South and Central American native traditions

The fangs of the jaguar or serpent-jaguar combination are like the waning crescent and waxing crescent. Of course they have other interpretations as well.

I have little on this yet but have a book entitled People of the Jaguar at home and will scan that and also do more library and web research soon.

Some of the information in the section on Shamanism may be of interest. The descent to the underworld and ascent to the otherworld mentioned there can be induced by drugs (under guidance from a trained shaman) for some but for those like me for whom they happen spontaneously it is best to avoid them.

Jesus and Quetzalcoatl

This series I think refers to an original human figure Quetzalcoatl. He is mainly a Mexican figure but I think is also known in Central America so I have put this section in both the North American native parallels page and the Central and South American native parallels page.

Once I thumbed at random D.H. Lawrence's The Complete Poems and came out at a page with some poems relating Jesus and Quetzalcoatl, from the section Poems From the Plumed Serpent. On that page was the short poem

My name is Jesus, I am Mary's son,
I am coming home,
My mother the Moon is dark

Brother, Quetzalcoatl,
Hold back the wild hot sun.
Bind him with shadow while I pass.
Let me come home.

From that I interpret the dark moon as being new moon, so related to my waning crescent to new moon highs, and the hold back the wild hot sun to my sun stare of Sept. 5, 1991, 2.5 days before the exact time of new moon.

Some other relevant quotes from those poems are:

In the cave which is called Dark Eye
Behind the sun, looking through him as a window
Is the place. There the waters rise,
There the winds are born

Those last four lines are about Quetzalcoatl than Jesus though, but they again indicate to me my sun stare and in it the tunneling beyond the sun.

Some more lines, from a poem called Quetzalcoatl looks down on Mexico, are:

Jesus had gone far up the dark slope, when he looked back.
Quetzalcoatl, my brother! he called. Send me my images,
And the images of my mother, and the images of my saints.
Send me them by the swift way, the way of the sparks,
That I may hold them like memories in my arms when I go to sleep

In that I interpret the sparks to be like my own mystic spark experiences.

Also I know alcohol wasn't much used in pre-Columbus South and Central America, so I don't expect that there is evidence that the original human Quetzalcoatl abstained from alcohol 1--9 days before full moon as I do now, but I plan to research if I can whether he abstained from psychotropic drugs during waxing moon and partook of them during waning moon at times (though I do not plan to).

In the book PAGAN & CHRISTIAN CREEDS: THEIR ORIGIN AND MEANING by Edward Carpenter it says:

(2) See Kingsborough's Mexican Antiquities, vol. vi, p. 176, where it is said "an ambassador was sent from heaven on an embassy to a Virgin of Tulan, called Chimalman... announcing that it was the will of the God that she should conceive a son; and having delivered her the message he rose and left the house; and as soon as he had left it she conceived a son, without connection with man, who was called Quetzalcoat, who they say is the god of air." Further, it is explained that Quetzalcoatl sacrificed himself, drawing forth his own blood with thorns; and that the word Quetzalcoatlotopitzin means "our well-beloved son."

So Quetzalcoatl seems to have undergone a naked thorn hill climb like mine of Sept. 5/6, 1991.

South and Central American blue rose tales

I haven't researched this yet, but on Feb. 21, 2005 on the thread "herbal medicine for managing mysticism", in a discussion of the blue lotus and the blue rose, Azure commented "Ever cross check it with the South American tales." So I plan to eventually do that, cross check it with the South American tales, but it is late now and I had better head to bed.

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