans are talking head type shots, no boots.) The lyric used to be "fall from grace" but maybe in the break she saw my swan fumblings and they inspired her to change the lyrics??? (Yeah, right!) And in a couple of the recent reviews posted here and to a.m.s-m the title was given as Full of Grace. So I wouldn't mind seeing or hearing the new lyrics, only after her grace has given the list her permission, though. Oh, hell, maybe I'll hop a plane to NY in the morning and deal with scalpers. (Just kidding, my date with scalpers won't be until probably Wed., and not too short! I have slightly more silver every time.) And full of grace is more ambiguous, it could mean you are glowingly happy or it could mean you are fed up with the random walk dance that the chase for grace has led you on. Right now I'm somewhere in between, ready for a shove. And as always, I'm full of it, and off to make soda bread soon, but sure wish it was sofa bread. David D. (only a full) Message fte:468 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:29:58 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HSFQ3RLI4Y0050M6@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:468 Subject: Re: Uh... buncha stuff and things. John Shepard QWERTYed: >Remember a while back, when I was bitching about Deer Creek, and >saying things about the Deadheads? Well, I hate to say I Told >You So, but last night (July 02) about 10,000 Deadheads without >tickets tried to get into the Dead concert at Deer Creek. The >wall behind the lawn is now _gone_, > >Hey Cathy, Lane, or anyone else at Nettwerk listening, do >yourselves, me, and most of all Sarah a favor and make _damn_ >sure security is tight at Deer Creek on the 26th. Sarah is not the Dead, and has mostly a wide-age-spectrum (weighted towards the younger set) well-mannered intelligent, gender and orientation balanced fan base, and the ticket prices aren't quite high enough yet to incite such a rush. Stop trying to fan the fear, JS. Love rules! (But then again, John Lennon said that too, so I am sure Sarah's entourage and the Deer Creek people will exercise sensible precautions, safe singing.) >While I doubt >we'll see any riots, remember the place has a history of >audience problems. Much as I'd love to meet Sarah, get her >autograph, etc., I think her personal safety would have to >take precedence. 99.9% of Sarah's fans would never do anything to harm her, some would stop bullets for her (with their teeth?). Her main problem is not hordes of rampaging burned out hippies but in the fact that some fans become emotionally dependant upon her, and want to get too close. They can easily be fended off by a few simple security procedures/people, or even a simple statement that "I am in love with this person here and there is not a snowball's chance in hell for any of you wonderful consumers but keep buying my CDs and use the love secrets subliminally encoded in the music and you will be sure to find your own true love..." Like, other singer/songwriters have such problems too, but do married ones (e.g. Sam Philipps) and/or ones with children (e.g. Connie Kaldor) get hassled as much? Still, that is stupid, she shouldn't have to put up with such hassles from complete strangers even if she is single and gorgeous! Someone should develop an obsessive fan repellant spray! Actually all she has to do to is give them a cold look, through and then past them, whereas all she needs to do to nail one is to lock eye to eye and then drown him/her in those pools that resonate at 16k(ish) to have complete access to the regions that vibrate at lower frequencies should she desire. ["Ouch, watch where you put those tuning forks and metronomes! (-: " ] So, see, when she sings, I feel a lot better, as bill says. >And I think I have a way to _ensure_ security will be tight: >all I have to do is mention that Bruce Hornsby's _Hothouse,_ the >same album which sparked the abortion flamewar on here, is due >out July 18, Lets not bring that (mustard icecream) up again! (But July 18th is the date of my next pshrink appointment, unless I decide to take that week off, in which case I could move it a week earlier or later or just get the doctor to give me a prescription for Li to tide me over.) > the lineup changes. Although we go to these concerts mostly >to see Sarah, one has to admit the band as a whole is a major >part of the concert experience; even Camille, annoying as some ( >not me) think she is, is a welcome part of the show. Granted, >the stripped-down show with just Sarah, Ash, Dave, and Brian, >may be just as good as, or maybe better than, the show with >Luke, David, and Camille, but it will be _different._ And for >those of us who absolutely adored the full 7-person stage, we >will miss it on this tour. We may enjoy the 4-person, and any 6- >or 7-person lineups which may follow on future tours, but never >again will we see these seven people take the stage together. What about with the symphony? And who said that she has decided not to use this lineup in two (or less) years time? I bet they all have side projects to work on in the meantime but that most would jump at the chance to come back, unless Sarah decides to put out a solo album or form an all-woman all-star band with all her ecto friends, maybe with Natalie McMaster or Christina Smith on fiddle/viola/cello. And Sarah keeps adopting more and more street musicians, so maybe the lineup will be even bigger next time. But who are we to second-guess Sarah? (Jeans) >On the other hand, consider what this lineup is: all guitars >and most of the vocals by Sarah herself. She doesn't have >Camille to offload some of the tough parts now; it's just Sarah, >and her slightly alcohol-saturated vocal cords doing the magic. Alcohol saturated! Ha, she drinks from what I see and hear, way less than some of the healthiest people I know, I am gradually getting down there too. She is an excellent role model for young people, in that she can drink in moderation but I bet never before stage or studio singing, the Tom Waits thing was an emergency. It is people who have an unhealthy attitude towards alcohol that have more problems with it. Given that, I have not had any alcohol in a week, and will continue that for a while, except in emergencies. And without the mush of all the different instruments going, the listener can sit back and really give the few instruments left, particularly Sarah and her voices/guitar/piano/etc, some proper attention. Damn, I envy you guys, I won't get to hear her for ages and ages unless she does a benefit or something when she gets back in August. And I bet she's shopping for new clothes now, in ireland. (But if she's in town then I have one loaf left, and one loafer.) David D. Happy 7/4 USA! I deleted the usa.wav so play it for me, although not on my computer or I'll be a bit peeved! (Actually not, I could probably trace it. And I wouldn't be too surprised if the contents of my account have already been exposed; plus maybe someone has a scanner program on Usenet news because even after posting to rather obscure groups recently I was greeted with some direct and indirect references to the DD post! Maybe I'll have to go incognito, or clam up, or just be open as usual, or try more old-fashioned media for a change.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:469 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:59:16 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:469 Subject: lumberjax, hidden trax & guitar laughs (Re:fall from grace?) Sarah Woodruff wrote: >hi, i just saw her toronto show and artpark show. during both the shows >she had the same set list (even wore the same thing) but anyway, she said >at her artpark show that the new song is sometimes fall from grace and >sometimes it's full of grace. anyway, either way it's a beautiful song >and she just said that it wasn't quite finished yet. It sounds as though she is doing some advance market testing, or maybe this will be another hidden track one, with the hidden track hidden in different places on different pressings, or popping up in different places on each play, if it is a CD-Rom thingie that feeds off the date, easy as falling off a log with technology by the time it gets released. Speaking of hidden tracks, some have complained about the bit of ghost noise preceeding the hidden track of Possession on the North American release of FTE. But I kind of like it, it is like an advance warning, (like a tailbone spark) or a bit of a tail on the CD. But what I was wondering is: has anyone listened to that bit backwards? Maybe it is a sample from the opening track that has been turned backwards and perhaps slowed down slightly? Now that does not have any deep sexual connotations (except maybe via the tango)! Probably if unencoded it says "buy, buy, buy" and we are all missinterpreting that as "bi, bi, bi". David D. p.s. The name Woodruff reminds me of the time last summer when I picked up a piece of castoff cedar and twirled it, the fibre could make clothes, and I bet the original peoples could show us how. Cotton is dandy too though. I wonder what the electrical conductivity of these non-animal renewable non-synthetic fibers is? (I have to buy some new footwear sometime this week too, along with the haircut. "She's a faller and she's OK"... Maybe Sarah will buy David Byrne's Big Suit...Ha...I saw Sarah's stolen panties in the new Vancouver Hard Rock Cafe window yesterday (not really, it was the holy jeans)... And finally, the jade heart I have on my keychain is actually not too much different from a guitar pick in shape, but has a point, unlike this post, and is a bit heavier, like my heart (not really). Hey, maybe I can start back on that swan poem again, or a new one, but right now it is time for a break and food and no Railway tonight, maybe I'll go see Pulp Fiction at the Holywood, for the first time. Message fte:470 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 21:05:10 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507040057.UAA21567@post.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: fte:470 Subject: Re:i got to meet sarah DG11 wrote: >At 07:00 PM 03/07/95 -0400, Sarah Woodruff wrote: >>hi y'all. i just met sarah last night and it was absolutely wonderful. > >I told you it would be! But isn't it painful or something? >>i asked her if her stuff really got stollen In keeping with the last line, from my online webster: {stol-len n., pl. -len or -lens. A rich yeast bread containing raisins, citron, and chopped nut meats.[G]} Now I usually associate it with Christmas, my sister had a housemate once who made great braided rings! (-: >>and if that's why she had to buy >>those silver pants. I thought she said that the silver pants were all that the thief wouldn't take? >>she said yes, all of her journals, demo's and clothing was gone. Oh, no, that's terrible, the journals and demos especially! :-( A songwriter's creative notes are hard to replace, that could delay the new album even further, so let's hope she gets the goods returned soon. >>she asked me to post a message in case anyone knew anything about >>it because she really wants everything back. OK, I'd better not post that for-sale note just yet. :-) Seriously, with the fan base here and on the group, we should be able to spot any for-sale moves on the net at least if not off, and e-mail the cops. But with luck the thief will just take a few items, not know who the rest belongs to, and dump it at the local SPCA thrift store who will immediately recognize it and return it to Sarah (once I had a fantasy that one of the things I got from the thrift store was once Sarah's). Or if stolen such things would be hard to sell for much in the near future but perhaps if Nettwerk offered a small reward someone might turn up with them but not admit having stolen them, just found them. >Did you tell her we think Camille has it all? In London she talked only >about her duds being taken. Milk duds? >Whoever has the stuff has a large part of Sarah >that does not belong to them. If it is an obsessive fan stalker type then it would be even worse, and worse, could be someone on this list. But I hope it is just another big city car breakin and that the thief didn't even realize whose stuff it was until later. If not, how could any real fan rob from such an innocent one, depriving her of her creative passion. s/He should be flogged. >>plus i told her about all of us that we talk about her and her music. she >>thought that it was really cool. > >Did you suggest she might get on here with us after the tour? I still think she is on here occasionally under a pseudonym or at least knows lots about the dirty deeds done on here. But given the flop of the chat session, maybe Sarah would be willing to set up a delayed type e-mail interaction session, to last the length of a bottle of Mission Hill red wine, so she would pick a day at random, sign on and invite replies on the list, and everybody would have time to think about their replies a bit and she could just pick a few to reply to by spinning the bottle of the cursor and mouse or something if there are too many for her to handle given her limited typing speed (just as well, we wouldn't want her to have tendonitis, which I think I could avoid by being gentler, using a split-wing wide crescent moon dvorak keyboard, doing the exercises I learned in grade 9, and taking breaks). How to tell she isn't a fake? Maybe Nettwerk could introduce her? But then again, with a packet sniffer and inserter it would be easy to fake something coming from Nettwerk too (i.e, make something apparently from nettwerk). David, hugry (who used that word first? actually i'm hungry too) Message fte:471 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 21:29:25 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950703213606_24765688@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:471 Subject: Re:Sarah M. of course DC Wood wrote: >I'm completely new to this so bear with me if I'm hitting some ground already >covered here. Welcome! >I saw the 7/1 show at Meadowbrook (Michigan), and while it was >of course wonderful, it was exactly the same as the one last time she was in >town. But from other reviews I thought that while the set list was nearly the same, she had made some touch-ups in the arrangements, plus learned some new hand symbols :-). She can't really scramble things around at random since her shows have a thematic and energetic progression, it is a lot of work to come up with a new one, and also all the technicians and backing musicians need to be re-trained. Plus this isn't really a new tour, just a few tail end shows to the old one; I bet the soft combo coheadliner set list with the Chieftains opening will be different, so check that out. And it is impossible to please everyone, as John S. has demonstrated you, some people complain about change, even though without change there is creative death. Creativity mostly happens between tours, for most, and especially for large combos, but with the soft core of the band doing some hard and soft rocking I bet there will be more room for jamming and shouted requests. Plus the last break between tours was fairly short and from what we have heard, filled with some personal trauma, here's wishing for smoother waters ahead for Sarah! >She even told the exact same story--about an ex flame of hers who had >wronged her--as an intro to Plenty. I know she hasn't put out a new album >between the two shows, but I was surprised that she didn't change a thing She tells it like it is, that is why we love her, right? Should she make up new stories? (Or tell the stories behind the ones she never does, maybe because they are pure creativity, whatever that is.) >(same silver pants even). Doesn't it drive HER nuts to do the exact same set >every night for months on end? Yeah, she has said that she is starting to suffer from tour burnout, and wants to get back to creating, but she also derives great joy in blowing away audiences with her fully realized FTE and earlier material. Plus I bet 90% of each audience on the FTE tour are seeing her for the first time, only the rich hardcore go to more than one show on the same tour, so she is catering to the humble masses (I almost said unshaven masses). >If anyone cares to respond, I am curious to find out if Sarah is any more >popular in Canada than she is here. Yes, unlike some artists that are more well known outside their home town or country, Sarah is extremely popular right here in Canada. Her FTE album spent 77 weeks on the local Top 50 album chart, and I think made it to number 1 (at least 7). Now that may vary from province to province and from city to rural areas somewhat, my older siblings in Newfoundland hadn't heard of her when I brought home her CDs in Dec93, and I doubt she gets much airplay on the country stations that you pick up on your car radio in between the gigs. David D. p.s. now I'm even more hugry (after I checked to see who used it first) The Vineyard? Naam? Benny's? Naaa, home. Message fte:472 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 16:36:30 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:472 Subject: clothing bummer (was Re:i got to meet sarah) Dave O'Toole wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, David Dalton wrote: >> I thought she said that the silver pants were all that >> the thief wouldn't take? > >On seeing her pants, my friend Scott said that apparently she's started >borrowing clothes from Bono. Sarah McPhisto? ;) Sounds more like Cher, in the old days. Do they match her N.S.Guitar? >> Oh, no, that's terrible, the journals and demos especially! :-( >> A songwriter's creative notes are hard to replace > >Yes, this is a MAJOR bummer. Clothes are just clothes, I disagree, favourite old clothes are like a security blanket, a memory jog, and it takes a while to work some in, new clothes are not the same. So I hope she left all her favourite old clothes at home and just took the stage stuff and disposable tour overalls. But she can bum some old clothes off me if she likes. (-: >but the demos and >journals are really a part of her. What a devastating loss that must be. >What's worse is that some of her demos may end up in the wrong hands - >end up being sold as bootlegs or become someone else's "big hit". She's smart enough to have registered anything good with CAPAC. :-) What is the US equivalent, I forget? Maybe the lawsuit bunch did it for insurance? Nawwwwwwww. In geophysics DMO means dip moveout. >I just got done reading the Rolling Stone interview with Soul Asylum's >Dave Pirner. He keeps photocopies of all of his journals in a box in a >safe place somewhere. I hope Sarah does the same... Maybe she faxes it to herself or scams them in and backs them up remotely at Nettwerk and Arista offices in case of fire or earthquake or water damage? Or maybe the notebooks are just a tool for doodling with and then the song springs forth later, a flower from the doo doo? Oh, we'll never know. (What are all those white bell(e) flowers called? Maybe the blue flower was really a late blooming white flower under blue earthlight reflected from the new moon, or blue due to retina cone damage from staring at the sun? No, it was blue, glowing, strangely odourless, like a paper rose, not like the two-week old rose petals I have at home, Touchdown.) I had to return the qi gong book today due to a July 4 hold on it, but photocopied chapter 4 (the metre reading was 553). Now I have 3 books out, due by July 18. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:473 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:03:24 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950704013951_107514073@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:473 Subject: Re:REWARD: For sarah's stuff Lois wrote: >I'm sure the person who stole it knew who they were taking it from (well, >they do now if they didn't before) and I'm sure it was *not* one of us - not >our style. But I *do* think it would be great if we could devise a plan - >with our international access - to help find the culprit(s). >I, personally, would donate money for a reward fund- together, we could set >up a nice reward. Perhaps a personal thank-you note from Sarah, a piece of her artwork, and a backstage pass, and signed picture with Sarah, and thank-you on the next album liner notes, would induce the culprit to pretend he found the stuff and come forward or induce a true fan to somehow scrounge up the stuff by sensitive detective work? >Maybe we could run a big ad in the London, Ontario paper (that's where her >stuff was stolen, right?) I thought it was Toronto (Hogtown)? >Besides, I really think we could use the scope of this list to reach lots of >folks, somehow. If we don't do all that we can possibly do to get her stuff >back, then who will? We could have a clothing drive for Sarah, and worry about the reward for the demos and notebooks. I was looking for some patch material today and found some old stuff that she could have, not the 9-yr old silver jeans which I intend to patch (or not), but maybe the 12 year-old stretch jean cutoffs that are a little too snug (for me) to wear in the city much now that a wee bit of my weight has migrated south and a wee bit transmuted from muscle to water and flab, net weight the same as 1980 though. Or maybe the equally old but less worn 100% cotton painter pants? Oh well, I shouldn't joke about someone else's misfortune, besides, remember your birthday card effort? Maybe I should just take up running again and hope she runs me over on her Bauers, or was it a mountain bike, tanned M. >I've been robbed (with a knife at my throat) before, but I'm not sure it >would feel any better (even though she didn't have contact - thank God!) if I >knew stuff like journals, etc. were in some creep's hands. That's so very >personal and it's like they stole a part of her that they have no right to >have access to. I can't imagine how violated I would feel if that was my >stuff, but I imagine it must be something close to rape. Especially because >most people's journals are very personal to them. My business profile in my >community is a little higher than the average working person (I'm a news >editor), so I guard my privacy intensely. I imagine that privacy is cherished >ten-fold when you have such a high profile existence like Sarah's. Yes indeed, especial with all the slavering fans out there! I sure hope she left her personal love/etc life diaries safe at home. Or maybe the journals were like tour records and creative ideas on the road and notes about cute fans, and she left the important long term stuff at home. Surely if she had taken cherished new material on the road and lost it it would have shown in her performance by now? If not, what a trooper! I've never been robbed directly, maybe occasionally of ideas, and I guess of a few years of my life but I hope in the long run it will have been worth the pain. (After that I will have to keep a close eye on my laundry on the line next week, or rather the stuff stored as filler in my suitcases that form a makeshift bedside table with cloth cover. Aha, but I've already taken some stuff out for mending if I don't have anything better to do tonight.) >Let me know what you think. I think that Sarah and Nettwerk and Sarah's Toronto friends will have already put one or more plans in motion to get the material back, and our fumbling might upset the cart. So I think if we do anything we should clear it with Nettwerk first, and try to coordinate our efforts somehow, no two left feet, but our baby feet standing atop nettwerk's big brother feet and lending them more energy in the search for Sarah's missing clothes. >THIS MAY BE FAR-FETCHED, Join the club, air(NOT!) smiles for every eyebrow raise! (I don't have an Air Miles card yet, but could share when I move, after the party. What party? Lolla? Unless I get a better offer since I'm not in crowd mode I plan to sit in UBC Botanical Garden on a bench nearest the stadium or in an appropriate botanical location, at least for Sinead's set and maybe Hole's given all the kurfuffle [how do you spell that?] that has piqued my interest, I don't want to write off Hole without at least giving them a listen from a distance, moving closer if the music warrants it.) David D. p.s. Is the tour bus a double decker or single decker? I think a single from the yoga group shot but lost that. Wish I could open up that wide again, the hips need work. Are Sarah's eyes both the same colour? Re the eyebrows, at least they don't meet, and they remind me of a trick my US-ian friend Rob Luzitano (who just finished his M.Sc., is unattached, has a V-job, and is an expert in environmental ground penetrating radar and ocean kayaking, for any women out there) does with a bill with the queen on it. Oh, and he is a Railway Club member (a few years older than me since he has actually worked for a while but I've been a member longer so there), maybe I'll drag him down there on Wednesday, or not if fireworks happen before then. Safety in numbers, right, less chance of the train grinding to an unauthorized stop at the mercy of some lone eagle desperado. (Where is the train switch anyway, on stage?) Message fte:474 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:38:05 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507050051.UAA29709@post.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: fte:474 Subject: the name game (was Re: lumberjax) DG11 wrote: >At 07:59 PM 03/07/95 UTC-0700, David Dalton wrote: >Sarah Woodruff wrote: >> >>p.s. The name Woodruff reminds me of the time last summer >> when I picked up a piece of castoff cedar and twirled it, >> the fibre could make clothes, and I bet the original >> peoples could show us how. > >Well Sarah Woodruff, how do you feel about a fellow FTE'er envisioning you >as a piece of cedar? Cedar is an important tree, as are all. >Cast off no less. Cast off by the cedar as a gift to us. Imagine a light, woven durable waterproof breathing cedar replacement for animal leather. Now figure out how to do it and I'll buy some. The name Woodruff has lots of other beautiful connotations, for one, a wooden bead necklace made by Sarah. Perhaps jade rings and fiber or wood or mineral accessories are the way to go for conductivity match with the body, unlike metal accessories which can be dangerous in thunderstorms. David D. Message fte:475 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:44:01 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507051821.NAA09424@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu> Message-ID: fte:475 Subject: Re:sister? Jennifer wrote: >I keep reading about Mary and how Sarah dedicates it to the moon and her >sister. On the FTE video, she mentions having 2 brothers (and she talks >about what both of her parents and both of her brothers do for a living) >but nothing about a sister. Anyone? I thought it was for her sisters, in the sence of sorority sisters, i.e., sisterhood, so for all those out there who have a handle on what she is doing. And everyone starts out female in the womb but some of us get disadvantaged later on but we are sisters in a sense too so there! How could she howl at the moon last week when it was mostly new or set by the time she was up? She must have been wrecked! (That was rushed.) Davoid Message fte:476 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:50:44 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HSIIFMTKS2005H99@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:476 Subject: Re:Uh... stuff? JOhn S. wrote: >Well, if Nettwerk would get around to releasing a Sarah >McLachlan bumper sticker... WHy don't you make your own up? And why, do the holey jeans expose areas that offend your fundie sensibilities? David Message fte:477 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:10:09 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:477 Subject: BST: VW, SOC, eden Here's a hypothetical question, unlikely to occur but we thrive on non-hurtful speculation, right: If Sarah was to form a supergroup, let's code name it VW, with four other superwomen, who would you choose to go in the group for compatibility in terms of music and voice and other matters? Really, every woman singer songwriter that comes along is getting unjustly labelled as just another grrrl with guitar, or another "you sound like Joni Mitchell/Kate Bush/whatever", or analyzed to death since they stick out in the band, and there has not yet been a supergroup to rival The Beatles in terms of popularity and rocking vocal harmonies (Everly-like, I was going to say something about the red shadows, but today is purple, it seems, see below). I don't think I'd want such a pentagroup (VW), it is just a hypothetical question, but it would solve the problem of an album every three years since combining forces would lead to a very strong album every year (which Sarah could do on her own if she didn't tour). Today I went for a walk in the garden (UBC Botanical Garden and Asian Garden) to get acquainted with SInead O'Connor live for the first time (a garden wall is a stadium wall). I got better sound than some people inside since the talking yahoos didn't carry out to me but SInead sure did. She was great, really can sustain both high and low breath notes, I take back what I said about Universal Mother being slightly flat and depressed, really she has just found her lullaby voice to balance the fire, and she showed both today. The garden perked me up even more, and I thought that the asian garden had some nice nooks and crannies for cuddling with a blanket and bootle of red wine after dark (with somebody else) although that would be illegal. I was going to go back for Hole but the computer kept me here and now I must run. Oh, and most of the flowers were purple but there were some orange and red, and the purple looked red through my blue blockers, except for the really blue-purple ones. Do Sarah's jeans look like silver birch, beech, silver maple, or snake-eye maple? Oh, and I had to resist eating the apples, so now I'm a pushover (hugry). David D Message fte:478 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 17:15:34 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:478 Subject: Re:sister? Dave O wrote: >On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Jennifer Heather Davidow wrote: >> I keep reading about Mary and how Sarah dedicates it to the moon and her >> sister. >Maybe it's the moon's sister she's referring to...Earth? We had a >discussion on the environmental themes running through Mary on the list a >long while back, maybe that's what she means. This is getting close to >Dalton's area, any ideas, DD? No, I talked to Gaia today in the shower, prayed for rain for the forest fires and fire of the appropriate kind for the people, including me. Then I said "Gaia, love me one more time before the firewater". She said "little man, you are way too young and small for me, until your death in the twinkling of my eye, all you get is my mother of all mothers type of love". I said "great, then can you play the biggest matchmaker". She said "I already made you a match". Then I pondered "but a match doesn't burn under water, does it?" Maybe I should take more liThium? No, that puts a bulge in the D. DD Message fte:479 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 17:34:35 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507060737.DAA21712@post.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: fte:479 Subject: Re:Break Time DGeleven wrote: >Guesses what Sarah et al. will do between now and July 13th. > >A. Go back to Toronto, baseball bat in hand, to find whoever stole her stuff. > >B. Go straight to NYC and get some clothes shopping done before the Lifebeat > show. > >C. Go up to Morin Heights for the last of peace and quiet til Aug. 6th. Maybe > Pierre showed up in Buffalo to lend some moral support, and offer that > somehow or another she can get around this screw up. > >D. E. During the break one forgets and heals and tans and if unlucky prepares for supplemental exams, or summer camp. But I sure wish I could brake my old bad habits, like being an ice lens/mirror, fire away, fire deep within, cold shell, empty until knocked hard when in tune. Oh why? D D Message fte:480 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 17:47:18 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:480 Subject: Re:sister? Sarah (the only one on the list) wrote: >in response to her howling at the moon, it was really funny because there >actually was no moon. Maybe she was howling at a hairy mon with glasses? >it was completely clouded over and in the toronto >show it was thundering and lightning out, although she didn't do it as >much as she did at the artpark show. She must have broken her vegetarian vows? No, really her upper voice is good enough to do the thunder and lightning, even without the strong tailwind. >oh, i think that sarah was really >messed up for the artpark show, she was pretty funny, and seemed at >little baked at the time Great, she got those brownies I sent her! And thanks for the tip, I'll check my home CD player for a loose resistor (resistance is lower when you are tight). DD Message fte:481 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 18:05:42 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507062044.NAA01748@maelstrom.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: fte:481 Subject: Re:a chuckle, a tickle (perhaps a light flame?) Karl Johnson wrote: >well, some coincidences are good for a laugh, and some are too good >to be true. This "squid one" was for reel (using a DD-style >malapropism). I like that word. But squid are caught with jigs, so 4/4, not reels, or 6/8 which in fraction terms are 3/4, not 2--4, right? :-) Uh oh, I forgot about slip jigs (single jigs) which I played last night after the burning Touch. (I regret that, now I need a new touch, just have two nibbled silver D's and some ashes, but it was really a way to shed the old pain, for me, to sever the old anchor and move on together now that the storm is over.) DD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:482 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 18:53:31 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HSK32KJ6UQ0056R1@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:482 Subject: Re:Sorta more stuff John Shepard s-pewed: >From: dalton@geop.ubc.ca >>JOhn S. wrote: >>>Well, if Nettwerk would get around to releasing a Sarah >>>McLachlan bumper sticker... >>WHy don't you make your own up? >How? Just cause I'm a genius don't mean I can do _everything._ Huh? Print shops can do big banners, I bet they can do bumper stickers, just take them a hardcopy of text or a postscript file on a floppy and get them to make up bumper stickers with her name or a quote or something. Or try yoga. >>And why, do the holey jeans expose areas that offend >>your fundie sensibilities? > >To what are you referring? The holes in jeans often are signs of hot spots, sometimes these move over time (i.e., your 10 year old jeans may have holes in different spots than the 5 year old ones, or not. They are a clue from Mother Goose, maybe? Now I have to get some funky patches for my silver levis and my extra comfey blue levis. Actually I was referring to the flower patches post of a while ago, that people leave holes in the jeans so the knees can kiss or they can patch them with real plants. >>As far as the idea of Sarah in a supergroup (BTW...my first post to this >>list), I don't think it's as fair to limit the group to just woman. In real life, of course not, but this is hypothetical, surely you can thing of a few good women? (No, they are all baaad.) >>finally getting their chance to shine, but I would question the creative >>forces behind the assumed supergroup...(anyone follow me at all?) Yeah, they would have to have a good reason to get together and some creative and life compatibilities and play compatible instruments, but again this is hypothetical. >Most female musicians don't get due credit at all, unless their >"talent" happens to be in stripping on stage. Sad truth of the >music industry. I think people will start to sit up and pay attention soon, hee hee, another tip from Mother Goose's acoustics book. What is the resonant frequency of the prostate? And if the spine is considered as an antennae, how do you spark the tailbone (base chakra)? With the moon on fire, the two halves of earth up above and the two halves of sun further up will surely come into tune. >Guess we're right: female musicians just don't get enough >credit. There are women out there who could blow away any of >the men I listed, but nobody knows they exist. Maybe Sarah could be the pivot point and introduce them to you, she has been doing that anyway with all the opening acts. But for long term harmony if they formed such a band, if these relative unknowns are to function properly in the strong partnership then a funky band name would be best, besides, funky band names are more rocking than some individual names, unless maybe their initials formed a good enough anagram. But again, this is all purely speculation, just for fun, and I think the current lineup is good enough to last well into the 21st century, like The Moody Blues. >Well, you know what they say about guys with long posts... They are vampire hunters, and team with the silver bearers! Hey, I haven't had any garlic in 9 years, oops make that days. (Off to cook soon.) >From: dg11@knot.QueensU.CA >> >>Guesses what Sarah et al. will do between now and July 13th. >> >>A. Go back to Toronto, baseball bat in hand, to find whoever stole her stuff. > >Aa. Go back to Toronto with a dull knife to find whoever stole >her stuff. Yeah: "Hands up! Spread 'em!" >Ab. Go back to Toronto with a tank of concentrated saline >solution, to find whoever stole her stuff. Wok on water? Walk on ice-9? >>D. I get a break today too? >D. 24 hours of wild sex with Harrison Ford Wasn't that covered in the director's cut in Aa? >D1. 24 hours of wild sex with Larry "Bud" Mellman He's not wise, he's wiser! >E. Play Tetris till she drops Uh oh, rushing roulette tables can sometimes do the helicopter (is that a dance, or related to J.P. getty?) >F. Smoke dope and play Doom II. No, she likes white chocolate brownies! >G. Get drunk and start dancing naked on the tables at Sophie's. At brunch????? Oh wait, there could be a wee bit of sleep in between the drunk and the burnch (good hot sauce, red juice for the coward). >From: padilla@soleil.acomp.usf.edu >> >>Last night, I was working at the Melissa Etheridge show in Tampa... >>Umm... Paula Cole opened.... after hearing all of the rave reviews about >>her, it was time to decide for myself... when she came on, her guitarist >>had on those silver lame pants!!!! then I got to think that maybe he >>took all of sarah's stuff! hmm.... probably not, but who knows... >>anyways... Paula was awesome... I loved her rendition of Jolene, and her She's the hip drummer, right? Does she know Rory, the eclectic harpist... Can she play bodhran or bongo? >>Paula's drummer is a real crack up too. The way he hunches over his set makes >>him look exactly like one of my programmers...pretty scary. Does he butt out his cigs on the (asymmetrically hot) high hats and have the hole a bit loose, wide and off centre like John Bonham and Keith Moon so that they sound more like a cascading shower of crystal notes than a whip crack or witch hunt fire log crack? Wow, sounds like another good dissertation topic, but I'm trying to breathe new life into the current one before I move on. What's that smell? Freebird? Yeah, right. David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:483 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 19:43:53 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507070115.VAA17515@post.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: fte:483 Subject: pulling of legs (was Re:sister?) dg11 spake: >Which makes me believe even more that it's time for a long quality off-road >break. The saturation point for touring may be reducing exponentially with >each passing "leg". I'm feeling the same way about my Internet touring and think I will have to back off from it a bit soon, I have been using the net as a crutch of sorts and it is preventing me from opening up more in my 3-D personal life. Also, partly it is a procrastination scheme, to keep me from either trashing or finishing my thesis (I am strongly leaning towards giving the thesis the old splash, but who would hire a wiredo like me? Maybe McDonald's?) >Maybe it also speaks volumes about the significance of some of the stuff >that got stolen (a sensitivity reading if you will)....perhaps there really >was gold mine stuff that she feels is "Lost" from that theft. To have to >tour, with that to deal with?? Yeah, right. But often a first draft can be off track and really set the mold that cannot be broken, and if you lose it then the very best bits are wedged in memory and the reconstructed version is often much better, I have had this experience with old term papers, not with my computer files yet though (but the sysadmins backup). >Can I raise one last point about the role of the net in all this? Has >anyone whose been to this set of concerts (Cleveland - Lewiston) actually >heard her talk about EXACTLY what was stolen (besides her clothes) on stage? Joy in touring? I hope not! the earth likes being scratched in different spots now and again, but I bet like a real person might need a breather too after the last furiously paced FTE/FS touring. >The first the net knew about it was from same name Sarah's post, from a 1:1 >conversation with her. same name Sarah did tell her about the net, so >Princess Sarah would realize (?) it's going to be all over netdome. Oh, after the fall from grace hullabub she knows! And come to think of it, I haven't heard anything in the reel media about it yet although I guess the Straight will catch up soon. >If in fact she hasn't been talking about "the details" on stage, then read >that as evidence about the volume of this (as Nettwerk Sarah would likely >say) fuckup. Are we the holders of relatively privileged info? Could be. > >Opinions? I think that Sarah and Nettwerk are finally starting to give some serious respect to the power of the Internet, so yes we are a privileged lot, so I guess if I take a hiatus soon I will become underprivileged. David D. Message fte:484 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 17:26:52 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950706223620_26879497@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:484 Subject: Re:Supergroup Marvin wrote: >Today I purchased Natalie Merchant's Tigerlily. Jennifer Turner has laid >down some fine guitar riffs. She is the best female guitarist (other than >sarah) that I've heard in years. Has anyone else heard better? If so, let >me know so i can check them out. Ellen McIlwaine is hot enough to incite rugwards expansion of the dance floor at the Railway Club. (I think she can play bass too but forget. Is there a slide in bass? Only the strange angel knows, it depends whether the base is first, second or third.) I think Sue Medley and Sue Foley can play too but haven't heard them live yet. DD 4055 --> MM MM LV Who's the quatre? 4l + 55? 2g; 2l; 55? 4l, 2s? (be nice to me, I gave blood today, and did the Sghetto loop) Speculate that blood could be used homeopathically, so dumped in the ocean or something, and that it might be beneficial for men and meopausal women to give blood regularly and that it is good for men to shave and floss before making love since the micro amounts of blood transferred have beneficial effects. No large quantities needed, maybe just the faint smell? Oh, and thought that maybe blood could be cultured, so grow blood, and have it on a tofu-like substrate or something. And maybe a mix of the HIV viruses becomes stable like a family and not dangerous. And maybe a HIV killed body buried at sea will attract stuff that can cure HIV? Ha yeah right. Maybe it has something to do with the smokey holes (vents). Message fte:485 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:33:52 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:485 Subject: BST: cher diary While looking through my drawers for my old red cross card today I came across a lot of stuff, notably my old summer trip diary from 1976 and 1978 (english and french). I left the drawers strewn around my messy apt (must clean later) and thumbed through the diaries. Both trips were in July. One notable date is July 13, when something bad happened, in 1978 it was the big knee injury on the way to Le Chapeau Mountain (on July 7th I went to the doctor for a blue finger, July 8 dance) and in 1976 it was a big fight between my sister and brother-in-law and a visit to Wordsworth cottage and Lakes Ullswater etc. After Mary gave in (or did she?) we visited a 1500 BC stone circle, I think only partly upright at the time. The nearest town was Cockermouth. (So maybe some spanielsh slipped in?) Given the spanish thing, do we get california oranges or florida in bc? I guess it depends on the time of the year, Mexico and NZ may send stuff our way in certain months, but which months? Go West, young hen? But is it my east or your east, and which way does the barber pole point? Oh on July 7, 1976 it was a walk to Birkenhead Park and on July 8 laundry, an old windmill, and skittles. (That was near the Beatles' home, and there were good chocolate bars.) Now I am going to see what kind of lunar phase correlation, now that the solar stuff (stone circle/etc) is out of the way, or wait, stoned circe might have a say in the matter, see below. 1995: we are just past D-moon, so a D-moon that is full of BS (poetry?) D-moon July 5 full moon July 11 and 12. 1978: JUly 5 new moon July 12--13 D-moon 1976: July 4 D-moon, July 10--12 (11) full moon (a centred full moon, of course allowing for time zone differences) So this year's lunar phase seems in tune with the England/Wales one which takes me away from the stone circle (full moon) to Wales on July 18 and the town of Llangollen, the River Dee, St. Mary's Church, british tea in Church's Mansion, and (actually before all that) Valle Crucis Abbey, with nice celtic pillar/arch artwork that I have a picture of with me. In 1976 on the D-moon I arrive din LIverpool by train and went to Birkenhead by ferry. In 1978 it looks boring, D-moon was school, gym and a flying doctor arrived. In 1995 I had V beer my dear (thanks) and some excellent cletic influenced pub rock music. Oh, I guess the full moon was ok since it was wordsworth. bloody 'ell! [More england, starting on July 1, a bank holiday, I arrived at Heathrow a day earlier than my sister and brother-in-law had thought and was stranded there for several hours, age 12. While I was there they paged David Halton, I went up by mistake but eventually my brother-in-law got in from Merseyside, delayed due to the bank holiday. Back then, in 1976 I think I was pre-O (not in 1978 though), definitely pre-shared-O. Wait, with the french connection that reminds me of Stranger in a Strange Land, again and again. Twelfth Night and Barry Lyndon figured in there too. (earlier). And Wordsworth's other house Rydal Mount on July 10. We were staying at LOngthwaite farm, B&BS. Hallin Fell was JUly 11, and lunch under a 800+ yr old tree, and Brougham castle (12th century). July 12 was Wordsworth's third house, Dove Cottage (did he sleep everywhere or what, like the old presidents?). July 14 was the wildlife park, Brough castle and The Copper Kettle PUb (my first time in a pub I guess). Oh, and in black (added after the blue) it says "we visited Westmorland", I left the e out, unlike Stan and Archie? July 15 was the Buskin Museum and Wray Castle and lunch at The Kirkstone Inn in fog and rain (high pass). July 16 was Hadrian's Wall and Housetead's Ford (2nd century), Yorkshire and Fountain Abbey and stayed in Ripon. (In black we passed through Carlyle, Northumberland, Durham and Yorkshire) July 17th was Haworth, lunch near the Bronte waterfall, saw the Bronte house and museum, back to Birkenhead, fish and chips all in black except sleeping in and having breakfast earlier, Passed through Greater Manchester, Cheshire, Merseyside. Then after the Wales trip on the 18th things settled down, Chester Cathedral and Roman wall on Aug. 2, red ink begins on Aug. 6 and I got some presents at a caravan type fair. Black ink resumes on Aug. 9, we went back to the zoo again in Chester and saw Sleuth play. On Aug. 11 I bought a toy knife and whip that I gave to my neighbour on my return, and played more skittles. Then in the diary comes old Quebec city, plains of Abraham, Chateau Frontenac, wax museum, Chateau Laurier, museums, parliament, Reubens, Ste Anne de Beaupre, Montmorency Falls, bus ride tour, olde churches, wine cellars, etc, zoo (smaller and less variety than Chester). Ferry ride to what looks like Levis but must be something else (Lewis? Ile Gros?) Revolving restaurant, 2 revs, La Concorde restaurant, Ste Foy/Place Laurier, fog bus trip from Fredericton to Halifax, long delay, flight to Deer Lake, then more bus home, all from May 21, 1978 to May 27, 1978 so I was in Halifax airport before 1980! The 1978 entry May 27 caught my eye "left Quebec 10:10 and went to Fredericton, 40min wait to change" (then it doesn't say bus but I remember a bus) "to Halifax" where we had a 4 hour wait." Weather was variable. Then comes all the French french stuff, JUly 2, 1978--July 16, 1978 (actually it went later but I stopped writing the diary) There were 10 guys and 50 girls at the summer school, and I had the misfortune to bust my knee, plus could have used a haircut and was pre-braces and tall but scrawny and girls mature faster at first (but three of the girls next door visited me with a nice card on July 15, when I stayed home while everyone else went to a big evening bonfire and marshmallow roast. And on July 14, Bastille Day, everyone else won all kinds of bottles of booze at the fair and went to a dance. So my french didn't really get any better. August was the Forestry Resources Camp. I have lots more details but will refrain from boring you today. And after the diary stopped being written I ended up playing lots of badminton and some basketball and a wee bit of soccer and softball even though my knee wasn't totally healed [maybe my knee heals faster around french girls? No, that can't be right, they were only learning french too, except for the (older) teachers]. And the Halifax hotel in 1980 had a popular nightclub off the lobby but I was "only 16" so I just peeked in and went off to my solitary pleasures (reading 5 books in one day, no doubt, but I forget what, nothing that stuck, or did it). So anyway, July76 and May,July,Aug78 were travelling times for me else I tend to stick in one spot (sometimes too long), unless the spot travels when things can get relativistically complicated and sticky. But the best spots are worth sticking around, like Home, whether she and hers are relaxing or travelling or both. I was going to sort the above into something more coherent but you can do it, or not, and there is lots more so contact me directly if you see signs of a cosmic plot afoot that I am missing. David D. 7/7/95 What's a bilingual? Message fte:486 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:53:32 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:486 Subject: Re:sister? (fwd) John Robinson plucked: >from the puntifications of David Dalton: >>No, I talked to Gaia today in the shower, prayed for rain for >>the forest fires and fire of the appropriate kind for the >>people, including me. Then I said "Gaia, love me one more >>time before the firewater". She said "little man, you >>are way too young and small for me, until your death in >>the twinkling of my eye, all you get is my mother of all >>mothers type of love". I said "great, then can you play >>the biggest matchmaker". She said "I already made you a >>match". Then I pondered "but a match doesn't burn under >>water, does it?" >>Maybe I should take more liThium? No, that puts a bulge in the D. >>DD >David, i am filled with great trepidation and fear knowing that i >understood that post. If i could only determine whether my life was >half-empty or half-full, then i could know peace. You see, when I fake it and put it in terms that people understand you do but then there might be stuff left out. So above I was partly faking it, of course I didn't really hear any powerful voices in my shower or anything (I just put up my 1987 shower curtain though) but was sort of talking to my inner voice, fumbling away with the old conscience, and rewrote it like all the old mystics did I bet. The problem with that is that if people don't know where you are coming from (stuff lost) then stuff can get misinterpreted. >Maybe it's catching... Language proficiency improves with practice or even subliminally due to exposure. But I bet you get only the good bits that way, the osmosis method. David D. off to to have a soft biere or a few pale ale (except that Koerner's don't have the braNd [ouch] on my shorts). But I'm sure the right woman could drink me under the table very easily, although I could match her drink for drink (O for O?). That's not deceiving, which works both ways, white lies can turn potential white hot to blue cool. Oh no, this is getting disjointed. I need some (soul) food. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:487 - Sent Send-date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 1:17:52 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950707233219_27680143@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:487 Subject: Re:Fear on Due South Pndorra boxed: P> And for those of you still wondering...in a 1990 interview, Sarah stated that P> her vocal range is 3 and a half octaves (same as Kate Bush). But the starting point is different and Sarah has more nested levels of acoustic complexity than Bush, at least to my ear. P> So, that should P> settle the twelve octave controversy (smirk--being facetious with this last P> comment in case you can't tell.) Twelve octaves is impossible, right, unless you divide it up (harmonize) or overlap it and shift it with technology like they do with the crickets on the Robbie Robertson and the Red Road Ensemble CD, only the other way (sing to the crickets, eh). P> Hmmm. I'm a little skeptical about the claim P> that Mariah Carey has a seven octave vocal range, though... is that humanly P> possible? Maybe she is factoring in the double voice and exagerrating, plus at least to my ear her music is heavy in the lower spontaneous combustion (not stimulated) wind scale, not good in the fight to end global warming (after the buildup) but ok for a laugh. (Actually I haven't listened to her ever that I remember so I take all that back, and she has a good name, like everybody.) P> Just curious what the source for that bit of info is. I'll concede P> that she can sing in the 'only-dogs-can-hear-it' range, so perhaps this is P> where she picks up the extra 3-4 octaves? Sounds like whistling dixie, ring around the rosey, pockets full of posey, or maybe her hair sings the light fantastic. P> I've just never heard her get very P> low, ooohhh, those low (volume) growlers, really perk the ears up, especialy with the right accent up close. P> so am curious how she covers SEVEN octaves. Maybe it is the Richter scale? 3.5 is a little earthquake, 7 really shakes the footings. P> I'm not saying you're wrong, P> whoever posted the info, so please don't jump down my throat! But if you can P> educate me a little, I'd really like to know if it's possible. }= ) I'll have to get a music book out someday, probably someone will beat me to it, though. P> Thanks! [Now fumbling towards the bedroom as it's much too late...] Sleep well! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:488 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:02:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:488 Subject: Re:aye carumba! new sarah mix! Steve wrote: >Holy dance music batman! Okay Saturday night with the radio on ( thank >goodness for that ) and I'm listening to Chris Sheppards "Pirate Radio" >and then he mentions Sarah McLachlan?!?! To my amazement there is a dance >remix of Sarah's "Possession" this seems wierd as Sarah and Dance do not >go hand in hand That's silly, her stuff is great to do tai chi to! Maybe she likes freestyle dancing (as well as haikusake) more than folk/ballroom/jive/square/line/two-step at least to start with? But those babe boots could be dangerous! DD Message fte:489 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:16:22 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:489 Subject: lunch or a "mug-up"? Today when I was leaving I had my lunch in a plastic bag and decided the reach for a paper one instead. The first was a tiny bag (maybe candy or stamps or something) but then the second one was this big long one that fit the lunch nicely. When I looked at it I laughed out loud, it was the freebie giveaway bag from the 10th Anniversary (Nettwerk) Concert, sourdough and rye went in it quite well. For tea, winks? (A twinkling of an eye can be long or slow, it depends on how deep the eyes are and the lock combination.) ??? DD (If you take the supposed or actual lifespan of the earth as a liquid and the length of a good twinkling of an eye, and divide the twinkling by (let's say) my cu chulaiinn revised age (so 3 yrs, like 1967, plus 10 months) age and multiple it by the earth's age then what do you get? It depends which winker and wink and which scientist or religious expert you ask about the earth's age, I think If you say 5.5 billion years and a one second wink then you get 45.4655 years, so I should live to 83 (-: (-: (-: But it might depend, if the ink is red then the wink is sometimes longer, eh. Message fte:490 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:34:49 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9507101609.AA16959@rasputin.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: fte:490 Subject: Re: Fear on Due South Pndorra@aol.com wrote: >|> >|>And for those of you still wondering...in a 1990 interview, Sarah stated that >|>her vocal range is 3 and a half octaves (same as Kate Bush). Kevin replied: >Hmmm...well, in my prime (read, when my voice was far less abused) I could make >discernible pitches in 5 octaves, and I know what that sounded like, so >7 octaves, while maybe humanly possible...well, I wouldn't consider it >singing anymore...you couldn't make humanly intelligible noise at the top >of that range. Anyhow, yet another $0.02 from me. :) I still think it is the wiggle in the EQ that matters the most, but probbaly when she said that she had a vocal range of 3.5 octaves she meant, as Kevin said, a linguistically intelligable output, with quality (hitting the notes, and with sufficient volume), and of the range and form picked up by her favourite microphone, whatever that is. So there are other rumblings or squeaks that might mean something too but not in english. Like, an OmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmOmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmO...? . Speaking of digital, the way to get around the fragmentation . and loss of the wiggle content and Om frequency stuff is probably to convolve the samples with an appropriate wavelet function, I bet a compressed cricket chirp might work. (Or a Ricker, Klauder, Berlage, etc wavelet?) That might recover the nice warm sound that lovers of LPs and new mobile . cassettes seem to bask in, like seals on the rock of ages past lunch time bungee (what does that accent mean? reminds me of the nettwerk logo) da vid,eh -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:491 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:22:17 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <3001C755@torctr.mentor.ca> Message-ID: fte:491 Subject: Re:Sushi returns and wants to get married ; ) Sushi wrote, in response to Tracy: >I don't know the legal complications of changing someone's lyrics, never >mind the moral ones, Weird Al' Yankovic seems to do ok, although maybe he clears it with the artists first. But it is high time he moved on to something more mature, like writing or cowriting his own lyrics for a change. >not that I'd ever want to change any of Sarah's. :) Uh oh, I've changed a lot already, I could be in big trouble, maybe I should lay low for a while to avoid her legal troubleshooter. :-) (-: DD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:492 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:39:44 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:492 Subject: one last p.s., moth 5 On the weekend the fifth moth, another like the two big ones only a bit smaller, was in my bathroom. But I didn't touch that one, it just flew out again. There was also another tiny one that might have been a moth but I think was a mite. And in the WISE on SUnday there was another smallish moth in the men's, maybe it was tinkerbell. So that makes seven. Uh oh. Message fte:493 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 15:25:50 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9506130426.AA03300@sun> Message-ID: fte:493 Subject: Re: coffee roomy fo'castle garden stickers Hi Mike; I guess there isn't much it the way of Tyde in Alberta, except for earth tides, but it would be at a different time there than in Vancouver. Actually my spanish is even worse than my french (which is ok if kept slow and simple), it was just a reference to the fact that Spanish Banks West beach is where you can walk nearly to the middle of Vancouver harbour during low tide. I just did that, saw some clams, seagulls, two gorgeous five-tentacled purple starfish, and lots more. And also near where I came out the top of my thorn climb on Sept. 6 (wee hours) 1991 is a plaque dedicated to some Spanish explorer, I think Corte Real but forget, may walk over there after dark (I came along the bottom today). David Message fte:494 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:06:57 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:494 Subject: foggy dew Of the four versions listed at http://pubweb.parc.xerox.com/digitrad/ which one (or another) did she do? I guess I'll have to buy the long black veil album, although I think white lace is nicer in summer. Do stockings count as veils? But I'm leery of snakes! There's lot's of foggy dew and moonshine back Halifax way. (Although much more fog on the Southern Avalon, e.g. St. Mary's Bay.) Also my glasses would get steamed up easily in the shower which would lead to a fall. (And I have my mousse t-shirt on today and will go down [for the count] to grrrls with guitars tonight, maybe.) David D. "dawn is a feeling..." (what was the moody blues 55th recorded song?) "thunderin' Expos, do y' think I'm dd" (finnegan's wake) Message fte:495 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 22:43:27 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950704221421_25401711@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:495 Subject: hi David! Hi Cheryl; Oh, no, I did it again, writing acronym for anagram, and you are the first to point it out, but I won't bother correcting myself on the list. For making anagrams I used several approaches: 1. shuffling the letters in an editor window (I would take the list of letters on a line, then copy it a few times, and then start shuffling). 2. at home, taking scrabble letters out of a bag and shuffling them while listening to good music and being a slob and nibbling on fun things. 3. My friends Marian Rose and Janet Russell used the approach, when caught on the beach without their scrabble letters, of writing the letters on small bits of paper and using those. 4. You could divide the letters into thirds or fourths at random, then take one appealing pile and work with that, and move to the other piles; it will be necessary to shuffle back and forth a bit (like cheating in solitaire) when you get stuck. 5. Or you could divide the letters into consonants and vowels, and either randomly divide and mate those into new piles, or put the easy ones with the hard ones to avoid getting stuck with all the hard letters in one pile. 6. Or you could use a computer program such as those discussed in alt.anagrams, or post your letters there and somebody will take up the challenge either by computer or hand. 7. Or it might work to buy a bottle of red wine and work in a team with some favourite people, moving each other in new directions? Anyway, thanks again for the correction, and I hope things perk up for you soon. Tell me about your weekend if you like and I will soak up all your pain. But for now, here is another big hug for you: banner-12 -dc=c HUG cccc cccc cccc cccc cccccccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccccccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccccccccccc cccc cccc cccc cccccccccccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccc cccccccccccc cccccccccc cccc cccc cccccccccccc cccccccccc So I guess that is a chug, and a dhug is like a thug or something? David D. Message fte:496 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:17:44 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950705222740_108677893@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:496 Subject: Re:hi (again) Hi Cheryl; >Well, I see that you are being creative in your procrastinations and >diversions! Lately, I've been reading a lot. BTW, have you ever read The >Third Ear: On Listening to the World? It's a discussion of the philosophy of >music and life and physics and nirvana and all that stuff. I think you would >enjoy it. I'll get the author's name, etc, if you're interested. It sounds interesting, so I just quickly moused to the ubc library catalogue and it is in the UBC Music Library so maybe I will get it tomorrow if I get in before it closes at 5 p.m. :-) ><< >banner-12 -dc=c HUG >>> > >OK, please decipher the above (or at least give me more clues:) Sorry, it is the Unix command I used to make your cHUG that came right after it. I was being a bit cryptic though. There are a whole bunch of banner programs in a collection on the net, 1--13, but I find that the banner-12 program is most versatile. I wasn't commenting on DC or AC or anything. The - in Unix means what follows is a program option, without it the banner program would have blown up the dc=c as well as the HUG only on separate lines. The d option means doublesize. The c=c option means use the character c, else I think the default is a star (*). >I guess I would briefly describe the weekend as one full of lots of pain and >anger. It's so draining. It leaves me with no energy for creativity or >thesis work. I'm trying not to blame myself though. Breath work helps me get through minor irritations that otherwise could turn into inward-directed anger, but not outward (but maybe crankiness). Never let your breath get too shallow or locked, but keep it deep, and if you get overheated take it out through your breath, put more force into the exhalations, and just will things to get better. (The qi gong book I just browsed said that if you get too cold, put more force into the inhalation.) The other thing that helps is to distract yourself onto some other side project (like a crying child being distracted into a smile by some adult ruse, only you are treating your own inner child, under all those layers). Then after a while you can get back to the other problem and deal with it from a fresh viewpoint. But anyway, that may not help, so here's wishing that time will heal you, and that your pain is soon balanced with MUCH creativity! >Keep me up to date on your thesis. Maybe we can give each other >support/encouragement for finin=shing! I'm about ready to use it for campfire kindling. >Oh, the only Joan Osborn CD that I've heard of is called Relish. It's her >most recent. I don't have it yet, but I'll let you know what I think when I >get it. She'll be on one of the late-night shows next week...I'll post the >date to the list (do you even have a tv?). No. Oh wait, I do own a black and white TV that my brother JameS has in his bedroom in Newfoundland or wait maybe he now has a colour one and mine is collecting dust under my unconnected bunk bed back there, ten metres or so from the babbling brook, across from my 500 book collection pre-1985. I have never had a TV when living alone but always there has been one in the house when I have shared. In my last shared house I was watching way too much TV late at night (before Internet addiction) and hence when I moved out in March91 I didn't get one. For a while I watched occasional shows and videos at neighbours but they moved out and the current lot seem to keep to themselves (or maybe they think that about me too). I sometimes watch stuff in the grad centre pub, and once arranged use of the upstairs big screen TV to show Stan Rogers' biography video. Plus I would rather not get wrapped up in solitary TV watching again since it would lead to more solitude. However, shared watching of _good_ shows is fun, you have someone else to focus on (not necessarily talk except during muted commercials) not just the idiot box. For now, my live music and live people and stereo and books and nature rule over TV. And in my formative years I think we didn't have a TV (my nieces are allowed only certain shows, like S.S., so far, although they seem to like the purple guy too (ick)). David D. Message fte:497 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:32:05 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:497 Subject: doux cider Of course the 12th eve thing depends on when you start counting, there are a lot of eves out there, ones with an (or more?) l in their name could even be elves! Uh oh, I have one l in my name, maybe you need two. But in acoustics, with accent, letters are repeatable, especially for us southerners (St. John's is south of Vancouver and Lakeview is southwest of St. John's, although it isn't the southern shore or the northern shore, just the middle shore, but that can be relative. Plus I guess the 12 could be a missspelling of 1+1=2 which even then is unfinished if you don't have any matches left, just two sticks (one coniferous and one deciduous?) pine sol and maple syrup --- yuck oh maybe that leads to pancakes and hardwood floors. subject? it must be related to the appelle juice so I'm off to do some claps (maybe straight up CC with a twist of lemons and water on the sidhe. David D. "fire on babylon, oh yes a change has come" (near beer are suddenly more attractive than far beer, they must be using special eye drops, as recommended in possession for hypnosis. Lay me down beside you oh as long as it lasts, even if it is the kind that only lasts for a twinkling of an eye. But I only have one rose and I'm not telling where that is! Bye.) [I hope to be _fired_ by the pink slip(s) soon, except for close-up work if she's lucky, and specialized type work (on [her] call). But how close is close-up work? I forget those toothpaste ads.] -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:498 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:45:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:499 Subject: phobias What do you call fear of frying? Desire for fire? (frying pan into the fire, with some blush on the black bottom so if that is inverted it is like green on the white top, right?) What about fear of bussing? I never was a bus-boy, although wait, at Lewis's in the summer of 1981 I waited, bussed, dished, made salads, soup, finished off (never baked) bagels, sandwitches, and did the cash; lounged at the war memorial, picked up sf books at Afterwords, and had a fun summer overall, sexy and seventeen. I wonder when Sarah was first in St. John's? I know I was first in Halifax in the spring of 1980, fairly late spring from the pictures of green grass and citadel/warehouse/clock hill etc, and stayed in a hotel with a hot nightclub in the lobby. But I think I liked tanning on the hill most, reminded me of home. And I bought my first (or maybe 2nd and 3rd after a Heidelberg Telemann recording) two LPs, Beethoven's 7th and Pink Floyd The Wall but these days play the 7th more. I don't have the 3rd yet. Procrastination. Will I go home or downtown? Message fte:499 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:45:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:499 Subject: phobias What do you call fear of frying? Desire for fire? (frying pan into the fire, with some blush on the black bottom so if that is inverted it is like green on the white top, right?) What about fear of bussing? I never was a bus-boy, although wait, at Lewis's in the summer of 1981 I waited, bussed, dished, made salads, soup, finished off (never baked) bagels, sandwitches, and did the cash; lounged at the war memorial, picked up sf books at Afterwords, and had a fun summer overall, sexy and seventeen. I wonder when Sarah was first in St. John's? I know I was first in Halifax in the spring of 1980, fairly late spring from the pictures of green grass and citadel/warehouse/clock hill etc, and stayed in a hotel with a hot nightclub in the lobby. But I think I liked tanning on the hill most, reminded me of home. And I bought my first (or maybe 2nd and 3rd after a Heidelberg Telemann recording) two LPs, Beethoven's 7th and Pink Floyd The Wall but these days play the 7th more. I don't have the 3rd yet. Procrastination. Will I go home or downtown? Message fte:500 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:20:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:500 Subject: whole dawn, hold one, hold all Just a last little tidbit: A while ago I told you all how I fell asleep after the title track of FTE (12th track), so during the silence between, and how I was suddenly woken up by the hidden track of Possession. Well, last night after inverting/ paying back (symbolically) matters, I fell asleep to FS (cd+mm version) and woke up just at the start of the hidden Hold On track. So anyway I think I'm at the cusp, or on the hook of time, or whatever. (Earlier I played Solace on pseudorandom [sony] shuffle play and the last three tracks were Mercy, Into the Fire and Drawn to the Rhythm. Just for fun I let it [on repeat] skip to the next random track, and it was Mercy again, but I shut it off after the first strains, so just after the cusp of the random play repeat, before I went to sleep.) I think with the new green movement that some loggers should taken up renewable resource pruning instead! Happy 12th eve! I'm off to greet the mud pack later. DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:-) Message fte:501 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:22:48 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:501 Subject: silver, eh? are sarah's jeans reversible like the cutoff rugby pant shorts I have on today? (Silver on one side, black on the other.) Is there an Internet Addicts Anonymous yet? Do they have a bakers' dozen step program? (one three) david (-: Message fte:502 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:07:28 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9507142151.AA19331@rasputin.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: fte:502 Subject: Re:Sarah on GMA was great!! Kevin Hawkins said: >Kevin J. Dixon wrote: >|> >|>kev., is it just me or does warm humid air do _wonders_ for the box? > >Well, warm humid air certainly can't hurt the pipes, but man! This heat >certainly offsets it with the physical exertion factor. :) I haven't really >been keeping up on national (or continental I suppose) weather, but here in >good old Illinois temperatures are getting to about 100 - 105 at peak hours. And there can be some strong outflow winds after too much red wine! I have read that if you are too hot, put more effort into the exhalation and less into the inhalation, and if too cold, vice versa. Also today it was hot on the bud stop bench and I found it helped to breath a bit less, not necessarily just shallow sips but maybe a combination of shallow sips and more spaced out deep (no tight belt) breaths. I was in a great mood today despite the early mild hangover but just realized that Sarah must have left town and that thought has got me down. But I hope the tour goes well for her and you lucky people with tickets. elle, swear? David D. Message fte:503 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:12:23 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507170404.AA031123888@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: fte:503 References: <3u3rl7$5jd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Subject: Re:Yet another question about Sarah! ;-) Hi Arnold; you wrote: >A sarah song about relationship rebound -- if you're feeling really bitter >right now, probably _Path of Thorns (terms)_ ... have listened to that song >more than a few times over the past several weeks I have listened to it as well, just today, but I think that Plenty said more to me, up until recently, now maybe Hold On does, and I think I'll hold on. I felt that I was being dumped or jilted by my planetary love (the ecstatic night mystic type of love) but now think it has merely backed off to the level of a distant guiding grandparent or friend, so a longer chain, and that the love will be now spread to many more people if it hasn't been already. So now I think I can say I am no longer bonded to love only this mystic love but am open to new relationships, so the parting/separation was necessary (hold on) in a way. But I am still fairly obsessed with Sarah, and am sort of "saving myself" for her, only when it looks like a truly impossible dream will I give myself to some other strong woman with musical voice and probably some characteristics that remind me of Sarah. > "I knew you wanted to tell me > In you eyes there was something wrong > But if you would turn your face away from me > You cannot tell me you're so strong ... That speaks strongly to me, wheneverI have been near Sarah in real life I have either turned away, or failed to smile, or my voice cracked and sounded harsh, when I could have introduced myself warmly and smiled and then if she obviously wasn't interested (I can sometimes tell from the voice although some people can grow on you so that at first introduction they may seem cold but then after a few hours the voice opens up, or is it the booze that opens me up?) then my obsession would fade although I would still remain a fan (and friend if she liked). > Funny how it seems that all I've tried to do > seemed to make no difference to you." I feel that way sometimes about all the wasted hours I have spent on the computer blasting out ideas and weirdness, when they could have been spent much more fruitfully offline. So in a way that speaks to my relationship/addiction with/to the computer/net. >Or, if you want to cross over a little bit, _I'm So Ordinary_ by Paula Cole >(sarah's opening act this past spring) ... > > "And she is your Holy Mary > And I am so ordinary > > And you can use me if you want to > I know you need me just like an old soft shoe" That speaks to me too, with the Holy Mary being the planet/mystic love and me the old soft shoe, broken in by Mary, ready for true close-up love. >Both songs expressed my state of mind over the past couple of weeks. Ah well, >suppose that's what I get for trying to hold on to a friendship with my ex.It >is a little bit comforting to know that someone else has expressed your >frustration and disappointment for you, eh? Only, how come it seems as though >I have a lot more emotional connection with women, yet am having so much >difficulty trying to relate to them? oh well, enough said. I wouldn't generalize about all women just from experiences with one or a few, it i best to keep optimistic and hold on for that woman who is not looking for the stereotypical male, who does not connect with the sisterhood but remains separate from them, but is looking for a true soul mate and life partner, who she will not hold separate from her friendships with others (including women) but weave into the fabric. Also sometimes the problem is that you try to get too close too quickly, and women may feel that as clinging/dependent behaviour. Take the time to get to know one another properly, explore each stage before going too deep, when the fire of love calls you both together forever. But that can be a problem too in that you may pass up casual relationships forever, waiting for the ideal relationship that may never come, even though one of the casual relationships might turn into something long term. This is part of my problem, fear of opening up, of breaching the shell, for fear that it might sputter and fail and leave me alone and depressed again as in 1986. Still, with this hot summer, some hurricane eyes and bell-like voice will surely blow me away soon. I have to run, am getting starved, but feel free to e-mail me again. David D. Message fte:504 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 21:05:06 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:504 Subject: favourite song, prostitution, etc Regarding the poll, it is impossible to pick a favourite, it would be like picking a favourite sibling or favourite niece (or child for those of you with children) although I guess I can pick a favourite singer now. Today my favourite track was Shelter, like shelter in the arms of a loved one. Tonight I will listen to FS around midnight and pick a favourite track from there. But every track is a favourite, though different, and some are more suited for certain moods, times of the day/night, or whatever. Regarding prostitution, I am not against it as long as it is empowering rather than degrading to the women involved, and they are not forced into it out of sheer desperation, and are not condemned by society for it. However I fail to see why men go to such prostitutes since sex is so much better when you are pleasing the other person, so there is mutual interplay, slow build-up, and lots of mutually pleasurable exploration. Without that connection it is just as well, maybe better, to masturbate, else you risk degrading your true emotosexual response. (But of course masturbation can lead to loss of physical sensitivity which may be desirable for some quickdraw men out there.) Maybe it is a power trip or something, using and being used, for some men, rather than the mutual lighting of fire. Or perhaps Hugh was taking lessons on the side from a doctress of love with the approval of his girlfriend in an effort to learn how to please her better? Or she doesn't believe in long distance phone sex mutual masturbation to keep his productivity from falling off (the use it or lose it school). I everyone on the planet who wanted to had an orgasm at approximately the same time, let's say the centre of the total eclipse window in October, would that do anything? What a circle jerk that would be, hey, a moving experience indeed. But who would get to write the soundtrack? And wait, the local fireworks final is Aug. 9, isn't it, not eclipse time? David D. Message fte:505 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:38:23 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:505 Subject: sex, pretenders, and Mary skipping Hi all; There is a lot more to life and relationships than sex so I think I will refrain from talking about sex on the list so much unless provoked, and will continue to refrain from spewing too many private details out, but lay low and let you all entertain me for a change. Some late night soon though I may try my hand at relevant poetry again to see if I still have the late night touch or need the kick of live music as well. (Lately I haven't signed on after midnight very much at all.) This morning I woke up just after 10 a.m. (say 10:01 or 10:02) with The Pretenders song Don't Get Me Wrong running through my head, which is kind of unusual since it isn't on the two Pretenders albums I have (I checked by playing them) and I haven't heard it in a while, so either my neighbours had it on earlier or a mystic dream muse, either planetary or human or both acting as a team, sent it to me. Also I couldn't remember the lyrics after waking up and for a while thought it went "don't get me down, cause I'm feeling kind of playful... two people meet..." and the good instrumental hook, but "don't get me down" is John Lennon, right? Anyway, what album is Don't Get Me Wrong on? I just pulled over the appended lyrics from a ftp site and wow what a great love song, one that could cancel Plenty out many times over. And it is 469 bytes when gzipped and 911 bytes when uncompressed! It almost inspires me to write some poetry again, but that would take a smile! (or a vocal smile, or _I_ sure smiled this morning and now, so there!) Speaking of vocal smiles, last night just at midnight I went to put FS on to pick a favourite song and it skipped like crazy so I figured my portable CD player had finally died and lingered on in silence for a while (I wanted to hear Elle swear) but really I think all of them are my favourites although Mary may have an edge, maybe I'll do the road trip to Alberta although that is unlikely. This morning after I played The Pretenders and Learning to Crawl I put freshly charged batteries in the player (the adaptor is still dead) and tried a different CD. It worked, so I tried FS again and it worked a bit better, got through Elsewhere, then I skipped Plenty and then it started skipping on Mary badly even when I tilted it up in the diamond position (flat always skips, on its side works better, the slanted precarious diamond usually works but not this time). So I quickly removed the hot CD, it didn't look too dirty but I put it under cold water and rubbed it clean. Then for good measure (probably not necessary) I stuck it in the freezer for a minute while I got dressed and then rescued it, wiped off the fog and stuck it in before more fog could form, and it played fine, even sounding a little crisper (but more digital) than usual. Other than that my life is kind of dull which suits me fine (the old "may you live in interesting times"). But tonight I will swing by to catch The Wyrd Sisters at The Railway Club and report back briefly tomorrow if inspired. David D. --------- Don't Get Me Wrong - The Pretenders Don't get me wrong If I'm looking kind of dazzled I see neon lights Whenever you walk by Don't get me wrong If you say hello and I take a ride Upon a sea where the mystic moon Is playing havoc with the tide Don't get me wrong Don't get me wrong If I'm acting so distracted I'm thinking about the fireworks That go off when you smile Don't get me wrong If I split like light refracted I'm only off to wander Across a moonlit mile Once in a while Two people meet Seemingly for no reason They just pass on the street Suddenly thunder showers everywhere Who can explain the thunder and rain But there's something in the air Don't get me wrong If I come and go like fashion I might be great tomorrow But hopeless yesterday Don't get me wrong If I fall in the mode of passion It might be unbelievable But let's not say so long It might just be fantastic Don't get me wrong -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:506 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 21:11:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HT0W7PTN5E003ZIT@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:506 Subject: Re:Some BST, other stuff, maybe even something on topic! John Shepard streamed a river from which I quote the following sips: >But how will anyone know to remove me from their killfiles if >they never see anything I post? :-) They see you quoted in other people's replies, unless they have the heavy duty killfile version that trashes posts that even contain your name. >Or take the *long* trip home? Be getting to the northern edge of >Seymour, just in time for the acoustic version of "Drawn to the >Rhythm"... what say we... oops! missed my turnoff! Looks like I' >ll have to go the extra four miles to the next one and >backtrack. :-) Come now, that isn't very environmentally friendly, it is better to go home and take the CD in and finish it off to a workout if you like that moving sensation (preferably with a friend). >Dekan, wasn't it? I dunno. We've also had several Davids, There seem to be more Davids on the newsgroup though, so far, although I bet there are lurkers out there! >From: dalton@geop.ubc.ca >>and let you all entertain me for a change. Some late > >Like the Emperor being entertained by the court? Or the brewer who has added some yeast to the pot watching to see what develops? My main objective in the beginning was to liven up the list a bit but I got a bit out of hand at times (not lately, though). >Of course sex and relationships are not linked like four-bonded >carbon; the two are not the same, but one (or lack of) can >effect the other. Did you mean the first "e" in effect? How can lack of relationships bring about sex? >And besides, if anyone's going to talk about >sex, better it be the folks here on FTE, who are at least >somewhat mature (Squid excepted), than hanging out on alt.sex >watching big "Me too!" cascades roll by... You don't have to read everything on those groups, and alt.sexc.wizards is a touch better. I occasionally (maybe once every week or so) glance in there, scan the subject titles, and may pick 1/100 to read. There are some good tips occasionally although I haven't had anyopportunity to test them out in a long time. >Dalton, you can't possibly have a favorite song by anyone. As >much depth as you read into everything, That comes in spurts and much of the novelty has worn off by now so that I can choose to read into something (like license plate numbers today for one minute) or not, or if it stares me in the face I may laugh and not get too worked up about it anymore. >I would think even the >worst song on the planet must have great significance for you. Oh no, it would surely send me running out the door or into the back bar or whatever. Out-of-tune instruments, bad singers, and incipid lyrics do nothing to help my mood. But with good singers/musicians everything just flows and the brain is free to wander with neat speculations, or sing along with the old internal voice. If I am in a bad mood a bad band will worsen it, a medium range one will not help any, and someone like Sarah will force me to wake up and smell the roses or something. >>works but not this time). So I quickly removed the hot >>CD, it didn't look too dirty but I put it under cold water >>and rubbed it clean. Then for good measure (probably not > >But in a straight line out from the center? Oh, nearly straight, like most straight lines. >>necessary) I stuck it in the freezer for a minute while >>I got dressed and then rescued it, wiped off the fog and stuck >>it in before more fog could form, and it played fine, even >>sounding a little crisper (but more digital) than usual. > >Like keeping your briefs in the crisper? Briefs? What briefs? It's too hot for briefs, even up here, and I sure pity all the people down south on tour and will do a cool weather invocation tonight for you, cool fire from the icecream cap of the north. But the heat is not affecting me nearly as much as last year in terms of mood, I must have gotten my old resistance back. David D. (hu'gry) Message fte:507 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 21:36:33 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507190211.WAA09688@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Message-ID: fte:507 Subject: Re:Love songs (BST) Sarah Andrews wrote: S> Did you ever notice how depressing love songs can be if you're not in love, S> or not even in like, or infatution, or lust? I first started thinking about S> this with "Ice Cream," and how it currently has no relevance to my life. I S> guess I'd be at the "place where we started from," except that I'm nowhere S> near starting anything. Maybe it would help for you to start a local chapter of the SarahM fan club, so those people in your area who like SarahM, maybe starting with any on FTE and a.m.s-m. Then you would be a sort of support group and you might find a lover who could put up with repeated play of SarahM discs. Or at a concert bring along a hackysack or something that requires multiple person involvement and cruise the crowd (if outdoors). Eye contact may help. I tend to let love songs slide by be when I'm not in love, or defer the love song energy towards future love, or assign it to the mystic night/dream/imaginary love, which I won't forget too quickly. S> Anyway, It's like when I hear a love song it's like, "Yeah, yeah, I S> remember that, I've felt that way, but no, I can't say I can really relate S> to it right now. Uh-uh. I'd like to though." I guess that's the problem. S> For a while I was happy just being on my own and everything just sort of S> slid off of me, and now it's this sudden voice from above saying, "You are S> alone but you want a renewable source of hugs and you want it NOW!" Yeah, I relate to that, especially in the summer, but trust me, it fades after a few years. (Just kidding, it doesn't really.) But moping and turning the depression inwards is no way to turn it around, try taking some inspiration from the great songs of SarahM. First you have to overcome your depression, make sure life is heaven for you, and you are on a sound and confident footing, then men will be more attracted to you (single people may attract no action for ages and then once in a relationship suddenly get all kinds of unwanted attention just because their confidence is up). S> And now I'm realizing that I got my hair cut very short when I was in that S> "roll with it" stage, and now I'm realizing that most men DON'T LIKE WOMEN S> WITH SHORT HAIR! I mean, the kind of man I'd like to date would obviously S> be the type not to care what length a woman's hair is, but I despair of S> finding one here in rural central Pennsylvania. AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! With the heat down there, cutting your hair sounds like a wise move, and some men like ears and necks and women that are comfortable and in good spirits. So think of your neck as like that of a swan, ears like a pixie, aerodynamics of a fast race car, hold your head high, and male Sarah fans will come running. Or move to Vancouver, where there are lots of women with short hair, then, although you would hear SarahM more often by staying there. :-( S> Actually I'm in a much better mood than I have been for the last several S> days. I think it was the hike. Now some work has to get done by me. Thanks S> for listening to the rant. You're welcome, and good luck with your relationship problems, and we are a renewable source of e-shoulders and e-hugs, at least! Plus with a first name like yours you can't go wrong. David D. Message fte:508 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:07:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507190416.AA153437361@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: fte:508 Subject: Re:sex, pretenders, and Mary skipping Hi Arnold; you wrote: >So you own a Sony as well? I've heard a theory about Sony electronics -- it has held >true for my family so far -- Sony products are designed to fail as soon as the warranty >runs out. That seems to be true for some of my stuff, an old walkman died in the year after the warranty ran out. But the current discman was purchased on a stupid impulse from a grey market store in San Francisco almost five years ago, and has lasted me well past the warranty, although until my home (Hitachi, 6.5 years old) player died it didn't get much use except between sets at the gigs I was doing sound at. It had some problems from early on (glitchy adaptor, possibly slightly louder in one channel) and then the tilt thing, I think due to a missing screw. But overall I have heard good things about Sony products until recently; my brother in law worked for a university extension department that swore by their video and audio gear years ago. Recently though they have watered down the quality on the lowered priced items at least. >In any case ... blah blah blah ... not much to write about ... sniffed <1 micron ZnO >powder and 12M HCl fumes for a day and a half before finding out ZnO dissolved in acid So you're in chemistry? I did that for two years before switching to earth sciences. Or are you doing some kind of etching? >Haven't decided if I liked it better than struggling to create a 3D drawing in >AutoCAD LT -- a 2D program if there ever was one. ah well, the fun of a full time >position. But once you do it once, next time should be easier. >Still looking for the right woman, but either I haven't found her yet or she >doesn't know it yet. Sometimes acting desperate and looking doesn't work, and it helps to just live, act relaxed, confident and happy, and keep your ears and eyes open for likely prospects, but don't push things too quickly or they get scared off, unless she is on fire right away as much as you. Still, you may have to do some hanging out in dance or live music bars or do some volunteering and other stuff to meet the woman of your dreams. Good luck and remember that eye contact is important, not desperate but soft. David D. Message fte:509 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:41:33 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:509 Subject: The Wyrd report Yesterday I said I would report back on Manitoba (woMynitoba) act The Wyrd Sisters if inspired. Anyway, I caught their second set last night at The Railway. At first I thought the stage was a bit cluttered, with too many instruments (drums, two basses, a-guitar, keyboard, mandolin, three voices) but that was more my problem --- it takes me a little while to get a grasp on everybody in the band. Indeed whenever I have done sound for a singer/songwriter or folk rock band I prefer to first do sound for the solo artist (or stripped down version of the folk rock band) and then work up to the full version after I have a solid grasp on the core sound. After a song or two I was mostly won over, they demonstrated strong, passionate, personal lyrics, exemplary musicianship, powerful vocals at times featuring three part harmonies with three women whose voices had different but complementary ranges and timbres (one slightly deeper, one mid range but capable of hitting some highs, and one with a slightly higher range, who hit a really funny long high note during "The Faucet Song"). They all have good audience communication skills, plenty of interaction and tuning jokes. So anayway I recommend them, they are worthy of opening for Sarah, and I will put them on my long list of CDs to buy when I get around to it. Today I suffered from a second-hand smoke (and I guess 5 beer and some dehydration didn't help) hangover, but that was mostly from the WISE Club lounge, my softball team should be sponsored by a tobacco company! (Also I bet some people are indeed breathing in sips more in the hot weather so they spew out all the smoke at us innocent bystanders, plus the air quality has dropped in terms of ionic content so that the smoke gets attracted to us more readily. I think on refelection that deep breaths spaced out are better than shallow sips for improving life expectancy.) The Railway was filled with unusually healthy cleancut types for a change, I was going to ask them for barber recommendations since my hair is longer now than it has been since 1985, maybe the longest it's ever been in weather this hot. But maybe I'll let it go until D-moon again? What's the fashion these days anyway? I wonder what kind of haircut SarahM likes on her fans? If all us fans blow at the crack of dawn will that result in global cooling? Excuse the frivolity, I haven't eaten since my empty-fridge inspired double serving of oatmeal for breakfast 2:30 p.m. (8 hours ago), but have vowed to mend my ways and get in shape sleep/diet/physique-wise starting tonight oops I guess tomorrow and also cut out alcohol for a while anyway. So anyway, I'm off to cruise the aisles, what flavour should I pick up if you are dropping by? David D. Message fte:510 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:34:50 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Jul 20 01:22:22 1995" Send-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 4:26:08 UTC From: To: Message-ID: fte:510 Subject: Re: Sarah vs. Tori [] Battle of the Titans[] David.......Poser....extrordinaire....I was going to flame ya proper....on BBS Sarah ......The thought police pulled the original knot the formed the thread...How provincial........Re "get out of the fifties" misfire ....I,m a bridge child (35) to young to be a race rioting revolution throwing raping robbing homiciding fascist hippie[] :-) [] and to worldly to debonaire to err uhm mature to still be raging and raving,love a good flame though your commentary inspired the Sarah vs. Tori [] Battle of the Titans [] thread.....................Art......(The Lost Chord) Macey......later Message fte:511 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:21:47 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:511 Subject: Re: SaraFont Kerry Larson wrote: >A little back someone mentioned a SaraFont..if there is one Id >like the ftp site. :) I don't think there is one, unless someone has illegally made one from her handwriting, or she has put a picture of the tub in her new house up for ftp, which I doubt. But she is artistically talented enough to design a funky new font, although we would all prefer she write new songs in the same old handwriting instead. David D. p.s. who did "hot time, summer in the city, back of my getting burned and pretty" (I hope the cool wish works) Message fte:512 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:36:14 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:512 Subject: Re: Columbia concert Heather B. wrote: >She played one song that she said was a new one. Are >there any plans for her to go back into the studio after the tour wraps >up. An Australian tour is planned in the fall, I think, so I bet she would relax and/or write a bit, then head off to charge up the oppposite side of the globe a bit and come back renewed and record a CD that will sweep the world! But only her hairdresser knows. >Also, does anyone know anything about any new songs that might be out >there, like the one she performed (I don't know the name)? Thanks! The one she performed (which I don't think has been recorded yet except by bootleggers, although someone else just said on here that it has) was probably Fall From Grace or Full of Grace (which for tour cuisine could be Full of Grease or I wouldn't mind it being Fool on Grass, of the live rug variety) which caused a kerfuffle a while back when someone posted the lyrics from a bootleg recording and got them wrong to boot. I have heard that she has recorded a new one called "I will remember you" for a "The Brothers McMullen" movie soundtrack but that sounds fishy to me. Maybe in jamming with The Chieftains her brain will bounce into a new song or three and late in the tour they will pop out for all to hear? Are The Chieftains and the Nettwerk party travelling in the same bus and staying in the same dives? Also I didn't think the Chieftains were playing High River since they are non-Canadian but the Chieftains web site at http://www.escape.ca/~skinner/chieftains/ says they are. Has anybody liked the Chieftains too? There hasn't been much on rec.music.celtic about the concerts so far. David D. Message fte:513 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:49:22 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: fte:510 Message-ID: fte:513 Subject: Re:Sarah vs. Tori [] Battle of the Titans[] Hi Art; Wow that would make a good poem if you formatted it like one and juggled it a bit more! you wrote: > David.......Poser....extrordinaire.... As we all are, on many levels. >I was going to flame ya proper....on >BBS Sarah ...... But I don't access the Nettwerk BBS! Oh, you mean the FTE list? Sure, a good short message weird flame war would be welcome there, with occasional on-topic snippets; it is the long megabyte ones that raise ire. The Tori vs Sarah thread hasn't really penetrated the list yet. If you aren't on the list, join by e-mailing listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au with body SUB fumbling-towards-ecstasy Art Macey >The thought police pulled the original knot the formed the >thread...How provincial........ Yeah, I forget the original post but thought my followup was mostly supportive to both artists. I guess in doing a thread-originating post you have to be careful with the subject line since often the thread diverges and all people have to guide them is the subject line, or not. >Re "get out of the fifties" misfire >....I,m a bridge child (35) to young to be a race rioting revolution >throwing raping robbing homiciding fascist hippie[] :-) [] and to worldly >to debonaire to err uhm mature to still be raging and raving,love a good flame >though your commentary inspired the Sarah vs. Tori [] Battle of the Titans [] > thread.....................Art......(The Lost Chord) Macey......later Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Did you originate that thread? About time, Sarah has gotten lots of free press over on Tori's group. But to see some real action try crossposting it to both groups (alt.music.s-mclachlan,rec.music.tori-amos). It's too early for me to play with your words much but maybe later I will give it a go (but haven't signed on after sunset let alone after midnight much lately). David Message fte:514 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 15:40:57 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Jul 20 15:13:54 1995" Send-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:36:14 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:514 Subject: Re: Columbia concert >X400-Received: by /PRMD=ca/ADMD=/C=/; Relayed; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:36:17 UTC-0700 >X400-Received: by /PRMD=ca/ADMD=/C=/; Relayed; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:36:14 UTC-0700 >X400-Originator: dalton@geop.ubc.ca >X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; >X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) >X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=ca/ADMD=/C=/;950720143614] >Content-Identifier: 5666 >Conversion: Prohibited >Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Ean X.400 to MIME gateway) >Errors-To: fte-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >X-Sequence: 7169 Heather B. wrote: >She played one song that she said was a new one. Are >there any plans for her to go back into the studio after the tour wraps >up. An Australian tour is planned in the fall, I think, so I bet she would relax and/or write a bit, then head off to charge up the oppposite side of the globe a bit and come back renewed and record a CD that will sweep the world! But only her hairdresser knows. >Also, does anyone know anything about any new songs that might be out >there, like the one she performed (I don't know the name)? Thanks! The one she performed (which I don't think has been recorded yet except by bootleggers, although someone else just said on here that it has) was probably Fall From Grace or Full of Grace (which for tour cuisine could be Full of Grease or I wouldn't mind it being Fool on Grass, of the live rug variety) which caused a kerfuffle a while back when someone posted the lyrics from a bootleg recording and got them wrong to boot. I have heard that she has recorded a new one called "I will remember you" for a "The Brothers McMullen" movie soundtrack but that sounds fishy to me. Maybe in jamming with The Chieftains her brain will bounce into a new song or three and late in the tour they will pop out for all to hear? Are The Chieftains and the Nettwerk party travelling in the same bus and staying in the same dives? Also I didn't think the Chieftains were playing High River since they are non-Canadian but the Chieftains web site at http://www.escape.ca/~skinner/chieftains/ says they are. Has anybody liked the Chieftains too? There hasn't been much on rec.music.celtic about the concerts so far. David D. Message fte:515 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 16:09:45 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Jul 20 15:43:01 1995" Send-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 15:49:03 UTC-0700 From: To: Cc: David Dalton Message-ID: fte:515 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >p.s. who did "hot time, summer in the city, back of my > getting burned and pretty" (I hope the cool wish works) It was Lovin' Spoonful, if my memory serves... Jason Kurylo Head Poser F MagZine (604) 520-1795 jkurylo@direct.ca "it's pretty cruel when the last 45 seconds of your life turn into a Lucy skit." -- Dennis Miller Message fte:516 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:51:09 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950720175508_37126725@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:516 Subject: Out of lurkdom & into Great Woods, I'm back Hi Lucy; Congratulations on your pregnancy and I hope all goes well! The group misc.kids.pregnancy has some good tips, I glanced in there once for future reference. When I get home I'll try to think of some good relaxing or energy building delivery songs, but I bet if you asked on misc.kids.pregnancy they would have some suggestions as well. Also, for the energy building tough work type music, there are oodles and oodles of old working songs and sea shanties and the like, but they would have to be in time with your breathing or contractions/pushing. Good luck; David Message fte:517 - Read Delivery-date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 18:12:53 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Fri Jul 21 10:35:17 1995" Send-date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 1:24:54 UTC-0700 From: Authorizing-Users: To: Multiple recipients of list sarah-tour - From Message-ID: fte:517 Subject: 4.01 the tourrrrr >Errors-To: listmom@www.set.gov.bc.ca >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-Listserver: Macjordomo - A Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes >Precedence: Bulk 7/15/95 11.30pm in the cold dark bus at jones beach, long island. yikes! a day without a phone connection. like i said, you'll be getting these messages in spurts, whenever we have time and the facilities to connect. we were running around the venue today, and didn't get a chance to connect to get some mail. sorry about that. We all got a chance today to impress the local guy from Jones beach as we stuffed 4,000 of the CD ROM pamphlets into the local flyers in one hour. needless to say today was hectic. the day started off hot. not a good sign. it got hotter. after much discussion, we ended up putting all ten computers in a concession booth. they fit perfectly, and looked very impressive. wow. we had some difficulties with the power, and couldn't get four of the computers running in time when the gates opened. BUT! happy news- the good power guy from the venue came around and fixed the outlet, so everything worked fine. we like the power guy. The venue was beautiful, right next to the beach. It was a gorgeous night out! The band sounded great...again. and the version of mary they put together sounds so good! Everything went well--everything except they had shut us all down early due to a lightning storm. lightning storms are bad bad bad. no one wanted to fry sarah and the chieftains, so they had to cut the show short. also, we were really worried about a flash rainstorm. we packed up in lightning (pardon the bad pun) time. by the way, we hear van halen is playing tomorrow- some of us just might end up going... more tomorrow. -- Jurgen, Cathy and Angela (with Cassiel the PowerBook) On the road with Sarah McLachlan & friends! cassiel@www.set.gov.bc.ca Message fte:518 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:42:40 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507210201.WAA12504@io.org> Message-ID: fte:518 Subject: honesty vs entertainment (was Re:Some BST) Kevin Bellysbud wrote: > Now, imagine Sarah as an airbrushed Playboy centrefold (evil >:) ) Don't be silly, I think her birth mark (or beauty spot?) is sexy! And my idea of airbrushing is to run in the wind after a dip, in the shallow end as Edie Brickell says, 'cause I can't swim yet. >This was the first time I'd seen Sarah in concert and it= > was great as such, but there seemed to be a sense of false sincerity. If I= > didn't know about the other concerts I wouldn't feel this way (damn you= > mailing list! :)) but the look of affected surprise after the second= > encore, with all us clapping and stomping patiently, or even the story= > about "Plenty" which seemed exactly the same as at all the other concerts= > even though she makes it sound as though it is just for us. Would you rather she make up new stories, rather than being honest and telling the naked truth? Would you rather she be a shy performer saying next to nothing like in the Touch days? Or an old grump like me (actually I have resolved to smile more). And bear in mind that most of the people at the concert had not heard her do the same patter before, or gotten descriptions from the net. And whenever I have heard her any patter is not the focus, just a bonus, the music is the focus, the river of sound pouring through my soul like hot water through a teabag of many cups. (Ha, that's bad I know. In a bit I might do a parody of Foggy Dew to see if I still have it, lately my mind has been distracted.) >I guess it is= > just that if you are to have a concert with an emphasis on making it= > personal to the audience (one of those features that Sarah is so great at)= > I would be much happier if she showed some real spontaneity in the concert= > (like changing the setlist or some of the intros she uses for her songs). = > Of course, it wasn't totally off a script: she saw the lightning crashing= > around the Amphitheatre and remarked on that... that was pretty neat. I wonder did anybody go high after the lightning crashes like I sometimes do (although more often when the solar cycle is stronger, which won't be for a few more years, so I think I can safely reduce my lithium if I abstain from alcohol, reduce salt slightly, and keep my sleep regular). But maybe people born at the peak of the solar cycle will go high in the lows. Who knows. >Only..uh..2 or 3 more days before the Hip come to town!!!! Any Hip fans out= > in Sarahland? With a swing of her hips, she started to trip, to (how does that go) David D. Message fte:519 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:54:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950721012836_37445561@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:519 Subject: fall from grace, summer in city (was Re:SaraFont) Wonka wrote: >Um, I think the GUESS WHO did SUMMER IN THE CITY. Or was it the LOVIN >SPOONFUL? It could have been the GRASS ROOTS. I will double check tomorrow. It was The Lovin' Spoonful, as a couple of other people have pointed out to me by direct e-mail, and I got the lyrics wrong as usually, besides the typo of leaving out the neck. I pulled the lyrics over from uwp and they are 795 bytes long, which is the month. It was another one of those songs (just a snippet this time) running through my head, not as I got up but a little while after. And I posted the request ps Thursday afternoon, so I was surprised six hours later to see that the song was referenced in this week's Georgia Straight Straight Picks (not always straight) column. In the same Georgia Straight there is an ad for Barney Bentall's newly released CD, and on it is a track entitled Fall From Grace. Now that doesn't prevent Sarah using the same title, there are lots of songs out there with the same title, even The Foggy Dew. Plus this afternoon on CBC I heard a song called _She Said_ by The Diviners (not bad, maybe I should have checked them out live on Wed), and my friends The PaperBoys have a song (probably single) with the same title. Still, with fall approaching, maybe Fall, From Grace is more appropriate, or the Full of Grace. Sarah only knows. I meant to say some other things but forgot, but I saved a couple of other messages to possibly reply to, so maybe they will pop out then. DaveD Message fte:520 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:22:50 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507211326.IAA16440@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu> Message-ID: fte:520 Subject: Re: unhappy discovery Jennifer wrote: J> Whenever I used to listen to music, I never sang along. Not even in the J> shower or the car or anywhere else I was by myself. Consequently, (or J> maybe this was the reason I didn't sing) I have no singing voice. But J> I started listening to Sarah about 7 months ago, and I've been warbling J> ever since, gradually building my voice and my confidence in it. Great! Now do you sing in the shower? When I was in elementary school I used to sing a bit but in high school I went for a voice test and I think I deliberately flubbed it, but it isn't very good anyway. But I was a happier sort in elementary school, from pictures. J> So yesterday I decided I wanted to hear what my voice actually sounds J> like to the rest of the world. I found a *very* old tape recorder (the J> only one I could find with an external microphone) and sang Possession J> and Into the Fire as I listened on headphones to the real versions. That's not the way to go, such equipment (and answering machines) can make the best of us sound terrible. You would be amazed what a good sound board with attached technician can do; with some EQ adjustments to round out the voice or accentuate certain features, plus some effects to help people with shaky voices, you can do wonders. Or you could try a karaoke bar and get your friends to judge. J> Jennifer's unhappy now. Jennifer sounds like someone with no concept of J> steadiness, air control, and English phonemes (the sounds of English). J> This is most upsetting as Jennifer played piano, flute, and various other J> things from age 5 all the way through high school and she *was* under the J> impression that she had quite a good ear. It might help to get some vocal lessons from a real singer, most struggling singers give lessons on the side, so ask one whose style you like if she gives lessons or who her teacher is/was. Or join a choir or other vocal group, but that demands dedication. Or drop by a folk song circle or folk night or open mic or jam at a local dive and at first sing along and eventually get the house band to back you in some acoustic karaoke. With you various instrumental skills you would be a welcome asset to any jam, and could work through backing/harmony vocals to lead. J> It's strange because I guess the music in the songs, besides Sarah's J> voice, is also complete and perfect that it can make anyone sound pretty J> decent if they're not tone deaf. No, a bad band or singer can butcher any song, just look at the recordings of Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock (cops backwards) for an example. J> Guess what all this means is that I now truly understand what a gift J> Sarah has. She really makes it seem effortless. And that's the beauty, J> I think. Almost as if her body is just being used as a channel for this J> sweet perfection to soar through and out into the air. _She_ is using her body as the channel to convert her inner voice into the outer voice, and she does it better than anyone I know. Also her inner voice is, as all ours are, part of a connected whole, and I think she is closer to being in tune with that whole than anyone I know. And when you are in tune, in resonance, things just flow, you don't have to strain as much (although part of the strain is hidden, in the climb to the tuned state). But really, like high class gymnasts/trapeze artists, she must have tremendous drive, and have endured lots of hidden effort, and have powers of concentration to surpass most. Hmmm, getting late, so maybe no Foggy Dew parody tonight although perhaps I'll take the lyrics home and work on them with appropriate music on the stereo (I don't have The Long Black Veil yet though). DavidD Message fte:521 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:44:30 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:521 Subject: foggy dew Which version below, from the digital tradition web page at http://pubweb.parc.xerox.com/digitrad/ , is she singing? I think the fourth, in which case I probably won't make fun of it for fear of retribution from my local guinness drinking friends, but parallel it. But I like some of the love versions better than the revolutionary version anyway, maybe I'll convert the revolutionary one back to a funny love song. David D. ================== 1. THE FOGGY DEW Oh, a wan cloud was drawn o'er the dim weeping dawn As to Shannon's side I return'd at last, And the heart in my breast for the girl I lov'd best Was beating, ah, beating, how loud end fast! While the doubts end the fears of the long aching years Seem'd mingling their voices with the moaning flood: Till full in my path, like a wild water wraith, My true love's shadow lamenting stood. But the sudden sun kiss'd the cold, cruel mist Into dancing show'rs of diamond dew, And the dark flowing stream laugh'd back to his beam, And the lark soared aloft in the blue; While no phantom of night but a form of delight Ran with arms outspread to her darling boy, And the girl I love best on my wild throbbing breast Hid her thousand treasures with cry of joy. @Irish @love filename[ FOGGDEW ARB (DT of April 1995) 2. THE FOGGY DEW Over the hills I went one day, a lovely maid I spied With her coal black hair and her mantle so green. An image to perceive. Says I, "Dear girl, will you be my bride And she lifted her eyes of blue She smiled and said, "Young man I'm to wed I'm to meet in the foggy dew." Over the hills I went one morn, a-singing I did go. Met this lovely maid with her coal-black hair, And she answered soft and low: Said she, "Young man, I'll be your bride, If I know that you'll be true." Oh, in my arms, all of her charms Were casted in the foggy dew. Note: Still yet another completely different Foggy Dew. This was the basis for the Irish revolutionary version. Great tune. RG @courting @love @Irish filename[ FOGGDEW3 play.exe FOGGDEW3 RG (DT of April 1995) 3. THE FOGGY DEW When I was a bachelor, I lived all alone I followed the roving trade And the only thing that I ever did wrong Was I courted a fair young maid. I courted her for a summer season And part of the winter too And many's the night she rolled in my arms All over the foggy dew One night as I lay on my bed As I lay fast asleep She came to me at my bedside And bitterly she did weep She wept, she moaned, she tore her hair She cried what shall I do For tonight I'm determined to sleep with you For fear of the foggy dew All through the first part of that night How we did sport and play And through the second part of that night She in my arms did lay And when the daylight did appear She cried I am undone Oh hold your tongue you silly young thing For the foggy dew is gone Supposing you should have a child Would make you laugh and smile And supposing you should have another Would make you think a while And supposing you should have another And another one or two T'would make you leave off those foolish young tricks That you played in the foggy dew I loved that girl with all my heart I loved her like my life But in the second part of that year She became another man's wife I never told him of her faults And I never intend to do Nor of the times she rolled in my arms All over the foggy dew recorded by John and Tony on Dark Ships and Sandy and Caroline Paton @love @courting filename[ FOGGYDEW play.exe FOGGYDEW DC (DT of April 1995) 4. THE FOGGY DEW (revolutionary) 'Twas down the glen one Easter morn To a city fair rode I. When Ireland's line of marching men In squadrons passed me by. No pipe did hum, no battle drum Did sound its dread tattoo But the Angelus bell o'er the Liffey's swell Rang out in the foggy dew. Right proudly high over Dublin town They hung out a flag of war. 'Twas better to die 'neath an Irish sky Than at Suvla or Sud el Bar. And from the plains of Royal Meath Strong men came hurrying through; While Brittania's sons with their long-range guns Sailed in from the foggy dew. 'Twas England bade our wild geese go That small nations might be free. Their lonely graves are by Suvla's waves On the fringe of the grey North Sea. But had they died by Pearse's side Or fought with Valera true, Their graves we'd keep where the Fenians sleep 'Neath the hills of the foggy dew. The bravest fell, and the solemn bell Rang mournfully and clear For those who died that Eastertide In the springing of the year. And the world did gaze in deep amaze At those fearless men and true Who bore the fight that freedom's light Might shine through the foggy dew. Note: from the Easter Uprising of 1916 @Irish @rebel @battle filename[ FOGGDEW4 play.exe FOGGDEW3 RG (DT of April 1995) ================== Message fte:522 - Read Delivery-date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 17:57:57 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Sun Jul 23 17:37:29 1995" Send-date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 6:24:41 UTC-0700 From: Authorizing-Users: To: Multiple recipients of list sarah-tour - From Message-ID: fte:522 Subject: 8th day: Pittsburgh >Errors-To: listmom@www.set.gov.bc.ca >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-Listserver: Macjordomo - A Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes >Precedence: Bulk Thursday, July 20th, 1995. Starlake (Pittsburgh) okay, so now we're down to one message per day, just because the mental gymnastics involved in getting more than one out was a bit of a drag. so, one message per day, and it will be added to when we have time. the cool numbering scheme goes out the window too. anyway, today was wonderful. starlake is an excellent venue with very helpful staff. we had all ten computers set up under one of their big white tents, and had a pretty good turnout of people to come take a look at the cd. earlier in the day, both cathy and jurgen got to ride around the venue in very fast golf carts that bumped over just about anything (picture a miniature land rover without the cost). we had lots of fun. the only drawback were the bees. there were lots. but, that being said, "chewy", one of the sound guys, found the most amazing moth, stuck to the roof of the food tent. its wingspan was enormous. brian the "bassssissst" was there and did a respectible impression of hannibal lecter, the psycho killer in "silence of the lambs", a movie sarah stole from the crew bus last night. hannibal minato? we think so. -- Jurgen, Cathy and Angela (with Cassiel the PowerBook) On the road with Sarah McLachlan & friends! cassiel@www.set.gov.bc.ca Message fte:523 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 19:30:07 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:523 Subject: BST: morning song quiz, D-ramble, Tara, S-mug Hi all, glad to see that we are now on majordomo, things should be glitch free, and with a real digest, now, and I hope no more chopped off posts (although those were sometimes welcome when I got a little outside good enough taste and the listserv censored it for me!) This morning (Sunday) I woke around 9:30 a.m., later than expected, again with a tiny fragment of a song, not one that I would expect, running through my head. I immediately forgot the other little bit I had, all I remember is that it is a 60s type (doo wop, not rockabilly) male voice hit single that has the catchy refrain "So in love with you" Anyway the So is slightly drawn out, a long O. :-) And I am pretty sure it is "SOoo in love with you". Anyone have any idea what song it is? I bet there are lots. And maybe I dream in audio but not in visual. Maybe it is a subtle hint to get Peter Gabriel's "So". I pulled out of a four day low energy period Saturday morning after an early night and solid night's sleep, plus the self-lowering of my lithium finally seems to have worked. Saturday and Sunday I actually went for a run to the bridge and back, regular running for the first time since the spring of 1987 if I keep it up, and feel great! Also I have lowered my lithium from the six that my doctor thinks I am on to three a day (lowest since Sept91, and wow does it feel better), but will have to avoid alcohol, lower salt, and watch my breathing and sleep hours to compensate. But I think the lower lithium level will help my creativity, so watch for some sane but good posts, at the first sign of slipping I will have to boost the lithium (since it takes a few days for the boost to affect the blood level). If I do well on three or occasionally four a day for the next month then at my next appointment I will discuss the lowering with my doctor, and maybe even drop to two/three in October if there are no problems by then. [A former neighbour of mine was also bipolar but managed to avoid problems by minimizing acohol and drug consumption and sticking to a vegan diet (which I'm not quite to yet). But he remains eccentric in some ways, like most musicians.] Lately there have been few solar and/or weather induced energy highs, but I find that people and music can affect me to a great extent. Yesterday (Sat) evening just before sunset I found that I can pump myself up with music, even if it is not live (I through on some celtic favourites and wished that the musical fire reach through the earth and help energize Sarah and The Chieftains for the rest of the tour). It led to cold fire in the hands and cold hands for a while (they warm up quickly with breathing techniques, like melting ice cream, plus I seem to have times in the day when my hands are like ice cream but then a few hours later they warm up quite nicely) and also the longer sleep after than expected. So maybe from now on I will pump myself up with music to get into creative mode, until the sun comes around again in a few years. But I won't try the Foggy Dew rewrite until I hear it a time or three, I'll have to borrow or buy The Long Black Veil I guess. But for now I will continue to lay a bit low, won't make fun of Sarah too much since there is always the chance she will catch up to me in a dark alley, especially the speed I've been running (or I could bump into her in a dive and after all the unexcellent stuff I've written might be ashamed to look her in the eye with a straight face). So any on-topic stuff will be straight and serious until she writes some new stuff anyway, but watch for an occasional short and sweet off-topic snippet as usual; this doesn't count. Oh, and I _will_ go catch Tara McLean's show Tuesday and let you all know what she is like. (I was going to go two weeks ago but chickened out, or maybe I had unsociable lithium butterflies.) Anybody have an extra copy of Touch they want to give/trade me? (Mine is in DD segments from the burning of the past pain ritual, but there is some fun stuff on there too.) Oh, and I almost went for the S-mug special but already have a cobalt blue mug with a fat bottom. oops Good enough, see you later David Dalton ---------------- "Morning s-miles" "and i looked into my lover's eyes..." (Ferron) "upstream or down without a thought" psHey, speaking of that last line, it is the anniversary of Sunflower Sunday tomorrow, Monday, so it must be Sunflower Monday so I might buy some sunflower seeds as directed in the herb magazine at the laundromat at Yew and 4th. And in her last song, FTE. I spread my arms wide to fly, but then caught her looking my way so rather than lowering them slowly in time with the music as usual I nervously flung them forwards, like rowing the energy to her on stage. I don't thing that was in my review of last year, I'll check after I post this, can't without popping out and into the editor again which is a pain. In pine can you read other messages while composing one? So that was before I went off to the sound of the waves, when I should have lingered for an autograph or something. Do they make sunflower seed ice cream or equivalent (froghurt, rice dreams). That was a good article, I should have copied it, evidently the russians make sunflower vodka for rubbing purposes, etc., plus I take zinc and sunflower seeds are a good source of copper for balance. But why didn't Van Gogh do "Dandelions"? On the way to softball today I saw a gorgeous lawn, short variety grass covered with beautiful DDlions along with birches and dogberry trees galore (the smell of crushed dogberries makes me smile due to memory associations I guess), etc. Oh well, I'd better do a modicum of work, or actually read the Sunday posts which I haven't done yet so maybe I'll do a few re:'s too in a minute. DD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:524 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:15:36 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:524 Subject: campusses (was Re: So, I'm in a place of pilgrimage...) Jason wrote: >Mike S. wrote: >>I'm quite impressed with the Dalh campus; with the exception of >>Victoria, it is the most beautiful campus I have ever seen. > >I was at Harvard, Mass, not too long ago, and it by far is the most >impressive campus I've seen... (and I loooove the victoria campus...) > >was wondering if anyone cared to start a new non-Sarah thread, best >damn campuses (campi) and why... Memorial is a good party campus, friendly, and in-city, but the architecture and surroundings aren't extra special. When I was in England I don't remember visiting any campuses. Calgary has great facilities since the Olympics, and people were friendly the summer I was there too, it retains some small town character. UBC has a mixed architecture, is away from the city proper, it takes 20 minutes to walk from one end of the campus to the other, but it has beautiful surroundings, lots of trails (muddy in winter), a few minutes walk to the clothing optional Wreck Beach (where I was going to go again early this week, I haven't been since April but the stairs are good for toning), a huge Botanical Gardens, japanese Garden, world class Museum of Anthropology (where Yeltsin and Clinton toured), First Nations Longhouse, Asian Centre, a brand new art gallery, at least five bars, and one of the biggest intramural sports programs. But it is a large commuter campus still, and the distance between buildings does not foster the interaction and strong sense of community that some campuses have, although they are working on it. I think at least one of the videos was shot around here or using mud from around here but haven't seen the videos yet so don't know where a sarafan would have to go to get a mud sample for hir collection, I guess you can always order a steaming coffee at The Railway as a substitute. Regarding the city itself, there is a little more large town wariness, people are not quite as rooted and open as far east, more people are in to outdoor activities than nightlife so the nightlife is not quite as good as it could be, although it is pretty good, one could easily spend every night club-hopping and checking out new bands, as Jason can attest. >And a question to John and Sugimoto...: What's the weather like in Halifax? >I've never been, and I would imagine it ain't all that... friendly... I can remember laying back on the hill above the clock tower and catching some rays in 1980 and it was probably only April, so the weather is good there, more exciting than Vancouver but probably not as exciting as St. John's. I think it is slightly warmer than St. John's on average and both are in term much warmer than Winnepeg and Edmonton and Ottawa in the winter, although they have more damp (foggy dew). The weather is definitely preferable to Toronto (too hot/humid) but not as edenic (is that a word) as Vancouver. But if you like a bit of snow for variety and to get the blood circulating in the top of your head and keep the light level up by reflection (it is much brighter back east in Dec/Jan than in Vancouver with it's thick continuous cloud cover) then you might like it (F east division?). David D. Message fte:525 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:58:16 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: fte:522 Message-ID: fte:525 Subject: Re:8th day: Pittsburgh Just a quick comment on the post from JCA (CassieL). Cassiel wrote: C> miniature land rover without the cost). we had lots of fun. the only C> drawback were the bees. there were lots. Sarah must have hit the queen bee note during sound check! C> but, that being said, "chewy", one C> of the sound guys, found the most amazing moth, stuck to the roof of the C> food tent. its wingspan was enormous. Did it have balls? C> brian the "bassssissst" was there and C> did a respectible impression of hannibal lecter, the psycho killer in C> "silence of the lambs", a movie sarah stole from the crew bus last night. C> hannibal minato? we think so. I've never seen that movie, I'm not really into psycho killers, so could someone on the FTE list explain what Cassiel meant? (But Jodie Foster is a good actor so maybe I will rent it if I have company to lean on someday.) David D. "sigh coquiller, qu'est que c'est" (Coquilles St. Jacques?) "Say something once, why say it again?" (oh no, I'll run dry) "I can't sleep 'cause my bed's on fire" (sofa bread) "Run run run run run run run and weigh (actually, running does help the O, oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh...." although it is just a cofactor) ----- another folk song for you, or a bit, Queen of Argyll, by Andy M. Stewart, on Silly Wizard live cd, so watch out if those moth eggs got into your argyll socks and sweaters (do they make argyll tights and nylons for women for the shock effect? But extra long men's argylls would work although I don't think I would find them sexy.) : Gentle men it is my duty To inform you of one beauty And ask of you a favour No to seek her for a while For I know she is a creature Of character and feature No words can paint the picture Of the Queen of all Argyll If you could have seen her there Boys if you had just been there The swan was in her movement And the morning in her smile The roses in the garden They bow and ask for pardon Not one could match the beauty Of the Queen of all Argyll Message fte:526 - Read Delivery-date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 21:37:31 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Sun Jul 23 21:30:38 1995" Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 0:29:23 UTC-0700 From: To: , Message-ID: fte:526 Subject: Re: BST: morning song quiz, D-ramble, Tara, S-mug David, Sorry I was in a hurry to read your WHOLE post, but there are a number of songs I can think of that have the lines "So in Love with You," but most prominently in my mind is the Cole Porter tune "So in love." It goes like this (though I should *really* stay out of the lyrics posting business!) "Strange dear, but true dear When I'm close to you dear The stars fill the sky So in love with you Am I. For even without you, my arms fold about you. You know, darling, why. So in love with you am I." ...and so on and so forth. Did I guess the mystery tune? If I didn't, oh well. I enjoyed singing along with this song as I posted it. :-) Lots of peace, Lois Message fte:527 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 22:26:32 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: , In-Reply-To: fte:526 Message-ID: fte:527 Subject: Re:BST: morning song quiz, D-ramble, Tara, S-mug Hi Lois; (some of this is for you and some was tagged on for all and sundry) you wrote: >Sorry I was in a hurry to read your WHOLE post, Thanks, from end to end? Wow, I'm flattered, most people stick my posts in the HOLE (trash in MacLingo) >but there are a number of >songs I can think of that have the lines "So in Love with You," but most >prominently in my mind is the Cole Porter tune "So in love." It goes like >this (though I should *really* stay out of the lyrics posting business!) > >"Strange dear, >but true dear >When I'm close to you dear This reminds me of a Beatles tune, but the tune I had in mind wasn't that Beatles tune, which I forget the name and rest of too. (?) >The stars fill the sky >So in love with you Am I. >For even without you, >my arms fold about you. >You know, darling, why. >So in love with you am I." > >...and so on and so forth. Did I guess the mystery tune? No, but that is a better song, thanks for sending it along! (Hey, that rhymed, by mistake!) In the song I had in my head this morning, I think there was a period after the "so in love with you". >If I didn't, oh well. I enjoyed singing along with this song as I posted it. > :-) oooh! I guess you'll be a stalwart on the fte-list compilation tape? :-) Hey, I didn't get a bounce to my post yet, but I have your reply? Is the majordomo not sending copies back to the originator? I guess I'll find out soon enough. Oh, and an addendum to the mug reference, my mug is not cobalt blue but maybe six-month jean blue, or pebbled seashell blue. But the exciting thing is that just know, when I finished my water and before putting a blackberry teabag in, I turned it over and looked at the unglazed light brown pottery (I haven't seen Ghost of Piano yet) bottom and lo and behold, there imprinted in the clay were two distinctive tiny marks: a swan and a sunburst. (A sibling gave me the mug, but I forget which one or whether it is Newfoundland, Toronto or Alberta made, it will come to me later no doubt. Oh, and on one side the glaze is pure blue but on the other side it has very faint greenish tinge and some reddish brown spots. Does anyone have the Sarah special edition mug yet? (I still want one, for guests to clink.) Oh, I just remembered, my brother George sent me the mug from Toronto for my birthday or Christmas, and I brought it in here since a while ago I broke the top of the "ugly mug" my brother John got for me on Vancouver Island around 1989 although I intend to either glue or saw that one offf (it was a tall beer bottle size tapered mug, but sawed off would be normal mug size). Does Sarah have a portable capuccino machine on her bus? And with all the touring, I'm surprised she bought a house and not a huge Win(n)ebago or tractor trailor or houseboat with studio, although houseboats can't go to Cleveland or maybe they can if they are convertible tractor trailer houseboats and if pigs had wings then Ayre's Rock would resonate with vertical vibrations of 0.3 Hz. (ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!) Oh, and Lois, your post was #77 in my folder (the Cassiel one was 69) so I will look at those Talking Heads 77 lyrics again and pick one line to include here "Love love love love is simple as 1-2-3" Oh no, another one for my list. Oh, and one line from So: "I come to you defences down, with the trust of a child, in your eyes, i am complete" DaviD p.s. I may cut down my computer time too because when you are on the computer for hours and hours you get computer back and computer neck and most importantly computer eyes, so those straight-ahead staring fishlike eyes that couldn't muster a romantic liquid trap to save your sole. Oh well, maybe I'll just wear my glasses more on the computer, take frequent breaks, place cucumber slices on my eyes when I do savasana (yoga), :-) and not go out right after computer work but after a break of at least two hours in between. Right now I have my old prescription glasses on, when I leave I will put my new ones on and things will seem sharper unlike the usual sensation when you leave the computer. Plus the advantage of glasses is that when you take them off you are more equipped for very close worK (assuming you are near-sighted). Still, most people find glasses unattractive so I will probably wear my contacts for long range hooking of/hooking by fish for now, or glasses when I need a shield, to avoid hypnosis. VancouveRites: this week I will go catch either Cory Brewster on Monday or Middlesex and Zoltan on Thursday, given my tastes and the fact that I am going out Tuesday to hear Tara McLean and lean towards not doing two nights in a row, which (I haven't heard wither) should I attend? I was going to catch The Frayed Knots on Tuesday since I know some of them and they are good but if I go hear Tara won't be able to unless it's the last bit. Oh well, maybe I'll stay home, especially if I run at 7 a.m. as planned. Message fte:528 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:15:12 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:528 Subject: BST: Mary Mack Hiya fumblers; Just a quick ramble while it is fresh in my memory (note, I don't talk like this in person, in fact I can't stand to be around people who talk hyper/nonstop without breathing unless I watch my own breathing carefully, in fact I kind of try and remotely wish them to slow down and breathe properly and not squeak so much). Last night I stayed up later than I should have, to past 3, musing and getting a bit of night energy, so I set my alarm for 9. This morning I woke around 8:10 a.m. with snippets of a fast folk song that I hadn't heard before going through my head. I quickly forgot it, but it sounded a bit like Mary Mack (a tune familiar to many Newfoundlanders and maybe Nova Scotians too) only with more complicated lyrics, in English though, so maybe it was the antecedent song (or an extension of) Mary Mack, or the Irish version translated for me by the earth. :-) Anyway, I forgot it all and will have to have a quickdraw notebook by the bed from now on. Later I say that the tune after the beautiful love tune Bridget O'Malley on Andy M. Stewart and Manus Lunny's CD At it Again is an instrumental with an Irish name that could be pronounced like Mary Mack but now I forget it (the name). It wasn't Mairie's Wedding, step be gay lee, now you go, or however that goes. I may ask on rec.music.celtic later, which may mean earlier in list bounce time. Oh, when I woke I felt a little nervous energy, perhaps because it was a fast tune, and also the "unearthly chill", so I was concerned that maybe it was a precursor to a mood change, due to my lowering my Li. But then I tried breathing, specifically this time a yin-yang balancing one where you deep breath, visualizing the inhalation coming up your back and the exhalation going down your front. That warmed me up immediately, which surprised me. And later I had my usual mid-morning energy dip, so if tonight I fall asleep easily I won't be concerned at all. (You see, I'm not allowed to be energetic! Hey, you should see the difference between my grade 5 picture [smiling sherub with long hair and clark kent glasses] and my post-grade-7 picture [mournful skinny pretzel beanpole]. I wonder whether plastic glasses or metal are better? Also the big thing in there, other than puberty and sunspots, was that I left a co-ed elementary school to go to a more regimented and bigger and boys-only (until grade 10 when there was partial reintegration but by which time we had grown strangers with the other sex). Enough, it is barely p.m., no p.s.! David D. (How are the Cincinnatti baseball team doing?) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:529 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:26:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:529 Subject: Re:BST: morning song quiz, D-ramble, Tara, S-mug Debbie scribed: >On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, F MagZine wrote: >> I dunno, Lois, I don't think Cole Porter was doin' a whole shiteload of >> stufff in the 80's... (or was he? correct me if i'm waaaay out there on >> this one, I'm not familiar with his body of work, and seem to be living >> with the distinct impression that he's an old-time blues guy...) > Lois might have been thinking of kd lang's version on red hot and blue, > which i really like whale-loads better than the original version (if you >ever rent a copy of 'kiss me kate', you can hear it.) Hey, I have Red, Hot and Blue (is the comma there? i'll check) although it is in my cd-case-top stack, not in the case, but i'll listen to it when i go home, provided the player doesn't act up again (it is refusing to play both fte and fs, maybe they are too dirty for it again, i'll have to watch those candles). Is the movie about Catherine the Great? Did she like sunflower vodka? Does CB have the jeebies, whatever they are? (jelly bean addiction, like RR, or something like "gee, bees") Uh oh, it is not even 2 p.m. yet! obSarah: I don't have the followup to Red. Hot and Blue. Was Sarah on that, and if so, what song, and what is the CD called? David Message fte:530 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:20:50 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9507242032.AA13040@lockpick.MIT.EDU> Message-ID: fte:530 Subject: clan McLachlan (was Re:college campuses) LIEBSO_M@CC.DENISON.EDU wrote: >ObSarah-Content and new thread proposal: Does anyone have any information >about the original Scottish clan McLachlan (i.e. clan tartan, motto, etc.)? No, just that the name can be spelled many ways, and they may have moved from ireland to scotland, and there was a Lachlan McLachlan who was mentioned in a book on second sight that I read last year. I would suggest looking at the back messages on alt.scottish.clans soc.genealogy.uk+ireland and maybe soc.culture.scottish soc.culture.irish and if there is nothing then ask on there, if you are interested enough, so maybe crosspost to all four but set followups to the first two or even the first one. But surely someone on the list knows all the tittilating Rob Roy/Braveheart/Highlander details, or can make some up with appropriate disclaimers. (Roots V: The McLachlan soap opera. [Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidENTal.]) no nay not i DD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:531 - Read Delivery-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:25:04 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Mon Jul 24 14:27:18 1995" Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:59:05 UTC-0700 From: Authorizing-Users: Danielle Hart To: Message-ID: <199507242059.QAA24406@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Re: BST: morning song quiz, D-ramble >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Length: 477 >Precedence: bulk I have to agree with Debbie that the k.d. lang version of "So in Love" is incredible. To put my two cents into the morning quiz, was it perhaps the kind of Four Tops/Commodores style song "So in Love"? I can only remember one verse: So in love are we two Just can't wait to say I do So in love (So in love) So much in love (So in love) So in love (So in love) are you and I I also have no idea who sang it -- it's just the first thing that popped into my head. Ciao, D. Message fte:532 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:49:17 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507242059.QAA24406@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Message-ID: fte:532 Subject: Re:BST: morning song quiz, D-ramble Danielle wrote: >I have to agree with Debbie that the k.d. lang version of "So in Love" >is incredible. To put my two cents into the morning quiz, was it >perhaps the kind of Four Tops/Commodores style song "So in Love"? I can >only remember one verse: > >So in love >are we two >Just can't wait >to say I do > >So in love >(So in love) >So much in love >(So in love) >So in love >(So in love) >are you and I No, I don't think so, I think it had slightly more complex lyrics and less repetition, and it wasn't group vocals but a male Del Shannon-ish type voice only a bit more syrupy. I thought it was "so in love with you" but it could have been ".... as the stars above, so in love with you" although that sounds like a mishmash of two tunes. (Besides, "Sarah McLachan" has five syllables, which goes with the "hopelessly in love" and the "so in love with you" although they don't rhyme so there would be a bridge line or several.) And it isn't too important so unless you are "hopelessly in love" with the thread, since it is getting off topic why don't people reply to me directly and then I'll summarize to the group later with a huge list of love songs or somethings. (Iris Dement does a great "I love them SOoo" to her mommy and daddy on her second CD.) Anyway, today I am in love with life, and the world, but it will probably wear off soon, like foggy dew. David D. p.s. I'm staying off any caffeine today but think the morning energy (as opposed to the usual morning low) was due to the regular exercise and also to my taking the last Li after supper so that by morning blood level is at its lowest, which is fine since at night is when I have to watch myself more anyway, in terms of slipping, and the level will be steady then although lower than before. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:533 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:12:02 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:533 Subject: Re:Silence of the lambs jkurylo@direct.ca wrote: >On Sun, 23 Jul 1995, David Dalton wrote: >> > >>It's an excellent movie (one of my favorites), but it is pretty intense and >>violent in spots. Not one to rent for a light evening's entertainment, but >>definitely worth a trip to the video shop. No, I didn't write that, someone else did, replying to me. (Now that we have moved to majordomo, it it even more important to put your name and e-mail address at the bottom of the post since some people might not get the Authorizing-Users: line. Also when replying, the default reply-to is no longer the individual or the list but is the list-owner, so you must edit this to either the list or the individual.) I haven't seen it yet, and don't intend to soon, I'll stick to others I haven't seen, such as Mr. Jones, Rainman, Nell, and hundreds of others that would not disturb my sensitive 4-year old born-again child spirit self. What are Sarah's or your favourite movies or soundtracks? I seem to remember Blade Runner but I've seen that, and long ago read I Dream of Electric Sheep, the Philip K. Dick story it is based on, so maybe she is Scottish or drank too much McEwan's once and had shocking dreams. It wasn't one of my all-time favourites but then again I haven't seen the director's cut. And which movies do you think would make good full length videos for a Sarah song and why? (That was stretching it to get some S-content in there so I won't be surprised if nothing results; I'll have to think longer and harder to bait the thread hooks properly.) Oh wait, I just realized I inadvertently went from lambs to sheep, but I guess that is a natural process that carried me along like a river of words. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:534 - Read Delivery-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:25:59 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Mon Jul 24 16:24:30 1995" Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:22:29 UTC-0700 From: Authorizing-Users: Ira Flax To: In-Reply-To: <199507242059.QAA24406@lynx.dac.neu.edu>; from "Danielle Hart" at Jul 24, 95 4:59 pm Message-ID: <199507242225.IAA12313@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Subject: Re: BST: morning song quiz, D-ramble >Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] >Precedence: bulk To add some minor context to this chorus, the song starts with a buncha boids, and then: As we stroll along, together Holding hands, twinkling stars above (we--oo) : So in love : are we two : Just can't wait : to say I do : : So in love : (So in love) : So much in love : (So in love) : So in love : (So in love) : are you and I : : : I also have no idea who sang it -- it's just the first thing that popped : into my head. The Times - or Tymes? Circa 1962. But there is another song I'm remembering a snippet of, but can't really get; if I write some music can anyone remembering the words? In 4/4, key of C, where R=rest and - is sustain sorry about this, I haven't written music in ages and have no idea how to write this in email): 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 R C B A G-G-G DEF FGEDCDC-C(octave) * *starting here, the lyrics go: cause I'm so in love with you-oo-oo----oo (the third oo is 1 octave higher than the second oo). Maybe that's the song DD? Ira iflax@vis.com Message fte:535 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:51:44 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507242225.IAA12313@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: fte:535 Subject: Re:BST: morning song quiz, D-ramble Ira wrote: >To add some minor context to this chorus, the song starts with a buncha boids, >and then: > >As we stroll along, together >Holding hands, twinkling stars above (we--oo Hey, I seemed to remember this "stars above" bit too so maybe you are right, but I would have to hear it. Also I was almost sure it was "so in love with you" but maybe it was "so in love we--oo" or "so in love we two". >: So in love >: are we two >: Just can't wait >: to say I do >: >: So in love >: (So in love) >: So much in love >: (So in love) >: So in love >: (So in love) >: are you and I >: >: >: I also have no idea who sang it -- it's just the first thing that popped >: into my head. > >The Times - or Tymes? Circa 1962. > >But there is another song I'm remembering a snippet of, but can't >really get; if I write some music can anyone remembering the words? > >In 4/4, key of C, where R=rest and - is sustain sorry about this, >I haven't written music in ages and have no idea how to write this in email): There is a handy abc type notation described at the celtic.stanford.edu archive site, along with some software to convert from it to MusicTeX typesetting notation (sheet music). >1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 > >R C B A G-G-G DEF FGEDCDC-C(octave) I'm still illiterate but will work on that soon now that I have the (by ear) sound of the wild firmly embedded. >*starting here, the lyrics go: > >cause I'm so in love with you-oo-oo----oo (the third oo is 1 octave >higher than the second oo). > >Maybe that's the song DD? The "with you" and the "oo-oo----OO" sound familiar but so did the "stars above" up above so maybe since the dream I have muddied things up completely. But it must be one of those two, and if I listened to them I would know. Anyone know what the second one is? But this is getting off topic, so if anyone complains we should end this thread and I will take better bedside notes for certain things (musical dreams) in future (but would never kiss and tell although it might show in me somehow, even dream kisses, which I almost never remember). Hey, this is the longest thread I've ever begun on this list, I think. And nobody has complained yet, I guess due to it's musical content of sorts. DD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:536 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:09:01 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HT975VUM1E008GN2@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:536 Subject: Re:Stuff and things and two days to go! John Shepard wrote: >Sarah nude would be absolutely beautiful So? Body beauties are a dime a dozen but she has more than that, she has inner beauty, a voice to unbind Odysseus and fortitude/character/mystique, as well, although the mystique seems to lead to more problems than not. >, except for the male >hormonal tendency to always overdo things; for many men, and >this is IMHO but well supported by experience, the fine line >between "She's beautiful" and "I'd like to do the bump and grind >with her" is blurred into nonexistence. In other words, a lot of >folks, including myself, probably can't be trusted to keep >erotic beauty and brainless lust apart. Lust is not brainless, it just accesses little used parts of the brain and gives them a good workout. And there are lots of little mind games that can prop up or undermine lust. But you do have to let go of surface trivial thoughts and go deep in the mind to truly appreciate lust, so yoga helps? >>Would you rather she make up new stories, rather than being honest >>and telling the naked truth? Would you rather she be a shy >>performer saying next to nothing like in the Touch days? Or >>an old grump like me (actually I have resolved to smile more). > >Old grump? Dalton? You? You wanna meet a grump, try posting >another 34K message to the list; _there's_ grumps. I don't >picture you as an old grump, if anything I picture you as a >hermit living on a mountaintop, to which seekers ascend and ask >the meaning of life, and get long-winded, obscure, and >entertaining answers. Aha, but in person I am sometimes wary like a stray cat, self-restrained to avoid the white coats, and can't think/create quite as fast as I can talk (unless I am really pumped) and even then have a bit of a shell so that in a group I'm less likely to cut loose with stuff, one-on-one more likely, but so far mostly restricted to solitary outpurrings :-) in inner voice for exercise, or on scraps of paper or mostly on this list. Probably with the right rhythms and setting and metronome I could still create on the fly but it would start off bad before it got good and I would probably not get past the bad. (I seem to be able to create slower than I talk or faster, to instrumental stuff, but not much in real time, plus the presence of gorgeous women sometimes puts a combination lock on the brain, which all bike thieves know how to get off quickly.) So John, you haven't met me, but in real life I've been mostly introverted (reminds me of green beer, in french) until I know people well, and even rather slow to pick up on excellent opportunities for witty repartee/banter and/or romantic bumps or eyes until later, the old "what if I had said that" deal, only on here it doesn't count. >The lightning bugs comments in Cincinnati. Does anyone else >notice how she mumbles onstage when she's "off the script?" As >if she knows she doesn't know what she's talking about, and is >trying to avoid embarassment? (Hey, I do this myself.) Were they mumble bees? :-) (groan) Sometimes when you think creatively you draw inwards and don't project, or you are unsure and don't project it the first time round. Other times you can be on, everything flowing like a river. >DD: >>That's not the way to go, such equipment (and answering machines) >>can make the best of us sound terrible. You would be amazed >>what a good sound board with attached technician can do; with >>some EQ adjustments to round out the voice or accentuate certain >>features, plus some effects to help people with shaky voices, >>you can do wonders. Or you could try a karaoke bar and get >>your friends to judge. > >Weren't we just, on Ecto, discussing how different our voices >sound from inside than from outside? i. e. the difference >between hearing yourself speak and hearing a tape recording of >yourself speaking? Actually I don't really attach any voice to my inner voice too much, or can bend it to match the singer's if I am internally singing along. When I hear my recording voice it is often less resonant and deep rooted than I would like, although that may improve with proper breathing and the lowered lithium and the exercise, or just some attention to detail. (i.e., when I am relaxed and talking to someone I am interested in, I can put more into my voice than if I'm talking to an answering machine; or if I am talking to a troubled friend I might try to perk it up if they are down, or induce sleep if they are hyper and it is well past midnight, by gradualling slowing down and deepening while talking to them so they follow along into sleepiness. I haven't had any voice lessons yet. Also, I think that I sound better late at night. And somehow I don't like some singers' voices with ranges like mine as much as those like Sarah. :-) Oh, and I heard Rita Chirelli or however you spell her name, on Saturday Night Blues on CBC and will have to get her new CD, I missed her when she played the RC though. So maybe ranges aren't as important as feeling. >>It might help to get some vocal lessons from a real singer, >>most struggling singers give lessons on the side, so ask >>one whose style you like if she gives lessons or who her >>teacher is/was. Or join a choir or other vocal group, >>but that demands dedication. Or drop by a folk song circle >>or folk night or open mic or jam at a local dive and >>at first sing along and eventually get the house band to >>back you in some acoustic karaoke. With you various >>instrumental skills you would be a welcome asset to any jam, >>and could work through backing/harmony vocals to lead. > >The first step is in admitting you suck. A lot of players who know many hot licks do indeed suck at vocals. >Imagine "Ice Cream" in the hands of lesser mortals. Maybe a punk version? It would have to be different, that's for sure. Oh, and a.s.o when I dipped in there was a mildly funny post on Cooking... although not nearly as funny as a post to a.s.o,w by msimone on "Re: What makes good oral sex?" that I saved for the laugh factor. >She's back in Van? Thought she had a warehouse in Montreal. No, that was a cabin, we don't know where the house is, and I doubt we ever will, since it is a wherehouse (and don't even think about Captain Eo). >mM: >>"I have little bits and pieces (of songs)" she says. "Verses or choruses, >>and ideas. I have to finalize them." Aha, I bet when she gets to relax and practice her Irish dancing some more it will all come pouring out like the morning capuccino and gel together like bryl cream and tiger balm. (ick) >And besides, why would you want to go someplace that Sarah >wanted so badly to get out of? I can easily imagine one sneaking >into deserted classrooms, restrooms, and lockers, searching for >1985-era bubble gum with braces marks petrified into it, or >nasty graffiti pictures of Medusa, or old love notes in >Sarahfont. But it's like scouring Seymour High School looking >for Mellencamp souvenirs; y'ain't gonna find it. There are always old yearbook pictures, which are usually even worse than old ID pictures. But maybe she worked on the yearbook in which case they wouldn't be as bad. Maybe they kept records of deTention? Oh no, I'm slipping, this post was not up to snuff, too teenlike, but hey, today I feel like I'm 18 and well pre-operation again. (Abdominal exercises seem to help energies a bit tooo. But I skipped the run today, will resume tomorrow.) Oh, maybe my reply style varies depending on who I am replying to? (Little nudge, John, although you have been improving a lot, maybe you have bad and good times of the year?) David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:537 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 22:05:18 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: , In-Reply-To: <199507250127.VAA15876@io.org> Message-ID: fte:537 Subject: Re:honesty vs entertainment (was Re:Some BST) Kevin Dekan (belzebub) wrote: K> At 08:42 PM 7/21/95 UTC-0700, David Dalton wrote: K>D> And whenever I have heard her any patter is K>D> not the focus, just a bonus, the music is the focus, the K>D> river of sound pouring through my soul like hot water through K>D> a teabag of many cups. (Ha, that's bad I know. In a bit I K>D> might do a parody of Foggy Dew to see if I still have it, K>D> lately my mind has been distracted.) K> K> True enough. Has anyone had the opportunity yet to yell "Use the force, K> Luke!" at any concert this leg of the tour? For a second I thought "but Luke isn't on the tour" but then realized that it is David Sinclair who stayed home. Imagine 10,000 people yelling "Use the Force Luke" in unison, and the energy lifting Luke up like a leprechaun on a big mushroom (magic) in a video or road movie like Hard Days Night or Rattle and Hum. K> I'll count myself fortunate K> because I was one of the first to see her at a large gathering place this K> tour (the Amphitheatre) and got to witness firsthand her look of shock at K> the vast multitude of cheering fans. :) Yeah, that must be some rush, and luckily she has worked up to it gradually and hence must have avoided the worst of the stage fright! But still, it seems like it's been a fast climb. K>D> With a swing of her hips, she started to trip, to (how does that go) K>D> K> Oh, if we want to get into a discussion about hips... I am very much a fan K> of Sarah's hips. >:) Ah, but if you are a fan of Sarah then by corollary 5.5 you are a fan of every Sarah subsystem (which could be extended to all those under her big umbrella). Does anybody deliver milkshakes to Sarah too? K> And how did you manage to get lithium into your system, anyway? It must be all that lepidolite (moth reference), or I studied the lithospheric plates too hard and they bit me, or I stayed too long in the mud pits or hot springs, and it is taking me a few years to taper off. Or I didn't hear enough Sarah for a while and then when I heard her it was too much for me to handle. Seriously, I pulled too many all-nighters and probably drank too much between 1983 and 1991 and it eventually caught up with me; a combination of factors lined up to send me into a manic episode consisting of runaway flights of ideas culminating in a nature trek mystic experience, after this the doctors stuck me on way too much lithium, and since then I have been learning the ropes and gradually coming down with the lithium and on to better alternatives, although I probably won't come entirely off the lithium, and may need to bring it up again slightly in a few years as solar cycle intensity increases, although that is speculative. Luckily, due to my basic introverted and non-violent nature, during any hypomanic episodes I have kept things mostly internalized except for the net, although this is more crucial for the mixed/dysphoric type episodes when the world seems to go awry around me. The second type has often been triggered or exacerbated by alcohol or once marijuana so I should avoid those. Also a good creative episode can shift towards a shaky, twisted (but still internalized) one if I try to ride it too long and get sleep deprived, or drink several days into the creative episode. But my episodes show some correlation with the solar cycle and this year have been decreasing in intensity, so I have tentatively lowered my lithium while maintaining good lifestyle habits. In the past year, however, I have several times experienced problems in the days after new moon, hence I am considering going back up from 900mg to 1200mg for the next week, but instead think I will just be extra self-observant and boost the lithium back to 1800mg if there are warning signs, plus I have an emergency medication that will knock me down quickly from any high, but I hate to use it since it leaves me numb and joyless for several days after. K> "Your love is better than Twinkies" A hosed S? Does she have one of those viking helmets with beer cans and a siphon? No, that's the MacKenzies (not to be confused with The Real McKenzies, who just released their Scotthrash CD "Scotland", it probably can be had from A&B 1-800-663-0596 as well as for locals from Zulu, Track, A&B or drunken band members members. hey, they got the 69 backwards at Scotland Yard, I wonder what will happen in May96? A party no doubt. And 6/63, I may have been conceived around then, or maybe Canada Day or Star Spangled Blanket Day.) K> "We don't go to hell, memories of us do" Actually memories do the limbo and can pop up unexpectedly just like the Scottish flag und der klit, hooded fang of rhythm. K> "You may be right, it's all a waste of time...I guess that's just a chance K> that I'm prepared to take" Oh, but according to the frequency domain "demons" that gave me the workover in late May92, we t-entities are just a rash (t-rash), so we of time are waste of frequency. Actually I just made all that up, maybe it is waist. But seriously, of course it is not all a waste of time, only some, and you don't get anywhere without taking chances, but if you are on the edge like I was for the last four years, you don't take many chances if you want to get by, since the universe is the one playing dice (e.g.) with you. Hey, I'm a 7! And in my slightly tidied folder, Kevin's message was another 77! So that's 777, which is 97 times 21, so maybe on Feb. 1/97 Sarah will release a new recording. Oh no, that is a Saturday, and so soon after the Christmas season is unlikely, so I must have something wrong as usual. I wonder what the Nettwerk Shop special will be on that day (that's stretching it). David D. --------- "your love is better than... any pill" "love is the drug I'm thinking of" (Alice and the moon) Message fte:538 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 22:44:06 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HT9FIV49DE009EBT@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:538 Subject: Re:Someone asked why we don't discuss Sarah's sexuality John S wrote: >Why don't we discuss it? Does she play frisbee too? >Because we don't have answers, that's >why. Because too often, those who ask (and often those who >answer) react too strongly. Not everyone on the net practices >tolerance, and I must name myself among the guilty who've taken >part in homosexuality debates here in the past. Because if Sarah >really wanted us to know who or what she sleeps with, she'd have >told us, or Madonna-style, made a book of it. Or rather, made a _really_ good love/loving song of it, although many of her good songs have loving overtones, it is just that unlike many shallow singles out there they have other sides as well and leave some of the poetic interpretation up to the listener. And I bet even when she does a really good love song, she will do it so that it will make eyes water, smiles form and sensitive spots perk up on listeners of all types, but who will attribute that to the song and not to Sarah as an object to stalk. What I mean there is that so far all of Sarah's songs are intimately rooted in her and don't have a life of their own yet, but I'm not sure yet how to give a song wings. And if the question "is sarah a lesbina" is taboo, then so is the one "is sarah straight", we all know she has a nicely curved voice, no linear filters there! Why do we make such a big deal about it, the music is what maters, why don't we just all talk about how Sarah's music affects or has affected our sexuality and leave her alone, except that I think she likes lots of loud applause. (What is the optimum clapping rhythm for maximum smile brightness? Actually clapping is kind of like a waterfall or acoustic river, the milk of Rhea, if there are enough clappers, like everyone high fiving at once with each other and Sarah in a network. Too late (10:40 p.m.), and I have done 1/2 hour of thesis work and probably five or six hours of net procrastination today, and I hope to run at 7 or 8 a.m. tomorrow, so good night all. (I used to be more of an evening runner though, but no gay Blade.) David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:539 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:41:15 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9507250839.AA22903@taliesin.esdtcom.wednet.edu> Message-ID: fte:539 Subject: Re:BST: Is Sarah a Thespian? Taliesin (Ken) wrote: >Did anyone see the latest screen adaptation of "Rob Roy" with Liam Neeson? Not yet, although I have heard some good things about it (although The Real McKenzies liked Braveheart better). >There was a scene at a celebration where one of women from Rob's village sang >a beautiful traditional, and I'm thinking (and I tend to think in quotes) That is Karen Matheson, the lead singer of Capercaillie, whose voice is rather good. I have their early trad albums Crosswinds and Sidewaulk, their more recent albums such as Get Out and Delirium and others are more pop-influenced. Live they cook, though I haven't heard them in a few years since I don't much like sit-down venues for them. >"Wouldn't it be cool if Sarah performed a song in at least one of the many >period movies coming out these days?" Just a thought... Dirty Dancing III? Bluenose III? Evangeline? >Tangent time: does anyone know if Sarah has tried singing operatic (as in >opera, not to be confused with operations or Oprah) material? I fell asleep >listening to "Touch" last night and woke remembering Sarah singing opera in a >large swishing hoop-skirt... Was it the hula-hoop competition on Wreck Beach in 1988? David D. p.s. I'm slow today, too many hours on the computer last night, plus sunspot number is now zero, plus the weather cooled and moistened overnight so that rush hour noise was worsened by greasy moist roads and under-pressure tires and more people going to work because it was cloudy, and a cool east wind blew eau d'rush hour in through my east kitchen window and on to my toes. Or it could have been the safeway canteloupe I ate last night, chemicals or something. So I slept in to 10:55 a.m., didn't run, walked in though, and hope to perk up later tonight but if not may stay home and catch Tara McLean some other time. Anyway, that will explain why I will (should) post way less today, to conserve my energies and avoid the old computer hunch and tendonitis and eye glaze. But if I go down to the show I will report back tomorrow briefly. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:540 - Read Delivery-date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 14:05:50 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Tue Jul 25 00:46:20 1995" Send-date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 1:22:40 UTC-0700 From: Authorizing-Users: "Joseph C. Yu" To: Message-ID: <199507250522.BAA06630@hTSO01.Cin.IX.net> Subject: Sarah's boyfriend >Precedence: bulk I just saw my first sarah show in cincy. it rocked! the chieftans were much better than expected. anyways, to put an end to the "is sarah a lesbian or not argument." While she was introducingt the band, she said that the David Sinclair was her "organist, mouth flute-ist, etc." and she ended the list with " and my boyfriend." so, to me that would constituit that she is involved with a man. that's enough for me. -yub ps- and they rubbed butts. Message fte:541 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:42:00 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:541 Subject: Re:Sarah's boyfriend David O. wrote: >On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Bailey, Doug S wrote: >> But doesn't Kershaw also play guitar? I'm sure I remember him playing >> it on Ice Cream with Sarah live. > >I believe he played bass on Ice Cream live, but I wouldn't be >surprised if he can also play guitar. Can he play ka-zoo? My ex-housemate Bridget used to have one, but I never tried it. Funny, though, for those wild rides in the back of her red jeep. And she was a dragon boat racer! (Actually we were just good friends, if you are insinuating something.) So now at least all the rumours and speculation that Sarah is asexual (alt.sex.NOT) have been put to rest, she wasn't content to "Let the Mystery Be" as Iris Dement sings. It must be the hot summer nights. David D. tumblin' dalton@geop.ubc.ca "showers of rain come pouring down, sky full of stars like a french lace gown" (Oh, and the rain has cleared the air a bit so I'm not quite so low energy but my mood is a notch lower, some yoga and good music later might help.) Message fte:542 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:42:44 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:542 Subject: BST: focus never forms Just a little snippet related to that line from Vox, (especially since I am on paleo today). My keyboard suddenly stopped working after something I did, the mouse worked but not the keyboard, so I had to call on my sysadmin John Amor (not the librarian, Nan Love). He tried a few things and eventually told me to exit X-windows and then re-enter, and that worked. I told him that I had entered a kbd_mode -a and reset after my zsh cursor keys started screwing up (the arrow keys weren't working but the emacs control keys were, so the pad wasn't working). It was after I did that that the whole keyboard, not just the pad, went dead. Anyway, he told me that the problem was that the "keyboard had lost its focus". Evidently "Focus" is a term in X-Windows programming; e.g., man -k focus produces, among other things: XtCallAcceptFocus (3Xt) - calla widget's accept_focus procedure XtSetKeyboardFocus (3Xt) - focus events on a child widget Anyway, after I re-entered X-Windows (tvtwm), the other sysadmin, Gerry Grieve, came in and asked was it working, and I said yes, so he didn't stick around. (Actually, despite the last name, he is a cheerful sort and orienteering buff and has clobbered me at darts at The Railway Club before.) OK, now I'd better get back to the bit of thesis editing (I'm adding recent/old work but still not doing much new lately). -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:543 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:54:57 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:543 Subject: BST: focus never forms (addendum) Oh, and the man page for XtSetKeyboardFocus is kind of interesting, lots of talk of subtrees and descendants and ancestors, so maybe it is related to the maternal (Xs) clan line thread. Also there is a bit about a waterfall. I'm too lazy to extract the good bits so I append the whole thing, it's not too long but if you feel the need to flame me do it off the list. David D. -------- XtSetKeyboardFocus(MISC. REFERENCE MANUAL XtSetKeyboardFocus(3Xt) NAME XtSetKeyboardFocus - focus events on a child widget SYNTAX XtSetKeyboardFocus(subtree, descendant) Widget subtree, descendant; ARGUMENTS descendant specifies either the widget in the subtree struc- ture which is to receive the keyboard event, or None. Note that it is not an error to specify None when no input focus was previously set. w specifies the widget for which the keyboard focus is to be set. DESCRIPTION If a future KeyPress or KeyRelease event occurs within the specified subtree, XtSetKeyboardFocus causes XtDispatchEvent to remap and send the event to the specified descendant wid- get. When there is no modal cascade, keyboard events can occur within a widget W in one of three ways: + W has the X input focus. + W has the keyboard focus of one of its ancestors, and the event occurs within the ancestor or one of the ancestor's descendants. + No ancestor of W has a descendant within the keyboard focus, and the pointer is within W. When there is a modal cascade, a widget W receives keyboard events if an ancestor of W is in the active subset of the modal cascade and one or more of the previous conditions is True. When subtree or one of its descendants acquires the X input focus or the pointer moves into the subtree such that key- board events would now be delivered to subtree, a FocusIn event is generated for the descendant if FocusNotify events have been selected by the descendant. Similarly, when W loses the X input focus or the keyboard focus for one of its ancestors, a FocusOut event is generated for descendant if FocusNotify events have been selected by the descendant. SEE ALSO XtCallAcceptFocus(3Xt) X Toolkit Intrinsics - C Language Interface X Version 11 Last change: 1 September 1988 1 XtSetKeyboardFocus(MISC. REFERENCE MANUAL XtSetKeyboardFocus(3Xt) Xlib - C Language X Interface Message fte:544 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:03:31 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:544 Subject: BST: only ash remains On Sunday Morning I heard a repeat of a program on Stradivarius violins and how he used a special ash in his varnish, and no doubt a special type of wood as well, or wood treated in a certain way. I believe the ash is a type of volcanic ash, perhaps even ash from one of the villages that was wiped out by eruptions long ago in Italy. If so, then the instruments represent all we have of those long ago dead souls, and the intsrument allow their voices to be heard long after they are dead. I wonder how Kurt Cobain would feel about having his ashes made into a new generation of instruments to keep the torch alive? (What did he play?) David Message fte:545 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:12:23 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: , In-Reply-To: <01HTAS8XQ0J60073MC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:545 Subject: Re: Eleventh hour thoughts on concerts and loneliness John, did you offer a free ticket? Wow, I'm surprised that nobody has taken you up on it now, especially since your posts have been mostly clear-headed lately, and with company you will have less chance to obsess about Sarah and act weird, the company would be the best security. But there are worse concerts to go to alone than Sarah's, especially if you have a distracting talkative date who isn't as into Sarah, or a new gorgeous date that you are so worried about impressing that you don't relax and pay attention to the main attraction but get all uptight and blow both. And sometimes it is good to go alone and cruise the crowd, and feel free to act a bit weird, Sarah is in favour of freedom of expression as long as it doesn't tread on somebody else's (hers included) toes. Plus you can hang out at the nerd metal tent, and get the cosmic ray to ionosphere to lightning through metal tent antenna brain core kindling treatment, with your rubber boots on. :-) Look at it this way, at least you are getting to hear Sarah live, which I haven't for months and months! DavidD -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:546 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:17:53 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:546 Subject: Re:repeated speeches VOX wrote: >when sarah says the same stuff at every show, isn't it like telling >different people the story of something that happened to you. if sarah >played to the same people every night, i doubt she woudl repeat herself, Maybe she would, that would explain why she has so much trouble getting gigs in Vancouver, even more than a lot of the people I have done sound for, way more than the best of those. :-) Seriously, at the start of a career you don't want to water down the home town draw much, but now that the fan base is nicely extended surely there is no such problem, which would keep the rust asleep (i.e., rustiness between tours due to lack of playing). But then Vancouver would become a mecca for all of you. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:547 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 13:04:32 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Cc: , In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:547 Subject: Re:Apologies and goodbyes ( TORI's RAINN needs help) Vicki wrote: >First...sorry. Second...since this account will probably be yanked >I just wanted to say bye to those Sarah fans who've meant so much >to me. I've been a Sarah fan since "Touch" came out in 1988 (and can >say with a fair amount of certainty that I was probably the first >person to play Sarah on American radio) and I'll continue to be a >Sarah fan. I have another account but I won't be signing up for >FTE there. I disagre strongly with Steve, and strongly agree with Vicki, it was not a spam but an informational post of interest to many of the followers of the newsgroups and mailing lists in question, NOT indiscriminately posted to hundreds of groups or crossposted to completely unrelated newsgroups with the juvenile intention of creating a wasteful flame war, like some. This informational post is unlikely to generate much in the way of off-topic followup threads (although Steve's action surely will) but likely to begin thought-provoking threads on the messages these strong modern women singer songwriters are trying to convey in their music. Furthermore, Vicki has been one of the saner voices I have known in my time on the internet, and has not hesitated to chastise me when I have strayed in my netiquette (as in when I was lobbying for alt.music.s-mclachlan creation). There are far worse transgressors deserving to have their account yanked, but not Vicki, not based on the unfounded complaint of ONE disgruntled soul. Steve, I would suggest that you check the group for some sort of consensus before lobbying to have someone's account revoked, and also that you retract your complaint and apologize to Vicki, that would render unnecessary a lot of useless flaming on the groups and lists and to you and the postmaster, no doubt. David Dalton -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:548 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 13:12:27 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9507251112.A20744@smtplink.jetform.com> Message-ID: fte:548 Subject: Re:Re[2]: Someone asked why we don't discuss Sarah's sexuality Rick wrote: >From: David Dalton >>And I bet even when she does a really good love song, > >I would argue that she has a number of them right now! No, they are bad love songs, but good songs. Also they are so introspective and ambiguous that she gets all these weirdos falling for her, whereas unambiguous outgoing happy love songs with a name, e.g. Michelle, ma belle, would only get those with spare tires. (Don't get me wrong, I'm a sucker for those moody one-size-fits-all love songs she does.) >>she will do it so that it will make eyes water, smiles >>form and sensitive spots perk up on listeners of >>all types > >So you specifically mean a *happy* really good love >song... Ice Cream is mostly happy. No, I mean a love song or a few that will be remembered in thirty years, or even centuries, and not just archived, but covered. But at the rate she has been getting better and better, I bet the next album could be the one! David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:549 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 13:33:21 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <30167FFB@MSMSMTP.NFB-ONF.CA> Message-ID: fte:549 Subject: Re:Is Sarah Too Big? Alexandre ecrit: >But, what next? Arenas and stadiums? I don't think so, I don't think she'd >belong there... And, I don't think I'd belong ther either. As much as I adore >her music and love to see her live, I think wouldn't go to a Sarah McLachlan >concert if wasn't in an intimate showplace, where I could see the expressions >on her face and hear her voice above all. I think that would be sad... but >that's the way I am: no compromise. >So, I ask this question: Is Sarah too big? Is she too big already? No, I think everyone deserves a chance to hear her. As long as the sound quality is maintained, arenas are OK; you can take binoculars. At this stage there are three (or more) ways for her to go: 1. continue with the medium size venues and constant touring and burn out her creativity and zest for touring too quickly 2. go to larger venues where the draw is there, and take more time to produce new recordings 3. do like Joni Mitchell in recent years, or like local act The Perfume Tree (who were one of the first acts to play the open mic that I was involved with at UBC, although I didn't do sound, and who have a centrefold in The Discorder this month) and rarely tour (but play at home a bit) and produce lots of recording and videos and concert videos that would eventually be realistic and 3-D so you could hear her do the same shtick between songs as much as you like. 4. retire and become a reclusive artist on a tropical island 5. become a big movie star after a big musical road movie thingie featuring dirty irish dancing and simultaneous guitar and piano and hubcap playing, smiling all the while. 6. one-up Spirit of the West and do a rock album, folk album, and symphony album all around the same time, for release on Feb. 14 , 1996; March 14, 1996; and Beethoven's birthday, 1996 (if it is a bit after St. Patrick's Day). :-) 7. Win a demonstration sport medal in combined freestyle hackysack and caber toss on roller skates at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Glasgow, if she eats her porridge that's just right, not two hot, not too cold (hug ref). (you add some) Does she know Tom Hanks, or cruise toms, b'y? David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music biff --- --- Message fte:550 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 13:40:55 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507261604.MAA16026@post.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: fte:550 Subject: Re:Is Sarah Too Big? No Name, even nickname wrote: >Is Sarah "superstar" material? Is there room on the top of the pedestal for >another female superstar - to join Madonna, Streisand, et al. No, I think she has more staying power than a super star, for any astronomers out there, she is less likely to burn out after the hard climb on the stairway to heaven. But she gets closer to our hearts so should eclipse them easily. >More to the point, is that what Sarah's really after? I don't get the >impression it is. It's not what Sarah's in it for. It never has been. I >really hope it never will be. She has us all hooked now, plus we seem to turn others on to her, so if she never toured again and kept the recording quality up I bet she would still get million sellers. Of course, that doesn't hold for some other parts of the world yet. (Don't get me wrong, I think touring is essential, but not nonstop to the point of artist burnout, band breakup, and creative oblivion like _some_ of the reformed oldies acts on the circuit these days.) David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:551 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 14:19:22 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HTBT5VFTMA9QVDBG@delphi.com> Message-ID: fte:551 Subject: Re:power listening Hi ; you wrote: >Your post about how you use music to send energy to people was interesting. >How did you learn to do this? Natural processes such as weather and sunspot cycles effect my energy levels a bit, and so does music. I am not sure if I am actually sending the music or energy yet, but find it useful as a visualization exercise, even if it is not working, the act of trying is empowering. To learn it, I observed myself and my environment, and observed the effect of music and other factors upon my energy level, and unconsciously incorporated stuff I have learned elsewhere. >Did youinvent it? I doubt it, I am sure other people can feel an "inner voice" resonating with external music, and reach out, or try to reach out, to convey some of that resonance/tuning to others. >Do you do a lot of Taoist practises? >I have learned some from Mantak chia's books but have never >been able to go to a class. No, I am suspicious of blindly following the path of others, but have skimmed lots of books and some of it has stuck. I have done some Iyengar yoga but that focuses more on the body (and as you get more advanced, more breathwork and some energy work) and not much on meditative and spiritual techniques, which are left up to the individual, and are highly individual --- the same recipe doesn't work for everyone. I have also done one or two beginner classes of Tai Chi but didn't like the instructor since he was having us move too fast for my breath, i.e., too fast for me to feel any chi. But I will give it and/or chinese qi gong a try again sometime. >Could you describe in more detail how you do this, It varies, I have tried several different approaches, and it is not like a fixed recipe or ritual but an improvisation each time, with some common factors. Generally I will relax, loosen the belt if there is one, regularize the breathing, intently listen to the music, perhaps stretch the arms and fingers a bit (bending back the fingers helps), and although I may either be seated or standing I more often will be standing, with feet frimly rooted, hip distance or wider apart. The arms could be extended or put in one of the qi gong type positions to develop the chi sensation if it isn't there already, but if I am "sending" they are usually by my side, perhaps turned slightly outward. On my graphic equalizer I usually boost the 64 (and lower) Hz, drop the 250 Hz, and adjust the rest to sound good, usually to enhance the voice or key instrument if it is instrumental. Then when you can feel the cool burning sensation in the palms, concentrate on the inner voice singing along with the music, and imagine it leaving you in waves, like circular loops of different sizes, or perhaps an arc through the earth, or whatever you like. I most often visualize counterclockwise loops in situations where you can see the other person, but have tried clockwise too on occasion (when the sunspot cycle reversed, and when an Australian band was playing :-) ). Also I still do most of it in the space between inhalation and exhalation, and grab breaths when the music allows, like a musician would. I will have to learn more about pranayama before trying other possibilities, but suspect that one could sing along and still feel in tune. >and what effects it has on you or other people that you send the energy to? Possibly none, it may just be a self-empowering visualization habit of mine, but there is nothing wrong with that. However in live music settings sometimes it seems to have perked up the performers a bit, I don't have confirmation yet though. (In live music settings there is an energy flow between band and audience who send even more back to the band if all is well. Before you can attempt to direct this energy [and be directed by it] you should be able to feel this flow. Exposure to a lot of live music helps awaken this capability, although recorded music may be of some benefit as well.) And of course in terms of physics it is not energy but a seed, a tuning, a resonance, a path for energy, an opening of the middle ear. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:552 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:39:28 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:552 Subject: off-topic: Tara McLean + no moan, eh (gnome on a, no Mona[sh]) Yesterday I said I would report back on the Gastown Music Hall concert by Tara McLean, Nettwerk's newest signee (may not be on the web page yet). Well, I kind of relaxed, ate well (spicy), showered well, and circumstances (I went to the trouble of ironing a shirt only to find two buttons missing from an old party or something, spent 10 minutes fixing that, then the stupid bus went early so I was delayed another 10 minutes) detained me so I didn't arrive until 12:20 a.m. Thus I missed Tara McLean, but caught the headliners, No Mona, and they have improved a lot since the last time I heard them, upbeat rock tinged with some blues and funk, strong woman lead singer (also a strong bass player) with a voice somewhere in between Melissa Etheridge and Alannah Myles in the spectrum, some good back up vocals and guitar work, and a hot drummer. Those who left after Tara McLean finished missed a good set. My only complaints was that the vocals were in a range such that they were sometimes swamped out by the guitars and high end of the bass, so I couldn't make out the lyrics enough to sing allong internally. I think that can be fixed by adjusting the respective effects and EQs of the voice and instruments slightly, without touching the volume much if at all, and have some ideas on that. So I was a bit disappointed to find that Tara had pulled a Jewel-type concert on me without specifying that in the ads, but the evening was not a disaster. Also The Gastown Music Hall is not a bad venue, though more suited to groups, it has lots of old bricks/wood, high ceilings and good ventilation so that the smoke doesn't get too dense, and not bad sound although I thought the mains could be a touch wider, lower and angled slightly differently, but that is not my forte. Also it wasn't too loud to socialize, but loud enough to dance. And I will try to catch Ms. McLean (or is it MacLean, I know it is not McClean as I miss-spelled it in the anniversary concert review, since few get born from parents who don't get down and dirty at some point, unless you like test tubes or turkey basters, dirty technology) the next time she is properly advertised. For the rest of you, in my anniversary concert review I said that she was good and to buy her CD. But it is a pity that I didn't hear her last night since the words seem to be flowing cleanly today, and "this ain't the kind that always lasts", though I would rather it turn to a trickle rather than a torrent of weirdness such as my big post of early January. Oh, I ran today, in the rain, drenched at 8 a.m., followed by an hour of misc exercises and yoga, breakfast, shower, over three hours from wake time to login time, and have my sneakers off now, and the most comfey work carrel. But I did get only 4 hours sleep so tonight must be an early night, no posts from me after 5:30 p.m., and no caffeine today after the breakfast pint of tea. If sleep is really short tonight I may up the lithium from 3 to 4 or more for a few days, so send me a lullaby at midnight. David D. p.s. Why do openers sometimes wear berets? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:553 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:47:44 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:553 Subject: BST: ol' 55 phone number Here's a short one: speaking of LPs, my first and permanent phone number is 3378 and the second one (when I stayed at my sister Mary's place for my first year undergrad) ends in 5569 (One reason I'm leaving today at 5:20 is to get home early enough to return her machine message, Newfoundland is 280 minutes later in time, so I guess if you smooth the boundaries, the new oil discovery (near where I did some field work in the summer of 1983) is 10e minutes later. OK, now to do some wrok. David Message fte:554 - Sent Send-date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:49:30 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:554 Subject: BST: ol' 55 phone number (addendum) Oh, regarding the vinyl, 45 cropped up a lot in important friends' numbers way back when (and still). DD Message fte:555 - Read Delivery-date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:28:33 UTC-0700 Originator: C=;ADMD=;DD.="Thu Jul 27 12:04:38 1995" Send-date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 14:34:26 UTC-0400 From: Authorizing-Users: Chris French To: Sarah McLachlan List Message-ID: <199507271834.OAA89281@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> Subject: My one metaphysical rambling >X-Mailer: PENELM [version 2.3.1 PL11] >Precedence: bulk Im not prone to send metaphysical ramblings to the list, but I was wondering if anyone had any thoughs to offer on the following. I recall seeing Sarah in concert, gently waving her hands in front of her. I noticed that this is very similar to a Taiji/Qigong technique of moving one's energy from the (primary) abdominal center, to "equilibrate" intense emotion/"energy" about the rest of the body. Does anyone think that Sarah might have stumbled on this ancient, Asian technique by accident, or is it simply a way of keeping one's hands busy? ______________________________________________________________ Chris French, University of Virginia, Chemistry Dept )O( http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~crf8a/home.html "Just saying it could even make it happen" - Kate Bush Message fte:556 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 21:16:09 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507270611.AA108535512@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Message-ID: fte:556 Subject: 32, red fox, rob roy (was Re: BST: ol' 55...) Arnold wrote: >Well, the number 32 has seemed to follow me everywhere this past year. 3+2=5 and 32=2^5 so 32 is equivalent to 55! :-) I got several duplicates today (two copies in separate messages) so maybe the move from listserv to majordomo wasn't entirely a success. But I think the problem is probably with the mail nodes. >"I knew you wanted to tell me, > In your voice there was something wrong. > But if you would turn your face away from me, > You cannot tell me you're so strong." > > -- S. McLachlan Perhaps it means that the neck needs a massage or ears need nibbling? Or well, it is hard not to turn an ear to Sarah, but I guess if you want stereo sound it is best to look straight on (as Heart say) and just cock your ears like a red fox. Last night after supper I napped for an hour or so, woke up at 8:55 (oh, really it was 8:56), said "what's on at The Hollywood" and went off to catch Rob Roy, I missed Circle of Friends though. Rob Roy (and soundtrack) was good, as a convincing actor Jessica Lange fooled me the most, with the rest (especially the villains) I could tell they were playing. So maybe movies wouldn't disturb me as much as the news can sometimes. At first the MacDonald guy looked familiar for some reason (a bit like fiddler Victor Smith, maybe). Oh, and maybe I will let my hair go a bit more. After though I slept for nearly 12 hours total, made up for the night before, I think someone hit me with the lullaby at noon instead of midnight. I just read in Thursday's Globe and Mail that George Bush nearly got sucked into a bog in Newfoundland, that would have been a big fish, but luckily he got away. David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:557 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 21:47:36 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507271834.OAA89281@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> Message-ID: fte:557 Subject: Sarah's flippers (was Re:My one metaphysical rambling) Chris French wrote: >Im not prone to send metaphysical ramblings to the list, but I >was wondering if anyone had any thoughs to offer on the >following. I recall seeing Sarah in concert, gently waving her >hands in front of her. I haven't heard her up close in a long time, but I vaguely remember something of the sort, like a dolphin or seal moving it's flippers, swimming through the sea of sound. :-) >I noticed that this is very similar to >a Taiji/Qigong technique of moving one's energy from the >(primary) abdominal center, to "equilibrate" intense >emotion/"energy" about the rest of the body. Yes, or of collecting energy from the crowd response, or keeping linked with both the crowd and the band members and sound techs, but I think part of it is for timing, and partly to keep moving a bit in any breaks so you don't lose your momentum. And her hand gestures are a way of conveying emotional expression, along with the eyebrow gymnastics, flashing eyes, radiant smiles and stomping boots. >Does anyone think >that Sarah might have stumbled on this ancient, Asian technique >by accident, Yes, she might have, or the music might have led her to it. >or is it simply a way of keeping one's hands busy? Yes, it is that too, but we'll never know until one of us poses as an interviewer and asks all the list questions. When she does this, are her hands to her side, or centred in the solar plexus area, and are her arms straight or bent in a hug curve only tilted, and are her fingers spread or together, straight or curled a bit, or all of the above (I bet). David p.s. does she play pinball (flipper ref) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:558 - Sent Send-date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:07:25 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HTDFBZR0SI00BK2F@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:558 Subject: Re:Sarah McLachlan/Chieftains Indianapolis July 26 John Shepard wrote: >(What did Little Red Riding Hood say to the giant squid?) "Which one is the middle leg?" >On the last stretch of road, hwy 69, Really? >Hard to believe, but I actually remember a time when I _wanted_ >Sarah to be big and popular. Like Rita McNeil? >Getting parked, in all honesty, wasn't that >bad, although the walk to the pavillion was more than I'm used >to. (I spend all day in front of a computer, sitting on my ass, >remember? :> ) Then check out some good local acts and do some late night dancing and thereby get in shape and possibly find parking more fun. Hell, if I can lose 4kg in 7days simply by reducing my lithium, avoiding beer, exercising a bit, and eating pretty much the same, so can you. (I dropped from 83kg to 79kg since last Thursday, although some of that is fluid retention loss.) >casually telling Lane, "Some guy came to me and said 'I am the >Squid,' any idea what he was talking about?" "I am the walrus, couscous-que-choux, I am an egg, I am a fool on the hill in the octopus's garden, don't believe in..." But seriously, if someone came up to me and said "I am the squid", then he would have to be able to dance the jig really well, or else must waste a lot of ink. >That was, in any case, the closest physical proximity I've ever >been to a member of Sarah's band, for whatever that is worth in >the general scheme of the universe. But in terms of the universe, it is all relative, in concert they make you feel like you are in their living room at times. And are you sure you haven't played hacky-sack with Sarah? >I gave up paying attention to Ron. Instead, I found myself >watching a silvery shape moving in the darkness just behind the >left stage curtain: someone in a silver dress dancing ethereally >to the music. So she must like him, and I respect her opinion more than yours, and will thus give hime am unbiased listen someday. >And needless to say, the woman >in silver is still dancing back there, up until Ron's last song. Crazy about the mercury? >Sarah came out wearing - small wonder - a silver dress, the same >one she wore last summer when I saw her in Cincinnati, the same >one she wore on Conan O'Brian. Her hair was done in the usual >style, no braids or ponytails or such. She was wearing sandals, Does she paint her toenails red? >instead of the boots she seems to wear virtually everywhere >these days (can you tell I don't like the boots?). Boots are better for jigging in than sandals. > the new version of "Path of Thorns", after three years, I'm >finally beginning to like the song. Am I going nuts, or did >anyone else, upon hearing the "Doots," have to shut off that >voice in their head wanting to add "Hey babe, take a walk on the >wild side"? Really? Although I know that's a relationship song, it sort of fit (along with Drawn to the Rhythm and Into the Fire) with the stuff I did on Sept. 5/6, 1991 in terms of the thorns. The rest of the album had relevance for the long hours of the night and the bleakness of the morning of Sept. 6, 1991. >"Mary" was the expected jam, with extended solos and >exhibitionism from the band, including Sarah and David rubbing >their butts together (have we seen enough proof that Sarah and >David are the item?). Was it a side bump, or a back to back bump, and did Ash do a drum roll in time with it? And can David dance a jig? (This one can't too well, but has fun trying, at least once a year.) >"Elsewhere" the intro was both fascinating and amusing. She >described taking too much Contac, plus some codeine and Tylenol, >and then having what she called an "out of body experience," and >she said to herself, "I haven't felt this good in a long time!" Let me second that! (But not the same way as I said it on Sept. 4, 1991 to my supervisor, two days before I ended up on the psych ward for five weeks. Highs must be anchored or rooted, to keep you from going off the edge.) >besides the Contac. Having experienced this many times myself, >with no chemicals, I can tell her staying awake for 42 hours >will do it, But looks what a few of those from 1983 to 1991 did to me in the last four years (including two 60 hour ones, in Apr1985 and May1991), and beware! Right now I would never do an all-nighter, or at worst stay up all night at a party, go for brunch, then get at least 4 hours sleep and catch up the next night, as I did last night. >as will a sugar high if you're not used to it, or >basically lying alone on the threshold between wake and sleep, >where the chemicals in your mind that produce dreams are already >being made, and gravity begins to lose its grip on you. Or partying with someone who is high, and allowing the contagious effect or the "laying on of hands" effect to work. (Ecstatic dancing after your usual bedtime can do things too.) >She comes back out and does "Good Enough." I nearly laughed >myself out of my seat when I realized my self-fulfilling >prophecy: the only really forgettable song Sarah's ever done, in >my opinion, It is a simple but moving song, and is not forgettable at all. (Besides, a song that would be forgettable if sung by me is definitely not forgettable when sung by Sarah.) >They did "Cotton Eyed Joe," and during it, several audience >members actually stood up and danced at their seats. I wanted >to, but didn't have the backbone (nor does any squid). You didn't want to block the view of those behind you, right? >They brought out a guy from Spain who plays a Spanish variant of >bagpipes. That guy was proof that everyone is Irish. Is that the guy in La Musgana? And John, Ireland is just one part of the celtic world --- Scotland, Wales, Brittany, Galicia in Spain, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland, Ottawa Valley, and lots of other enclaves are also cletic. >power, sending flames and sparks shooting off the bow, but >halfway through his song, he started to jig! And good too. Ashley MacIsaac. Are you sure it was a jig (a jig is one type of tune, there are also reels, hornpipes, polkas, scottiches, mazurkas, etc), so stepdance is the better term. >show to shame. Watching that fiddler nearly get run over by the >jigdancers; watching various members of the supergroup take >solos; watching members of the audience (including some squid- >looking fellow) actually get up and dance like fools; watching >Sarah onstage also attempt (and fail) to dance a jig. She hooked you, didn't she, on the squid-jigging grounds? Also it is hard to dance with sandals since they don't make the proper thunk/bounce with the floor. But I never did see her at the ceilis at the W.I.S.E., though I haven't been to one in a couple of years myself. >At one point, I notice she's doing many of the same >moves I am, and I finally realize that, since I haven't had any >dancing skills in years, I've basically learned to dance by >watching her. Difference is, she looks beautiful when she screws >up dancing, while I just look like an idiot, which I do all the >time anyway. All eyes are on stage anyway, so as long as you are having fun, just give 'er, or watch the irish dancers instead of sarah, hard as that would be I know. >Questions list: > o Who was the lurker from the list I met at the multimedia >tent? > o When that guy gave something to Sarah and she held his hand, >what did he give her? The bodhran tipper? A dropped guitar pick? A Contac C? > o Was Sarah aware we could see her dancing? Oh, she was doing Nova Scotia style dancing? > o Who was that person who screamed as if in pain? The sound tech. > o Is Ticketmaster now a Coca-Cola distributor? No, they wouldn't be able to add enough surcharge. > o What were those spinning yellow things on stage? Fluorescent sunflowers. > o What was with the skylights? Were they trying to signal >Batman? Since it was Deer Creek, they were hoping for the arrival of the horned stag god and the moon goddess, or at least a moth to rival the big one that was mentioned on Cassiopel. Oh, and I deleted the bit about you getting withdrawal symptoms for Sarah during her upcoming tour break, but there are lots of other good acts out there for you to discover and support. (Although of course she's the best there is.) And if you have trouble posting it to the newsgroup then let me know and I'll pass it on, or if you want to abbreviate it a bit and make the stuff about Sarah more complimentary (i.e., you were rating it against lots of previous shows, but if you were describing it to people who hadn't heard her before, how would you describe it?) then I'll pass it on to rec.music.celtic too. :-) David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:559 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:54:46 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507281913.AA15735@tyrell.net> Message-ID: fte:559 Subject: Re: Sarah show in St.Louis This is partly a test to see if the list is down for repairs after the duplication. (I got two full duplicate, one truncated duplicate and an error message from my post of last night, and fewer messages than usual today.) Stephen Sigourney wrote: >Just got back from her show last night in St. Louis, was great as usual She musn't be mortal, I've never heard her do a bad show either. >so I won't spoil it for anyone else with major details But those of us who aren't on the tour route wouldn't mind them, so you could use the old ^L approach, or rot13 encoding, or uuencoding. >Before the show I bumped into Zzephyr (aka Bryan Scott >Johnson) who got me tickets for the last show here in March. This was going >to be his 4th show of hers in 4 nights!!!! Did he bring milkshakes for Dave K. every night? >I asked (again) about the video compilation and she said >they are shooting for a September release for Fan Club members and November >for the stores (in Canada). Yeah, right, I've heard that one before. What year? :-) >Anyway, a few show comments. I have to admit, I had great seats. Second >row, dead center. Riverport is really cool, an outdoor theater but the >reserved seats are covered! That is new to me atleast. Sarah came out at >about 8:40, commented on the beautiful sunset, and started her set. >Contrary to what John said about Deer Creek, I thought the sound at this >place was excellent. Sarah's voice also, to me atleast, was perfect I think John needs the equivalent of that lower flushing therapy done on his ears, to get out the woolly bear caterpillars (which turn into tiger moths, according to CBC Almanac today). Or maybe she had a nip of the old "foggy dew" before Deer Creek, or the air is more polluted there from all the sportscars on Highway 69. >although this being only my second show I was a little bit overwhelmed by it >all. Also, she didn't look tired to me either as some have commented. When >she stood at the microphone at the front of the stage, close enough to >almost touch it seemed, with the spotlight on her she seemed to shine, >radiate, exude a warmth and sparkle. Did she have the same silver dress on? That might explain the sparkle? Or if you don't wash your hair for a week sometimes fluorescent organisms take hold. But seriously, I think it is related to the magnetic field interacting with her aura and twinkling in your peripheral vison. (I know, that doesn't make sense.) >The only bad thing was a certain fan who seemed to be a little, shall we >say, excessive? Perhaps obsessive is a better word. >He threw a rose on stage, everyone "ahhhh"ed, and she picked >it up and said "Thank You" He then proceeded to try to talk to her (this was >during her set) and said he was the one that wrote a letter to her earlier. Maybe if he'd said that earlier she would have stomped on the rose, kicked it back at him like a hackysack, and motioned for security to give him the old bear hug. She's too nice for her own good. >He later yelled several times interupting her stories between songs, and >threw another rose. Did she stomp on that one? Was it purple-ish? >But the scary part was at the end of the show, the >whole gang was taking a bow, and this guy and a bunch of others were up >against the fence by the stage. At one of the Chieftain's dancer's >prompting, she walked to the edge of the stage, crouched down and let some >of the crowd touch and shake her hand. What, has she taken too much Contac-C? We all want her to stay healthy and happy for years to come and produce lots of good music for us to buy, not offer her fingers as souvenirs to celtic head-hunting mosh-pitters. She should have just extended her boot for licking. >Mind you, she was leaning over the >edge of the stage (across the space between the stage and the fence) to >reach them, and these people were grabbing at her! The dancer realized they >were getting a little wild and pulled her back and walked off with her. Not >to be an alarmist but if one person had actually grabbed her hand and not >just touched it, she was going to go head first off the stage. The only >reason I mention this is being on the second row, as this happened she had a >startled/shocked look in her eyes, like "what am I doing?". Kinda scary. What next, dancing with the audience like the guy in The Oyster Band or Rory MacLeod? I bet she won't do that again (the laying on of hands like the queen or Diana or the pope blessing the multitudes). But it does sound scary, I'm glad she is A-OK, and wish she was safely back in Canada rather than in the wild jungle of the south. I mean, if 10,000 people try to hug you at the same time there won't be anything left but pate' so it is better to hug by clapping. What next, throwing panties like Tom Jones and tank tops like Mick Jagger? (She could throw hacky sacks, from her collection.) David D. p.s. I was slow this morning, one "bad" side effect of getting healthy by exercise/etc seems to be that I am even more sensitive to second hand smoke, so that although I spent just over an hour last night at The Railway listening to a half decent band (Middlesex), much of it near an open window, this morning my tongue tasted like an old boot and my red rugby shirt stank like an ashtray, and my energy level was down. So in future I may have to go for a walk on the beach (or some other exercise)to clear the lungs after going out instead of crashing right away with gunk inside, or slant my entertainment budget back towards folk clubs and cafes a bit, although I may catch Dobb and Dumela on Saturday and Grrrrls with Guitars Monday to test it out. Maybe the Thursday crowd smokes more, or maybe my exercise-charged aura is drawing more smoke. Do any of Sarah's band members smoke, besides in their music? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:560 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:32:16 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <9507282216.AA28018@uu10.psi.com> Message-ID: fte:560 Subject: Re:HEY MR. SQUID.... larry_davis@gbinc.com penned: >And her band is on both of Mae Moore's CD's, and Lava Hay's only disc Some of them also guest on Danielle French's new CD, which I bet is very good (I will buy a copy soon, I promise) since she is great live, a high, clear distinctive voice with emotional delivery, good stage humour, thought-provoking lyrics. And I have done sound for her a few times at my open mic and at paying gigs, although the last couple of times I heard her someone else was doing sound and I managed to sit back and relax and listen a bit more, and was blown away. I was glad to see that she was featured in The Georgia Straight's Local Motion column Thursday, but sad to hear that Calgary will steal her away from Vancouver in the fall. If you want the CD I can get ordering details, but it might be in A&B Sound's Indie Street section at (800) 663 0596. Oh, I can feel a CD-buying binge coming on now, but just know that will leave me broke and then my player will die for good. But tomorrow Nettshop have all Sarah CDs on for CAN$10 so maybe I will replace my "slightly damaged" copy of Touch, also Sarah sunburst summer tank tops are on special so maybe I will make one my first ever band shirt. (I have bought a few venue shirts but no band shirts yet, and lots of bands have given me recordings but no shirts, since shirts don't result in gigs as often.) Maybe I'll do the double bridge jog and show up at Nettwerk all sweaty and out of breath, then jog back suitably attired. (No, I really want to jog before rush hour, and probably should avoid the Sarah temple, but who knows?) Oooh, I suddenly want some of Kilimanjaro's spicy squid! (But maybe I will semi-duplicate it at home Saturday, the old squid-tomato-red wine-cilantro-garlic-cayenne-etc on rice or pasta, but wait, Australian e-friends are in town, and fireworks are on, so...) David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:561 - Sent Send-date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:53:13 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:561 Subject: BST: rob roy and scottish clans I glanced at the alt.scottish.clans Clan/Surname FAQ and there is no mention of McLachlan, but according to it I could apply for membership in the American Clan Gregor Society since my maternal grandmother was Mary Walker, and Walker is in the American Clan Gregor Society list though not the main Clan Gregor Scoiety list. But I still think I have more Irish (Irish, Anglo-Irish, travvelling Irish) and some Channel Island/Breton/French. But from my fuzzy recollections of my readings, I think McLachlan (and McKenzie) is an Irish name, that they originated in Ireland, and made a brief stop in Scotland before coming over here. Anybody know for sure? But anyway, from the movie, Mary MacGregor was one tough woman. And I wonder how John and Phil felt about the Cunningham portrayal. (In real life, there are more shades of grey, not black and white.) (usually) David D. p.s. here is a post on spellings from last November, which seems to indicate that it is an Irish name, so she is 'rish on one side anyway. Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,alt.scottish.clans From: Danny@dannymcl.demon.co.uk (Danny McLaughlin) Subject: Re: McLachlan info wanted Reply-To: Danny@dannymcl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:00:33 +0000 SOME INTERESTING/USELESS INFORMATION I am a McLaughlin which is the common spelling of the name in Derry/Donegal In the south they spell it McLoughlin. These are both apparent Anglicisations from the Gaelic Mac Lochlainn. I believe the name means something like the Scandinavians - can't find my references on this at present. McLaughlin seems to be one of those names that causes lots of people spelling problems. A few years ago before its abolition, the Greater London Council's Police Committee produced a report about Police and Computers and checks on the public by officers on the street. McLaughlin was used as an example of the problems an officer might have in correctly spelling a name over the radio in order to do an effective identity check. As an example, the London Residential Phone Book includes the following variations all of which appear to be or could be derivations:- McCaughan, McCaughin, McCloughlin, McGlaughlan. McGlaughlin, McGlouchlin, McGloughlin, Macklin (Charles Macklin, a Victorian actor changed his name from McLaughlin), McLachlan, MacLachlan, McLacklin, McLauchlan, McLaughin, McLaughlan, McLaughlin, MacLaughlin, MacLauglan, McLauglin, McLoughin, McLoughlan, McLoughlin, MacLoughlin. Message fte:562 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:46:34 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507290721.DAA15966@hTSO01.Cin.IX.net> Message-ID: fte:562 Subject: Re: Sarah covering U2?? yub wrote: >I just read on another list that some U2 fans were thinking about who would >cover U2's songs on a U2 cover album, and Sarah came up. One and with or >without you were the ones suggested. does anyone else have any ideas? >I vote for running to standstill or Bad. I like the one that goes "reach out and touch the flame", which I think is "Where the Streets have no Name", but the only U2 I have is a Rattle and Hum tape. Anyway, it is another good campfire song, where fire is hotter the closer you get, if you allow it. Or I guess it could be indoors candle magic and the streets of the body, speaking of which my hands have been as cold as ice cream for the last 24 hours, someone has my fire! David D. Message fte:563 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:47:32 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <199507291641.MAA00591@io.org> Message-ID: fte:563 Subject: Re:Assorted rants Kevin Belzebub wrote: >I think a good hiatus from listening to Sarah was a good thing. That may be true for you, but I think it is better to do a "crop rotation" approach (do a hiatus on one album, as I have on Touch due to an unfortunate candle accident that split Touch in two) or "tapering off" approach, so drop down low on your listening for a while and then bring it back up. Or you may be right, e.g., sometimes after a layoff I find I play better pool or badminton on my return, the same may be true for sex; but if the layoff is too long then you run the risk of getting too rusty, plus this return phenomenom might be a repeat case of beginner's luck, which usually fades. >I put on my >copy of Solace late last night (this morning?) and just let myself get >immersed in her sound (always a good way to listen). Do you listen in the tub? That can be a Shocking experience! (Actually I have an old ghetto blaster in there, but no outlet, and run it on batteries, which run out fast if I use tapes, medium if I have it on FM, slowest if on AM, so I usually leave it on CBC AM or off for relaxing.) >When do you folks find >is the best time to listen to Sarah? Oh, whenever she wants me to. :-) Actually, I have listened to her at any time of the day: over breakfast, occasionally in the shower (does she sing in the shower?), tanning on grass, on the beach, at the terminal, live (best), at night in and out of bed, in my dreams, although I don't really play her stuff TOO much, and I guess night has the edge overall. >I find I can only fully appreciate an >album like Solace during the dead of night, for quiet contemplation. Some of it is energy-building as well, some is suitable to listen to before or during a daytime or nighttime walk and picnic on the beach or in the woods. Also if you have neighbours and don't like to wear headphones (hard to stand on your head like that anyway) it is easier to crank the stereo up during "normal" hours, e.g., while cooking. > I suppose the ideal setting for >seeing Sarah would be in your house, acoustic guitar and piano, sitting in >your living room and singing quiet songs of yearning at 1 in the morning. I doubt she does her own old songs much in such a setting, probably more upbeat jam tunes, favourite covers, (ol '55, fever, st jaimes infirMary, all along the watchTower, loads more) and working versions of new songs for feedback, or perhaps she needs gloomy solitude for new songs. And one would hope she would talk a bit too, or instead. And isn't 1 a.m. a bit early, in Ol'55 terms that doesn't allow time for the walk on the beach and chocolate fix at a 24-hour place and morning star viewing pre-dawn (now I'll have to check Star and Telescope to see what Venus is doing). ... OK, I did, and Venus is hidden behind the Sun, undergoing superior conjunction on Aug. 20, Mars is visible as a twilight star, the real show is Saturn's rings, Arcturus, and Sagitarius the teapot. According to the magazine, this coming month is the best time to catch Saturn for the next four decades. Maybe I will have to swing by the UBC observatory (upstairs) some Saturday night. >That's another thing that strikes me as funny about the concert experience - >it is hard to get "pumped up" about songs which are the antithesis of the >jovial concert atmosphere. I mean, what are you supposed to say? "All >right, she's playing `Lost'! Rock!!!" Maybe "come together, right now, over" her music, or maybe under in this case, as she pushes you into the "spring loaded cannon of emotion" :-) in preparation for the more positive song to follow, roc ka-boom! >I recall somebody talking about >turning `Possession' (and Mary, for that matter) into rollicking >free-for-all musical jams, and how it strikes a vivid contrast to the innate >introspectiveness of these songs. I think her music is one of the best >stimuli for contemplation that I can envision, but that gets lost (ha ha) in >the concert atmosphere. But if you have already contemplated on the CD enough then the contemplation bit becomes automatic and then you can just cut loose and dance or whatever, let the old river of energy braid around a bit without too much concentration. And the crowd energy and live band energy raises it to a new level. >Of course, it is made up for by the fact that Sarah >is quite tangibly there. :) (Even if she is repeating the same old shit. Is she? I bet she has to pinch herself sometimes to (hip) check. Also that reminds me of Tang crystals and tangerine dreams. Also my online webster gives one definition for tangible as "Something palpable or concrete." and then a defintion palp n. Zool. "An elongated sensory organ, usually near the mouth, in invertebrate organisms such as mollusks, crustaceans, and insects." and according to Sky and Telescope insect constellations are in this month too. Also the palp definition reminds me of that Kiss singer (Oh Henry?). >job for "Grace, too". Try it out sometime. What do you guys think about >Sarah on the next Roadside Attraction tour? Methinks that would be a hell >of a good show. Maybe the one after next would be better if a new recording is ever to come out, unless we want a "Texas Campfire Tapes" style "Roadkill Live" CD. >Well, that's it for now...actually, does anyone here hear a bit of Rush in >"Home"? Maybe I am just nuts, but I make the weirdest connections. Rush Home dear, and pick up some bagels on the way? "green grow the rushes oh" "oh the rushing river" "your love is better than eyes carom" [lie's carom] "your love is better than hair scrum" [nice crimp] "your love is batter, tonight's dream" etc David (I was going to be serious today, and demonstrate my truly refined writing skills, but Kevin made me laugh.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:564 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:14:51 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HTFWC13C0200CSXS@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:564 Subject: Re:U2, some Deer Creek recovery, etc. John Shepard wrote: >It did happen, btw; she's almost a household name. I meet total >strangers now who recognize the signatures on my shirts and ask >at which show I saw her. Playing big venues is part of that >success. And while I'm at it, I should mention that although >Deer Creek did have its Sarah-cheering-section, and several of >us wearing Sarah shirts, my estimate is that the bulk of the >people there were there to see the Chieftains. Aha, but now that they have heard her once, the next time she plays Deer Creek they will come back. >gray blanket before me for some signs of the road, I kept >thinking about how it was better to die neath an Irish sky. "showers of hair, come tumbling down... you are like a hurricane" (Maybe the hurricane will leave the concert relatively safe.) >cells at all, you still carry the fundamental things which make >us all Irish: love of music, love of people, and of course, the >occasional hankering for some dark liquid in a tall glass. :-) Not all Irish people drink, and some like amber stuff in a short glass (for me, water from the well under the apple tree next to the river would be good right now, but that looks unlikely before Christmas). Some home fries would go down well though, but I think it will be refried bean burritos, rice and broccoli and carrots later tonight at Bel Aire apt3, bet they don't have that at Taco Belle. >Nuther item: I may have made a new friend today. She's short, >she's goofy, she speaks at about twice the normal rate of human >speech, But I hope she breathes at the normal rate or depth (i.e., like a musician, takes a good breath every so often), else she might drive you crazy. But such people make good morning alarms, and maybe even breakfast. >she points out that all my artwork is "neo-gothic with >women dressed as scantily-clad monks", and she knows I'm >ticklish. But does she know where? And today I returned a "fun in the sun" comment with "fuzz in the nun" in some live wordplay. >She showed up on campus this morning for an >orientation, and how she got latched onto me, I don't know, but >now I'm beating my head against a wall trying to figure out what >bad things are going to have to happen to me next week to >balance this out. Think positive, and invite her to the Denver show and go on a big road trip, the true test of relationships, like Thelma and Louise. Does she like Sarah? >And I've added several new drawings to the art gallery on my >homepage. They're JPEGs (by popular demand) and they're fresh, DO you have them as separate grabbable images with small inlines rather than one big long thing with big ungrabbable inlines as before (I think I used xgrab to get one of the Sarah video clips)? >And beyond all this, I'm writing again in what little free >time I've found this weekend. I'd like to go to Bloomington >tomorrow, if the weather weren't in the 95+ range. And most >important, I've started eating again. Like any good concert, I >was depressed and without appetite for some time after Deer >Creek. Huh? Sarah concerts always leave me feeling uplifted, and usually hungry, since the intense concert experience does take some energy that needs immediate replenishing unless it is an outdoor concert to which I have taken a well-stocked picnic for one, or maybe some special cookies for bait. David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:565 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:27:09 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <01HTFY3RB0G400CSXS@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Message-ID: fte:565 Subject: Re:HEY MR. SQUID.... Squid wrote: >you didn't expect. "Good Enough" acoustic? Nah, been there done >that. "Stayin' Alive" on a fiddle? Whoa! You should hear PaperBoys (and Barney Bentall) fiddler Moritz Behm do his version of "Purple Haze", then (or was it another oft-requested rock tune). Speaking of that, on FS Ol'55 I sometimes hear "freebird" or "free words" for the "freeways". Hey, I haven't properly mislyric-ed that one yet, or Foggy Dew. >As Rolling Stone thought _Freedom Sessions_ should rightly have >been called _Sarah McLachlan: Further Unplugged_. Well, if it was "Further Unplugged on a Chair in the Kitchen", maybe. (Maybe you can think of better FU__ acronym expansions?) David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:566 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:54:36 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: <950730172232_126443018@aol.com> Message-ID: fte:566 Subject: Re: Wet Tour II Lois wrote: >I have been extremely concerned about the tropical storm brewing in the Gulf >of Mexico. My biggest fear was that the storm was originally expected to hit >land about Monday....My Sarah concert is Tuesday and I would have died if the >weather ruined that! What's the storm called? >I stood in my usual relaxing pier spot today and the winds and waves are >severe - but awesome. The biggest peace in nature is standing alone next to >the ocean and watching it. Yeah, it can be very exhilarating, the powerful flow of charged air past you, the bassy roar of the wind and the waves. Some of the strongest winds I have experienced were in St. John's, Newfoundland on Jan. 6, 1994 (and the wee hours of Jan. 7), you had to lean very far into them, and one six story university building I was in had a noticeable sway. Around 2 a.m. that night I let the winds blow me up Signal Hill (where Marconi did his broadcast from), went behind Cabot Tower and gazed out across the grey Atlantic towards Belle Isle and towards Ireland, and luckily was not high enough or foolish enough to climb down, but turned around, and then, just for a few second, after blowing all day, the wind turned around and blew me down towards Deadman's Pond, before resuming it's normal direction. Then the next day was calm, at night, out of town, there was a bowl of crystal clear stars, holy night, and the next night another storm rolled in, after a session I went for a stroll around Quidi Vidi (qui divida, qui reunita?) Lake in the storm, protected by the inner fire. That high (which included two musical sessions where I could really feel the energy flow, one at Bridgett's and one at The Captain's Quarters), for the four nights of Jan. 5--8 was the nicest one I have had, I got at least 4 hours sleep each night and was acting normal during the day and mostly normal in my interaction with others at night. On Jan. 9 it dipped a bit, then on the morning of Jan. 10 I flew back to Vancouver, where it faded although I had one good beach experience where I cast my jade sphere into the ocean (or that might have been another time), and one shakier experience where I took a wrong turn and got lost in a railway (Grandview) cut, dead river wanting life, and had to climb out over some thorns (but fully dressed, and just a short climb). >Lots of peace, love and salt water sprays, Ooooohhhhhhh! And you too! May the wake of the hurricane leave peaceful, sunny, clean air and good energy for your Sarah concert on Tuesday! David D. p.s. Last night for the first time I met in person someone I have first met through a mailing list, two pendulum members from Perth who have been travelling around the northern hemisphere for four months, and who were leaving to go back to Perth on Monday. All in all, it wasn't too painful. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:567 - Sent Send-date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:51:05 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: , In-Reply-To: <199507290419.AAA13519@io.org> Message-ID: fte:567 Subject: BST: lithium, cod liver oil, & stepdancing (was Re: S...) Kevein D. wrote: >At 11:07 PM 7/27/95 UTC-0700, David Dalton wrote: >John Shepard wrote: >>>Sarah onstage also attempt (and fail) to dance a jig. >>She hooked you, didn't she, on the squid-jigging grounds? >>Also it is hard to dance with sandals since they don't >>make the proper thunk/bounce with the floor. But I never >>did see her at the ceilis at the W.I.S.E., though I haven't >>been to one in a couple of years myself. > HA!!! Not only a somewhat Celt from BC, but a Newfie as well! yes b'y, we have infilitrated the mainland and are now poised to take over, eh, >Ah, the plot thickens, my lithium-sniffing friend... Thicker than my seafood chowder, smoething smells wonderful (but not lithium, unless it affects my smeel and taste). > It sounds like you have spent a great amount of time practicing >these various dances. Au cont raire, my fine feathered friend, but I have allowed groups of more qualified dancers to fling me hither and yon on occasion, and occasional done the more free-form practice of jumping and stomping at the resonant frequency of Vancouver's Commodore dance floor, where lots of spare tires have been archived, for earthquake simulation purposes only. >(Is that your geology major's way of communing with >the earth?) Major? Me a major? Who wants to be a majorette, and get a near doctorate? No, geology was just a minor. But yes, it is like "knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door" and if you don't give it your best shot then you get swallowed up sooner. >Do you have more energy to dance these various routines during >equinoxes or solar flares? Sometimes, but then I may need more freeform spontaneity rather than routine, and in the last 3.8 years have been more restrained at such times (one factor in my biggest but not nicest first high was dancing and then for the year after I stupidly avoided it more than usual and that became a habit, not that I was ever a dance fanatic). But I just started running regularly for the first time since the end of the summer of 1987, so maybe there is hope, although my partner will be able to feel superior. >(Perhaps, you know: changes in electromagnetic >radiation may affect your ability to bounce et al.) caught 'tween earth and sky, oscillating figure of joy, the band plays you, song yes, when you have a scuff the changes in the earth's magnetic field and in low frequency EM pulses and the humidity of the air and the fire in your partner's eyes all interact, sparks flying off the shoes or toes in preferential directions >>> o When that guy gave something to Sarah and she held his hand, >>>what did he give her? >> >>The bodhran tipper? A dropped guitar pick? A Contac C? > >It was obviously a codfish! But then again, there are not many of those on >the squid-jigging grounds nowadays. Maybe a baby turbot... But it could have been a fossilized salt cod, suitable for fish and brewis, but rather odiferous in heat. Did she sniff it? Or maybe he was a representative for Codomania and gave her a free Trojan. And cod liver oil ("doctor, oh doctor, oh dear doctor john, your cod liver oil is so pure and so strong...my wife can't get enough of your cod liver oil") has lots of vitamin D; I have some in my fridge that I sniff whenever I feel something might come on, that way I scare myself into not getting sick. >"Your love is better than codfish" "Your love is better than coed fish" >"Everyone has their breaking point/With me it's spiders...with you it's me" "Little miss muffet, sat on a tuffet, eating her curds and whey, along came a spider, and sat down beside her..." (how does it end?) >"My ship isn't coming and I just can't pretend" "Then settle for a good dory, and pret ent". David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:568 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:33:33 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: fte:568 Subject: Re:Assorted rants Jason wrote: >David Dalton rambled: >> Or you may >>be right, e.g., sometimes after a layoff I find I play better >>pool or badminton on my return, the same may be true for >>sex; but if the layoff is too long then you run the risk of >>getting too rusty, plus this return phenomenom might be >>a repeat case of beginner's luck, which usually fades. >am i the only one here that's thinkin', "okay, i now know waaaaay too much >about david's personal life..." (???) Oh, but the bit about sex wasn't about me, that was a generalization, I never kiss and tell. But I agree you all know way too much about me, especially the old-timers and those who may have skimmed the archives, so from now on my ramblings may be considered to be like songs, they aren't really about me, my real life persona is a bit different from my online one, and I don't tell all online, despite appearances. Even so, I once again vow to reduce the self-centredness of some of my posts, and return to the days of good word play and streams of ideas inspired by Sarah or whatever, plus the occasional boring on-topic post. So I won't tell you anything I wouldn't tell to complete strangers in a bar? That might be going overboard, clamming up, but maybe there is a happy medium. David -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:569 - Sent Send-date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:47:29 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: , In-Reply-To: <9507311550.AA17651@arnold> Message-ID: fte:569 Subject: Re:Set lists on this tour Scott O. wrote: > After following proceedings for a short while from afar, this is the > first time that I am posting on this list... Welcome, and maybe we should return to the old "introduction" practice, whereby new subscribers are invited to post an introduction, that would improve the sense of community. > I was a bit > disappointed by the set list, which struck me as very conservative -- > Crown of Thorns, one new song, Great, another new song, although it has the same title as track 7 on Figgy Duff's Downstream CD! Or do you mean Path of Thorns, and the usual Full of Grace new song? >and everything else was from FTE. Does > anyone know if this is a conscious effort to reach out to non-Sarah > fans (who comprised about 50 to 60 percent of the GSAC audience) and > get them to buy the album, or is she just finally sick of Solace and > other old material? Probably she had to cut down her set due to the format and in all conscience had to leave the recent release songs on, and had no room for older stuff. But if she did Path of Thorns then that is from Solace. Far more of the people coming to the concert would have FTE than Solace or Touch, and she was playing songs familiar to them. If she wanted to make a buck, she would have thrown in a song from Solace and one from Touch and said "hey, buy my old ones now too to tide you over the break, they are on sale outside for 12 bucks". David D. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Dalton - earth science student, music buff --- --- Message fte:570 - Sent Send-date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:59:31 UTC-0700 From: David Dalton To: Message-ID: fte:570 Subject: hiatus I have unsubscribed again, for an extended hiatus from the list, maybe even until the next full-length recording is released. Some minor corrections: in my old posts, replace "crane" with "great blue heron", they eat fish, whereas cranes do not, a friend told me. I usually would make a rainbow candle with a black velvet tube but the one I made in 85--86 was a pale red, with hints of white and pink and orange, black wick after burning, made by diluting a small red candle with lots more white wax. If it was a rainbow candle you make it by putting in successive layers of different colours, and for best effect tilting the tube between insertions. Also the April boat/milk bottle/thin candle renewal candle I made is burning very slowly, the wick in the thin candle isn't good enough, so I will have to melt it down and put in a thicker wick soon (but have no twine right now). Police cars in hot pursuit of a desperado don't use simple red flags, but lights that cycle, of course. (Is that like FM radio?) David